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Re: Flag etiquette

Chuck_Kim_Joy
 

Good read and well stated Bill. I fly the ensign as large as I can with pride. I respect other nationalities who do the same. This fellow sounds like someone who wants the cake with no hand in baking it or even being in the bakery. 
Best regards,
Chuck 


On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 5:47 PM Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...> wrote:
I thought Bill Rouse was the Flag Police?  

http://svbebe.blogspot.com/2016/05/false-colors.html

Yep!  He is indeed!  ;)


--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: Flag etiquette

Mark McGovern
 

I thought Bill Rouse was the Flag Police?  

http://svbebe.blogspot.com/2016/05/false-colors.html

Yep!  He is indeed!  ;)


--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: Flag etiquette

Craig Briggs
 

Aha! Time for the Flag Police!
USPower Squadron says from the end of the gaff, if you've got one, otherwise from a pole at the stern, which if it can't be in the middle should preferably be on the starboard side. (Maybe the French prefer the port side?)
The State of Maryland actually has a law that says, for a ketch rig, either at the stern staff (doesn't say middle, port or starboard - whew!) or 2/3's up the leach of the mizzen (or at the gaff, if so rigged). They also require the flag to be a Yacht Ensign (13 stars and an anchor, not a US country flag). Odd law that you can't fly an American Flag on your boat.
Other "authorities" say you can fly it from the backstay, rather than the leach of the mizzen, and Captain Henri said you can fly it from the topping lift.
I"m sure there are 67 other versions of this, so no need to get our knickers in a bunch (well, unless you're in Maryland - jeees, an actual law.)
Cheers, Craig SN68 Sangaris


Flag etiquette

Joerg Esdorn
 

I believe that the “proper” way to fly the national ensign on a ketch is 2/3 up the topping lift or on the top of the mizzen mast.  I have, of course, the stern mounted flag pole Amel provides.   Has anyone rigged the “proper” way on their boat?  I’d be very interested in the mechanics.  For one, I’d like to get the flag where I can’t hear it flogging around in a blow.  

Joerg Esdorn 
A55 Kincsem 


Re: Chesapeake Bay mooring/slip for 2 months?

sherman.gifford
 

Great!  Pls let me know if I can help.  David Briggs is the owner/manager - really good guy.  Sherman 



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-------- Original message --------
From: Scott SV Tengah <sv.tengah@...>
Date: 6/18/19 10:06 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Chesapeake Bay mooring/slip for 2 months?

Thanks, Sherman. I reached out to them and mentioned your name.
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
www.svtengah.com


Re: Chesapeake Bay mooring/slip for 2 months?

Mark Erdos
 

Sorry,

 

Not the Hampton Landing marina, this one: https://www.downtownhampton.com/boating/public-piers

This is a city own marina and is located downtown close to everything.

 

Are you familiar with ActiveCaptain.com – it is a good source for finding marina and being able to look at nautical charts for the approach etc. The site usually has rate info. In addition to reviews.

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark Erdos via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 8:16 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Chesapeake Bay mooring/slip for 2 months?

 

Just remembered we also stayed at Hampton Bay – well protected and has good transient short term rates. Concrete floating docks. Rental car is on site: http://www.hamptonlandingmarina.com/

 

Another option is Fishing Bay Marina. We stayed there for about a month. Not as well protected as Crisfield but also nice. Old wood docks. https://fishingbay.com/

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Scott SV Tengah
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 8:49 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Chesapeake Bay mooring/slip for 2 months?

 

Hi all,

We're in The Bahamas now heading to the Chesapeake area for a bit and plan to leave Tengah, our A54 for 2 months to visit family and travel overland.

I know many of you are either from there or have spent far more time there than me (me = zero). Does anyone have suggestions for a place to leave her for July and August? I would prefer something cheap, obviously. Anywhere in the Chesapeake is fine as we are visiting my family in DC and am not opposed to traveling a bit overland to get there. Most of the places I've emailed either are too shallow (eg - "Do you mind bumping on the mud at low tide?") or can't handle boats of this size.

A mooring or a slip is fine. I won't be living aboard except maybe a few days on the frontend to prepare to leave her and on the backend to fix the things that broke while we are gone. :)


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
www.svtengah.com


Re: Chesapeake Bay mooring/slip for 2 months?

