Date   
Re: Insurance updates.

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good afternoon Gary,

Thanks for your kind message.
As you know I have always been a big fan of yours and so thankful for the countless, excellent and so precise writings you provided the forum over the years.

I am definitely sorry about the damages you experienced during the Hurricane, but I am glad that you had an overall positive insurance experience, and glad Liahona was repaired properly!

I don’t doubt Helvetia will pay (by french law under I am governed) they have 2 years (so until November this year), but they surely try to get as much interest rate as they can…

Hope we meet one day!

Sincerely, Alexandre




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On Thu, 2/28/19, Gary Silver via Groups.Io <garysilver=mac.com@groups.io> wrote:

Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Insurance updates.
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Date: Thursday, February 28, 2019, 12:49 PM

Alexandre:  

I am so sad to hear of the
pain and suffering you have received at the hands of your
insurance company.  While I can certainly understand your
feelings about insurance companies and I don't desire to
worsen your pain and suffering, I can say that I had a
reasonably good experience with my insurance claim.  The
total repairs were about $135,000, my deductible was $16,000
and the difference was paid as a $60,000 advance to commence
work, with the balance paid in a timely manner when work was
completed.  I was insured by YachtInsure thru Offshore Risk
Management (William Coates).  I was on site for 10 of the
16 weeks of the repairs and have over 2000 photos (daily
about 50 photos taken by someone I hired to send those
photos to me daily when I wasn't there).  It was very
reassuring and helpful to be actively involved in the
repairs as I was able to advise about the Amel construction
techniques and features.  Fortunately the rubber scupper
extrusion material was available from Amel or I don't
know what we would have done.  The most un-satisfactory
part of my insurance dealings is that the same insurer will
not now insure the boat for the surveyed value.  I had to
buy "Excess Insurance" to bring the value up to
the desire limit.  I think the insurers are all reacting
(dare I say over-reacting) to their losses in the Caribbean
from Irma and Maria.  
I sincerely hope
that somewhere in the companies you are dealing with there
is someone who is honest and will pay your claim, sooner
rather than later.  

All
the best to you, 

Gary S.
Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM
2000 #335

Re: Jordan Drogue

James Alton
 

The sea anchor option has many benefits, some of which you mentioned but it also has one big potential problem.  It is possible under certain conditions to develop significant sternway while riding to a sea anchor and the potential exists for rudders to be damaged or destroyed.   The Amel rudders seem to be quite stout so perhaps they could handle more stress than an average sailboat but this would still be a concern to me in very extreme conditions.  If anyone has been on a sea anchor with an Amel in extreme conditions, I would certainly be interested to hear your story.  

One other concern I have with the sea anchor option is the lack of manuverabilty should another vessel approach or the boat be driven towards some danger.  With the drogue off the stern you should have some control of direction without having to recover or detach from the drogue.  Certainly an interesting area of discussion.

Best,

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220

On Feb 28, 2019, at 12:31 PM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

Hi Eric,

I know you believe in the drogue method of storm tactics but your description of your boat preparation and handling systems confirms my negativity to the system. The number of things to potentially go wrong is scary. Also It places the boat stern on to the breaking seas and that results in those seas breaking into the boat and filling the cockpit with water. I remember you saying that the crew in the cockpit was up to their armpits in water. I will stay with my bow deployed sea anchor. The front facing parts of the boat are designed to take attacks by the sea which the stern is not. (In my opinion.)

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 28 February 2019 at 17:35 eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi,

With respect to the Jordan Drogue it is now available in spectra—that is the way to go. It was originally developed by Don Jordan and manufactured by Dave Pelissier of Ace Sailmakers in Connecticut—I would order it from him  and only him.

There are many people now selling the drogue and a few that I have seen are shoddy.

 

If you are feeling really nautical you can buy the kit from him with pre-assembled cones and weave it together yourself.  If you do not get it from Ace, Make sure that the forward facing edge of the cones have seams on them otherwise they will shred after many hours in the water. See above photo.

 

 

When I had Kimberlite built I had Amel Super reinforce the stern cleats. At the end of my bridles I also have large loops spliced into them.

To keep from putting strain on one back stay (you only will have to adjust one leg)  I had a machine shop make me a titanium Humongous snatch block for 1 ½ inch line. Which I will fasten to a few places on the deck fittings to square the boat to the waves.

