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Re: Watermaker motor

 

What is the voltage reading on the motor side of the relay when the Dessalator panel is turned ON for 24V?

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 11:40 AM Denis Elborn <delborn@...> wrote:
Hi Bill,

I think that’s what I said happened and whilst I’m not an electrical engineer I understand the basics and will probably be able to fix a simple problem. I am after some guidance about what to check to find the problem.

As you are the only one in the group who has ever answered any query I’ve posted, I look forward to some further input from your extensive knowledge (hopefully!)

Catch up, Den


On 29 Jul 2019, at 3:23 pm, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

When the two smaller wires energizes the relay, positive power should pass from one side to the other when the electromagnet closes the circuit. The switch essentially connects the two large wires on the relay. If you don't understand this, seek expert help. 

On Mon, Jul 29, 2019, 12:12 AM Denis Elborn <delborn@...> wrote:
Thanks Bill for replying.

When I switch ‘on’ at the panel the relay clicks in and supplies positive power to the junction box on top of the motor, so I assume it’s OK.

What do you think?


On 28 Jul 2019, at 6:33 pm, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Is the relay working?

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Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 10:27 AM Denis Elborn <delborn@...> wrote:
Hi all,

The 24v motor Om my Duo D100 has stopped working, still has power going to it and it turns OK but that’s it. The water maker is working fine on the 220v motor.

Any suggestions on how to trace the fault would be appreciated.

Den and Julie
Aventura A54
Manfredonia


Re: problem with the Climma

Lior Keydar <sharona246@...>
 

Hi John

Thanks a lot for your replay. Maybe the reason why the compressor did not startet and popped the 220 V switch is really because I did not wait with stopping and starting the compressor. I did not  know it could be an issue. When I wait like you said, it start every time without a problem. I think that it must be a foult thermostat. If the sensor is warm enough (too much then it should), the compressor starts normal and it works fine. 

Thanks and regards
Lior


 


Re: Propane Conversion

Porter McRoberts
 

Mark. We have not had an issue refilling with our US fiberglass bottles in Nuku Hiva or Tahiti, or Galapagos for that matter. We have both French fittings and US fittings to the gas line but haven’t used the French fitting since Martinique. Haven’t even seen a French bottle out there. 

We’re a little low on the grill bottle so will try to have that filled either here in Raiatea or Bora Bora. I’ll let you know. 

Several buddies got conversion kits. But haven’t  used them. 

Hope this helps. 

Porter
S/V Ibis, A54-152
Raiatea 



Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Jul 29, 2019, at 5:21 AM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

 

Cream Puff was converted to a USA propane fitting long before our ownership. In getting ready for the Pacific, I understand we will not have access to propane nor USA fittings since most of the islands are French.

 

Can anyone recommend where and what to buy that would enable us to convert cooking gas to the French system. (I probably should have thought about this while in Martinique). We currently have access to Amazon (USA) as we have a guest (aka mule) arriving who can tote stuff for us to Panama. Or, we can just order from Amazon/eBay Europe

 

I am thinking this might work but not having a French tank to look at I am unsure: https://www.ebay.com/p/Tank-Adapter-ACME-Propangas-Gasflasche-Campingflasche-LPG-Autogas-Camping/18006219633?iid=272888174834&chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=272888174834&targetid=474173630789&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=2840&poi=&campaignid=1669934834&mkgroupid=65058350339&rlsatarget=pla-474173630789&abcId=1139296&merchantid=6296724&gclid=Cj0KCQjwsvrpBRCsARIsAKBR_0IOdmlLIs7msQF0NVSSsq_paqcVHY1jmMe7oi6RpC4ZYq3TE031dsUaAjS8EALw_wcB

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Do I also need to replace the regulator?

 

Thanks!

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 


Re: New furlers on an Amel 54

Alexander Ramseyer
 

Hi Arno,
Jeff and I are working on my new furler. We need to know which wire goes to which Pin on the relay that we need to install next to the Boxtron.  Can you help with that? I know you sent a Diagram to Jeff, but we would really appreciate if you could use the wire colors and pin numbers to help us with that.
Thank you very much for your continued support, Alex


Re: Watermaker motor

Denis Elborn
 

Hi Bill,

I think that’s what I said happened and whilst I’m not an electrical engineer I understand the basics and will probably be able to fix a simple problem. I am after some guidance about what to check to find the problem.

