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Re: BT SEAL INSTRUCTIONS

 

Ken,

That is not what I said to you in the email I sent you. I said, 
"...I will always work to document something new for my clients. That is what I do for them. Additionally, I too failed to install these seals on a client's SM based on what Jose originally published.

The instructions document I emailed you yesterday was finalized only hours before you received it from me.

In documenting this install procedure, I went to Jose who was the designer of the seals, and to Steve, who was my first client to successfully install them. After some back and forth from each of these, we finalized the document I shared with you indicating that you could share it. I could have shared it with everyone in the group, but I didn't do that because you took the lead on this and I didn't want to minimize your effort or step on your effort.

Regarding [your term Bill Rouse's] "secrets," I routinely share the things in my Amel Book and on my website when I recognize a need. Obviously, I normally do not normally share all 400 pages of my Amel Book, but yesterday I gave 30 days free access to the entire book and the 3 gigs of Amel Book Supplements to all who attended the zoom meeting...

Please let me know if you have any other questions, and thanks for all you do for other Amel owners."

For all that want a copy of what I did with Jose and Steve, here is the copy I sent to Ken.


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 12:45 PM Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...> wrote:
I am finished with this topic.  Bill has some instructions that he may, or may not, share with the rest of the group.  After Bill and I exchanged a few emails, I have decided that it's not my place to get involved in Jose's and Bill's project.   I will do the best I can to prepare a set of instructions to those that purchased these seals through me.

All the best, 

Ken Powers
Aquarius
SM2K#262


Re: Yanmar 100 HP (4JH3-HTE) Exhaust Hose Replacement

 

My opinion:
The engine exhaust hose should be Shieldsflex II 3” wet exhaust hose. http://www.seastarsolutions.com/products/hose/engine-hose/series250/
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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 12:14 PM Paul Stascavage via groups.io <pstas2003=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Good day all,

I have searched the forum but have not found what I am looking for.

I want to replace the Yanmar exhaust hose but there are so many options with regard to manufacturers and materials that I find it difficult for me to select an appropriate replacement product.

I was hoping that those who have done this before or have the knowledge I don’t posses could make some recommendations regarding a suitable replacement.

The large section of hose is labeled “Thor Special Echappement Exhaust Hose” and is solid black.  This hose is installed from the exit side of the Vetus Waterlock (muffler) to the exhaust port on the hull.  The small section of hose from the exhaust elbow to the intake side of the Muffler is labeled “www.ivgspa.it ETNA Marine Gas Hose Lloyds No 99/00169 (E2).

I am not sure why the two section are different or if they are both original.  I believe the Thor is original as the Onan Exhaust Hose is the same.  The smaller section of hose does need to make a sharp bend which could explain why it is different or it may be subjected to higher heat as it is closer to the engine in the stream, or it could have been replaced by the PO. Either way, the smaller section has not held up as well.

I would like to do this job with both the most suitable and the highest quality product available to me.  I’d rather spend a few extra dollars now and get the longest life out of the project.   

I am writing to Thor to see if they can identify the existing product.  The smaller section of hose looks to be available from IVG but I am not sure I want to use that one again based on it’s current condition.

Any and all suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you in advance for your replies.

All the best,

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Currently Exploring City Island, NY

www.RitaKathryn.com


Re: BT SEAL INSTRUCTIONS

Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...>
 

I am finished with this topic.  Bill has some instructions that he may, or may not, share with the rest of the group.  After Bill and I exchanged a few emails, I have decided that it's not my place to get involved in Jose's and Bill's project.   I will do the best I can to prepare a set of instructions to those that purchased these seals through me.

All the best, 

Ken Powers
Aquarius
SM2K#262


Re: Play in Brunson H6 prop blade

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Thanks Nicolas;

We have pulled and serviced ours a couple of years ago, and did not have any issues. Hoping for the same this time, as we will be doing this in water.

Respectfully;


Mohammad Shirloo
+1-323-633-2222 Cell
+1-424-644-0908 Fax


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Nicolas Klene via groups.io <laixoi@...>
Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 6:32:16 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Play in Brunson H6 prop blade
 
Hello Mohammad 
I have just serviced my brunton H6 on the hard ,after it had given 16 years of good service ,I don’t know if the previous owner did it,I have no records. I just want to make you aware that a lot of heat was needed to remove the prop from its conical shaft , nothing else was moving it , not even the prop puller...
good luck
Nicolas
--
Nicolas Klene
DarNico
SM2K # 471
In Marseille


Re: Play in Brunson H6 prop blade

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Thanks Gary. I watched all 7 a few hours ago, as a refresher.

