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Guests and engine controls!

smiles bernard
 

Hello

A guest on board switched my ignition off whilst motoring.
Trying to be helpful.

The engine kept running but I only noticed a few mins later when I spotted the instruments were off

My Perkins control panel has a electric ignition switch that turns on the instruments and starts the pressure alarm etc and I presume power onto the starter etc

Then a momentary push button to start

To stop it’s an electric button.

Does any one know if running with the ignition off for a short while could cause problems ? I’m naive about these electrics but always assumed the shutdown order super important!

The main engine power switch was on throughout.

Many thanks in advance

Miles Maramu 162


Re: New Engine alignment in a SM

Graham Boyd
 

Hi Bill 

Thanks for the detailed advice. I think using the Beta mounts was a mistake. Can you recommend the vetus or other manufacturers' mounts that are suitable for supporting the metal frame. The new engine is around 290 kg with gearbox.This info seems hard to come by and on the Vetus site there is nothing resembling the original donut shaped mounts. The originals were by Schwartz but googling that goes nowhere. We will order the rubber donuts inside the coupling asap.

Thanks again for your help

Graham


Re: New Engine alignment in a SM

Graham Boyd
 

Thank you to all of you who have put up replies to my questions, all most useful and have given me a positive direction in which to head. I have no doubt this issue will be easily resolved once my engineer has the correct knowledge. Amel expertise is in short supply here in HK!


SM Climma AC - Calpeda Pump Voltage with Breakers Off

Gary Silver
 

Hi all:  The other day one of my Amel original Compact 9 ACs started short cycling and I checked the Calpeda pump and found it was not running.  First thing to check in this failure mode was the run capacitor at the pump, and sure enough it was bulging and clearly fried.  I tripped off all the AC breakers, shorted across the terminals of the capacitor at the pump, removed the capacitor and installed a new one rated at 440 VAC.  During the installation process I received a mild electrical shock.  Still with ALL AC breakers tripped at the 220 Volt Panel in the galley I measured the voltage across the blue and brown wires at the pump I found there was 220 VAC.  Also there was 115 VAC from the blue OR brown wire measured to the motor case/yellow-green wire.  

WHERE IS THIS SNEAK VOLTAGE POWER TO THE CALPEDA PUMP COMING FROM?  
Steps taken so far:
1.  Verified shore power connections (I'm on the USA grid).  All shore power connections appears properly wired. 
2.  Verified none of the 220 VAC panel Diruptors was shorted (i.e. now voltage across any of them when tripped).  
3.  Visually inspected the Climma three unit relay box and found no visual evidence of anything amiss. I have not yet tested the individual contacts for each of the three relays.
4.  Disconnected the shore power and started the generator, with it running there is no voltage at the Calpeda with the AC (air conditioning) breakers open.  Reviewed the Amel rudimentary schematics and don't see anything different between K1 (the generator change over relay) for shore power vs generator power.  
5  Verified that the only thing that removes voltage at the pump with the shore power plunged in is to trip the GFCI breaker on the side of the 220 VAC panel. 

I consulted VECO NA and they confirmed there should not be voltage at the pump with the breakers open.  The installation manual for the Amel triple unit system says,  "4.5 MULTIPLE INSTALLATION:  4.5.1  The mains supply to the pump relay box must be independent from the air-conditioners and protected by a circuit breaker and an independent fuse.  The pump supply will come in parallel from each relay which is controlled by each air conditioner." (English translation from Italian is a bit wanting).  

My questions:  
1.  Where is the independent 220 VAC power for the relay box wired from? (i.e. what is its source?)  Clearly it isn't coming from any of the three AC circuit breakers.  
2.  Any thoughts on the most likely failure mode to allow voltage at the Calpeda  when on shore power but not when running on the generator (in my mind that eliminates a stuck contact on one of the relays in the Climma relay box as the generator also uses those same relays).
3.  Anybody out there found a similar situation?

Thanks for your thoughts. 

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 # 335
(just down the dock from s/v/ Delos here at Puerto Del Rey Marina in Fajardo Puerto Rico)


Re: Insurance update US East Coast & Bahamas- Pantaenius US

Mark Erdos
 

Miles,

 

Glad to hear it worked out for you. But, it is a shame they put you through the wringer rather than just tell you up front what their issue was specifically regarding.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - San Blas Islands, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Miles
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 12:52 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Insurance update US East Coast & Bahamas- Pantaenius US

 

Hello Group,

For a change, I have some good news.  I had told the group that Pantaenius was not renewing my insurance and several of you gave me good advice in the frustrating search I have been on for the last 2 weeks.  Today, I found out that Pantaenius has an issue with my broker, not with me.  I phoned Pantaenius and they said they would be happy to continue covering me directly.  Panic over!! 