As you are the only one in the group who has ever answered any query I’ve posted, I look forward to some further input from your extensive knowledge (hopefully!)

Catch up, Den


On 29 Jul 2019, at 3:23 pm, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

When the two smaller wires energizes the relay, positive power should pass from one side to the other when the electromagnet closes the circuit. The switch essentially connects the two large wires on the relay. If you don't understand this, seek expert help. 

On Mon, Jul 29, 2019, 12:12 AM Denis Elborn <delborn@...> wrote:
Thanks Bill for replying.

When I switch ‘on’ at the panel the relay clicks in and supplies positive power to the junction box on top of the motor, so I assume it’s OK.

What do you think?


On 28 Jul 2019, at 6:33 pm, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Is the relay working?

<image.png>
Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 10:27 AM Denis Elborn <delborn@...> wrote:
Hi all,

The 24v motor Om my Duo D100 has stopped working, still has power going to it and it turns OK but that’s it. The water maker is working fine on the 220v motor.

Any suggestions on how to trace the fault would be appreciated.

Den and Julie
Aventura A54
Manfredonia


Propane Conversion

Mark Erdos
 

 

Cream Puff was converted to a USA propane fitting long before our ownership. In getting ready for the Pacific, I understand we will not have access to propane nor USA fittings since most of the islands are French.

 

Can anyone recommend where and what to buy that would enable us to convert cooking gas to the French system. (I probably should have thought about this while in Martinique). We currently have access to Amazon (USA) as we have a guest (aka mule) arriving who can tote stuff for us to Panama. Or, we can just order from Amazon/eBay Europe

 

I am thinking this might work but not having a French tank to look at I am unsure: https://www.ebay.com/p/Tank-Adapter-ACME-Propangas-Gasflasche-Campingflasche-LPG-Autogas-Camping/18006219633?iid=272888174834&chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=272888174834&targetid=474173630789&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=2840&poi=&campaignid=1669934834&mkgroupid=65058350339&rlsatarget=pla-474173630789&abcId=1139296&merchantid=6296724&gclid=Cj0KCQjwsvrpBRCsARIsAKBR_0IOdmlLIs7msQF0NVSSsq_paqcVHY1jmMe7oi6RpC4ZYq3TE031dsUaAjS8EALw_wcB

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Do I also need to replace the regulator?

 

Thanks!

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 


Re: Watermaker motor

 

When the two smaller wires energizes the relay, positive power should pass from one side to the other when the electromagnet closes the circuit. The switch essentially connects the two large wires on the relay. If you don't understand this, seek expert help. 


On Mon, Jul 29, 2019, 12:12 AM Denis Elborn <delborn@...> wrote:
Thanks Bill for replying.

When I switch ‘on’ at the panel the relay clicks in and supplies positive power to the junction box on top of the motor, so I assume it’s OK.

What do you think?


On 28 Jul 2019, at 6:33 pm, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Is the relay working?

<image.png>
Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 10:27 AM Denis Elborn <delborn@...> wrote:
Hi all,

The 24v motor Om my Duo D100 has stopped working, still has power going to it and it turns OK but that’s it. The water maker is working fine on the 220v motor.

Any suggestions on how to trace the fault would be appreciated.

Den and Julie
Aventura A54
Manfredonia


Re: Shower spray handle

Davi Rozgonyi
 

Hey all, regarding that Bavaria style button sprayer.... just my opinion, I'm sure there are many happy users, but. I bought one because it is a higher quality than some of the generic plastic sprayers (for the cockpit shower, but they are the same thing). After 2 uses I ditched it and went with a sprayer with a lever activated spray, not the slick button. Why? Because with a little soap or shampoo on your hands, that button was an absolute PITA to use. A too-firm push in a way that you can't easily turn it around to spray the top of your head or other places without grabbing the whole head, finger kept slipping off... My wives hated it, and I did too. Lever action I think is the way to go for the easiest showering experience ;) Just my 2 cents.... 


