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Re: Fresh water distribution pipework Maramu 46

sbmesasailor
 

Hi Graham,

I presume the plumbing for your '88 Maramu is the same as my '82.  It will be easy to determine...  Pull up the floor boards on the port side of the saloon table.  If you find a fiberglass bulge running along the side of the encasement of the water tank, then we have the same plumbing.  The copper lines for the forward head run inside this bulge/channel, through the bulkhead, under the shower pan and terminate at the sink.  The lines feed into this channel at a junction under the refrigerator.

Amel realized that this plumbing would be virtually inaccessible for maintenance which is probably why they made the effort to encase it in fibreglass.  Unfortunately for you and for me, the copper has finally corroded and is leaking.  In your case, the solution may only be to remove the shower pan to access the leak.  My problem is at the other end where the copper enters the fiberglass channel.

I'm not familiar with the process of removing the shower pan but I'm pretty sure that while it's possible, it's a major project requiring a lot of head parts removal and maybe even some demolition.  Perhaps some other Maramu owner can help with guidance for that.

Dennis Johns
Libertad
Maramu #121


Re: Larger stove?

Arno Luijten
 

There is a video of the GN Espace model on You-Tube. I must say I was a bit underwhelmed because of the video. Especially because you spend the best part of $4k fot that thing. That’s why I decided the Force 10 was good enough.

Arno
Luna,
A54-121

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Larger stove?

 

Mark,

Agree, agree and couldn't agree more. After reviewing the OceanChef model from gn-espace.com, I wouldn't buy anything else.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 9:11 AM 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Wow!

 

I went to this page out of curiosity as we currently are not in the market for a stove. And my curiosity peaked when you said it was made in the UK and being British I always lived with the adage, anything made in England with more than two moving parts is going to break. But, perhaps there is finally an exception?

 

It makes me wonder how much money a person needs to spend on a boat to get into the category where a mattress more than 3” deep and a decent stove are standard equipment.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 3:23 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Larger stove?

 

 

The Rolls Royce of cookers is the GN Espace range (gn-espace.com). They are in a different league to the rest on the market. Built in the UK but expensive. Sometimes you get what you pay for! I had one on my previous boat. Superb!

 

I still have the original Eno on my 54 and am happy with it, but it is not the same quality at all. The grill in particular is poor.

 

Kind regards

 

Nick

 

Amelia(Aml 54 019)

On 23 Dec 2018, at 12:29, paul.cooper74@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

We would like to upgrade our original 2-burner ENO stove.  Our options include a newer nicer ENO but all ENOs appear to have the same dimensions, which allows 5.5 cm of unused space on either side of the unit.

 

So I am wondering if one could make more efficient use of that space and install a larger stove/oven?

 

Does anyone have or know of a brand/model that is larger than the ENO and still fit in the space, which is 605 mm wide?

 

Thanks,

 

Paul C.

SM2K#238 "MARACUYA"

Martinique

 

 

Re: Fresh water distribution pipework Maramu 46

rossny@ymail.com
 

Hi Graham, 
The maramu that I updated (1989 #261) had copper tube imbeded in the glass and came out of the hull forward of the bulkhead and then went up under the head platform. I re-piped with pex and used hose clamps to connect to original pipe just after the bulkhead because I could not figure out how to get to the plumbing connection under the head for a home run. That eliminated the leak but I lost the boat before having a chance to go back and complete the job properly. It's been a few years so memory is a little fuzzy. Hopefully someone else can help further.
ALSO ... while you are looking around that area... Joel told me to check for wood rot under that spot that he noticed in other older Maramus of that era where the water collected. Good luck and have fun with your Maramu!!!
Best Regards,
Ross in ny 







Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Larger stove?

Mark Erdos
 

Wow!

 

I went to this page out of curiosity as we currently are not in the market for a stove. And my curiosity peaked when you said it was made in the UK and being British I always lived with the adage, anything made in England with more than two moving parts is going to break. But, perhaps there is finally an exception?