 I take the boat north for the summer, so the hurricane coverage was not a problem.

Thanks to everyone who tried to help me with this.

 

Miles

 

s/y Ladybug, sm216, Le Marin, Martinique


Re: Changing engine bearings Amel Mango Perkins 4.236

Frederic F
 

Hello Olivier,

thank you very much for your hint. We asked AMEL for the rubber mounts. Seems like if they can deliver them. The only thing we still didn‘t figure out is how the central big rubber is fixed to the bottom of the mount. Is there maybe a screw? Probably we will see how it works, when the mount is disabled. But would be nice to have an idea in advance. 

Danke dir!

Frederic


Re: Insurance update US East Coast & Bahamas- Pantaenius US

eric freedman
 

Hi Miles,
I am so happy that you were re-insured. I found it odd as they said they would be renewing my policy and not yours, however I always dealt direct.
Fair Winds,
Eric



On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 12:52 PM, Miles wrote:

Hello Group,

For a change, I have some good news.  I had told the group that Pantaenius was not renewing my insurance and several of you gave me good advice in the frustrating search I have been on for the last 2 weeks.  Today, I found out that Pantaenius has an issue with my broker, not with me.  I phoned Pantaenius and they said they would be happy to continue covering me directly.  Panic over!! 

 I take the boat north for the summer, so the hurricane coverage was not a problem.

Thanks to everyone who tried to help me with this.

 

Miles

 

s/y Ladybug, sm216, Le Marin, Martinique


Re: Insurance update US East Coast & Bahamas- Pantaenius US

Miles
 

Hello Group,

For a change, I have some good news.  I had told the group that Pantaenius was not renewing my insurance and several of you gave me good advice in the frustrating search I have been on for the last 2 weeks.  Today, I found out that Pantaenius has an issue with my broker, not with me.  I phoned Pantaenius and they said they would be happy to continue covering me directly.  Panic over!! 

 I take the boat north for the summer, so the hurricane coverage was not a problem.

Thanks to everyone who tried to help me with this.

 

Miles

 

s/y Ladybug, sm216, Le Marin, Martinique


Re: New Engine alignment in a SM

 

Graham,

Mounts, or alignment.

I believe that even if the mounts were in poor condition, a good alignment would likely result in no vibration.

Did the technician "eye the alignment" (most likely), use the Vetus Coupling to perform the alignment, or use a fixed coupling to perform the alignment (unlikely)? 

If he did not use a "Fixed Coupling," I suggest that you start over with new mounts and a fixed coupling, which can be machined there. I do not have an engineered drawing, but do have a drawing that a machinist can use. Possibly you can buy one at SAV"at"amel.fr. Install new mounts and align with the Fixed Coupling using feeler gauges N, S, E & W. If you did not already, you should have replaced the rubber donuts inside the coupling (inexpensive--$25USD--using Vetus kit K018).

I hope this helps you.

Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 7:26 AM Craig Briggs via Groups.Io <sangaris=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
The "C" drive is in two assemblies:
  • the upper unit (that is coupled to the engine transmission) weighs, I would estimate, about 80 pounds. Below the gearbox of this upper unit is what I recall Olivier calling the "trumpet" which has about a 3 inch  wide sleeve of neoprene-like gasket material around it where it engages the hull structure sealing the flange around the vertical drive shaft hole. Around that is the hose clamped to both the hull flange and the trumpet.
  • The upper unit is supported, then in three places: at both sides of the top by the steel cross members bolted to the engine angle iron stringers and by the trumpet resting on the hull with the gasket in between. None of its weight is carried by the keel.
  • The lower unit weighs, I'd estimate, about 50 pounds and is supported by the keel at the bolt. As I recall there were two washers (shims) under the lower unit on the bolt, plus a rubber sleeve and steel compression sleeve around the bolt. The top is sealed with silicone after the bolt is secured..
  • There is a lifting eye on the engine room overhead straight above the upper unit to facilitate removal and adjustment with a block and tackle. (Feel around inside the insulation.)
If your engineer replaced all the engine frame mounts I could see the possibility of the "C" drive being askew. If he just did the engine then it sounds like an issue with the engine-to-C drive coupling.

