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Re: Toe pulley
Hi Jean-Luc,
I paid USD 446 for 2 sets of pulleys (same as the Amel alloy ones, but in stainless steel) including shipping to Australia. Mark McGovern makes them. Contact him on mfmcgovern@... Best Alan
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Re: The two "sticks" on the genoa top swivel
Miles
Hi Mike and Hannah,
The two sticks are important. They guarantee that the halyard cannot ever wrap around the stay. On many boats other than Amels, if there is any dirt or anything making the top swivel a little less than free, the halyard can wrap when you are trying to furl the sail. This can happen in a blow and suddenly you cannot furl or drop the sail (guess how I know this). Amel fits each stick with a rubber sleeve that protects the paint on the mast. I would suggest that your order one stick and two rubber sleeves.
As many people in this group have said, Amel never did anything without a reason. The reason may not be obvious at first, but there is a reason. When I bought my boat, Amel told me they would be interested in my comments, but not until I had sailed for at least a year. They explained that in their experience, it would take at least a year for me to understand why they had done what they did. In fact, it took longer and after 20 years I still come across cleaver bits that I had not noticed.
Regards,
Miles
s/y Ladybug, SM 216, Martinique
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Re: The two "sticks" on the genoa top swivel
JOHN HAYES
Mine is at deck level cause have just replaced the fore stay. Think you could easily make up a new one out of stainless and use a die to cut a new thread
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Thanks for the fuel tube idea Danny. Best John Hayes NGA Waka SN41
On 13/05/2019, at 6:54 AM, SY STELLA <stella@...> wrote:
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Re: Main Outhaul early SM 2K
I’ll get my tool made and report on its efficacy, with pics if it works
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;-)>. Will definitely take all advice, trim the key and the shaft, use NeverSieze, and remove every 3 months for regreasing. I’ll spray some PB Blaster around the top seal, but doubt much if any will make it past the seal. Dry Ice and heat if the tool doesn’t work. Jeez, somehow I make seemingly simple tasks into major productions. At least this one seems to have given most everyone problems... Kent Kristy SM243
On May 12, 2019, at 2:23 PM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:
Hi Gary, When I had to drive out the shaft with a sledge hammer I found that as soon as the key cleared the keyway the shaft slid out easily. I believe the key is the only thing that needs to be adjusted. I remove the shaft 4 times a year and lubricate it with high temp. stainless Neva-Seez and have had no further problem in over 10 years. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Silver via Groups.Io
Hi Kent:
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Re: Diesel Class
Thanks Mark...great suggestions!
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Kent S/V Kristy SM243
On May 12, 2019, at 1:16 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:
Kent,
If you plan to take Kristy there, you can stay in the city mooring field: 38°58'33.7"N 76°28'58.6"W This will be a lot cheaper alternative to the very expensive marinas in the area. It is first come first served so get there a few days before the school starts to get an outer buoy (for larger vessels). You will not have trouble getting a mooring on Mondays – Thursdays. Weekends can be iffy.
Use the public dinghy docks. It is a short walk to the school. Each of the numbered streets on the Eastport peninsular have free public dinghy docks. There is one located at the south end of 6th street. If it is blowing hard you can use the north end of 4th and walk.
You will find the school very educational and well worth the money.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - San Blas Islands, Panama
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Re: The two "sticks" on the genoa top swivel
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Hi Mike, just to add to the other answers. Yes they are needed, both of them. Absolutely essential At times they can become bent and need straitening or replacing. Never leave them uncovered. The cover is best dine with a heavy wall rubber tubing to give maximum mast protection. I use fuel hose. It comes in many internal diameters and is rubber like and has thick walls. Just find one that is a tight fit. I cover most of the length.. You don't need to go up the mast, unroll the headsail and drop the furler to deck level. Why do they get bent? In my case I used to carry the spare halyard clipped to the pulpit. It sagged back a little and when I furled the headsail it got caught up in the sail. Result two very "bent sticks". That was in my first months of ownership. Needless to say for the last 10 years I have never carried the spare halyard there. Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
On 13 May 2019 at 06:04 SV Trilogy <svtrilogy53@...> wrote:
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Re: The two "sticks" on the genoa top swivel
I’m interested in this subject too. I recently lost one of the black rubber/plastic covers from one of the ‘sticks’. I’d hate to think it was gouging the mast!