 

It makes me wonder how much money a person needs to spend on a boat to get into the category where a mattress more than 3” deep and a decent stove are standard equipment.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 3:23 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Larger stove?

 

 

The Rolls Royce of cookers is the GN Espace range (gn-espace.com). They are in a different league to the rest on the market. Built in the UK but expensive. Sometimes you get what you pay for! I had one on my previous boat. Superb!

 

I still have the original Eno on my 54 and am happy with it, but it is not the same quality at all. The grill in particular is poor.

 

Kind regards

 

Nick

 

Amelia(Aml 54 019)

On 23 Dec 2018, at 12:29, paul.cooper74@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

We would like to upgrade our original 2-burner ENO stove.  Our options include a newer nicer ENO but all ENOs appear to have the same dimensions, which allows 5.5 cm of unused space on either side of the unit.

 

So I am wondering if one could make more efficient use of that space and install a larger stove/oven?

 

Does anyone have or know of a brand/model that is larger than the ENO and still fit in the space, which is 605 mm wide?

 

Thanks,

 

Paul C.

SM2K#238 "MARACUYA"

Martinique

 

 

Re: Larger stove?

Arno Luijten
 

For those interested, I’ve added a picture of the Force 10 inside our Amel. on the left side you can see one of the pieces of wood used to match the width of the stove.
The funny thing is that the space between the burners is actually a bit bigger compared to the original Eno stove.

Arno
Luna,
A54-121

Re: Larger stove?

Ian Park
 

Arno
Your thought process was the same as mine. I thought about the Force 10 too because I liked the counterbalanced door. And the one we really liked was the GN Espace. They are so well built. But we were replacing a number of major items at the time so bought the ENO to save money. We still regret not buying the GN Espace.

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh water distribution pipework Maramu 46

christian alby <calbyy@...>
 

Hi there Graham
check dwg attached (all in french but easy to follow)
leaks in forward head should be easy to track, 2 fresh water lines only with limited connections, even though difficult access calls for slim & able fingers.
Good luck

christian alby - Désirade VIII - Maramu 116 - now in Canet en Roussillon



Le ‎dimanche‎ ‎23‎ ‎décembre‎ ‎2018‎ ‎14‎:‎19‎:‎22‎ ‎CET, Graham Cresswell grahamjcresswell@... [amelyachtowners] a écrit :


 

Does anyone have a drawing or diagram of the fresh water distribution
pipework for the 1988 Maramu 46?

I have a leak.  Whenever I switch on the water pump, fresh water
accumulates in the space below the forward heads but I can't localise
the source.  A diagram of the layout might be helpful. 

Kind regards

Graham

SV Jamesby
Maramu 46 #240

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Larger stove?

ngtnewington Newington
 

The Rolls Royce of cookers is the GN Espace range (gn-espace.com). They are in a different league to the rest on the market. Built in the UK but expensive. Sometimes you get what you pay for! I had one on my previous boat. Superb!

I still have the original Eno on my 54 and am happy with it, but it is not the same quality at all. The grill in particular is poor.

Kind regards

Nick

Amelia(Aml 54 019)

On 23 Dec 2018, at 12:29, paul.cooper74@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


We would like to upgrade our original 2-burner ENO stove.  Our options include a newer nicer ENO but all ENOs appear to have the same dimensions, which allows 5.5 cm of unused space on either side of the unit.


So I am wondering if one could make more efficient use of that space and install a larger stove/oven?


Does anyone have or know of a brand/model that is larger than the ENO and still fit in the space, which is 605 mm wide?


Thanks,


Paul C.

SM2K#238 "MARACUYA"

Martinique



Re: Larger stove?

greatketch@...
 

Paul,

This is strictly a matter of personnel preference, and style with cooking and lifestyle, and I have to say up front I have never used an oven without a reliable thermostat, but I would never get an oven without one.  

