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Re: Dessalator Pump Oil

Ian Townsend
 

Got word back from Dessalator that 5W40 or 10W40 would be OK. However, they also said definitely DO NOT USE HYDRAULIC OIL like ISO 68. This must be because of the style/age of our unit vs. newer SMs.

I have referenced the manual in the Files section but unfortunately it does not deal with this issue and our model. We only have an old French manual, typed on an IBM Selectric.

Apologies to the group as I should have checked with Dessalator first. It's just that they haven't been as responsive in the past and I wanted a faster answer which we normally get with the forum.


Ian & Margaret
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153
Exumas, Bahamas

On Feb 21, 2019, at 10:54 AM, Mark Mueller <brass.ring@...> wrote:

I looked into the oil requirement for a new to us Amel with a Dessalator 160, CAT 277 pump, early last year.  The CAT manual recommends an ISO 68 hydraulic oil.  I believe this is a 30 wt. oil.  I would agree with Bill Kinney that a 40 wt. oil would would also work well.  The book recommends a change every 500 hours with the ISO 68 oil or 300 hours for if other oils are used.  The manual did not specify only an ISO oil, I believe SAE oils have detergents and other modifiers added.  You can reference the manual in the Files Section > Dessalator Technical Info > CAT Pump 277 Svc Manual, p6.

 

Good Maintenance

Mark Mueller

Brass Ring  A54

 

Re: Dessalator Pump Oil

Mark & Debbie Mueller
 

I looked into the oil requirement for a new to us Amel with a Dessalator 160, CAT 277 pump, early last year.  The CAT manual recommends an ISO 68 hydraulic oil.  I believe this is a 30 wt. oil.  I would agree with Bill Kinney that a 40 wt. oil would would also work well.  The book recommends a change every 500 hours with the ISO 68 oil or 300 hours for if other oils are used.  The manual did not specify only an ISO oil, I believe SAE oils have detergents and other modifiers added.  You can reference the manual in the Files Section > Dessalator Technical Info > CAT Pump 277 Svc Manual, p6.

 

Good Maintenance

Mark Mueller

Brass Ring  A54

 

Re: SM Goiot Hatch Models & Lense Colors

karkauai
 

I’m not certain, Barry, I think it’s 5/16” (8mm).

Acrylic might be a better choice right under the mast, it’s supposed to be a bit stronger than plexiglass.  If you’re going to abrade the surface to make it frosted, the greater likelihood of scratching won’t make a difference.

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM 243

On Feb 20, 2019, at 4:07 PM, seagasm <seagasm@...> wrote:

Thank you Kent, one final question, how thick is the plexiglass? 

Barry
TW3 #171

Re: Volvo D2-75 Repower

eric freedman
 

Hi Ian,

The 12 V alternator should also be an isolated unit 

I believe the 24 Volt alternator should  also be isolated as the whole purpose of the isolation is to prevent the house battery bank from being connected to the bonding. Recall the discussions of the 24 volt macerator toilet pumps becoming connected to the bonding due to water intrusion.

However I am also not on board and cannot give a definitive answer about that unit.

How many hours did you have on your previous engine?

With respect to the autoprop zinc, paint the heads of the screws with nail polish. This will prevent he screw heads from dissolving.

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of ianjudyjenkins@...
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 5:45 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Volvo D2-75 Repower

 

Hi Bill, Eric, ( and anyone else who has fitted a D2-75 )

 

 Thanks . My guy will be working on this shortly--Pen Azen is ashore at present and I'm in London.

 I want to make sure that I cover every point. In addition to the senders and the starter motor should the 12v alternator also be isolated ? ( but presumably not the 24v alternator?) 

 Any other points to consider ?

 

 Ian


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of eric freedman <kimberlite@...>
Sent: 21 February 2019 00:53
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Volvo D2-75 Repower

 

Hi Ian,

Do the senders on your new engine have 2 wires on them? Temp sender, oil pressure sender, etc. ?

Is one side of the starter motor attached to the block?

 

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of ianjudyjenkins@...
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 6:21 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Volvo D2-75 Repower

 

Hi Paul,

 

 We have about 30 hours on our D2-75. Its a good fit. The guy who installed it originally worked with the Brit who designed the TMD22 so he knows both engines well. The TMD was designed for road use and then marinised whereas the D2-75 was designed as a marine engine. Neater and more accessible. No lack of power compared to the TMD22. It is marginally noisier as it is not belt driven. Wonderfully clean exhaust. I expect fuel consumption to be the same.

The secret switch used to interrupt the power to the switch board but now interrupts the power to the starter. Volvo insist  that this engine does  not need galvanic isolation  but I like the belt and braces approach of the original so will resolve that--pending that, I have fitted the Autoprop with the  zinc cap that Autoprop supply.