Good luck with it.
Craig SN68 Sangaris, Delray Beach, Fl


Re: New Engine alignment in a SM

Craig Briggs
 

The "C" drive is in two assemblies:
  • the upper unit (that is coupled to the engine transmission) weighs, I would estimate, about 80 pounds. Below the gearbox of this upper unit is what I recall Olivier calling the "trumpet" which has about a 3 inch  wide sleeve of neoprene-like gasket material around it where it engages the hull structure sealing the flange around the vertical drive shaft hole. Around that is the hose clamped to both the hull flange and the trumpet.
  • The upper unit is supported, then in three places: at both sides of the top by the steel cross members bolted to the engine angle iron stringers and by the trumpet resting on the hull with the gasket in between. None of its weight is carried by the keel.
  • The lower unit weighs, I'd estimate, about 50 pounds and is supported by the keel at the bolt. As I recall there were two washers (shims) under the lower unit on the bolt, plus a rubber sleeve and steel compression sleeve around the bolt. The top is sealed with silicone after the bolt is secured..
  • There is a lifting eye on the engine room overhead straight above the upper unit to facilitate removal and adjustment with a block and tackle. (Feel around inside the insulation.)
If your engineer replaced all the engine frame mounts I could see the possibility of the "C" drive being askew. If he just did the engine then it sounds like an issue with the engine-to-C drive coupling.

Good luck with it.
Craig SN68 Sangaris, Delray Beach, Fl


Piracy attemt between Genada and Trinidad

Mark Erdos
 

For those intending to summer in Trinidad:

 

https://safetyandsecuritynet.org/date-2019-04-04-1030-country-name-trinidad-tobago-location-detail-trinidad-hibiscus-gas-platform-event-attempted-piracy/

 

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - San Blas Islands, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 


Re: Changing engine bearings Amel Mango Perkins 4.236

Beaute Olivier
 

Hello Frederic,

these mounts were custom made by AMEL, from a home made steel frame and 6 rubber mounts with machine screw (steel).
The steel parts are probably in good condition. What you need to order (from AMEL) is the 5 small and one big rubber mounts that are bolted in the steel frame, and that you can see on the attached picture (Mango too). The big one is located under the vertical stud.

Viel Spass!

Olivier

On Thursday, April 18, 2019, 11:34:18 AM GMT+2, Conn Williamson <connwilliamson@...> wrote:


I did a couple of mine a few years ago now. I just took the the whole lot to an engineering shop. There is a big round rubber inside that square. 

On Thu., 18 Apr. 2019, 6:02 pm Frederic F, <fgf@...> wrote:
Hello everyone, hello amelowners,

we are new to this group and have a problem with our Mango, we want to change our engine bearings on the Perkins 4.236 because they are still the first ones and the engine is quite noisy. Does anybody have an idea where to get some spare or how we can easily manufacture some similar parts for replacing the old ones? 
Maybe someone replaced his bearings already. I have attached a picture of one of the bearings.

Thank you very much and all the best.

Frederic Fießer on Mango No. 14


Re: Changing engine bearings Amel Mango Perkins 4.236

Conn Williamson <connwilliamson@...>
 

I did a couple of mine a few years ago now. I just took the the whole lot to an engineering shop. There is a big round rubber inside that square. 


On Thu., 18 Apr. 2019, 6:02 pm Frederic F, <fgf@...> wrote:
Hello everyone, hello amelowners,

we are new to this group and have a problem with our Mango, we want to change our engine bearings on the Perkins 4.236 because they are still the first ones and the engine is quite noisy. Does anybody have an idea where to get some spare or how we can easily manufacture some similar parts for replacing the old ones? 
Maybe someone replaced his bearings already. I have attached a picture of one of the bearings.

Thank you very much and all the best.

Frederic Fießer on Mango No. 14


Re: New Engine alignment in a SM

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

hi Graham,

 I can't answer your questions on the C drive, but if the Beta is 80kg heavier I would look at  the issue of different mounts that you mention.

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Greece


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Graham Boyd via Groups.Io <crwggb@...>
Sent: 18 April 2019 06:42
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] New Engine alignment in a SM
 
I have just had a new Beta 60 fitted to my SM no 140. Everything is just great, performance exactly the same if not better than the old Volvo, with one exception.
 