Re: Watermaker motor

Denis Elborn
 

Thanks Bill for replying.

When I switch ‘on’ at the panel the relay clicks in and supplies positive power to the junction box on top of the motor, so I assume it’s OK.

What do you think?


On 28 Jul 2019, at 6:33 pm, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Is the relay working?

<image.png>
Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 10:27 AM Denis Elborn <delborn@...> wrote:
Hi all,

The 24v motor Om my Duo D100 has stopped working, still has power going to it and it turns OK but that’s it. The water maker is working fine on the 220v motor.

Any suggestions on how to trace the fault would be appreciated.

Den and Julie
Aventura A54
Manfredonia


Re: problem with the Climma

John Clark
 

Hi Lior,
  Jumping in late on this.  If before troubleshooting your only complaint was that the unit would not cool when thermostat was set to the coldest setting, and there was no issue with the breaker tripping then you may be correct that your issue is the thermostat.   The breaker tripping could be caused by bad capacitors, a common fault and easy fix, but in reading your posts it sounds like it could also be caused by repeated starting and stopping the compressor during troubleshooting.  Compressors had a hard time restarting right after bring turned off due to back pressure from running.  Letting it sit for a minute will allow the pressure to equalize and make it easier to start.

A sneaky issue I had was the main 230v AC panel breaker tripping when the AC was running.  It turned out to be caused by condensation dripping on the compressor terminals.  There us a ground fault trip on the main breaker that will open it but not the downstream air conditioning breaker.

Regards, John
SV Annie. SM 37
Brunswick GA

On Sun, Jul 28, 2019, 5:17 PM Lior Keydar via Groups.Io <sharona246=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Mark,

the breaker popped when I stopped the compressor by change the temperature to higher and then put it low again. In this case the compressor wanted to start again but couldn't and popped the breaker. when I leave the the temperature low it stopped after a while and when I "warm" the sensor with the fingers, it starts again. Yes, maybe there are two issues but I really think that the thermostat does not work properly. In the saloon it works good. I can start and stop the compressor by changing the temperature level.
Any way, the capacitors are ok. I replaced them and the problem remain the same.

Thanks
Lior 


Re: problem with the Climma

Lior Keydar <sharona246@...>
 

Mark,

the breaker popped when I stopped the compressor by change the temperature to higher and then put it low again. In this case the compressor wanted to start again but couldn't and popped the breaker. when I leave the the temperature low it stopped after a while and when I "warm" the sensor with the fingers, it starts again. Yes, maybe there are two issues but I really think that the thermostat does not work properly. In the saloon it works good. I can start and stop the compressor by changing the temperature level.
Any way, the capacitors are ok. I replaced them and the problem remain the same.

Thanks
Lior 


Re: problem with the Climma

Mark Erdos
 

Lior,

 

I thought you said the breaker at the 220 panel popped when the compressor tried to start. This would not be indicative of the thermostat. Perhaps you have more than one issue going one.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lior Keydar via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2019 12:57 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] problem with the Climma

 

I tried to replace the capacitor but it did not help.
I am almost sure it is the thermostat. when the temp. was set to 18 degree (minimum) the compressor did not start. As I wormed the sensor with my fingers the compressor started. I could start the compressor each time i wormed it. As I left it, after a minute or so, the compressor stopped. The cooling part is also sweating a little bit (because of the coldness). Is it normal?
Could anyone advice me where I could order this thermostat? Do I have to order it with the switches and temp regulator?

Thanks a lot for your help
Lior


Re: Bow locker seals

karkauai
 

 Hi Bob, I’m ready to change the seals on all of my deck lockers. Have you found the seals that you bought have held up and are still keeping the water out?
 Any tips regarding the adhesive you used, or the process of installing the new ones?

 Anybody else done this job more than a year ago? Bill R said that he bought some that only lasted a couple of years on BeBe.
 
