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Re: start stop engine
Sebti Lamya
Hi to All,
These are the pictures of the two relays that seem causing the problem. Noreddine and Lamya Sebti SV Alma Libre, SM 370, Greece, Kalamata
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Re: start stop engine
Sebti Lamya
Hi to All,
My boat is a SM , hull number 370 from 2002. the engine is a Yanmar 4JH3-HTE. I am actually in Greece, Kalamata Marina. Regards. Noreddine Sebti Name of boat : Alma Libre
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Re: start stop engine
Germain Jean-Pierre
Hello Lamya,
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Welcome to this forum; you should receive a reply soon.... but how can anyone give you good advice with the information you shared? No boat model, engine... This site is private and new members are vested by Moderators before inclusion. Members normally add name, type of Amel (Eros, Mango etc) and hull number. Most people will include their location. Welcome! Jean-Pierre Germain, SY Eleuthera, SM 007, Fiji
On 22 Aug 2019, at 20:32, Sebti Lamya <noreddine.sebti@...> wrote:
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Re: Main sail Outhaul motor/gearbox failed A54
Beaute Olivier
Hello Stefan, the 100A fuse is a back-up when the power limiting Printed Circuit Board (what you call the Protector) is out of order. In order to connect this fuse, you need to remove both wires from the PCB (just pulling down) and connect them to the 100A fuse. There seems to be a mechanic problem in the boom gear-box. And therefore, the PCB allows the motor to run for a few seconds, then cuts off power because of too high amperage (that's what it's designed for). If you connect the back-up fuse, you may blow it within some seconds too because the mechanic resistance is too high, making the amperage rise above 100 A (you may also burn the wires too!!). It seems that you need to take down the gear-box and open it to check the worm gear and the bronze "teeth wheel". If you can't find a good skilled mechanic where you are, you may think of just replacing the gear-box (I don't like when you say the shaft went out of the gear-box...). Good luck and remember to never hit the track end stopper with the traveller. This definitely kills the gear-box after several knocks. Olivier
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start stop engine
Sebti Lamya
I am unable to stop the engine with the switch button in the cockpit
I have to use the manual stop button (red one ) inside the engine. Despite having changed the relay (solenoid ??) and the switch button on the helm, no technician have been able to find the solution. It seems that the small relay that control the big relay that connects the minus is taking two contradictory messages : to start and to stop. Do you have any idea or recommendation. Thanks in advance.
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Black water comes from Onan 11 exhaust hose
Jose Alegria
Dear AMEL Group / Owners
I appreciate your ideas about the reason I have black water comes from my onan 11 raw water exhaust hose And from exhaust fumes too ( less quantity ) The Onan was 1200 hours and was serviced at 100 hours Thanks in advance )
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Re: Forward Looking Sonar
Stefano Biffi
Normally quiet stable, never gave me wrong. I learned to use pause when I don’t need, long navigation no obstacles, and start the reading few minutes before the cost line. If I must find a complaint the auto scale feature not ever following approaching the high terrain. Most of the time I have to reduce manually.
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Stefano N’EVEREST Super Maramu 185 Italy
Il giorno 21 ago 2019, alle ore 23:56, Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io <sailw32@...> ha scritto:
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Wintering location Adriatic
Mohammad Shirloo
Hello everyone;
We are looking for recommendations for a safe berth in the Adriatic to leave Kokomo for this winter season. We do not stay on board for the winter. Any and all recommendations will be appreciated. Respectfully; Mohammad & Aty B&B Kokomo AMEL 54 #099
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Re: Amel Mango Emergency Tiller Storage Location
Charles Bell
Perfect!
A million thank you's Dan!
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Re: Main sail Outhaul motor/gearbox failed A54
Scott SV Tengah
I agree, it sounds like the outhaul gearbox. I had the same failure a year ago and the symptoms were very similar to yours.