There is a very slight vibration present which was not there before. This is the sort of vibration like a very small bit of rope on the prop, that only someone who has sailed a SM for many miles is going to detect. Visually the C drive would appear to have slightly more movement than before.
 
Unfortunately my engineer failed to take accurate measurements before disassembly of the old engine, so Amel have sent me their basic instructions for aligning the engine and C drive, what my engineer doesn't understand though is the following 
 
1 What is the weight of the C drive
 
2 Where is the weight of the C drive supported on the boat?
 Does it 
a. "hang" from the metal frame inside the boat supported by its 2 rubber mounts. (The positioning of the main engine mounts under the metal frame would suggest this may be the case so that weight is equally distributed between front and back mounts.)
OR
b. Is all its weight supported by its attachment at its base to the cast iron part of the keel?
 
Once we know this, alignment can be rechecked, perhaps a new coupling fitted and even slightly stiffer mounts fitted under the metal frame. the new engine is 80 kg heavier than the old.
 
If you have the time I look forward to your comments on this matter,
 
Best wishes 

Graham
SM140 Sula
Hong Kong


Changing engine bearings Amel Mango Perkins 4.236

Frederic F
 

Hello everyone, hello amelowners,

we are new to this group and have a problem with our Mango, we want to change our engine bearings on the Perkins 4.236 because they are still the first ones and the engine is quite noisy. Does anybody have an idea where to get some spare or how we can easily manufacture some similar parts for replacing the old ones? 
Maybe someone replaced his bearings already. I have attached a picture of one of the bearings.

Thank you very much and all the best.

Frederic Fießer on Mango No. 14


New Engine alignment in a SM

Graham Boyd
 

I have just had a new Beta 60 fitted to my SM no 140. Everything is just great, performance exactly the same if not better than the old Volvo, with one exception.
 
There is a very slight vibration present which was not there before. This is the sort of vibration like a very small bit of rope on the prop, that only someone who has sailed a SM for many miles is going to detect. Visually the C drive would appear to have slightly more movement than before.
 
Unfortunately my engineer failed to take accurate measurements before disassembly of the old engine, so Amel have sent me their basic instructions for aligning the engine and C drive, what my engineer doesn't understand though is the following 
 
1 What is the weight of the C drive
 
2 Where is the weight of the C drive supported on the boat?
 Does it 
a. "hang" from the metal frame inside the boat supported by its 2 rubber mounts. (The positioning of the main engine mounts under the metal frame would suggest this may be the case so that weight is equally distributed between front and back mounts.)
OR
b. Is all its weight supported by its attachment at its base to the cast iron part of the keel?
 
Once we know this, alignment can be rechecked, perhaps a new coupling fitted and even slightly stiffer mounts fitted under the metal frame. the new engine is 80 kg heavier than the old.
 
If you have the time I look forward to your comments on this matter,
 
Best wishes 

Graham
SM140 Sula
Hong Kong


Re: Plastic Bins for Heads

Dan Carlson
 

Thanks for that recco Thomas.  We are in the market for replacements also. 

It looks like a simple decision to me, unless the challenge was trying to agree on which finish Henri would have chosen versus which finish Kirsten wanted.

Best regards, Daniel Carlson on sv BeBe, SM #387



On Wed, Apr 17, 2019, 8:58 AM Thomas Kleman <lorient422@... wrote:
This was probably the most difficult sourcing project ever for me on SM 422. I spent hours and hours but settled on the simplehuman 4.5 liter round waste bin. It looks nicer than the old plastic one (it's metal) and so far has been durable. And it fits perfectly. Hope this helps.


Re: Plastic Bins for Heads

Thomas Kleman
 

This was probably the most difficult sourcing project ever for me on SM 422. I spent hours and hours but settled on the simplehuman 4.5 liter round waste bin. It looks nicer than the old plastic one (it's metal) and so far has been durable. And it fits perfectly. Hope this helps.


Re: Plastic Bins for Heads

mr_hermanns
 

David!

I too have this problem, and unable to source the originals.

Does anyone know of a good replacement brand/model?

#seekingnewtrashbinsforOGAmel

-Jer

--
Jeremy Hermanns - "Jer"
SVCerulean.com
Maramu #105
Marina Del Rey, CA


Re: Amel SM 2000 in the UK

Mark Barter
 

Hi Andrew,

We have booked 8 days in Girona from the 27th April to the 5th May.

We would love to come and see your Amel at your convenience.

This really is very kind of you.

Many thanks
Mark