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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Wheel lock for wind vane [2 Attachments]

smiles bernard
 

Thanks Gerhard thats very helpful
Think I posted them originally but I couldn’t find them on the forum at all via my phone which is all I use now I’m sailing 


Many thanks

Miles
Maramu 162


On 4 Feb 2019, at 16:02, carcodespam@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

That are the pictures I have.

Gerhard
Sharki #60


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] St. Martin

eric freedman
 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] performance differences

 

I have sailed all 3 and trained crews on all 3. Joel Potter jfpottercys"at"att.net has sailed and sold most all Amel models. I am on a 55 today and tomorrow. Call me Friday any time. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970
My calendar: 
https://theamelschool.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html

On Tue, Feb 5, 2019, 11:06 AM grove.ken@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

I intend on buying either a Super Maramu, 54, or 55 in the next 1-2 years. It's easy finding feature differences (length, layouts, etc) or aesthetic differences between the models, but it's been difficult finding information on the relative sailing characteristics of the three hulls. 


Can anyone give me commentary on how differently these three boats sail from your experiences? How much difference in light wind performance? Heavy seas? Any other operational or performance differences between them that you think would be relevant in making a choice? 


I know the right answer is to get each on the water and test them myself, but given difficulties in finding them nearby, that's not realistic, so there is a good chance I'll have to rely on user feedback to pick a model and then focus my actual on-water tests to the hulls I'm actually intending to purchase. I'm assuming the sailing performance between these three hulls is small enough that it's likely to boil down to how new a boat I'm willing to pay for.

Re: performance differences

mfmcgovern@...
 

There are only a handful of people on this forum who've owned two of the three boats you are considering.  I am not aware of anyone that has actually owned all three but there are a few who have likely sailed on all three.  So while you might get some user feedback from a few people with the experience that you are looking for, you are not likely to get a whole lot.

That said, I think you nailed it when you said "I'm assuming the sailing performance between these three hulls is small enough that it's likely to boil down to how new a boat I'm willing to pay for."

Given that a good SM will run you roughly ~$300-350k, a 54 ~$550-600k and a 55 ~$800k++ it would seem to me that the difference in sailing characteristics between the three will be far outweighed by the difference in the price you will pay.  After all, these three are all blue water cruising boats designed to take you comfortably and safely across oceans.

Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] performance differences

 

Ken,

I have sailed on all of them, and trained crew on all of them. Maybe we should talk on the phone. I am on a 55 this week and tied up, but call me on Friday to discuss.

I am located in Galveston Central time zone. 832-380-4970.

Best,

Bill Rouse
Amel School  
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 10:06 AM grove.ken@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I intend on buying either a Super Maramu, 54, or 55 in the next 1-2 years. It's easy finding feature differences (length, layouts, etc) or aesthetic differences between the models, but it's been difficult finding information on the relative sailing characteristics of the three hulls. 


Can anyone give me commentary on how differently these three boats sail from your experiences? How much difference in light wind performance? Heavy seas? Any other operational or performance differences between them that you think would be relevant in making a choice? 


I know the right answer is to get each on the water and test them myself, but given difficulties in finding them nearby, that's not realistic, so there is a good chance I'll have to rely on user feedback to pick a model and then focus my actual on-water tests to the hulls I'm actually intending to purchase. I'm assuming the sailing performance between these three hulls is small enough that it's likely to boil down to how new a boat I'm willing to pay for.

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] St. Martin

 


My recommendation is to:
Shop Budget Marine for an AB aluminum bottom inflatable 2.9 - 3.1 dinghy and a 2 cycle 15 hp outboard

St. Martin is Tax Free by law.

Best,

Bill Rouse
Amel School  
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 9:28 AM webercardio webercardio@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi to the group, 
I am on the way to St.Martin and want to stay there for some days, buying  perhaps Alu RIB and Motor with more power . I have now a Zodiac fastroller 3,10 m and Mercury 6HP .
Any  recommendations where and what to buy. Taxfree ?
Where to stay in which marina ?
Thank you very much Wolfgang SY Elise AMEL 54 #162

For information  Amel 54 With VW TDI I have now the Diagnostic software VCDS and HEX-V2 Adaptor on the boat

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] St. Martin

Paul Osterberg
 

St Martin is a good place especially if you want a two srtook engine. I would not recommend an AB dingy we bought one 2 years ago. And after 6 month it started to part between the tubes and the Hull. Very bad customer service from AB first they did not want to do anything, then after a long mail connection they finally agreed to repair. The repair man said that this was a common problem with AB.
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259 Guadeloupe

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] St. Martin

Mark Erdos
 

Agreed!

