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Re: Toilet flooding when sailing

 

Possibly yours is not an Amel original installation. 

All the SM Amel installed boats I have seen have anti-siphons for each of the electric toilet pumps which were mounted on the bulkhead. Possibly this is your issue.
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Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 2:57 PM Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:
Bill
There is no anti-siphon valve at all, our pumps are placed on the "floor" just in front of the Onan diesel as fare on the port side that is possible. from there the hoses go directly forward and aft to respectively toilets
Paul
SY Kerpa SM#259


Re: Toilet flooding when sailing

Paul Osterberg
 

Bill
There is no anti-siphon valve at all, our pumps are placed on the "floor" just in front of the Onan diesel as fare on the port side that is possible. from there the hoses go directly forward and aft to respectively toilets
Paul
SY Kerpa SM#259


Re: Toilet flooding when sailing

 

Paul,

I assume that you have original Jabsco "Not-So-Quiet" electric flush toilets.

I agree with Mark, and if you flushed correctly the water passing back into the toilet from a leaking joker valve would be clear. There is about 1.5 liters of flush water in the 2 pieces of hose (25mm and 38mm) that carry the flushed water to the top of the black water tank where it enters the tank.

One other point, if you are replacing the joker valve, be sure that you have a spare discharge port available. This plastic part is very delicate and breaks easily.
Discharge Port Jabsco #44107-1000
Joker Valve Jabsco #44106-1000

There is one other really obscure possibility:
Check to see if the anti-siphon on the toilet saltwater supply pump lines is not blocked with salt. This is located near the ceiling of the engine room above the grey water sump. Let me know what you find.

Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 12:02 PM Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:
The strange thing is that the water s clear. so I'm suspicious could it come through the salt water flushing pump does not make sens to me but... 
Paul


Re: Cables in SM Mast

 

Derick,

There are pull strings available that were installed by Amel. These pull strings have a piece of rubber tied to them about every 6 feet. The rubber was tied so that the strings did not wrap around themselves or other wires. Locate the strings at the base and top of the mast. Separate them and use one to pull from the inspection plate at the bottom of the mast to the top. You will find 3 strings at the base and 2 at the top. The reason is that 1 string goes to one of the spreaders...the bottom one, I think. The rubber pieces will give significant resistance...pull hard and the rubber pieces will pass through. 

Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 11:51 AM Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:
I changed our wind transducer last spring, it was very easy to pull the cable, our mast was down, but I guess that would not cause any problem to pull the cable with the mast in place. What we notice when in Sassafras River Chesapeake bay, was that it was a missive amounts of spiders invading the boat and built nests. One of the nest was somewhere in the mast, I thought the halyard was jammed but a firm pull and it came lose and something locking as a spider nest fell down on deck. birds and other animals also build nests and that can be a reason for the problem to pull out the cable
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259


Re: New sails

Ian Townsend
 

Two reasons. First, because it is too short. Second, the shape on ours is a little 'flat'. I find it hard to get an effective foil like shape because it doesn't 'cave' enough at the forward spot where there should be centre of lift. But I am not sure if this is required for in-mast furling.

Ian & Margaret
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153
Exumas, Bahamas

On May 21, 2019, at 1:04 PM, Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:

Thank's Ian
When you say not happy with the cut, do you only mean it is to short? Or the shape is also bad and it does not perform well?
Paul SY Kerpa SM#259


Re: New sails

Paul Osterberg
 

Thank's Ian
When you say not happy with the cut, do you only mean it is to short? Or the shape is also bad and it does not perform well?
Paul SY Kerpa SM#259


Re: Toilet flooding when sailing

Paul Osterberg
 

The strange thing is that the water s clear. so I'm suspicious could it come through the salt water flushing pump does not make sens to me but... 
Paul


Re: Toilet flooding when sailing

Mark Erdos
 

Paul,

 

While you are underway and the holding tank valve is open, sea water can push upward. This will cause added pressure in the tank and the air pressure in the tank will put backward pressure on your joker valve. You can either close the holding tank valve or replace the joker valve to solve your problem.

 

I am assuming the water in the toilet is smelly. The only other path for water is from the flush. It might be possible to have the contents of the flush hose empty into the toilet. This would be a one-time event until the toilet is flushed again. This can be solved by using the empty bowl option on the rocker switch and not putting more water into the hose.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Paul Osterberg
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2019 12:27 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Toilet flooding when sailing

 

Thank you Mark, i do not think that's the problem as after flushing, the water in the hose do not flow back to the bowl, and even if that would be the malfunction part it should not come in more water that is in the hose itself.
Paul


Re: New sails

Ian Townsend
 

We have both main and mizzen sails made by Incidences, new in 2013. I do not like the cut on the mainsail. It is  short of the masthead by over 30 cm (even with the foot raised). Mizzen is fine. And a small but annoying thing is the "Incidences" patch on both sails. They are not colour fast. The blue ink has leeched down onto the sail fabric. 