Respectfully;


Mohammad Shirloo
+1-323-633-2222 Cell
+1-424-644-0908 Fax


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Gary Wells via groups.io <gary@...>
Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 6:56:11 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Play in Brunson H6 prop blade
 
There is a series of YouTube videos on servicing the H6. They are a bit dated, but they were put out by Brunton.
Here's the episode about the bearings.
.
https://youtu.be/zzMcjJFT8E0
.
Cheers!
Gary W.
Land-Lubber in Arizona,
with a heart for SM 209 :) 


Yanmar 100 HP (4JH3-HTE) Exhaust Hose Replacement

Paul Stascavage
 

Good day all,

I have searched the forum but have not found what I am looking for.

I want to replace the Yanmar exhaust hose but there are so many options with regard to manufacturers and materials that I find it difficult for me to select an appropriate replacement product.

I was hoping that those who have done this before or have the knowledge I don’t posses could make some recommendations regarding a suitable replacement.

The large section of hose is labeled “Thor Special Echappement Exhaust Hose” and is solid black.  This hose is installed from the exit side of the Vetus Waterlock (muffler) to the exhaust port on the hull.  The small section of hose from the exhaust elbow to the intake side of the Muffler is labeled “www.ivgspa.it ETNA Marine Gas Hose Lloyds No 99/00169 (E2).

I am not sure why the two section are different or if they are both original.  I believe the Thor is original as the Onan Exhaust Hose is the same.  The smaller section of hose does need to make a sharp bend which could explain why it is different or it may be subjected to higher heat as it is closer to the engine in the stream, or it could have been replaced by the PO. Either way, the smaller section has not held up as well.

I would like to do this job with both the most suitable and the highest quality product available to me.  I’d rather spend a few extra dollars now and get the longest life out of the project.   

I am writing to Thor to see if they can identify the existing product.  The smaller section of hose looks to be available from IVG but I am not sure I want to use that one again based on it’s current condition.

Any and all suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you in advance for your replies.

All the best,

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Currently Exploring City Island, NY

www.RitaKathryn.com


Re: Play in Brunson H6 prop blade

Gary Wells
 

There is a series of YouTube videos on servicing the H6. They are a bit dated, but they were put out by Brunton.
Here's the episode about the bearings.
.
https://youtu.be/zzMcjJFT8E0
.
Cheers!
Gary W.
Land-Lubber in Arizona,
with a heart for SM 209 :) 


Re: Play in Brunson H6 prop blade

Nicolas Klene
 

Hello Mohammad 
I have just serviced my brunton H6 on the hard ,after it had given 16 years of good service ,I don’t know if the previous owner did it,I have no records. I just want to make you aware that a lot of heat was needed to remove the prop from its conical shaft , nothing else was moving it , not even the prop puller...
good luck
Nicolas
--
Nicolas Klene
DarNico
SM2K # 471
In Marseille


Re: Cook top dimensions

Peter Tiner
 

Hi

May i put some questions to you who have already installed an inductive cooker?
Re electric installation, did you get a connected load of 4.5KW or are you planning to not use full power ie several plates/oven at the same time? And one more question: did you take power from the 240VAC panel or from somewhere else?

Best regards

\Peter Tinér @ sy Maiken A54 #52


Re: Haul out Croatia

Hans Schaidinger
 

I did the same work last year in Frapa Marina, Rogoznica, all was very well done. You may check, if they have the capacity to perform the work in the next days.

 

Happy sailing too,

Hans

SM2K #411 ALADEMAR

 

Von: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Mohammad Shirloo
Gesendet: Montag, 7. Juni 2021 07:32
An: Amel group new .iso <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Betreff: [AmelYachtOwners] Haul out Croatia

 

We may need to haul out due to an issue with our Brunton prop. While hailed we will do the bottom paint and C-drive seal and oil change too. Would appreciate recommendations for good haul out locations. We are currently about 15NM north of Dubrovnik.