Scott SV Tengah
 

Thanks, Sherman. I reached out to them and mentioned your name.
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
www.svtengah.com


Re: Chesapeake Bay mooring/slip for 2 months?

Scott SV Tengah
 

Mark,

Thanks, for the Fishing Bay and Somers Cove info. It seems the link you sent for Hampton Landing is in NY?

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
www.svtengah.com


Re: Chesapeake Bay mooring/slip for 2 months?

sherman.gifford
 

Hi Scott - 

Rebel Marine in Norfolk is awesome - have been there with Brevis (SM291) for several years - have developed a network of services that know Amels well in case you need anything.  

Best wishes - Sherman (804) 335-4146



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Scott SV Tengah <sv.tengah@...>
Date: 6/18/19 8:48 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Chesapeake Bay mooring/slip for 2 months?

Hi all,

We're in The Bahamas now heading to the Chesapeake area for a bit and plan to leave Tengah, our A54 for 2 months to visit family and travel overland.

I know many of you are either from there or have spent far more time there than me (me = zero). Does anyone have suggestions for a place to leave her for July and August? I would prefer something cheap, obviously. Anywhere in the Chesapeake is fine as we are visiting my family in DC and am not opposed to traveling a bit overland to get there Most of the places I've emailed either are too shallow (eg - "Do you mind bumping on the mud at low tide?") or can't handle boats of this size.

A mooring or a slip is fine. I won't be living aboard except maybe a few days on the frontend to prepare to leave her and on the backend to fix the things that broke while we are gone. :)


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
www.svtengah.com


Re: Chesapeake Bay mooring/slip for 2 months?

Mark Erdos
 

Just remembered we also stayed at Hampton Bay – well protected and has good transient short term rates. Concrete floating docks. Rental car is on site: http://www.hamptonlandingmarina.com/

 

Another option is Fishing Bay Marina. We stayed there for about a month. Not as well protected as Crisfield but also nice. Old wood docks. https://fishingbay.com/

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Scott SV Tengah
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 8:49 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Chesapeake Bay mooring/slip for 2 months?

 

Hi all,

We're in The Bahamas now heading to the Chesapeake area for a bit and plan to leave Tengah, our A54 for 2 months to visit family and travel overland.

I know many of you are either from there or have spent far more time there than me (me = zero). Does anyone have suggestions for a place to leave her for July and August? I would prefer something cheap, obviously. Anywhere in the Chesapeake is fine as we are visiting my family in DC and am not opposed to traveling a bit overland to get there. Most of the places I've emailed either are too shallow (eg - "Do you mind bumping on the mud at low tide?") or can't handle boats of this size.

A mooring or a slip is fine. I won't be living aboard except maybe a few days on the frontend to prepare to leave her and on the backend to fix the things that broke while we are gone. :)


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
www.svtengah.com


Re: Chesapeake Bay mooring/slip for 2 months?

Mark Erdos
 

Scott,

 

There is a state owned marina in Maryland that is perfect choice. It is inexpensive and very well protected on all sides. If I recall the rate was about $800 per month with electric and water included. But it is also off the beaten path. We stayed here for about 3 months and used it as a base to explore the surrounding areas. To rent a car, you need to take a bus to Princess Anne where Enterprise from Salisbury will meet you and take you up to Salisbury (not hard to do). There is a USCG station there and they have new floating docks. Here is a link: https://somerscovemarina.com/index.html

 

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Scott SV Tengah
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 8:49 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Chesapeake Bay mooring/slip for 2 months?

 

Hi all,

We're in The Bahamas now heading to the Chesapeake area for a bit and plan to leave Tengah, our A54 for 2 months to visit family and travel overland.

I know many of you are either from there or have spent far more time there than me (me = zero). Does anyone have suggestions for a place to leave her for July and August? I would prefer something cheap, obviously. Anywhere in the Chesapeake is fine as we are visiting my family in DC and am not opposed to traveling a bit overland to get there. Most of the places I've emailed either are too shallow (eg - "Do you mind bumping on the mud at low tide?") or can't handle boats of this size.