It is entirely possible that I am just spoiled...

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, FL, USA

Re: Larger stove?

paul.cooper74@...
 

I appreciate the feedback.  I looked at the specs on the Dickinson marine (expensive!) and it was the same size.  The Force 10 stove has some nice features like a thermostat for the oven but it is only 1 cm wider and the oven capacity is just 1 L greater.  All in all i think the convenience of getting an  Eno, which can be purchased right here in Martinique relatively inexpensively and delivered to my boat is going to be the deciding factor.  i hope the quality has not decreased too much.  

Paul C.
Maracuya

Re: Fiberglass Work VIs

Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL
 

Hi Mark,
This sounds like a great DIY project to build your personal fiber-glassing skills. It's easy-peasy, very forgiving to work with, and good fun plus it'll give you great self-satisfaction.  On the bow thruster foot it can't help but look perfect (well, maybe after relaunching :-)
Cheers,
Craig Briggs -  1992 SN68 Sangaris, Fort Pierce, FL, USA


---In amelyachtowners@..., <isaac_02906@...> wrote :

Hello All,

Does anyone have any experience (good or bad) with fiberglass work in the Virgin Islands?  My bow thruster foot needs some attention.

Mark Isaac
Lulu, SM #391
St. John, USVI


Re: Larger stove?

Arno Luijten
 

We just replaced the Eno on our A54 with an Force 10 4-burner. We had the same problem that the width of the cavity is about 60 cm and marine stoves seem to hover aroud the 50 cm wide mark. The Force 10 is 52, so I placed two filler pieces of wood left and right. The original stove was modified by Amel from the looks of it to have the gimbal points at the burner level instead of at the level of the top of the oven. I don’t know why they did that. I could not find a gimballed stove aroud 60 cm wide, Force10 has a wider one but that is about 70 cm wide.
I’ve looked for other stoves as well. There is GN-Espace, a UK brand, very nice, very expensive. Most other stuff I could find is pretty poor from build quality, even Force 10 is not what they used to be since they were bought by Eno (still better then Eno though). But at least they still carry the clever mechnism for the oven door and they are reasonally easy to clean.
In the end you pay crazy money for a stove that has much less build quality then a domestic stove. Things like self cleaning oven walls and so are completely unknown in sailboat stoves.

Good luck hunting for your new stove!

Arno Luijten
Luna,
A54-121

Re: SM Mizzen Furling System Gearbox Overhaul

Alan Leslie
 

Thanks Gary very much for this very informative article. The detail is superb, as usual.
Merry Christmas to you and yours and all the best for 2019
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dinghy for a 54

Alan Leslie
 

We have a 2.60 m Highfield Classic Inflatable RIB and stow it on the aft cabin top with the aft pontoons either side of the mizzen mast. It JUST fits (bow to transom) between the mizzen traveller and the mizzen mast. Any bigger and we couldn't stow it that way and still use the mizzen properly. The dinghy is a bit smaller then we would like but it stows securely with ratchet tie downs and when travelling long distances that's more important to us than a larger dinghy.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dinghy for a 54

Courtney Gorman
 

Yes but when I place it backwards it shortens things!!
Cheers and Merry Christmas!


-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Sun, Dec 23, 2018 11:41 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dinghy for a 54

 
Courtney,

When you have that measurement from the back of the mizzen to the mizzen traveler, DON'T FORGET that the overall length of the dinghy includes the aft portion of the pontoons which exceeds the transom. 

Also, when considering a dinghy like the 3D or Highfield brands, be sure to consider the oar locks and paddles located on top of the tubes. This becomes an issue when inverting the dinghy for storage. Because of the oar lock issue, I recommend either AB or Caribe brands for Amels. The style and location of the AB and Caribe brands, easily allow for hoisting the dinghy to an inverted storage position on the deck aft of the Mizzen.