 

Happy sailing;;

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #099

 

 

 


Members removed because their email no longer is working

 

I had to remove about 50 members this morning because their email was bouncing or not working.

If you received this email, obviously you are NOT removed.

FYI, they were all Yahoo email addresses except one.
--
 
Best,
 
CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


Re: Play in Brunson H6 prop blade

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Thanks for the responses. I talked to Bruntons and they agree that it is either the adjustment nut or the bearings may have seated since the rebuild. We are planning on removing the prop in water, make the needed corrections on board (We have the complete rebuild kit on biard) and have the prop reinstalled in water. We have scheduled a diver recommended by a friend that has a boat in the marina nearby. Are there any issues that anyone knows that removing the propeller in water may create, other than the obvious losing of parts or prop?

We do have the original fixed prop on board, does anyone know if there are any adjustments to the drive system needed or can the original fixed prop be installed without any modification or issues?

Respectfully;


Mohammad Shirloo
+1-323-633-2222 Cell
+1-424-644-0908 Fax


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Denis Elborn via groups.io <delborn@...>
Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 1:18:49 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Play in Brunson H6 prop blade
 
Hi Mohammad,

When you replace the bearings there is adjustment to get the correct play which is locked by a locking ring, this may have come loose, assuming you don’t have a bearing problem.

I think it will be an ‘out of the water’ repair.

Regards, Denis
Fortune A54 #159
St. Raphael 


On 7 Jun 2021, at 9:01 am, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

It sounds to me like something was done wrong, or something is wrong. I have seen the bearings. That is way too much play.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 4:52 PM Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
Hi everyone;

While diving to clean the hull and the prop, I noticed that one of the blades rocks back and forth about 1/8” to 1/4”. The other two are tight. 

The blades had new bearings installed in 2018  with about 1800 hours on the engine. This is about the time Brunton recommends an overhaul. The work was done at Manoel”s in Malta by workers that seemed competent.

Has anyone run into this ? Any information on repairs ot solutions would be appreciated.



Respectfully;


Mohammad Shirloo
+1-323-633-2222 Cell
+1-424-644-0908 Fax




Re: Haul out Croatia

James Watkins
 

There is a great service.operation in Pula. Commodore and it is VAT free if.you are not EU flagged.

I had quite a bit of.work done with them and it was all well done.

Best Regards 
Jim Watkins
Act II. Maramu hull 186


On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 8:04 AM, Slavko Despotovic
<slavko@...> wrote:
Good morning,

Dubrovnik marina is part of ACI marinas in Croatia. They are, in Dubrovnik, very busy and one of the most expensive marinas in Croatia. I have done haul out in Marina Portoroz, Slovenia but this would be far for you I assume. Other option is Sukosan near Zadar (100 miles from your current location), They are all very busy and some advance planning is needed. Depends how urgent  is haul out, as well if you will do the work, or you will hire local workers. 
--
Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Portoroz


Re: Haul out Croatia

Slavko Despotovic
 

Good morning,

Dubrovnik marina is part of ACI marinas in Croatia. They are, in Dubrovnik, very busy and one of the most expensive marinas in Croatia. I have done haul out in Marina Portoroz, Slovenia but this would be far for you I assume. Other option is Sukosan near Zadar (100 miles from your current location), They are all very busy and some advance planning is needed. Depends how urgent  is haul out, as well if you will do the work, or you will hire local workers. 
--
Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Portoroz


Re: Haul out Croatia

Denis Elborn
 

Dubrovnik marina was pretty good sheltered and quiet.

Denis and Julie
Fortune
A54 159

On 7 Jun 2021, at 3:32 pm, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

We may need to haul out due to an issue with our Brunton prop. While hailed we will do the bottom paint and C-drive seal and oil change too. Would appreciate recommendations for good haul out locations. We are currently about 15NM north of Dubrovnik.

Happy sailing;;
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099





Haul out Croatia

Mohammad Shirloo
 

We may need to haul out due to an issue with our Brunton prop. While hailed we will do the bottom paint and C-drive seal and oil change too. Would appreciate recommendations for good haul out locations. We are currently about 15NM north of Dubrovnik.