I also have never seen these devices on other furling systems. Maybe I need to get up there and wrap it in some self-vulcanising tape, or heatshrink sleeving?? Presumably Maud can supply new sleeves and sticks. Dean SY Stella A54-164
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Re: Electric Motor for SM main outhaul/furler
David Vogel
Hi Eric,
With pleasure ... Type: MBT82 M Induit: 24V 27A Puissance: 450W Vitesse: 3100min-1 Service: S2 5mn Protection: IP44 Classe: F Blue skies, David SM#396/Perigee
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Re: The two "sticks" on the genoa top swivel
You should replace them and find rubber hose to fit over the ends. This was a smart, cheap, reliable innovation from Henri Amel that prevents twisting issues, especially when you least want them. Best, CW Bill Rouse Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners www.YachtSchool.us 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Sun, May 12, 2019, 7:04 PM SV Trilogy <svtrilogy53@...> wrote: Hi everyone,
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Re: Main Outhaul early SM 2K
eric freedman
Hi Gary, When I had to drive out the shaft with a sledge hammer I found that as soon as the key cleared the keyway the shaft slid out easily. I believe the key is the only thing that needs to be adjusted. I remove the shaft 4 times a year and lubricate it with high temp. stainless Neva-Seez and have had no further problem in over 10 years. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Silver via Groups.Io
Hi Kent:
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Re: Electric Motor for SM main outhaul/furler
eric freedman
Hi David,
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Would you please supply the information on the tag of the new motor. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
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From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Vogel Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 10:01 AM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Electric Motor for SM main outhaul/furler Greetings, AMEL France just filled an order for a spare electric motor and gearbox for the SM Main Outhaul/Furler. The electric motor is a little different to what I expected. Please see the silver motor in the photos attached (the one with the small gauge red and black wires). What I was expecting to see was a motor as per SM#335, which is what I have on Perigee. Does anyone know if the silver unit as supplied is a 'drop-in' replacement? Or do I need to re-order and obtain the 'old style"? (I am writing to Maude but, being the weekend, thought it quicker to check with the forum.) Thanks in anticipation. David SM#396/Perigee Panama, almost prepped for French Polynesia
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Re: Diesel Class
Kent,
If you plan to take Kristy there, you can stay in the city mooring field: 38°58'33.7"N 76°28'58.6"W This will be a lot cheaper alternative to the very expensive marinas in the area. It is first come first served so get there a few days before the school starts to get an outer buoy (for larger vessels). You will not have trouble getting a mooring on Mondays – Thursdays. Weekends can be iffy.
Use the public dinghy docks. It is a short walk to the school. Each of the numbered streets on the Eastport peninsular have free public dinghy docks. There is one located at the south end of 6th street. If it is blowing hard you can use the north end of 4th and walk.
You will find the school very educational and well worth the money.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - San Blas Islands, Panama www.creampuff.us
From:
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AHi again everyone,
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The two "sticks" on the genoa top swivel
Mike Longcor (SV Trilogy)
Hi everyone,
How critical are the 2 sticks/poles (perhaps called "cornes" in French?) that are bolted onto the top swivel of the genoa furling assembly? Our SM was sold to us with just one of these installed on the starboard side. All it seems to do is occasionally make contact with the mast - gouging the aluminum and removing paint - and/or interfere with the second halyard. Wondering if it can just be removed or if we should source and install the second one on the port side? Wouldn't the genoa halyard tension be enough to keep the top swivel in it's proper orientation? With both sticks installed, are they supposed to make any contact with the mast or rigging? If not, what is their purpose? Only during extreme forces/emergency? I don't see anything like these on other boats (a most common thing with Amel design) so any insight or information is welcomed. Thanks, Mike & Hannah SV Trilogy, SM#23 Panama
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Re: Electric Motor for SM main outhaul/furler
David Vogel
Hi Gary,
Thanks for your response. The silver motor is by “Nidec”, sub-titled LEROY-SOMER (L-S is part of the NIDEC group, apparently).
Yes, further research reveals that the motors I have installed on PERIGEE/SM#396 are identified as model number MBT86M. (The MBT denotes permanent magnets, the “86” is the diameter of the motor casing in mm, the “M” is the length of the motor casing, either S|M|L.)
SPECS of the motor as shipped -> Type: MBT82M | 24V/27A/450W | 3100rpm (I noted this difference in revs as well, as this would seem to make it out of sync with the other motor, = more blipping the toggle switches). On the 82 as received, there are no ports enabling direct access to the brushes, for servicing.