 

You might also want to have the vinyl covering for the cockpit (weather cloths) zippers modified. I had my sailmaker put loops on either side of the zipper every foot and a half so if the zipper starts coming apart you can tie it back together.

 

When bringing in the drogue you will need something bolted to the stern chocks as the drogue wants to get caught on it and tear the cones.

The drogue has to be tailed by hand as it is  too big for the winch.

Careful not to tear the cones on the winch line stripper.

 

Lastly, the winch motor will cut out after about 4 minutes due to thermal overload. Either bring in the drogue a bit, wait for the motor to cool off and proceed or wait till the overload device trips and then wait 5 minutes and it will work again.

 

I hope it never leaves your port locker.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

From: carpathia3 via groups.io [mailto:carpathia3@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 10:23 AM
To: eric freedman
Subject: Private: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Gearbox greasing

 

Hi Eric,

Thank you for your response, very clear! And yes, I would like to attend to the shaft as well... Just not sure I will be able to take it out. I may have to construct a tool like Jose's to remove it. Mine has probably never been serviced in 19 years so I expect the worst...

I know you are also a big fan of the Jordan drogue and I am quite interested in having one on Carpathia. Can I ask you for your latest advice on how to fit it well with the backstays, and what you found the best setup on the SM. Any picture would help too...

Many thanks,

Guillaume

 


 


 


Re: Insurance updates.

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hello Alexandre,

I am very sorry to hear about your continued difficulties with your insurer.

As an aside, I now use Y Yachts in UK and their contracts are clear and concise.  If I need to make a claim, I am quite certain they would settle quickly and equitably.  But again, as mentioned before, insurers are always difficult to deal with.

Best of luck,

Jean-Pierre Germain, SY Eleuthera, SM007



On 1 Mar 2019, at 06:56, Alexandre Uster von Baar via Groups.Io <uster@...> wrote:

Over 2 months later, and despite 2 more letters from my lawyers to ask the settlement clauses to be notified still nothing.
So today I called Helvetia and said these clauses were not acceptable, that they should know by now that I will not let go, that personally I wanted to go to trial, but my lawyers want to solve the issue peacefully.
The person said he will contact the legal department to see about changing the clauses.  (last time my lawyers ask them, they supposedly were very busy and needed more time).
Always excuses..
So will see.

Now regarding Pantaneus (reminder: one of their insured lost control and hit my vessel in Nassau in July 2014).  They still not have sent the ridiculous amount they agreed to pay.
Helvetia said that Mr Thomas Mullady does not reply any of their email.  Helvetia assures me, they do everything to obtain that payment.
I told them, if in 2014 then you did not want to hire a lawyer for $20.000 I doubt you will hire one for less.  They assure me again I would be reimbursed.

Personally I will NEVER use insurance again (aside for the required liability).  It is obvious they are ALL dishonest.
In the pasts, I heard many “horror” stories, I thought this was exaggerations from upset people, unfortunately this is all true.

On a side note, the french customs asked me to pay “this year” (2019) annual fee for the boat (which they know sunk in 2017), but we solved that.

Sincerely, Alexandre




Re: Watermaker Fuse

Wolfgang Weber
 

Hi Ralph,
I changed the original fuse (which is working thermal and therefore not apropiate for the engineroom) to a switch/fuse  from Carling Technologies which is working hydraulic magnetic.Sorry but I have the papers in germany. 
I bought one from SVB and one from the German Dealer .
Easy to Change,  fits in the original place, only the hole in the front should be a little bigger.
Since changing no more trouble.
Fair winds Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54#162 Tortola 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Painting deck stripes - how much paint is needed??

 

I think it all points to 1-part marine paint and redeaux every 5-6 years😀. At least that is where I would up a few years ago.

Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 12:58 PM Gary Silver via Groups.Io <garysilver=mac.com@groups.io> wrote:
Thanks Bill for the confirmation of the color.  

I have read and researched using Awlgrip for the stripes (as advised by the folks who did the repairs to Liahona and did her painting).  However, having just spoken with the Interlux Awlgrip technical representative I don't see how it will be feasible to use Awlgrip.  He indicated that the pot life for Awlgrip in 85 degrees is about 15 minutes to 30 minutes.  This he says is about as long as it takes to spray the hull of a 30 ft boat, but of course we aren't spraying and need a much longer pot life for this laborious process.  