A mooring or a slip is fine. I won't be living aboard except maybe a few days on the frontend to prepare to leave her and on the backend to fix the things that broke while we are gone. :)


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
www.svtengah.com


Chesapeake Bay mooring/slip for 2 months?

Scott SV Tengah
 

Hi all,

We're in The Bahamas now heading to the Chesapeake area for a bit and plan to leave Tengah, our A54 for 2 months to visit family and travel overland.

I know many of you are either from there or have spent far more time there than me (me = zero). Does anyone have suggestions for a place to leave her for July and August? I would prefer something cheap, obviously. Anywhere in the Chesapeake is fine as we are visiting my family in DC and am not opposed to traveling a bit overland to get there. Most of the places I've emailed either are too shallow (eg - "Do you mind bumping on the mud at low tide?") or can't handle boats of this size.

A mooring or a slip is fine. I won't be living aboard except maybe a few days on the frontend to prepare to leave her and on the backend to fix the things that broke while we are gone. :)


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
www.svtengah.com


Re: Sailing /Rowing dinghy

Mark Erdos
 

We had a Porta-Bote. They are great rowing boats and the fact they fold to the size of a paddle board is a plus. They can be folded or unfolded in less than ten minutes. However, these are not good boats on which to place an engine. If the boat gets flooded, it floats just below water-level and will ruin the motor. Once flooded, it is not possible to bail it out unless you can reach the shore or lift the boat. In conditions other than dead calm the boat is not safe (IMO)

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Elaine Leishman via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 7:08 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Sailing /Rowing dinghy

 

Hi Eric, we are also considering purchasing a porta bote.  What model and size do you have and how do you store it while underway? Would it be possible to post a photo showing the dinghy dogs.

Thanks,

Elaine and Michael 

 

On Tue, 18 Jun. 2019 at 4:38 am, Eric Meury

<ericmeury@...> wrote:

We went tjr Portaboat route.   We have a 8hp two stroke and also have inflatable dinghy dogs for it so it is extremely stable and we can snorkle off the sides.   All in all it is the dinghy I hate the least

 

On Mon, Jun 17, 2019, 2:33 PM Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

Bill, I agree with you, we have not needed to use our dinghy to propel us yet,but review how we would do that,in case we need to deploy in an emergency. I also have rescued a sailboat just before it was going up on a reef on the south coast of Grenada with my rib and its 18 hp two stroke. We also dinghy miles to snorkel and get groceries . Our 10.5 aluminum rib only weighs 98 lbs. ,we love it and it can do 25 to 30 mph in flat water ,just measured by my brother next to me on his jet ski the other day. BTW, we store two six gal. fuel tanks tied to the stanchions ,one is normally in the dinghy.

Pat

SM Shenanigans

 

-----Original Message-----
From: CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>
To: main <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Jun 16, 2019 12:16 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Sailing /Rowing dinghy

One downside is that what you have will not propel your boat to safety when necessary. If you have considered this and are OK with it, fine. But, if you haven't considered this, you need to re-think. You are going to places that you will need to self-rescue, and/or move your boat when you have no wind and no motor. It is hard to beat all of the advantages of a traditional RIB with a 10-20hp 2 cycle motor. I know of 2 SMs which were moved away from dangerous situations with a dinghy lashed to the stern quarter.

 

Best,

 

CW Bill Rouse

720 Winnie St

Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

Image removed by sender.

 

 

On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 10:48 AM karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi all,
Last year we built a 11.5 ft sailing/rowing dinghy in hopes that it would work as a tender instead of carrying gasoline and gasoline motor(s).  RIBs are nearly impossible to row, can’t sail them, but they are very stable and carry 4 people easily.

The Dink we built is a Chesapeake Light Craft PassageMaker design that was originally sold as a nesting hull.  It’s 11.5 ft LOA , rows easily, and sails well.  When both parts are bolted together it only weighs ~95 lbs.  Sounds great so far, eh?

Here are the down sides:
*It doesn’t truly nest.  So we’re now storing 11.5ft of hull in two parts.  The bigger aft part sets nicely on the aft deck,  we weren’t comfortable lashing the bow section on the forward deck, so it ended up on the aft deck over the lazarette...so we can’t access the lazarette at sea without moving it.