Another difference is the ‘Service Code”; the ‘as installed’ unit, model 86, the service code is S2 10mn; the one supplied (mode 82), the service code is S2 5mn; I haven’t yet cracked the code on what the difference means, excepting the obvious regarding lack of service ports.
It appears that I should have the MBT86M, not the 82M. I think that perhaps the thinner 82-model is intended for an A54 (and maybe even a later model SM than #396).
When I get a response from Maud, then I’ll post an update. But in the interim, if anyone else can chime in, please do.
Best,
David SM#396/Perigee Panama
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Re: Main Outhaul early SM 2K
Gary Silver
Hi Kent:
Sorry to hear of your difficulties removing the outhaul shaft. Also interesting to see the different mounting methods used by Amel over the various SN boats. I don't have any specific answers to getting the shaft out unless it would be to use dry ice to cool the shaft and/or applying heat to the gearbox shaft. Like so many things this is an all hands on deck situation so penetrating oil, heat, cold, vibration, and pressure may all be needed. Note that there is no seal between the outhaul shaft (male) and the gearbox shaft (female) into which the outhaul shaft inserts. The only seal here is the lip seal that is press fit into the upper cover (and lower cover) of the gearbox and provides a seal to the gearbox (female) shaft. I have found that removing the outhaul shaft once yearly and lubing it has always yielded easy removal, not sure why your's is stuck after so little calendar time. I do rinse thoroughly the areas of the outhaul and furling gearboxes with fresh water after every sail and I do slather an unsightly amount of grease around the upper surface of the shaft/shaft interface but it sound like you do the same. Eric suggestion to remove a couple of thousandths from the keyway seams reasonable, perhaps an easier thing would be to remove a couple of thousandths of an inch from the shaft itself (larger bearing area and hence a larger "sticking" area). Wish you luck, Gary S. Silver s/v Liahona Amel SM 2000 #335 Puerto Del Rey - Puerto Rico
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Re: Electric Motor for SM main outhaul/furler
Gary Silver
Hi David:
It appears that the specifications are very close to the LeRoy Somer motor, however, it seems to be smaller in diameter so some accommodation for mounting would be necessary. Also, the wiring will need to be adapted. Does the new motor have brush covers to allow servicing the brushes? Does the RPM say 3,100 rpm? Not that a 100 RPM difference would be of any significance. Gary S Silver s/v Liahona Amel SM 2000 #335
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Re: Diesel Class
AHi again everyone,
It looks like a private class isn’t going to happen. I’d recommend looking at either the Mack Boring 2-day marine diesel owner’s class or the Annapolis School of Seamanship classes which are 2 day Basic Diesel and 2-day Level II Diesel class which goes more into troubleshooting. Iris and I are signing up for the School of Seamanship classes this Summer. Sorry I couldn’t get a private Amel class put together, but finding the facility, engines, instructors, and timing just didn’t seem to work. Kent SM 243 Kristy
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Electric Motor for SM main outhaul/furler
David Vogel
Greetings,
AMEL France just filled an order for a spare electric motor and gearbox for the SM Main Outhaul/Furler. The electric motor is a little different to what I expected. Please see the silver motor in the photos attached (the one with the small gauge red and black wires). What I was expecting to see was a motor as per SM#335, which is what I have on Perigee. Does anyone know if the silver unit as supplied is a 'drop-in' replacement? Or do I need to re-order and obtain the 'old style"? (I am writing to Maude but, being the weekend, thought it quicker to check with the forum.) Thanks in anticipation. David SM#396/Perigee Panama, almost prepped for French Polynesia
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Re: Main Outhaul early SM 2K
Thanks again, Eric and John. I’ve been hearing about all the problems with removing the Outhaul shaft, and now have the same problem. Others have suggested it was because the shaft seal is vertical and prone to water intrusion. When mine was removed with great difficulty, I found the shaft had rusted and salt was everywhere. That was about two years after I had rebuilt the previous one that had lasted many years. I had been putting silicone grease on the upper seal every few months for those two years. Now after only six months with a new gearbox, it’s stuck again, despite NeverSieze and grease on the outside of the seal every 2 months.
I need to find a better way... Kent SM 243 Kristy
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Re: Main Outhaul early SM 2K
John Clark
Kent, Annie SM 37 has the same arrangement, though with bonfig gears. I disassembled mine a couple of years ago but did not have any issues so can't help you there, just wanted to let you know that the arrangement is OEM. Regards,. John SV Annie SM 37 Brunswick GA
On Fri, May 10, 2019, 5:33 PM karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote: Hi all,
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