 

I second the recommendation for the Highfield 310 Classic http://www.highfieldboats.com/classic-310/  matched with a 15hp 2-stroke it is the perfect dinghy. Would also suggest buying the extra seat at time of purchase.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 12:02 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] St. Martin

 

 

 

The Highfield 10 1/2 foot aluminum rib fits nicely on top of the rear cabin and does not interfere with the mizzen I would recommend getting the one with the bow Storage box


On Feb 5, 2019, at 9:55 AM, webercardio webercardio@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi to the group, 

I am on the way to St.Martin and want to stay there for some days, buying  perhaps Alu RIB and Motor with more power . I have now a Zodiac fastroller 3,10 m and Mercury 6HP .

Any  recommendations where and what to buy. Taxfree ?

Where to stay in which marina ?

Thank you very much Wolfgang SY Elise AMEL 54 #162

 

For information  Amel 54 With VW TDI I have now the Diagnostic software VCDS and HEX-V2 Adaptor on the boat

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] performance differences

Teun BAAS
 

“I'm assuming the sailing performance between these three hulls is small enough that it's likely to boil down to how new a boat I'm willing to pay for”

In that case there used to be a privately owned A54 in the USVI for charter (with the owner [dental surgeon] on board).

I had purchased an A54 on the other side of the world with 5 conditions. Since I had never seen/been on board, so not sailed, an A54 one of the conditions was that I would charter an A54 in the USVI and let my seller know if I liked the way she sailed.

 

So I chartered the USVI A54 for 3 weeks in November 2017; specifically asked the owner/skipper not to do any maintenance before my arrival (he had quite some maintenance to perform due to the 2 hurricanes in 2017) as I wanted to be there, learn & do myself. This was definitely not one of his usual cruises/charters but (although very expensive) very, very beneficial for me. BTW – within days I knew I wanted an A54; didn’t need the full 3 weeks to figure that out.

 

Best Regards Teun

Feb 05, 2019   10:26:15

 

 

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 10:03 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] performance differences

 

 

I intend on buying either a Super Maramu, 54, or 55 in the next 1-2 years. It's easy finding feature differences (length, layouts, etc) or aesthetic differences between the models, but it's been difficult finding information on the relative sailing characteristics of the three hulls. 

 

Can anyone give me commentary on how differently these three boats sail from your experiences? How much difference in light wind performance? Heavy seas? Any other operational or performance differences between them that you think would be relevant in making a choice? 

 

I know the right answer is to get each on the water and test them myself, but given difficulties in finding them nearby, that's not realistic, so there is a good chance I'll have to rely on user feedback to pick a model and then focus my actual on-water tests to the hulls I'm actually intending to purchase. I'm assuming the sailing performance between these three hulls is small enough that it's likely to boil down to how new a boat I'm willing to pay for.

performance differences

Ken Grove
 

I intend on buying either a Super Maramu, 54, or 55 in the next 1-2 years. It's easy finding feature differences (length, layouts, etc) or aesthetic differences between the models, but it's been difficult finding information on the relative sailing characteristics of the three hulls. 


Can anyone give me commentary on how differently these three boats sail from your experiences? How much difference in light wind performance? Heavy seas? Any other operational or performance differences between them that you think would be relevant in making a choice? 


I know the right answer is to get each on the water and test them myself, but given difficulties in finding them nearby, that's not realistic, so there is a good chance I'll have to rely on user feedback to pick a model and then focus my actual on-water tests to the hulls I'm actually intending to purchase. I'm assuming the sailing performance between these three hulls is small enough that it's likely to boil down to how new a boat I'm willing to pay for.