Mine had seawater mixed in with a bit of grease - I found this out when I tried to re-grease it, but it was too late, the gearbox was dead. Contact Maud at Amel and she'll sort you out. They didn't make my gearbox anymore, but with a lot of pictures, Maud figured out how to send me a current model that would work. PS - When I first got it, I was certain it was the wrong gearbox. A bit more playing around and I figured out that the spacer that was used for the old gearbox was not used with the new one. For better or worse, the new gearbox is sealed with gear oil. Good luck. -- Scott 2007 A54 #69 SV Tengah http://www.svtengah.com
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Re: Forward Looking Sonar
Peter de Groot
La Querida (SM 207) got the Garmin panoptix 3 months ago
So far so good, but we’re not cruising until fall of 2020, so it’s only seen short trips. A crew member actually watched the anchor go down on our last overnight excursion My biggest concern now is the next time we haul out, the transducer is very vulnerable to the lift sling Has anyone got a better (drier) technique to exchange the transducer with the 40mm plug? Peter de Groot Moss Landing, California
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Re: Amel Mango Emergency Tiller Storage Location
Dan
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Re: Amel Mango Emergency Tiller Storage Location
Charles Bell
Ok, I went and did some looking.
In Mango #29, above the pilot berth, there is no shelf. So I will follow Dan's advice and see if they will fit in the forward port berth, either under the berth or on the self above the berth. Thank you for the help everyone! I will report back after I take a look at the forward port berth. Charles
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Re: Forward Looking Sonar
Patrick McAneny
Jose, I agree with Ken as well,that is why I spent probably over $1000. ,I can't remember the exact amount. But for me it has been a total waste of money and would not advise anyone to buy the B&G unit ,unless I find a fix ,if you do please report back. We took video of the erratic images ,maybe we will send it to B&G .
Good Luck,
Pat
SM Shenanigans
Sassafras River, Md.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jose Venegas via Groups.Io <josegvenegas@...> To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> Sent: Wed, Aug 21, 2019 7:15 pm Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Forward Looking Sonar Patrick,
I installed a B&G sonar and I have similar erratic signals. I think we need to find out why from B&G. At anchor, it seems to work fine except that it can be confused by reflections from the chain. While on the way, it can give you a good signal for a while and the start with total garbage. Now that I know you have the same problem, I will go back and try to work the kinks with B&G. I agree with Ken that a forward scanner should be very useful in remote places. Jose Ipanema SM278 Boston until October, then is the world.
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Re: Main sail Outhaul motor/gearbox failed A54
HI Stefan,
Wow! This sounds like a good mystery! I have inserted my thoughts in your post below in Red Type. On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 03:55 PM, Stefan Schaufert wrote: Dear AMEL Group/ Owners, Today I checked the entire system:
- by switching there is a clicking, thus the relays + switches are working Yes, that should be true. However, the low current electromagnet in the relay (contactor) could be OK and give you a "click" but the high voltage contacts could be bad and no current would go to the motor. I think that is unlikely, so let's keep going.
- I changed/swapped the cables from the mast furler with the boom outhaul (on the breakers, the current protectors and the relays): mast furler is working, boom not. So the problem must be in the boom, not the mast, is what I think this means.
- I checked the gear box: the shaft (I guess with the worm drive - I can not open the box.) was about 1cm out of the gear box (the cover was kicked out - see picture with marking) + fully blocked. OMG!! that's horrible - sounds like a REALLY bad gear box! But let's keep going.
Was/Is the gear box broken or is it a safety thing? Gear box - there is no safety thing, definitely.
I pushed the shaft slowly (with a small hammer and a protector) back + put the cover on, then the shaft was turning again well and easy. Cool!
- I checked the motor: brushes are still very well (very good :-), power comes, the motor turns (when not connected with the gear box AND when the cables on the current-protectors (What is the right name?) (I think you mean the "relays" or also called "contactors" ) - see picture - are swapped). The motor turns not, when the current protectors are default connected (boom to boom, mast to mast). This is the boom motor, not the mast motor (which is OK) - correct?
- OK. I connected the motor (the boom outhaul motor, right?) again with the gearbox (current protectors still swapped). Motor turns short and stops, then trying to turn but does not make it. This really sounds like it's the gear-box (reductore in Italian, or reducing gear).
- Swapped the cables for the current-protectors back (boom to boom, mast to mast). Mast is working, boom not (only the relay is clicking). Is it "trying" to turn, but stopping immediately? That is what it seems to me from reading your post.