*It is so lightly built that it bounces around pretty violently when alongside Kristy in any kind of chop.  It is also under built and we had to add strength to the bulkheads where the pieces bolt together because of cracks that developed at the joint between planks and bulkheads.

*The rig is a gunter style Marconi sloop with a small jib.  It takes about 45 min to rig and derig.  It sails well but can’t be reefed as currently set up.  With the gunter spar it would take a major overhaul to rig for reefing and it would be an involved process, not something that would be easy and quick. When rigged and not sailing the boom is in the way of rowing.  

*It will carry 4 adults, but doing that and sailing would be impossible, I think.

We bought a Torqeedo electric outboard which pushes her along adequately, but it isn’t built tough enough for daily use in salt water.

i guess we will have to go back to the RIB and gas outboard.  Hoping someone out there has experience with a great nesting dinghy that’s truly built for use as a cruising tender.  There are a couple others that look better than the CLC PassageMaker but probably have many of the same issues.

Any thoughts greatly appreciated.

Kent & Iris
Kristy
SM 243


Re: supplemental downwind sailing configuration for Super Maramu

Jose Venegas
 

James
No chafe on the sail or the rigging
Make sure the sail edge is protected from UV. When we came back from our 1 year cruise I had to replace the edge material of most of the sail
Lowest relative wind ~80 but requires pulling the tack down
Max relative wind speed was >20+ kn which I don’t recommend and it was not under my watch!
I think the size of the sail is good for me.
Jose
IPANEMA SM2K 278


Re: Sailing /Rowing dinghy

Elaine Leishman
 

Hi Eric, we are also considering purchasing a porta bote.  What model and size do you have and how do you store it while underway? Would it be possible to post a photo showing the dinghy dogs.
Thanks,
Elaine and Michael 

On Tue, 18 Jun. 2019 at 4:38 am, Eric Meury
<ericmeury@...> wrote:
We went tjr Portaboat route.   We have a 8hp two stroke and also have inflatable dinghy dogs for it so it is extremely stable and we can snorkle off the sides.   All in all it is the dinghy I hate the least

On Mon, Jun 17, 2019, 2:33 PM Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Bill, I agree with you, we have not needed to use our dinghy to propel us yet,but review how we would do that,in case we need to deploy in an emergency. I also have rescued a sailboat just before it was going up on a reef on the south coast of Grenada with my rib and its 18 hp two stroke. We also dinghy miles to snorkel and get groceries . Our 10.5 aluminum rib only weighs 98 lbs. ,we love it and it can do 25 to 30 mph in flat water ,just measured by my brother next to me on his jet ski the other day. BTW, we store two six gal. fuel tanks tied to the stanchions ,one is normally in the dinghy.
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>
To: main <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Jun 16, 2019 12:16 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Sailing /Rowing dinghy

One downside is that what you have will not propel your boat to safety when necessary. If you have considered this and are OK with it, fine. But, if you haven't considered this, you need to re-think. You are going to places that you will need to self-rescue, and/or move your boat when you have no wind and no motor. It is hard to beat all of the advantages of a traditional RIB with a 10-20hp 2 cycle motor. I know of 2 SMs which were moved away from dangerous situations with a dinghy lashed to the stern quarter.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 10:48 AM karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi all,
Last year we built a 11.5 ft sailing/rowing dinghy in hopes that it would work as a tender instead of carrying gasoline and gasoline motor(s).  RIBs are nearly impossible to row, can’t sail them, but they are very stable and carry 4 people easily.

The Dink we built is a Chesapeake Light Craft PassageMaker design that was originally sold as a nesting hull.  It’s 11.5 ft LOA , rows easily, and sails well.  When both parts are bolted together it only weighs ~95 lbs.  Sounds great so far, eh?

Here are the down sides:
*It doesn’t truly nest.  So we’re now storing 11.5ft of hull in two parts.  The bigger aft part sets nicely on the aft deck,  we weren’t comfortable lashing the bow section on the forward deck, so it ended up on the aft deck over the lazarette...so we can’t access the lazarette at sea without moving it.