He suggested Interlux Perfection two part topsides paint that properly reduced will have about a one hour pot life at 85 degrees F.  I have used perfection in the past for some spar touch ups and it has indeed lasted well.  It does come in a Cream color that appears to be similar to the Awlgrip Cream color. AwlGrip and Perfection bothl require a two part epoxy primer for adhesion (thus adding to the manpower involved in this process) but the pot life of the primers is much longer  than the top-coats and won't be an issue.

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 #335
Puerto Rico 




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Painting deck stripes - how much paint is needed??

Gary Silver
 

Thanks Bill for the confirmation of the color.  

I have read and researched using Awlgrip for the stripes (as advised by the folks who did the repairs to Liahona and did her painting).  However, having just spoken with the Interlux Awlgrip technical representative I don't see how it will be feasible to use Awlgrip.  He indicated that the pot life for Awlgrip in 85 degrees is about 15 minutes to 30 minutes.  This he says is about as long as it takes to spray the hull of a 30 ft boat, but of course we aren't spraying and need a much longer pot life for this laborious process.  

He suggested Interlux Perfection two part topsides paint that properly reduced will have about a one hour pot life at 85 degrees F.  I have used perfection in the past for some spar touch ups and it has indeed lasted well.  It does come in a Cream color that appears to be similar to the Awlgrip Cream color. AwlGrip and Perfection bothl require a two part epoxy primer for adhesion (thus adding to the manpower involved in this process) but the pot life of the primers is much longer  than the top-coats and won't be an issue.

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 #335
Puerto Rico 




Re: Insurance updates.

Gary Silver
 

Alexandre:  

I am so sad to hear of the pain and suffering you have received at the hands of your insurance company.  While I can certainly understand your feelings about insurance companies and I don't desire to worsen your pain and suffering, I can say that I had a reasonably good experience with my insurance claim.  The total repairs were about $135,000, my deductible was $16,000 and the difference was paid as a $60,000 advance to commence work, with the balance paid in a timely manner when work was completed.  I was insured by YachtInsure thru Offshore Risk Management (William Coates).  I was on site for 10 of the 16 weeks of the repairs and have over 2000 photos (daily about 50 photos taken by someone I hired to send those photos to me daily when I wasn't there).  It was very reassuring and helpful to be actively involved in the repairs as I was able to advise about the Amel construction techniques and features.  Fortunately the rubber scupper extrusion material was available from Amel or I don't know what we would have done.  The most un-satisfactory part of my insurance dealings is that the same insurer will not now insure the boat for the surveyed value.  I had to buy "Excess Insurance" to bring the value up to the desire limit.  I think the insurers are all reacting (dare I say over-reacting) to their losses in the Caribbean from Irma and Maria.  
I sincerely hope that somewhere in the companies you are dealing with there is someone who is honest and will pay your claim, sooner rather than later.  

All the best to you, 

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 #335

Insurance updates.

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Over 2 months later, and despite 2 more letters from my lawyers to ask the settlement clauses to be notified still nothing.
So today I called Helvetia and said these clauses were not acceptable, that they should know by now that I will not let go, that personally I wanted to go to trial, but my lawyers want to solve the issue peacefully.
The person said he will contact the legal department to see about changing the clauses. (last time my lawyers ask them, they supposedly were very busy and needed more time).
Always excuses..
So will see.

Now regarding Pantaneus (reminder: one of their insured lost control and hit my vessel in Nassau in July 2014). They still not have sent the ridiculous amount they agreed to pay.
Helvetia said that Mr Thomas Mullady does not reply any of their email. Helvetia assures me, they do everything to obtain that payment.
I told them, if in 2014 then you did not want to hire a lawyer for $20.000 I doubt you will hire one for less. They assure me again I would be reimbursed.

Personally I will NEVER use insurance again (aside for the required liability). It is obvious they are ALL dishonest.
In the pasts, I heard many “horror” stories, I thought this was exaggerations from upset people, unfortunately this is all true.

On a side note, the french customs asked me to pay “this year” (2019) annual fee for the boat (which they know sunk in 2017), but we solved that.