I hope this helps in your selection process.

I am not 100% sure, but I believe that including the aft tube extensions alongside the Mizzen mast, I believe that you can store a 3.0 meter dinghy longitudinally and inverted on the aft deck...please check me on this...it could be only a 2.9m. However, diagonally, you can easily store a 3.2m, possibly blocking the deck access on the starboard side. 
"Measure Twice, Buy Once."

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 5:36 PM Courtney Gorman Itsfun1@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Thanks Mark I'll Try that!! By the way would any 54 owner mind measuring the distance from the back of the mizzen mast to the aft traveler specificly to the most forward part of the sheet?  Thanks
Courtney


-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Sat, Dec 22, 2018 6:06 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dinghy for a 54

 
Courtney,
 
Check with the Highfield dealers in the USA. The guy we purchased from will ship most places in the world. So will the dealer in Canada. Being in St Thomas there would be no duty from mainland USA. What about Puerto Rico?
 
 
With best regards,
 
Mark
 
Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 3:49 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dinghy for a 54
 
 
I had the 310 and it fit great but lost at sea last month
Now I am in St Thomas and there are no Highfield dealers Achilles are available but I have no information on how good they are.  A friend found a 12 ft fiberglass for 1800 used and I was wondering if it would fit as that's a lot better than another 4890$
thanks for the input
Courtney

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Sat, Dec 22, 2018 2:36 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dinghy for a 54
 
I’m not sure how much bigger the aft cabin top is on the 54 but, we have the hypalon version of this dinghy and it easily stows on our 53 (diagonally). Off shore we lash it to the aft cabin top. On the hook it is on the arch davits. It is a great dink and we’d highly recommend it to anyone in the market for a new tender.
 
 
 
With best regards,
 
Mark
 
Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 3:08 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dinghy for a 54
 
 
I believe it was Bill ROUSE, when he was on board, suggesting me 3.20 meter diagonally.
 
Best Regards Teun
AMELIT  A54  #128
Dec 22, 2018   12:07:39
 
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 8:08 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dinghy for a 54
 
 
Hello all and merry Christmas I was wondering if anyone can tell me what the maximum length dinghy that can fit on the aft cabin top of the 54 longitudinally not across
Thank You
Courtney 
sv Trippin 
St Thomas .


.

Fiberglass Work VIs

Mark Isaac
 

Hello All,

Does anyone have any experience (good or bad) with fiberglass work in the Virgin Islands?  My bow thruster foot needs some attention.

Mark Isaac
Lulu, SM #391
St. John, USVI


Re: Larger stove?

Ian Park
 

I replaced our 1994 Eno with a new one four years ago. It is nowhere near as well built as the original. Had several bits needed replacing within 6 months. They were very good about it but I guess they are competing in a mass market nowadays. We wish we had spent more now on a better cooker as it is the third most important item on the boat after sails and engine.

Ian & Linda
Ocean Hobo SN96

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Mizzen Furling System Gearbox Overhaul

 

Gary,

Thanks for this and ALL of the other detailed instructions that you have shared with this group over the about 15 years that have been a member. I do not think anyone else has contributed more to the success of the Amel Owners Group than you have. I have been thinking about you and your beloved SM Liahona, lately and have been hoping for an update on the hurricane repair.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 10:40 AM Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Wonderful illustration by Gary Silver !!!

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On Sun, 12/23/18, Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Mizzen Furling System Gearbox Overhaul
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, December 23, 2018, 10:33 AM


 









Hopefully I will never need what you have
just provided – but that is a wonderful Christmas
present!