 

Early days, but we are very pleased.

 

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Greece


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Paul Cooper via Groups.Io <paul.cooper74@...>
Sent: 19 February 2019 02:01
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Volvo D2-75 Repower

 

Any SMs with a Volvo D2-75 repower care to comment on their experience?  Good?  Problems? Power adequate?  How did you handle the galvanic isolation issue?

Thanks,

Paul C.
SM238 "Maracuya"
Martinique

Re: Volvo D2-75 Repower

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Bill, Eric, ( and anyone else who has fitted a D2-75 )

 Thanks . My guy will be working on this shortly--Pen Azen is ashore at present and I'm in London.
 I want to make sure that I cover every point. In addition to the senders and the starter motor should the 12v alternator also be isolated ? ( but presumably not the 24v alternator?) 
 Any other points to consider ?

 Ian


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of eric freedman <kimberlite@...>
Sent: 21 February 2019 00:53
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Volvo D2-75 Repower
 

Hi Ian,

Do the senders on your new engine have 2 wires on them? Temp sender, oil pressure sender, etc. ?

Is one side of the starter motor attached to the block?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of ianjudyjenkins@...
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 6:21 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Volvo D2-75 Repower

 

Hi Paul,

 

 We have about 30 hours on our D2-75. Its a good fit. The guy who installed it originally worked with the Brit who designed the TMD22 so he knows both engines well. The TMD was designed for road use and then marinised whereas the D2-75 was designed as a marine engine. Neater and more accessible. No lack of power compared to the TMD22. It is marginally noisier as it is not belt driven. Wonderfully clean exhaust. I expect fuel consumption to be the same.

The secret switch used to interrupt the power to the switch board but now interrupts the power to the starter. Volvo insist  that this engine does  not need galvanic isolation  but I like the belt and braces approach of the original so will resolve that--pending that, I have fitted the Autoprop with the  zinc cap that Autoprop supply.

 

Early days, but we are very pleased.

 

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Greece


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Paul Cooper via Groups.Io <paul.cooper74@...>
Sent: 19 February 2019 02:01
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Volvo D2-75 Repower

 

Any SMs with a Volvo D2-75 repower care to comment on their experience?  Good?  Problems? Power adequate?  How did you handle the galvanic isolation issue?

Thanks,

Paul C.
SM238 "Maracuya"
Martinique

Re: Volvo D2-75 Repower

eric freedman
 

Hi Ian,

Do the senders on your new engine have 2 wires on them? Temp sender, oil pressure sender, etc. ?

Is one side of the starter motor attached to the block?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of ianjudyjenkins@...
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 6:21 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Volvo D2-75 Repower

 

Hi Paul,

 

 We have about 30 hours on our D2-75. Its a good fit. The guy who installed it originally worked with the Brit who designed the TMD22 so he knows both engines well. The TMD was designed for road use and then marinised whereas the D2-75 was designed as a marine engine. Neater and more accessible. No lack of power compared to the TMD22. It is marginally noisier as it is not belt driven. Wonderfully clean exhaust. I expect fuel consumption to be the same.

The secret switch used to interrupt the power to the switch board but now interrupts the power to the starter. Volvo insist  that this engine does  not need galvanic isolation  but I like the belt and braces approach of the original so will resolve that--pending that, I have fitted the Autoprop with the  zinc cap that Autoprop supply.

 

Early days, but we are very pleased.

 

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Greece


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Paul Cooper via Groups.Io <paul.cooper74@...>
Sent: 19 February 2019 02:01
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Volvo D2-75 Repower

 

Any SMs with a Volvo D2-75 repower care to comment on their experience?  Good?  Problems? Power adequate?  How did you handle the galvanic isolation issue?

Thanks,

Paul C.
SM238 "Maracuya"
Martinique

ANTI SIPHON VALVE INSTALLATION - YANMAR 4JH4-HTE

Alejandro Paquin
 

Hello to all,

Can anyone explain the best way to install an antisiphon valve on a Yanmar 4JH4- HTE engine? Pictures could also be helpful.

Alex Paquin

s/v SIMPATICO

Older Maramu 1981, Hull#94

Re: SM Goiot Hatch Models & Lense Colors

seagasm
 

Thank you Kent, one final question, how thick is the plexiglass? 

Barry
TW3 #171

Re: Dessalator Pump Oil

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

Ian,

Hello from the other side of the anchorage :)

Harmonie came to us complete with a jug of oil that was labeled with the CatPump brand, as "high pressure pump oil." Since that is now gone, I have been using regular SAE40 oil.  The logic is that the engine room on a SM is a pretty hot environment, so the slightly flatter viscosity curve of 30W40 really isn't needed.  I don't think this is a particularly severe or difficult lubrication application.