Sincerely, Alexandre

Re: Jordan Drogue

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Eric,

I know you believe in the drogue method of storm tactics but your description of your boat preparation and handling systems confirms my negativity to the system. The number of things to potentially go wrong is scary. Also It places the boat stern on to the breaking seas and that results in those seas breaking into the boat and filling the cockpit with water. I remember you saying that the crew in the cockpit was up to their armpits in water. I will stay with my bow deployed sea anchor. The front facing parts of the boat are designed to take attacks by the sea which the stern is not. (In my opinion.)

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 28 February 2019 at 17:35 eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi,

With respect to the Jordan Drogue it is now available in spectra—that is the way to go. It was originally developed by Don Jordan and manufactured by Dave Pelissier of Ace Sailmakers in Connecticut—I would order it from him  and only him.

There are many people now selling the drogue and a few that I have seen are shoddy.

 

If you are feeling really nautical you can buy the kit from him with pre-assembled cones and weave it together yourself.  If you do not get it from Ace, Make sure that the forward facing edge of the cones have seams on them otherwise they will shred after many hours in the water. See above photo.

 

 

When I had Kimberlite built I had Amel Super reinforce the stern cleats. At the end of my bridles I also have large loops spliced into them.

To keep from putting strain on one back stay (you only will have to adjust one leg)  I had a machine shop make me a titanium Humongous snatch block for 1 ½ inch line. Which I will fasten to a few places on the deck fittings to square the boat to the waves.

 

You might also want to have the vinyl covering for the cockpit (weather cloths) zippers modified. I had my sailmaker put loops on either side of the zipper every foot and a half so if the zipper starts coming apart you can tie it back together.

 

When bringing in the drogue you will need something bolted to the stern chocks as the drogue wants to get caught on it and tear the cones.

The drogue has to be tailed by hand as it is  too big for the winch.

Careful not to tear the cones on the winch line stripper.

 

Lastly, the winch motor will cut out after about 4 minutes due to thermal overload. Either bring in the drogue a bit, wait for the motor to cool off and proceed or wait till the overload device trips and then wait 5 minutes and it will work again.

 

I hope it never leaves your port locker.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

From: carpathia3 via groups.io [mailto:carpathia3@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 10:23 AM
To: eric freedman
Subject: Private: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Gearbox greasing

 

Hi Eric,

Thank you for your response, very clear! And yes, I would like to attend to the shaft as well... Just not sure I will be able to take it out. I may have to construct a tool like Jose's to remove it. Mine has probably never been serviced in 19 years so I expect the worst...

I know you are also a big fan of the Jordan drogue and I am quite interested in having one on Carpathia. Can I ask you for your latest advice on how to fit it well with the backstays, and what you found the best setup on the SM. Any picture would help too...

Many thanks,

Guillaume

 


 


 

Re: Amel lettering colour / RAL

tony wells
 

Thank you Courtney - the perfect Pantone! 

On 28 Feb 2019, at 15:09, Courtney Gorman via Groups.Io <Itsfun1@...> wrote:

Hi Tony just talked to my Graphics guy and this is the color of Vinyl we used
the pms color is 7421C,    



-----Original Message-----
From: tony wells via Groups.Io <tony.wells@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Feb 28, 2019 6:54 am
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Amel lettering colour / RAL

Hi all

We recently bought Amel 54 “Catriona R” #102 in Preveza, Greece. We are reverting to the original name “Balthazar” per this old photo attached (I’ve edited out the “IV” suffix and port name). 

Amel, who would have applied the name originally do not have a record of the font or colour. I have now identified and bought the font as Aviano Contrast Heavy. CAN ANYONE HELP IDENTIFY THE COLOUR PLEASE? A RAL ref for Amel’s ‘standard’ burgundy would be perfect. 

Finally, thank you All for such a fabulous forum - a deciding factor in our yacht choice. Being technically inept, the forum has given me great insight...and sleepless nights, in equal measure! We’ve had a much-appreciated welcome from a number of owners and are supported by Bill Rouse too. 

Tony & Lel Wells
Balthazar (formerly Catriona R)
A54 #102 Preveza, Greece (circumnavigation planned, starting 2022...)

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Painting deck stripes - how much paint is needed??

 

Gary, 

As you probably know, I used the same paint and tool that you used the first time around. The second time, I had 1-part marine paint mixed in Trinidad to match the AwlGrip Cream color, which is exactly the color you posted. We used 1 quart to apply 2 coats. We sanded much of the old off before applying the new color. The cream color did not cover as good as the chocolate brown, hence the 2nd coat.