*It is so lightly built that it bounces around pretty violently when alongside Kristy in any kind of chop.  It is also under built and we had to add strength to the bulkheads where the pieces bolt together because of cracks that developed at the joint between planks and bulkheads.

*The rig is a gunter style Marconi sloop with a small jib.  It takes about 45 min to rig and derig.  It sails well but can’t be reefed as currently set up.  With the gunter spar it would take a major overhaul to rig for reefing and it would be an involved process, not something that would be easy and quick. When rigged and not sailing the boom is in the way of rowing.  

*It will carry 4 adults, but doing that and sailing would be impossible, I think.

We bought a Torqeedo electric outboard which pushes her along adequately, but it isn’t built tough enough for daily use in salt water.

i guess we will have to go back to the RIB and gas outboard.  Hoping someone out there has experience with a great nesting dinghy that’s truly built for use as a cruising tender.  There are a couple others that look better than the CLC PassageMaker but probably have many of the same issues.

Any thoughts greatly appreciated.

Kent & Iris
Kristy
SM 243


Re: Gears of bow thruster worn out after 12 times of use, two questions

Alan Leslie
 
Edited

Hi Willem
No issues with the end cap.
Everything Maud sent fitted perfectly EXCEPT the woodruff key!
The slot in the new gear was smaller than the old one, so I filed the key down to make it fit.
Alexandre (NIKIMAT) had the same issue but he had the slot in the gear re-machined to make the key fit.
Otherwise no issues.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Gears of bow thruster worn out after 12 times of use, two questions

Willem Kroes
 

Hi Mark,

Yes, I took a picture of the bigger gear wheel. Please find it attached.

Kind regards,

Willem 

SM#351 KAVANGA


Re: Gears of bow thruster worn out after 12 times of use, two questions

Willem Kroes
 

Hi Alan,

Yes, I know all parts of the kit need to be installed. That was done last October except the end cap.  But dit the end cap fit on the foot of your bow thruster or did you had to drill other holes into the cap? Have a look also to my reaction to Bills comment.

Kind regards,

Willem


Re: Bow thruster seals

Alan Leslie
 

When we first bought the boat we had leaks from the bowthruster in heavy seas.
After haul out and replacing all the seals and adjusting the lifting mechanism as advised by Bill, Danny et al, we have not had any leaks in 6 years now.
We replace all the seals every two years when hauled out for antifoul, C-drive service and bowthruster, and no issues.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Gears of bow thruster worn out after 12 times of use, two questions

Willem Kroes
 

Hi Bill,

After discussions with the mechanic here in Preveza and phone calls with Maud at the Amel factory the following is now clear (to me):

Last year in October I experienced suddenly a screaming noise and no thrust anymore. I went to the Ascar Boatyard in Cartagena Spain and after opening they showed me worn out gears, not having grip at each other. So I ordered the kit from Amel and the mechanic of the Ascar boatyard experienced problems with the installation of the new end cap (part of the kit). The screw holes in the cap not matching the holes in the foot and also a difference in diameter between the old cap (just fitting) and the new cap going in very easy (new cap 84,02 mm and old cap 84,34 mm). So he used the old cap, but did nit notice that also the inside of the new cap was 0,25 mm more towards the bearing, compared to the old cap. He installed without checking the play by pushing and pulling the propeller hub after installation. The mechanic here at the Aktio Marina boatyard told me that there was a very big amount of play causing the premature failing of the gears. So he suggested to use spacers to control the amount of play. After consulting an Amel technician, Maud told me that using the new cap of the kit will result in a correct, very small amount of play between the gear wheels, but using the old cap will result in a premature extreme wear of the gears. She also told me that it is possible that the screw holes in the new cap will not correspond with the wholes in the foot and that also the diameter of the new cap is somewhat smaller than of the old cap. The Amel technician agreed that a solution can be reached with using the old cap with placing a spacer of about 0,25 mm against the bearing to correct the difference in inside depth compared to the new cap.

I still find it a little strange that Amel is supplying a not fitting end cap with the kit they sell to replace the bearings and gears of the foot of the bow thruster. She offered me a 20% discount on the price of the new kit.

Best regards,

Willem Kroes

SM#351 KAVANGA