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Re: Silicone BT seals

karkauai
 

I need instructions on orientation of the bow thruster seals designed by Jose. I have a set, but haven't installed them yet.  Have others installed them with similar success as Jose has had?

Are there pics or schematic of them in place?

Thanks
Kent
SM 243
Kristy

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Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243


Re: Mainsheet Traveller replacement on an early Super Maramu

Mark Barter
 

On Mon, May 31, 2021 at 03:32 PM, Bill Kinney wrote:
Hi Bill,
That is very helpful. 

I am sure that the previous owner fitted this car and I also think he devised a way of fitting it without removing the track. The problem is that I don't know how he did it and I can't contact him. 

With regard to cutting the track, what I was thinking of doing is cutting the track about 15cm from the end with a multitool and then just removing the screws from the shorter part. The shorter part can then be removed. Once the car had been replaced or repaired I would refit the shorter part. 

Your advice regarding removal of the screws is excellent. I will try that when I am back at the boat.

Thank you for time on this.
 
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Mark & Nicky Barter
S/V Nunky
SM 110


Re: Mainsheet Traveller replacement on an early Super Maramu

Bill Kinney
 

The original on our boat, (looks like the other photos posted) was made by Antal.  It doesn’t match exactly traveler cars in the current catalog, but in our experience with other parts, Antal has some of these older things they made for OEM still in stock, if not actually in production.  Contact the local distributor with dimensions and photos, including dimensions for the track.If you are not in Italy, it can take a while for the communications to go back and forth.

If the stainless steel loop is the part that broke, (most likely failure point) that can be replaced in place.  No need to remove the car from the track. Do this if at all possible.  While you have the car apart, it a good time to clean and inspect the sheaves.

I’d try very hard not to cut this track. Losing length would limit the utility of the traveler, and while it’s not much, every little thing adds up. On our boat, we have to lift the track to replace the outhaul car on the main boom.  We found we did not have to remove the whole thing, it was surprisingly flexible

Pulling screws like this should be a routine maintenance thing, every few years. SOMEDAY it will need to be done, and it will never get any easier! Previous owners of our boat did this, and reinstalled them with a good lubricant.  With the right tools we have never had any trouble getting them out.

The right tool starts with a proper sized bit.  Older SMs used all slot drive screws, and exact size bits for these large screws can be hard to find, but are essential to do it right.  The bit needs to have a blade the full width of the screw head, and be a good tight fit. I have these in 1/2 inch impact drive.  If it is not a good fit, the head will mangle before full torque can be applied.  Sometimes you can have better luck finding these in really large sizes by searching for “drag link sockets”

I start with a breaker bar, if that doesn’t turn, I’ll go with an extension. If you go to the extension, it can be a two person job.  One holding the bit straight down in the screw, while the other applies the torque. You can use a 1/2” ratchet instead of the breaker bar, but you’ll risk damaging it with an extension.  Steady, smooth torque—slowly increasing—is the best way to break them free and will minimize risk of breaking the bolt.

If hand torque doesn’t get me anywhere, I have resorted to using an impact wrench, but that does increase the chance of breaking something.

Bill Kinney
S/V Harmonie
Hollywood Florida, 
(headed to the Bahamas in a day or two...)


Re: Rebuilding the main furler worm gear box...seal orientation

Brian Gifford
 

Hey Kent, 

I would say to keep them in the original orientation (spring in) and to remove the RTV from the pitting and put in JB weld to fill the pitting. Then come in and smooth it carefully back to the original level with 180-grit or finer sandpaper to the original level. I have done this before on other aluminum casting and met with more success than with other filler options. The issue I have had previously was that the aluminum would continue to corrode under things like RTV. If you come in and remove the RTV with a small carbide burr in a dremel tool then fill with JB weld it will seal the air and water out of the porosity and give a much longer lasting seal. 

I would also recommend to check the shaft diameter with calipers and verify that the seal Inner dimension is at least 1mm smaller than the shaft diameter so that the lips have good positive force against the shaft which will prevent water intrusion. 

On my Maramu I filled the area on the outside of the gearbox (where the plastic mounting ring sits) with waterproof grease to help keep water from pooling around the shaft and causing corrosion of the shaft. My shafts were very bad around the seal to the point that I had to buy new gearboxes which will be installed when I return to my boat this fall.


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Brian Gifford
Maramu #243
"Jamesby"
Windward/ Leeward Is.


Re: Running rigging

 

I have a list if you want it. 

brouse@...

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   


On Sun, May 30, 2021, 9:24 PM Bryce Procter via groups.io <Balibryce=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi,

Currently waiting out the pandemic in Pangkor Malaysia and trying to make the most of the downtime by bringing forward some refit work. Next project is to replace all running rigging. Any suggestions or is there a company that does packages based on your hull # such as Acmo does for standing rigging?

Cheers

Bryce Procter
SM 2000 # 467


Re: Mainsheet Traveller replacement on an early Super Maramu

Jarek Zemlo
 

Hello Mark & Nicky

below attached pictures of the traveller from my SM201 (original traveller installed by AMEL)

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Jarek
SY NOA BLUE
SM 201


Re: What is this for

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

That is your Original Espar Heater temperature sensor.  


Sincerely, Alexandre (formally SM2K #289 NIKIMAT)



On Monday, May 31, 2021, 06:44:31 AM CDT, Slavko Despotovic <slavko@...> wrote:


Hi,

no idea what is this for. Is it original from Amel?

Thank you for help.
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Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Portoroz


What is this for

Slavko Despotovic
 

Hi,

no idea what is this for. Is it original from Amel?