I could not get a clear answer on the 2-part paint, so I elected to go with 1 part. These get a lot of UV in the tropics and probably 5-6 years will be the lifetime. BTW, when we sold BeBe we gave Dan two fingernail polish bottles filled with the paint for future touch-up. The 2-part would not have worked for that.

Lastly, when we were in Trinidad, we trained a local boat wash/wax guy to do this job. He got very good at it. I can give you his name if you want it. It took him 5 days for the complete job.

Best, 

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 8:58 AM Gary Silver via Groups.Io <garysilver=mac.com@groups.io> wrote:
Bill Rouse:

 This is the Awlgrip "Cream" color.  Does this appear correct for what you painted your deck stripes?  The photo I have seen of your stripes appeared to be more white colored.

Thanks, 

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona
Puerto Del Rey Puerto Rico
SM 2000 #335

Re: Amel lettering colour / RAL

Courtney Gorman
 

Hi Tony just talked to my Graphics guy and this is the color of Vinyl we used
the pms color is 7421C,    



-----Original Message-----
From: tony wells via Groups.Io <tony.wells@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Feb 28, 2019 6:54 am
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Amel lettering colour / RAL

Hi all

We recently bought Amel 54 “Catriona R” #102 in Preveza, Greece. We are reverting to the original name “Balthazar” per this old photo attached (I’ve edited out the “IV” suffix and port name). 

Amel, who would have applied the name originally do not have a record of the font or colour. I have now identified and bought the font as Aviano Contrast Heavy. CAN ANYONE HELP IDENTIFY THE COLOUR PLEASE? A RAL ref for Amel’s ‘standard’ burgundy would be perfect. 

Finally, thank you All for such a fabulous forum - a deciding factor in our yacht choice. Being technically inept, the forum has given me great insight...and sleepless nights, in equal measure! We’ve had a much-appreciated welcome from a number of owners and are supported by Bill Rouse too. 

Tony & Lel Wells
Balthazar (formerly Catriona R)
A54 #102 Preveza, Greece (circumnavigation planned, starting 2022...)

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Painting deck stripes - how much paint is needed??

Gary Silver
 

Bill Rouse:

 This is the Awlgrip "Cream" color.  Does this appear correct for what you painted your deck stripes?  The photo I have seen of your stripes appeared to be more white colored.

Thanks, 

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona
Puerto Del Rey Puerto Rico
SM 2000 #335

Amel lettering colour / RAL

tony wells
 

Hi all

We recently bought Amel 54 “Catriona R” #102 in Preveza, Greece. We are reverting to the original name “Balthazar” per this old photo attached (I’ve edited out the “IV” suffix and port name). 

Amel, who would have applied the name originally do not have a record of the font or colour. I have now identified and bought the font as Aviano Contrast Heavy. CAN ANYONE HELP IDENTIFY THE COLOUR PLEASE? A RAL ref for Amel’s ‘standard’ burgundy would be perfect. 

Finally, thank you All for such a fabulous forum - a deciding factor in our yacht choice. Being technically inept, the forum has given me great insight...and sleepless nights, in equal measure! We’ve had a much-appreciated welcome from a number of owners and are supported by Bill Rouse too. 

Tony & Lel Wells
Balthazar (formerly Catriona R)
A54 #102 Preveza, Greece (circumnavigation planned, starting 2022...)

Jordan Drogue

eric freedman
 

Hi,

With respect to the Jordan Drogue it is now available in spectra—that is the way to go. It was originally developed by Don Jordan and manufactured by Dave Pelissier of Ace Sailmakers in Connecticut—I would order it from him  and only him.

There are many people now selling the drogue and a few that I have seen are shoddy.

 

If you are feeling really nautical you can buy the kit from him with pre-assembled cones and weave it together yourself.  If you do not get it from Ace, Make sure that the forward facing edge of the cones have seams on them otherwise they will shred after many hours in the water. See above photo.

 

 

When I had Kimberlite built I had Amel Super reinforce the stern cleats. At the end of my bridles I also have large loops spliced into them.