But why is the mast furler working with the boom-current-protector and not the boom itself? It seems that is because the mast motor and gear are OK but the boom gearbox is preventing the boom motor from turning? The boom motor is trying to turn with electricity from either the boom relay or the mast relay. It can't turn when it is connected to the boom reduction gear because that gear is bad. That is what it seems to me at this point - I may be wrong.
And, btw: there are 2 spare breakers 100A, but no slot for it??? I don't know about that - maybe they are just spares.
Now I do not know:
Is it only the current-protector I would guess that is not the problem
or
the gear box too That seems like the problem to me.
or
the motor (which is looking very well)? Because both motors run fine without their gearboxes attached, they both seem OK. Unless I did not understand something.
Or all of it?
I am looking forward for your help and really appreciate it.
Best regards
Stefan A54 N°119 Lady Charlyette, currently Leixoes/Porto
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Re: Forward Looking Sonar
Jose Venegas
Patrick,
I installed a B&G sonar and I have similar erratic signals. I think we need to find out why from B&G. At anchor, it seems to work fine except that it can be confused by reflections from the chain. While on the way, it can give you a good signal for a while and the start with total garbage. Now that I know you have the same problem, I will go back and try to work the kinks with B&G. I agree with Ken that a forward scanner should be very useful in remote places. Jose Ipanema SM278 Boston until October, then is the world.
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Re: Forward Looking Sonar
Our Interphase unit died....well the transducer did, and we couldn't get one so I installed a B&G Vulcan 7 with ForwardScan in its place.
The ForwardScan is very susceptible to boat movement, I think this is what leads to the "false images" . It seems to work well in calm water and at low speed. If there is any up and down movement of the boat, the image will not be useful as the device can't compensate for that. Cheers Alan Elyse SM437
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Re: Forward Looking Sonar
Patrick McAneny
Stefano , That is the unit I have. Do you not get a lot of false signals ,both vertical and horizontal ? If not then there must be something wrong with my unit.
Thanks,
Pat
SM#123
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From: Stefano Biffi <cptbiffi@...> To: main <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io> Sent: Wed, Aug 21, 2019 10:50 am Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Forward Looking Sonar I have ZEUS 2 With foward looking, works nice, helpful in low water. During the docking I can estimate how deep is below and how far is the other lip of the Harbour. Never used between submerged rocks, till now.
Stefano
N’EVEREST Super Maramu 185
Italy
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Main sail Outhaul motor/gearbox failed A54
Stefan Schaufert
Dear AMEL Group/ Owners,
our main sail outhaul (gearbox) stopped 2 days ago just in the moment the main was completely furled in.
First we thought it is a kind of end-switch that stoped it and does not release.
But it never worked again.
Today I checked the entire system:
- by switching there is a clicking, thus the relays + switches are working
- I changed/swapped the cables from the mast furler with the boom outhaul (on the breakers, the current protectors and the relays): mast furler is working, boom not.
- I checked the gear box: the shaft (I guess with the worm drive - I can not open the box.) was about 1cm out of the gear box (the cover was kicked out - see picture with marking) + fully blocked.
Was/Is the gear box broken or is it a safety thing?
I pushed the shaft slowly (with a small hammer and a protector) back + put the cover on, then the shaft was turning again well and easy.
- I checked the motor: brushes are still very well, power comes, the motor turns (when not connected with the gear box AND when the cables on the current-protectors (What is the right name?) - see picture - are swapped). The motor turns not, when the current protectors are default connected (boom to boom, mast to mast).
- OK. I connected the motor again with the gearbox (current protectors still swapped). Motor turns short and stops, then trying to turn but does not make it.
- Swapped the cables for the current-protectors back (boom to boom, mast to mast). Mast is working, boom not (only the relay is clicking).
But why is the mast furler working with the boom-current-protector and not the boom itself?
And, btw: there are 2 spare breakers 100A, but no slot for it???
Now I do not know:
Is it only the current-protector
or
the gear box too
or
the motor (which is looking very well)?
Or all of it?
I am looking forward for your help and really appreciate it.
Best regards
Stefan A54 N°119 Lady Charlyette, currently Leixoes/Porto
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Re: Amel Mango Emergency Tiller Storage Location
Arlo
Excellent question...mine is in the port cockpit locker....wonder if it would fit under the aft bunk....mmm
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