Ian & Margaret
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153
Exumas, Bahamas

On May 21, 2019, at 12:32 PM, Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:

We are in the market for new sails, and got a reasonable offer from Incidence sails in France made in Hydranet. They do not use foam luff which surprise me they claim and they should now. So to my question. Is there any of you who recently bought sails from Incidence? what is your experience with the sails? especially the head sails does it furl/reef well?
I guess they have a lot of experience in building/making sails for Amel SM
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259


Re: Cables in SM Mast

Paul Osterberg
 

I changed our wind transducer last spring, it was very easy to pull the cable, our mast was down, but I guess that would not cause any problem to pull the cable with the mast in place. What we notice when in Sassafras River Chesapeake bay, was that it was a missive amounts of spiders invading the boat and built nests. One of the nest was somewhere in the mast, I thought the halyard was jammed but a firm pull and it came lose and something locking as a spider nest fell down on deck. birds and other animals also build nests and that can be a reason for the problem to pull out the cable
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259


New sails

Paul Osterberg
 

We are in the market for new sails, and got a reasonable offer from Incidence sails in France made in Hydranet. They do not use foam luff which surprise me they claim and they should now. So to my question. Is there any of you who recently bought sails from Incidence? what is your experience with the sails? especially the head sails does it furl/reef well?
I guess they have a lot of experience in building/making sails for Amel SM
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259


Re: Toilet flooding when sailing

Paul Osterberg
 

Thank you Mark, i do not think that's the problem as after flushing, the water in the hose do not flow back to the bowl, and even if that would be the malfunction part it should not come in more water that is in the hose itself.
Paul


Cables in SM Mast

Derick Gates
 

Raymaine in the Azores is attempting to exchange the wind direction and speed cable on Brava. They are having difficulty pulling the old cable up. Are the cables all cabletied together? Do we need o disconnect and pull all of the cables at the same time?

They also are encountering a barrier about 2 meters down from the top of the mast when trying to put a new wire in place without removing the old wire. Did Amel run the cables through a pipe at certain points? 

Any knowledge would be appreciated. 

Derick Gates
Amel Super Maramu #400
Brava
+1(617)512-8834 cell


Re: Toilet flooding when sailing

Mark Erdos
 

Paul,

 

You probably need to replace the joker valve on the head. It is located past the pump but before the hose leading to the holding tank. You should find 3 screws there to access the valve. This is the valve that stops water flowing backward into the head.

 

joker valve.jpg.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Paul Osterberg
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2019 10:05 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Toilet flooding when sailing

 

We have noticed a strange ingress of water in our forward head bowl, when sailing with the wind in from SB, if there is any water left in the bowl, the bowl slowly fills with water, usually smal amount when the boats goes down in a wave or other vivid motion. If the bowl is totally empty no water coming in! I have no explanation to the behavior.  We have similar on the aft toilet but to much less extent. We always have the valve for emptying the holding tank open when at sea. but can't imagine how water can get in that way
Paul on SY Kerpa SM #259


Toilet flooding when sailing

Paul Osterberg
 

We have noticed a strange ingress of water in our forward head bowl, when sailing with the wind in from SB, if there is any water left in the bowl, the bowl slowly fills with water, usually smal amount when the boats goes down in a wave or other vivid motion. If the bowl is totally empty no water coming in! I have no explanation to the behavior.  We have similar on the aft toilet but to much less extent. We always have the valve for emptying the holding tank open when at sea. but can't imagine how water can get in that way
Paul on SY Kerpa SM #259


Re: Tidbits

Ian Park
 

I knew the steerboard origin but not all of the rest. Thanks Mark, I am going to copy and save that.
Ocean Hobo is currently anchored off Siel Island in Scotland - in the sun. We’re currently with the OCC Celtic Cruise with Bill And Laurie on Toodle Ooh.

Best wishes

Ian and Linda


Re: Now locker floor replacement

Gerald Bassin
 

Nice job !
On our SM #113 Jetlag, we managed to load up 100 gallons of water on the passage from Curaçao to Grenada due to a blocked drain in the chain locker.... We had a hatch already fitted in the port locker so it was not to hard to get down and cut an acces to the drain hole. Works fine now. We also installed a divider in the chain locker. Seems that the earlier units did not have it installed
Safe sailing
Gerald Bassin 
SV Jetlag


On 21 May 2019, at 02:13, Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra@...> wrote:

Aletes locker drain was also blocked. Pushing a fish (wire puller) up the drain pipe from the T in the foreword head bilge broke it loose. Water gushed out along with the mud and sand. Hose pressure through the holes in the anchor locker floor cleaned out the rest. 

Key to this was the access now afforded      through the port bow locker floor now completed. 

Mike Ondra
Aletes SM240
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On May 19, 2019, at 5:51 PM, Germain Jean-Pierre <jp.germain45@...> wrote:

Hi Gang,

I solved the problem by always using the chain wash (now fresh water on our boat) and at least once a year… doing a pressure wash in the chain well compartment.

Cheers from Fiji.