To keep from putting strain on one back stay (you only will have to adjust one leg)  I had a machine shop make me a titanium Humongous snatch block for 1 ½ inch line. Which I will fasten to a few places on the deck fittings to square the boat to the waves.

 

You might also want to have the vinyl covering for the cockpit (weather cloths) zippers modified. I had my sailmaker put loops on either side of the zipper every foot and a half so if the zipper starts coming apart you can tie it back together.

 

When bringing in the drogue you will need something bolted to the stern chocks as the drogue wants to get caught on it and tear the cones.

The drogue has to be tailed by hand as it is  too big for the winch.

Careful not to tear the cones on the winch line stripper.

 

Lastly, the winch motor will cut out after about 4 minutes due to thermal overload. Either bring in the drogue a bit, wait for the motor to cool off and proceed or wait till the overload device trips and then wait 5 minutes and it will work again.

 

I hope it never leaves your port locker.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

From: carpathia3 via groups.io [mailto:carpathia3@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 10:23 AM
To: eric freedman
Subject: Private: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Gearbox greasing

 

Hi Eric,

Thank you for your response, very clear! And yes, I would like to attend to the shaft as well... Just not sure I will be able to take it out. I may have to construct a tool like Jose's to remove it. Mine has probably never been serviced in 19 years so I expect the worst...

I know you are also a big fan of the Jordan drogue and I am quite interested in having one on Carpathia. Can I ask you for your latest advice on how to fit it well with the backstays, and what you found the best setup on the SM. Any picture would help too...

Many thanks,

Guillaume

 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Painting deck stripes - how much paint is needed??

Ian Townsend
 

We applied Brightside Hatteras White in late 2017. 

What we learned. 
1. We love the color and the match is very good. It's one of those things that really revitalizes the look of the SM, helping to defy its age.
2. We could not get the pinstripe tool to perform as advertised, despite watching video, experimenting and using varying amounts of thickening agent. Over time, we developed our own method to avoid sloppy lines. You'll also need artist brushes as there several areas the tool cannot reach.
3. We used less than a quart of Brightside for one coat.
4. It took about 60 hours for the first coat. WeAs Joel says, it takes patience and my wife definitely had more than me.
5. Not a lot of difference underfoot in terms of 'cooler' decks.
6. It's been on for only 15 months and thus far we've only put on one coat (like Mark says, we opt for fun!). Can't predict how long it will last but it's wearing well so far. Eventually we will get around to that second coat!

Note that we spend most of our time in Florida and the Bahamas.

Good luck!

Ian & Margaret
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153
Exumas, Bahamas

On Feb 27, 2019, at 11:12 AM, Gary Silver via Groups.Io <garysilver@...> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

Hi Bill and all:

I am preparing to re-paint my deck stripes "AGAIN".  This will be my third time (have owned the boat since new in 2001).  I previously used Interlux Brightside paint and it just does not hold up to Caribbean sun.  About 4-5 years before it oxidizes and starts to look shabby.  I am considering using Awlgrip this go round but it will be much more work and I am investigating the "pot life" (i.e. useful working time) to see if it is practical to use in the pin-striping tool. 

I would appreciate any feedback on the durability of the various types of paint and also others thoughts about the cosmetics of switching to the cream color for the stripes.  Changing things on Liahona is a heavy lift for me, yet that said, having just changed the boot-stripe to Desert Sand has been a great change that improved the appearance of the boat both to myself and many others who have commented on the appearance.  Wise advice to me a long time ago was, "never be the first to adopt a change and never be the last".  

Opinions and experiences of all types are invited. 

Gary S Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 #335
lying Puerto Del Rey marina, Puerto Rico

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Painting deck stripes - how much paint is needed??

Craig & Katherine Briggs
 

Mark,
Uh, have you thought about where you may be sleeping tonight?
Craig SN68 Sangaris

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Painting deck stripes - how much paint is needed??

Mark Erdos
 

Joel,

 

Oh good to know!!! I adding this to Cindy’s list J

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of amelforme
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 5:51 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] [Amel Yacht Owners] Painting deck stripes - how much paint is needed??

 

The original stripes are polyester resin/gel- coat. They were painstakingly applied by hand with paint brushes. Throughout the production of the Sharki, Maramu, Mango, Fango, Santorin and Super Maramu, these stipes were applied by a mainly female crew who were deemed to have more patience and manual dexterity than their male counterparts. These were considered the primary requirements for this job. Back then, political correctness wasn’t even a consideration, especially in France.