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] St. Martin

Courtney Gorman
 


The Highfield 10 1/2 foot aluminum rib fits nicely on top of the rear cabin and does not interfere with the mizzen I would recommend getting the one with the bow Storage box


On Feb 5, 2019, at 9:55 AM, webercardio webercardio@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi to the group, 
I am on the way to St.Martin and want to stay there for some days, buying  perhaps Alu RIB and Motor with more power . I have now a Zodiac fastroller 3,10 m and Mercury 6HP .
Any  recommendations where and what to buy. Taxfree ?
Where to stay in which marina ?
Thank you very much Wolfgang SY Elise AMEL 54 #162

For information  Amel 54 With VW TDI I have now the Diagnostic software VCDS and HEX-V2 Adaptor on the boat

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] St. Martin

Teun BAAS
 

OCTENDER – but is only build to order.

 

Best Regards Teun

AMELIT A54 # 128

Feb 05, 2019   09:37:18

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 8:55 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] St. Martin

 

 

Hi to the group, 

I am on the way to St.Martin and want to stay there for some days, buying  perhaps Alu RIB and Motor with more power . I have now a Zodiac fastroller 3,10 m and Mercury 6HP .

Any  recommendations where and what to buy. Taxfree ?

Where to stay in which marina ?

Thank you very much Wolfgang SY Elise AMEL 54 #162

 

For information  Amel 54 With VW TDI I have now the Diagnostic software VCDS and HEX-V2 Adaptor on the boat

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] St. Martin

Wolfgang Weber
 

Hi to the group, 
I am on the way to St.Martin and want to stay there for some days, buying  perhaps Alu RIB and Motor with more power . I have now a Zodiac fastroller 3,10 m and Mercury 6HP .
Any  recommendations where and what to buy. Taxfree ?
Where to stay in which marina ?
Thank you very much Wolfgang SY Elise AMEL 54 #162

For information  Amel 54 With VW TDI I have now the Diagnostic software VCDS and HEX-V2 Adaptor on the boat

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Any Amel owners who have sailed to Chile from Panama?

John Clark
 

Don't know about Chile but we jutst passed you leaving the Turks and Caicos.  We were off in the distance to your east.  Spotted your boat and thought she was an Amel...my eye is still good I see.

Regards,  John
SV Annie SM 37
Transiting the Bahamas.

On Sun, Jan 27, 2019, 2:25 PM jamescromie@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

Hello everyone - 

I'm interested to know if there are any Amel owners who have sailed to Southern Chile from Panama along the Pacific coast of South America.  If so, I'd love to hear about your experience.   


Many thanks!

-James

Soteria

#347

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Genoa sheet cars

Alan Leslie
 

Thanks Bill
Excellent !
Alan
Elyse SM437

Re: Wheel lock for wind vane

carcodespam@...
 

That are the pictures I have.

Gerhard
Sharki #60


Re: Wheel lock for wind vane

sbmesasailor
 

Hi Miles,

The helm lock on my 1982 Maramu is not a complicated affair.  There is a knurled, round handle imbedded in a threaded rod that threads into a slot at the bottom of the helm hub.  The threaded rod pushes against a clutch-like pad that arrests the helm shaft.  If you have all the parts it's pretty easy to re-install.

Sorry, don't have pictures.

Dennis Johns
Libertad
Maramu 121

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Genoa sheet cars

greatketch@...
 

Alan,

The Genoa cars on our SM were made by Antel.

I assume when you talk about “parts missing underneath”, you are referring to the plastic slide bearings that separate the metal parts of the car from the track.

We source them this past summer from Annapolis Performance Sailing, an Antel dealer. It took a lot of back and forth between Antel USA and Italy before they were sure of the part number, but these were still in stock. They are not, however in the standard catalog.

We received part number ATLG3040A with was a pair of “Antel Car Track Slider Inserts”. Cost less than $20 for a pair. The unusual dimension for these is the length. The cars made for Amel are about 1/3 longer than the standard models. The other dimensions are standard.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Black Point Settlement, Exumas, Bahamas

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Santorin, before purchase questions

Beaute Olivier
 

Hello Simon,

the first Santorins were equipped with aluminum casing C-drives, the Super Maramus as well.
This aluminum version showed some failures and AMEL changed it for cast iron casings.
Some recalls were made, mainly on Super Maramus as they had higher powered engines than Santorins, which made the aluminum casing a bit critical.. Some aluminum casing C-drives have behaved well so far, probably the case of the Santorin you visited. 
You must indeed have this C-drive inspected for any oil leak. A crack in the GRP enveloppe of the lower C-drive may not be too bad as long as no oil is coming out. These cracks should be sanded down the the sound material and rebuilt.