Happy sailing;;
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099




Re: BT SEALS Aquarius

Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...>
 

Sorry the final list is:

Lip Seals

 

Ken 2

Taun 5

Nick 2

Michelle Day 2

Ian Geoffrey Bone 2

Dominique Sery 2

Biffi Stefano 3

Eric Opdeweegh 2

Vladan Bojic 2

Ken


Re: BT SEAL INSTRUCTIONS

Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...>
 

Jose,

I did try to contact you personally, but I don't think I have your correct email address (I received it from the manufacturer).  I was a bit upset, because I thought you were ignoring my email.   

Personally, I would like to get the instructions completed and be done with it.  

On page 3,  the Lip Seal is glued in place, and the Wiper is glued on TOP of it. As in your picture, I thought.  Is this the best way to install the two seals, or not? I don't want to have an Option 2 in the final draft of the instruction set.  The seals might not be drawn perfectly, but I hope you can tell the difference between them and their orientation.  I will draw them better after I receive the seals and can personally touch them.

What is your opinion on the weight necessary to set on top of the seals as the sealant cures, or none at all?

I also have had no water intrusion, with the original type seals.  That said, my bow rides higher in the water than it should.  I am in the process of moving the weight around to get my waterline correct.  This re-distribution of weight will put the hole for the bow thruster closer to the water line, and thus, the reason for my interest in your new seal design.  

I hope we can have a sundowner some evening and put this behind us! 

Ken 


Re: BT SEALS Aquarius

Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...>
 

Below are the people that sent emails first to pay for the seals.  If you missed out you should get a new group of 10 owners and place a new PO.  

Ken 2

Taun 5

Nick 2

Michelle Day 2

Ian Geoffrey Bone 2

Dominique Sery 2

Biffi Stefano 3

Eric Opdeweegh 2

Total Paid  - 20

I am sorry, but I don't have the time required to ship to 40 owners.  

The instructions set has not been completed.  I know only two people that have successfully installed these seals.  One of them had to do it twice, destroying one set in the process. But, the second set has been working for 4000 miles of Ocean sailing.   Another owner said that he had a bad installation, and he removed and replaced the New Silicone seals with the standard lip seal that Amel originally installed.

All of the failed installations probably could have been avoided if a good set of instructions existed.  I will complete a set of instructions before I send out the seals to the seven owners that paid.

I hope that all of the owners with experience installing these seals will respond to the BT Seals Instructions that I have uploaded a few days ago.  Collectively, maybe we can create a good set of instructions.

Ken
Aquarius
SM2K#262



 


Re: leaking membrane cap Dessalator

Porter McRoberts
 

Oscar.  
Bula Bula
Been down this road and happy to help.  Come on over!

Porter
A-54-152

On Jun 6, 2021, at 2:31 PM, Oscar De Schaetzen <oscar.de.schaetzen@...> wrote:

Dear Amelians,

First of all : thank you Bill Rouse for adding me in this group. We've been full-time sailing for 3 years and I only knew about the FaceBook Group. There is much more information in this group!

We are currently in Fiji and we have a leak at the membrane end-cap of our Dessalator Duo 100l/h. To my knowledge, we've never changed the membranes from this watermaker. It now has 676hours. We only changed the oil of the HP pump as well as the O-rings, lip-seals nd a plunger on the HP-CAT pump (as it started leaking last year).

I noticed a small leak of saltwater at the HP tube that is going out of the watermaker after the membranes. I tought : I will undo the hose as well as the 2 screws of the stainless steel part (that is +/- a half-circle) and I put some loctite on the screws. Unfortunately, I made the leak (below the stainless steel part) more important and now it even leaks when I do a manual rincing with fresh water (using the 3-way valve). So If there would be pressure in the membranes, I would spray saltwater everywhere... and thus my watermake is currently out of service... 

My questions :
- Do I need to change the membrane cap (I don't have one in spare) or is it possible to repair the leak?
- I removed the 2 screws that hold the stainless steel part but the stainless steel part didn't come off. Does someone knows if it is possible to remove it? It might be glued / sealed. Because if the answer is yes, I can try to remove it and make it watertight again (with a sillicone gasket or something like that). Has anyone tried that? This could be a temporary solution. Has anyone pictures from the end-cap with the stainless steel part removed? So I can see how it looks inside?

I have written to Dessalator and I await their feedback as well.

I guess I am not the first one with leaking end-caps. So thank you in advance for sharing your experience!!

Kind regards,

Oscar - SV ESTRAN - A54, hull n°4 <membrane endcap.jpg>

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