Thank you very
much,

Porter McRoberts

54-152 Ibis

Excuse the
errors.  Sent from my IPhone Www.fouribis.com
On Dec 23, 2018, at 8:08 AM, amelliahona <no_reply@...>
wrote:
















 






Hello and Merry Christmas to
everyone:
Some time ago I promised to
write up and share my experience overhauling the mizzen
furling gearbox/cranking mechanism on the Super Maramu 2000.
 I found the file with the included pictures too large to
upload to this site.  Efforts to trim the picture sizes (at
least with my limited computer savvy) didn't help and so
this is an attempt to make that information available to the
group.  I have posted the file in my DropBox account and
here is a link to access it. 
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ixxsetx8biva86t/Amel%20%E2%80%93%20Super%20Maramu%202000%20%E2%80%93%20Mizzen%20Furling%20Gearbox%20Overhaul%20Final.doc?dl=0

It is a
Word Doc file so let me know if that doesn't work and I
will post it as a PDF. 
I am
new to DropBox so let me know if this doesn't share
properly. 
Bottom line is
that I can see few scenarios where the mizzen furling
"gearbox" needs to be disassembled.  The gears
can be lubed via other methods than disassembly, as depicted
in the document. 
All the
best,  Gary S. Silvers/v Liahona Amel
Super Maramu 2000  Hull # 335Lying Puerto Del Rey,
Puerto Rico









Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dinghy for a 54

 

Courtney,

When you have that measurement from the back of the mizzen to the mizzen traveler, DON'T FORGET that the overall length of the dinghy includes the aft portion of the pontoons which exceeds the transom. 

Also, when considering a dinghy like the 3D or Highfield brands, be sure to consider the oar locks and paddles located on top of the tubes. This becomes an issue when inverting the dinghy for storage. Because of the oar lock issue, I recommend either AB or Caribe brands for Amels. The style and location of the AB and Caribe brands, easily allow for hoisting the dinghy to an inverted storage position on the deck aft of the Mizzen.


I hope this helps in your selection process.

I am not 100% sure, but I believe that including the aft tube extensions alongside the Mizzen mast, I believe that you can store a 3.0 meter dinghy longitudinally and inverted on the aft deck...please check me on this...it could be only a 2.9m. However, diagonally, you can easily store a 3.2m, possibly blocking the deck access on the starboard side. 
"Measure Twice, Buy Once."

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 5:36 PM Courtney Gorman Itsfun1@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks Mark I'll Try that!! By the way would any 54 owner mind measuring the distance from the back of the mizzen mast to the aft traveler specificly to the most forward part of the sheet?  Thanks

Courtney


-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Sat, Dec 22, 2018 6:06 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dinghy for a 54

 
Courtney,
 
Check with the Highfield dealers in the USA. The guy we purchased from will ship most places in the world. So will the dealer in Canada. Being in St Thomas there would be no duty from mainland USA. What about Puerto Rico?
 
 
With best regards,
 
Mark
 
Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 3:49 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dinghy for a 54
 
 
I had the 310 and it fit great but lost at sea last month
Now I am in St Thomas and there are no Highfield dealers Achilles are available but I have no information on how good they are.  A friend found a 12 ft fiberglass for 1800 used and I was wondering if it would fit as that's a lot better than another 4890$
thanks for the input
Courtney

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Sat, Dec 22, 2018 2:36 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dinghy for a 54
 
I’m not sure how much bigger the aft cabin top is on the 54 but, we have the hypalon version of this dinghy and it easily stows on our 53 (diagonally). Off shore we lash it to the aft cabin top. On the hook it is on the arch davits. It is a great dink and we’d highly recommend it to anyone in the market for a new tender.
 
 
 
With best regards,
 
Mark
 
Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 3:08 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dinghy for a 54
 
 
I believe it was Bill ROUSE, when he was on board, suggesting me 3.20 meter diagonally.
 
Best Regards Teun
AMELIT  A54  #128
Dec 22, 2018   12:07:39
 
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 8:08 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dinghy for a 54
 
 
Hello all and merry Christmas I was wondering if anyone can tell me what the maximum length dinghy that can fit on the aft cabin top of the 54 longitudinally not across
Thank You
Courtney 
sv Trippin 
St Thomas .


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