I have a scheduled change interval of once a year on that oil.  Puts me well under the manufacturer's hourly recommendation, and makes it easy to schedule.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Georgetown, Bahamas

Dessalator Pump Oil

Ian Townsend
 

Maintenance for our 40L/hr Dessalator high pressure pump says 0.75L 30W40 oil every 500 hours. I can't find this anywhere and was wondering if anyone is using something different that I could change to. 

Grazie. 


Ian & Margaret
SM153
Loca Lola II
Exuma, Bahamas

Re: Volvo D2-75 Repower

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

Ian and Judy,

Volvo is right, the engine does not need isolation. BUT, the engine ground system is not isolated to protect the engine.

The C-drive needs to be connected to the Amel bonding system for corrosion control.  Unless extra ordinary measures are taken, the engine chassis is going to be electrically connected to the C-drive.  Having a full time negative ground on the engine chassis results in full time connection of the 12-Volt Negative connected to the bonding system. Having these two system interconnected  is not the way the Amel corrosion control system is designed.

The problem here is if ANY other part of the bonding system has an inadvertent connection to the 12-Volt positive, very severe, and rapid, corrosion can occur. This will not show up on the ground fault lights because those only test for a faults in the 24-Volt system.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Georgetown, Bahamas

Re: Rubber caps for Lofrans switches

smiles bernard
 

I Meant to say ‘they’ being aquafax 
If you find another distributor that can do a quicker deliver I’d be interested  as 6-8 weeks is possibly not quick enough for me as I’m abroad and have family from uk visiting in 6 weeks 
All the best

Miles


On 20 Feb 2019, at 04:35, ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@...> <ianjudyjenkins@...> wrote:

Hi Miles,

 The BEP one looks even closer to the original. They have a UK distributor. I might get a couple to try.
 Thanks!

Ian

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of smiles bernard via Groups.Io <smilesbernard@...>
Sent: 19 February 2019 23:30
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Rubber caps for Lofrans switches
 
Hi Ian 
Does yours look like this
If so mine has a 20mm ID which is the critical dimension I think along with height 

My cover and it’s spare are now cracked so I have also been hunting for the spare and struggling. I have emailed Aquafax in the uk as they apparently supply BEP marine parts but I’m not actually 100% it’s the same piece as the specs are not clear on the BEP website. 
Looks like the vital parts covers are well worth a go!

All the best

Miles
 


On 19 Feb 2019, at 11:19, ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@...> <ianjudyjenkins@...> wrote:

Thanks!

Ian

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Ian <parkianj@...>
Sent: 19 February 2019 13:41
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Rubber caps for Lofrans switches
 
Ian
Just measured mine. I believe the Lorraine’s on the Santorin is the same size albeit a 12v version. My rubber caps are 30mm across the base and 20mm high.

Ian



Re: Rubber caps for Lofrans switches

smiles bernard
 

Hi Ian 
They sell in packs of 5 for £15 plus shipping of £7
But have to order them which takes 6-8 weeks 
All the best
Miles

On 20 Feb 2019, at 04:35, ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@...> <ianjudyjenkins@...> wrote:

Hi Miles,

 The BEP one looks even closer to the original. They have a UK distributor. I might get a couple to try.
 Thanks!

Ian

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of smiles bernard via Groups.Io <smilesbernard@...>
Sent: 19 February 2019 23:30
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Rubber caps for Lofrans switches
 
Hi Ian 
Does yours look like this
If so mine has a 20mm ID which is the critical dimension I think along with height 

My cover and it’s spare are now cracked so I have also been hunting for the spare and struggling. I have emailed Aquafax in the uk as they apparently supply BEP marine parts but I’m not actually 100% it’s the same piece as the specs are not clear on the BEP website. 
Looks like the vital parts covers are well worth a go!

All the best

Miles
 


On 19 Feb 2019, at 11:19, ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@...> <ianjudyjenkins@...> wrote:

Thanks!

Ian

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Ian <parkianj@...>
Sent: 19 February 2019 13:41
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Rubber caps for Lofrans switches
 
Ian
Just measured mine. I believe the Lorraine’s on the Santorin is the same size albeit a 12v version. My rubber caps are 30mm across the base and 20mm high.

Ian



Re: Volvo D2-75 Repower

Miles
 

Hi Ian and Judy,

I agree with all you say about the Volvo D2-75.  I have had mine for about 1000 hours and I have enjoyed much better fuel consumption.