Good luck in your purchase.

Olivier



On Monday, February 4, 2019, 1:35:34 AM GMT+1, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:


 

Simon,

 

Depending on your location (you don’t specify) there are a couple of people who could survey the boat who have unprecedented knowledge of all things Amel. This is my advice to you.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 7:11 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Santorin, before purchase questions

 

 

Hello

I have been looking at an Amel Santorin, hull no 11, built 1990. When visiting the boat a few thing came up that I feel need to be investigated further. Perhaps I can get some help here and hear what your thoughts and opinion are about the pictures., https://www.dropbox.com/sh/egdes22h26j0p37/AABPpd0sTDCdkI3RVInHc6XTa?dl=0

 

1. When looking at the upper angle gear for the C-drive (in the engine room) I noticed that it looks different from other Santorin boats that I have looked at. This one is built a bit earlier than the other ones I have looked at so perhaps Amel did things a bit different on the early Santorins. Also the under water part of the C-drive looks like it's different. The oil plug is located on port side instead of the aft part just below the propeller. Does anyone know more about these differences and if this earlier construction is just as good as the later one?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tiib8y6yoj6rtwy/DSC08718.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3apy3idmg2fqgtn/IMG_2725.JPG?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/61d2ai7j6s3o5zg/IMG_2730.JPG?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/hko9rxsufb10mbs/LRG_DSC08755.JPG?dl=0

 

2. When looking at the aft part of the C-drive, just above and below where the propeller shaft enters the gear there is a crack, it's clearly visible in the pictures. Is this reason to be alarmed or would a normal repair of the glass fibre be enough as a repair? Any thoughts regarding this? There was no oil leaking from this crack but I assume there must be some metall case inside the glass fibre that contains the oil and the gears.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xijskvqqlhc28t0/IMG_0981.JPG?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/yy8tvl570sjsxrg/IMG_0982.JPG?dl=0

 

3. One of the hinges for the rudder is missing a screw. I can see that there is like a nylon bushing inside and that the screw is supposed to thread into this bushing. This I have not seen on the other Santorin I looked at. I can also feel that there is som play in the rudder when moving it sideways. Is this to consider normal?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/2sqwpiol2filuhe/LRG_DSC08762.JPG?dl=0



4. Forward, where the anchor rests there is a crack running across the deck and also down into the drain "track" on the sides. I have seen this on some other photos online so it seems like other boats also have this problem. What is causing this? Has the anchor been pulled up too hard or is there some weakness in the forward section? Does anyone know more about this and how it's best repaired?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zohnqyjn1jp6w5o/LRG_DSC08675.JPG?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/iwk29fk7torcp1f/IMG_2690.JPG?dl=0

 

Best regards

Simon

Re: Santorin, before purchase questions

Ian Park
 

Hi Simon,
It looks like a few things changed from the earliest Santorins..
The whole C drive is different - inside and out. I may well be wrong, but it seems that they may have put the SM C drive into the Santorin; mine looks just like the SM. I don't know if the later Maramus had this type of C drive?
Again the bow roller has been modified on later models. The main chain channel seems to have been moved more to starboard on my boat, the forestay chain plate now being right on the centre line, and an extra bow roller attached to port of the forestay and bolted on to the main bow roller. The fibre glass bow profile is now no longer off-set. The cracks will be stress cracks from the boat sheering at anchor or on a mooring caused by the pressure on the S/S side plates of the bow roller. I'm pretty sure this is just cosmetic (I'm not a surveyor!).
Again, the rudder hinges look different.

I'd be interested in the evolution of the Santorin looking at your photos. The Maramu stopped production when the Super Maramu arrived, but the Santorin started production a few years after the SM. Although the hull/deck/interior design is so similar to the SM perhaps some of the mechanical parts were initially taken from the similar sized Maramu? Then at some early stage it was found that SM parts could be made to fit the Santorin, streamlining production costs??....

Bottom line though, as Mark said, don't pursue further without a survey from a someone who really knows Amels - an older boat is always going to need available spare parts.

Good luck

Ian
Ocean Hobo - SM96