 

All The Best, Joel

 

          JOEL F. POTTER-CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST~L.L.C.

                                           THE  EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE

                                   Office 954-462-5869  Cell 954-812-2485

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark Erdos
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 1:48 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] [Amel Yacht Owners] Painting deck stripes - how much paint is needed??

 

Were the original stripes done with gelcoat or resin?

 

Cream Puff needs this too but it keeps getting pushed back down the project list because “having fun” trumps it every time. It has been on the list since we purchase here in 2011 J

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Silver via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 12:13 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] [Amel Yacht Owners] Painting deck stripes - how much paint is needed??

 

[Edited Message Follows]

Hi Bill and all:

I am preparing to re-paint my deck stripes "AGAIN".  This will be my third time (have owned the boat since new in 2001).  I previously used Interlux Brightside paint and it just does not hold up to Caribbean sun.  About 4-5 years before it oxidizes and starts to look shabby.  I am considering using Awlgrip this go round but it will be much more work and I am investigating the "pot life" (i.e. useful working time) to see if it is practical to use in the pin-striping tool. 

I would appreciate any feedback on the durability of the various types of paint and also others thoughts about the cosmetics of switching to the cream color for the stripes.  Changing things on Liahona is a heavy lift for me, yet that said, having just changed the boot-stripe to Desert Sand has been a great change that improved the appearance of the boat both to myself and many others who have commented on the appearance.  Wise advice to me a long time ago was, "never be the first to adopt a change and never be the last".  

Opinions and experiences of all types are invited. 

Gary S Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 #335
lying Puerto Del Rey marina, Puerto Rico

Re: Amel 54 Manual - Owner and User

Dean Gillies
 

Whilst on this topic ... what I would really like to get is a soft copy of the A54 Manual Appendices in English.

My original hard copy of the manuals is in German for the original owner. I don’t read German very well.

I have soft copies of the English Manuals, but not the Appendices.

If anyone has a soft copy of the appendices I’d love to receive a copy.

In the meantime, I notice there are no English manuals in the folder that Roque has provided, so I’ll try to fix that 😎

Cheers
Dean
SY Stella
A54-154

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Painting deck stripes - how much paint is needed??

amelforme
 

The original stripes are polyester resin/gel- coat. They were painstakingly applied by hand with paint brushes. Throughout the production of the Sharki, Maramu, Mango, Fango, Santorin and Super Maramu, these stipes were applied by a mainly female crew who were deemed to have more patience and manual dexterity than their male counterparts. These were considered the primary requirements for this job. Back then, political correctness wasn’t even a consideration, especially in France.

 

All The Best, Joel

 

          JOEL F. POTTER-CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST~L.L.C.

                                           THE  EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE

                                   Office 954-462-5869  Cell 954-812-2485

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark Erdos
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 1:48 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] [Amel Yacht Owners] Painting deck stripes - how much paint is needed??

 

Were the original stripes done with gelcoat or resin?

 

Cream Puff needs this too but it keeps getting pushed back down the project list because “having fun” trumps it every time. It has been on the list since we purchase here in 2011 J

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Silver via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 12:13 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] [Amel Yacht Owners] Painting deck stripes - how much paint is needed??

 

[Edited Message Follows]

Hi Bill and all:

I am preparing to re-paint my deck stripes "AGAIN".  This will be my third time (have owned the boat since new in 2001).  I previously used Interlux Brightside paint and it just does not hold up to Caribbean sun.  About 4-5 years before it oxidizes and starts to look shabby.  I am considering using Awlgrip this go round but it will be much more work and I am investigating the "pot life" (i.e. useful working time) to see if it is practical to use in the pin-striping tool. 

I would appreciate any feedback on the durability of the various types of paint and also others thoughts about the cosmetics of switching to the cream color for the stripes.  Changing things on Liahona is a heavy lift for me, yet that said, having just changed the boot-stripe to Desert Sand has been a great change that improved the appearance of the boat both to myself and many others who have commented on the appearance.  Wise advice to me a long time ago was, "never be the first to adopt a change and never be the last".  

Opinions and experiences of all types are invited. 

Gary S Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 #335
lying Puerto Del Rey marina, Puerto Rico