Regards,

Miles

s/y Ladybug, sm 216 Le Marin, Martinique

Re: GALLEY FAUCET REPLACEMENT OLDER MARAMU

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

I got a replacement galley faucet for SM 299 from my local New Zealand building supply firm Mitre 10. It was identical and on the shelf.

Wow

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl 

On 20 February 2019 at 04:30 "Steve Leeds via Groups.Io" <yachtmaccabee@...> wrote:

 
Thank you.  That is very attractive.  Unfortunately, it is the bottom part of my faucet that broke!



On Tuesday, February 19, 2019, 2:25:31 AM EST, sharki.cigale via Groups.Io <sharki.cigale@...> wrote:



 


 

Re: Volvo D2-75 Repower

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Paul,

I have had the D2-75 for 4 years. 850 hours. All good. More torque than the TMD22. so not sensitive to fouling on the prop Noticeably lighter Stern rides higher. Happy with it. After a year the turbo was replaced under warranty, no problems since. Amel advised not to go for the 110hp as the C drive in 299 was not built to take that power. The C drive was upgraded in the models that had the 110 fitted. In retrospect I would consider an overhaul of the TMD 22 instead at a much lower cost, not because of any issues with the new motor.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 19 February 2019 Hi Paulat 15:01 "Paul Cooper via Groups.Io" <paul.cooper74@...> wrote:

Any SMs with a Volvo D2-75 repower care to comment on their experience?  Good?  Problems? Power adequate?  How did you handle the galvanic isolation issue?

Thanks,

Paul C.
SM238 "Maracuya"
Martinique

Re: NMEA 2000 to NMEA 0183

Brent Cameron
 

Thanks Bill.  Having a strong Physics/Calculus background plus being a pilot and then a process control designer when I was still young and smart made it easy for me to understand these things. I did spend quite a bit of time with Kent's (rather excellent IMHO) B&G/Simrad system and know what you mean about their manuals.  I think a lot of these manufacturers are in a tough spot... if they open up the control settings too much there are those of us who will fiddle with them and drive up their support costs when the boat is acting wildly but then if they dumb them down too much, they don't perform as they should.    


--
Brent Cameron

Future Super Maramu 2000 Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada

Re: NMEA 2000 to NMEA 0183

Brent Cameron
 

Hi Paul.  I had a look at the manual of the ACU 400 and you are right in that they have dumbed down the controls a bit to make it easier for the end user.  The Response level seems straightforward enough... performance would be when you want it to be highly responsive (i.e. acting faster) while Leisure would be when you don't need it to react that fast (so like what I had said above (higher Response = Performance, lower = Leisure).  I guess they felt that three levels was probably enough, I like to fidget a bit more than that but for the average person, I'm sure it's fine.  They still sort of have Rudder Gain and Counter Rudder but they've integrated it into the Boat Type, Rudder Limit and Hard Over Time/Drive Check functions.  If you have a rudder sensor, they can figure some of that out automagically it looks like (the Rudder Limits and Hard Over Time specifically).  Basically what they are doing is calculating the required gain settings from the responsiveness of the rudder and an approximation of the boat speed (sailboat or sailboat (slow turn) and rudder response times).  I would check to make sure that your boat is set properly for SAILBOAT or SAILBOAT (SLOW TURN) and that the Rudder Drive/Hard Over Times are set properly (HOT is only used if you don't have a rudder angle transducer as it can figure it out if you have one).  If you still find it is acting a bit slow, try changing the boat type up to Catamaran or slow powerboat as that's bumping the gain function.     I'm surprised that they don't have a Wind Trim function for the Evo units but I guess that they were having trouble with people not understanding how it overrides the gain/response of the regular settings.  You can have similar function but you'll need to boost the Response during changing conditions.  You'd think with all the electronics in these things that they'd give you MORE choices (even if they put it behind an "advanced settings" menu) rather than less.  Good luck!


--
Brent Cameron

Future Super Maramu 2000 Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada

Re: NMEA 2000 to NMEA 0183

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

Brent,

I hereby nominate you to write the next generation of manuals for Navico (B&G/Simrad/Lawerence)

Your explanation of the settings and adjustment on an autopilot is about 3 orders of magnitude better than ANYTHING Navico has published in the last  10 years.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Georgetown, Bahamas

Re: Volvo D2-75 Repower

rossirossix4
 
Edited

Ian, you know more than I on this but I don't think it is the engine, but the Amel "C" drive, etc that can take a beating......Chime in Kent!

I'm here at the Amel Center in Le Marin, Martinique after a "drama free" sail from Cape Verde....and Alban lent me a tool that they made up that let me pull the main hauler gearbox out of the boom with ZERO effort (2004 SM)!  Will post a pic in a bit.

Bob Rossi, KAIMI SM 429