Thanks
 
Kent and Iris
Kristy
SM243 


Re: problem with the Climma

Lior Keydar <sharona246@...>
 

I tried to replace the capacitor but it did not help.
I am almost sure it is the thermostat. when the temp. was set to 18 degree (minimum) the compressor did not start. As I wormed the sensor with my fingers the compressor started. I could start the compressor each time i wormed it. As I left it, after a minute or so, the compressor stopped. The cooling part is also sweating a little bit (because of the coldness). Is it normal?
Could anyone advice me where I could order this thermostat? Do I have to order it with the switches and temp regulator?

Thanks a lot for your help
Lior


Re: Watermaker motor

 

Is the relay working?

image.png
Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 10:27 AM Denis Elborn <delborn@...> wrote:
Hi all,

The 24v motor Om my Duo D100 has stopped working, still has power going to it and it turns OK but that’s it. The water maker is working fine on the 220v motor.

Any suggestions on how to trace the fault would be appreciated.

Den and Julie
Aventura A54
Manfredonia


Re: problem with the Climma

Mark Erdos
 

Lior,

 

That is exactly where I would start. I had a very similar experience with a unit and replaced the hard start capacitor with a Supco E Series unit. My unit called for the SPP5E model. Not sure if you have the same AC unit. This was for the Climma Compact 9. It’ll cost you $20-30 to find out if this is the culprit, or not.

 

Bill mentioned this capacitor was located in the control box. In my case the capacitor is located next to the compressor and behind the fan. This may have been a design change.

 

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lior Keydar via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2019 11:06 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] problem with the Climma

 

Thanks a lot Bill and Mark

I measured the two capacitors (40 and 10 mF) and they seems to be ok. Should I try any way to replace them?
My Climma is 13 years old (or the boat).

 


Thanks
Lior
 


Watermaker motor

Denis Elborn
 

Hi all,

The 24v motor Om my Duo D100 has stopped working, still has power going to it and it turns OK but that’s it. The water maker is working fine on the 220v motor.

Any suggestions on how to trace the fault would be appreciated.

Den and Julie
Aventura A54
Manfredonia


Re: problem with the Climma

Lior Keydar <sharona246@...>
 

Thanks a lot Bill and Mark

I measured the two capacitors (40 and 10 mF) and they seems to be ok. Should I try any way to replace them?
My Climma is 13 years old (or the boat).
 

Thanks
Lior
 


Re: problem with the Climma

 

Your Amel has a compressor start and a compressor run capacitor. They are inside the white control box.

The thermostat, wiring, thermocouple, thermostat control board, system control board, or Compressor could be faulty. 

I would check in this order of probability:
Start and Run Capacitors
Thermostat
Wiring connections
PCBs (2)
Thermocouple
Compressor
Refrigerant level
Water flow
Fan speed (flow)

If you don't know how to do these things, hire an expert.

Your Climmas are over 20 years old and beyond end of life. You will very likely be replacing them in the near future. Consider this. 


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Sun, Jul 28, 2019, 6:47 AM Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Lior,

 

This sounds typical of the compressor start capacitor failing.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lior Keydar via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2019 7:18 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] problem with the Climma

 

Hi all

When I start the climma, the compressor starts to work only by the minimum temp. of 18 degree (the others starts at higher temp).
If I put the temp a bit higher the compressor stops. Until now everything is ok, only the temperature is not correct. When I put the  temperature down again, the compressor wants to start but it doesn't and then the 220 switch in the galley switch off. I measured all the capacitors and they are ok. Does anyone has any idea what the problem could be?

Thanks a lot in advance

Lior, SHARONA A54 #018


Re: problem with the Climma

Mark Erdos
 

Lior,

 

This sounds typical of the compressor start capacitor failing.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lior Keydar via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2019 7:18 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] problem with the Climma

 

Hi all

When I start the climma, the compressor starts to work only by the minimum temp. of 18 degree (the others starts at higher temp).
If I put the temp a bit higher the compressor stops. Until now everything is ok, only the temperature is not correct. When I put the  temperature down again, the compressor wants to start but it doesn't and then the 220 switch in the galley switch off. I measured all the capacitors and they are ok. Does anyone has any idea what the problem could be?

Thanks a lot in advance

Lior, SHARONA A54 #018

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