Jean-Pierre Germain, SY Eleuthera, SM 007


On 20 May 2019, at 09:45, Thomas Kleman <lorient422@...> wrote:

Mike- your floor looks great. I know how hard it is to cut and refine that shape. On L'ORIENT my chain locker bilge (under that glassed in perforated grate at the bottom of the chain locker) was hoplessly clogged. I ended up cutting an access port in it so I could vacuum it out periodically.....it drains fine now Wondering if other people have this problem or I just pick muddier places to anchor than most.....the actual outlet underneath there is about 15mm above the bottom and offset.


Re: Now locker floor replacement

eric freedman
 

Very nice work,

Congratulations.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ondra via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 8:14 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Now locker floor replacement

 

Aletes locker drain was also blocked. Pushing a fish (wire puller) up the drain pipe from the T in the foreword head bilge broke it loose. Water gushed out along with the mud and sand. Hose pressure through the holes in the anchor locker floor cleaned out the rest. 

 

Key to this was the access now afforded      through the port bow locker floor now completed. 

 

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM240

image1.jpeg


On May 19, 2019, at 5:51 PM, Germain Jean-Pierre <jp.germain45@...> wrote:

Hi Gang,

 

I solved the problem by always using the chain wash (now fresh water on our boat) and at least once a year… doing a pressure wash in the chain well compartment.

 

Cheers from Fiji.

 

Jean-Pierre Germain, SY Eleuthera, SM 007

 



On 20 May 2019, at 09:45, Thomas Kleman <lorient422@...> wrote:

 

Mike- your floor looks great. I know how hard it is to cut and refine that shape. On L'ORIENT my chain locker bilge (under that glassed in perforated grate at the bottom of the chain locker) was hoplessly clogged. I ended up cutting an access port in it so I could vacuum it out periodically.....it drains fine now Wondering if other people have this problem or I just pick muddier places to anchor than most.....the actual outlet underneath there is about 15mm above the bottom and offset.

 


Re: Now locker floor replacement

Mike Ondra
 

Aletes locker drain was also blocked. Pushing a fish (wire puller) up the drain pipe from the T in the foreword head bilge broke it loose. Water gushed out along with the mud and sand. Hose pressure through the holes in the anchor locker floor cleaned out the rest. 

Key to this was the access now afforded      through the port bow locker floor now completed. 

Mike Ondra
Aletes SM240
image1.jpeg


On May 19, 2019, at 5:51 PM, Germain Jean-Pierre <jp.germain45@...> wrote:

Hi Gang,

I solved the problem by always using the chain wash (now fresh water on our boat) and at least once a year… doing a pressure wash in the chain well compartment.

Cheers from Fiji.

Jean-Pierre Germain, SY Eleuthera, SM 007


On 20 May 2019, at 09:45, Thomas Kleman <lorient422@...> wrote:

Mike- your floor looks great. I know how hard it is to cut and refine that shape. On L'ORIENT my chain locker bilge (under that glassed in perforated grate at the bottom of the chain locker) was hoplessly clogged. I ended up cutting an access port in it so I could vacuum it out periodically.....it drains fine now Wondering if other people have this problem or I just pick muddier places to anchor than most.....the actual outlet underneath there is about 15mm above the bottom and offset.


Re: Tidbits

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Nice one Mark!! Sorry we missed meeting you guys by not very far. We came through Panama two weeks ago and are now in Ecuador.
Best regards
Colin & Lauren on SV Island Pearl II, sm#332

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 3:02 PM Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

(not sure where I found this so as to give credit where due)

 

 

Ever wonder where the terms port (left) and starboard (right) came from?

 

Ships used to have their rudders affixed to the right side, and this was the side they steered from. 'Starboard' is a corruption of 'steorbord' or 'steer-board.' In fact, the word 'steer' comes from the Old Norse 'stýri' meaning rudder.

 

When pulling into port, ships approached with the land on their left side to avoid damaging the rudder. This is why that side is called 'port side.' It was originally called 'larboard,' derived from 'load-board' (the side you load cargo on), but they decided that the term sounded too similar to 'starboard' and changed it.

 

When two ships crossed paths, the one on the right side had the right-of-way (hence the name). Since ships often passed in the dark of night, they needed a way to determine the location and orientation of other vessels. So, they affixed a red light to left (port) side and a green light to the right (starboard) side.

 

If the red light of the other ship was visible, it meant that their left side was facing you, thus they were on the right, and that you should yield to them. If their green light was visible, then you were the one with the right-of-way. This is where we get our modern traffic signal colors: red means stop and green means go. This same color system is still used today on aircraft.

 

If you have trouble keeping it all straight, remember that port wine is red, and that there's never any left in the morning. Incidentally, port wine is named after the Portuguese seaport city of Porto, from which it was originally exported. All three of those uses of port that I just boldfaced are derived from the Latin word 'portus' meaning 'harbor.'

 

Now you know.

 

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Panama

www.creampuff.us

 



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Colin Streeter
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