Thank you for help.
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Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Portoroz


Re: Mainsheet Traveller replacement on an early Super Maramu

Alain Blanchard
 

Dear Mark 

This is the One I have on m’y SM 146/1995
Alain


Envoyé de mon iPhone

Le 30 mai 2021 à 15:43, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> a écrit :


I may be wrong, but that car does not look like the original car I remember on early SMs. Maybe someone with an early SM can confirm or correct me.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 8:35 AM Mark Barter <markbarter100@...> wrote:
Unfortunately the mainsheet traveller on our Super Maramu has snapped. Luckily there was hardly any wind and the problem was easily contained.

I have attached a photo of the traveller car. On our boat the previous owner made so many changes that it isn't always possible to be sure whether a particular feature is original or not. I suspect the traveller set up isn't original because the ends aren't slotted onto the track properly. It looks like they were not installed at the same time as the track. I also suspect that the traveller car isn't original or it has been modified.

Anyway, I need to remove the car and the only way I can see to do that without removing the track is by cutting the track at one end. Removing the track will be a nightmare because there are 30 bolts with flat screwdriver heads. I have tried a few and some will need drilling out.

If anyone has any experience of this problem how did you solve it? Also, can anyone provide details of a suitable replacement?

Many thanks
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Mark & Nicky Barter
S/V Nunky
SM 110


Running rigging

Bryce Procter
 

Hi,

Currently waiting out the pandemic in Pangkor Malaysia and trying to make the most of the downtime by bringing forward some refit work. Next project is to replace all running rigging. Any suggestions or is there a company that does packages based on your hull # such as Acmo does for standing rigging?

Cheers

Bryce Procter
SM 2000 # 467


Re: Downwind sailing on Amel 54 and storm jibs

Sv Garulfo
 



I don’t know how people use their poles, but we have twin poles on our 54 and we never need much muscle power to set the one stored along the mast. 

We lower it with the winch, secure it against the staysail while it rests on the pulpit. Pass the lines. Raise it a bit, detach it from the staysail, swing it aft. Tension the various lines and finally tension the halyard. As always, it’s easier with 2 people but manageable singlehanded. 

The secondary pole, stored on the deck is more work, for sure. We used it during our Atlantic crossing in twin pole configuration. We set them before we left the Canaries and removed them after arriving in Barbados. We extended the genoa sheets to be able to use it with either pole without having to move the poles forward. Perhaps unconventionally, we also passed the gennaker sheets the same way to be able to use either of the twin sails on either side. We were able to run downwind 30° off DDW either side. 

I think our A54 was originally rigged with the 3 groove furling tube for genoa/ballooner twin sailing, but i suspect the previous owner had to abandon it when he upgraded the furler to a Reckmann, that may not have been compatible with that tube... shame. I know a55 have Reckmann furlers, but did Amel rig some of those with the 3 groove tube?

Regarding storm jib, a tiny bit of main sail, being forward of the keel, would also do, i suspect. 

Hope that helps

Thomas
GARULFO 
A54-122
Tahiti, French Polynesia 






On 30 May 2021, at 03:48, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

BTW, in support of the SM owners, yesterday I was training a crew new to a SM. A small young lady set the pole of the Starboard side. I sincerely doubt that she could have set a 54 or 55 pole. When I was sailing from the Canary Islands to Martinique with about 6 Amels, the only Amel that finished ahead of us was an Amel 55. It finished 1 hour ahead of us but should have been much quicker. The two small ladies could not set the pole. And BTW another SM finished 3rd and was about 1/2 mile behind us aboard BeBe, SM 387.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Sat, May 29, 2021 at 8:51 PM Courtney Gorman via groups.io <Itsfun1=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Yes it’s heavier but as 60 year old no problem to handle 


On May 29, 2021, at 7:17 PM, Paul Harries via groups.io <Pharries=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:


I get the impression the 54 pole is heavier than a pair of SM poles? Is that the case? Is it over engineered? I would have thought a lighter pole might be a solution. Rather break a pole than the mast.



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Paul Harries
Prospective Amel Buyer


Re: Velox plus

Patrick McAneny
 

Alan,
 Yea, I used prop speed last time and it worked pretty well after a couple of years and 5000 miles. But, I have a can of Velox and is it worth using ,or should I spend $300 on more prop speed ,or there something out there that works well .I didn't have good luck with Velox , but it may have been a bad application,that why I am asking if anyone had good experience with it. Must feel good to be back on your boat, I think there is many owners that have had a long separation from their boat and sailing. I know I have ,about 1 1/2 yrs. ,boat back in the water very soon !
Enjoy,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Leslie <s.v.elyse@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Sun, May 30, 2021 6:23 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Velox plus

!4 months in the water without moving at all.



Propspeed - that's pretty impressive....

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Velox plus

Alan Leslie
 

!4 months in the water without moving at all.



Propspeed - that's pretty impressive....

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Velox plus

Arnold Mente
 

The Shipyard did the job according Velox, sanding, primer and I think 2 coats.
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Arnold
SY Zephyr SM203


Re: Velox plus

Patrick McAneny
 

Arnold, Did you sand your prop with 80 grit? I hate to do that to a new prop,seems a bit drastic ,but maybe that is why it did not work well before. 
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Arnold Mente via groups.io <Arnold.mente@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Sun, May 30, 2021 3:45 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Velox plus

My experiance last year war very good with Velox, 6 month in water, nothing on it, will see how is the next season. Now need new Antifouling for he hull. Sailed 1500 NM.
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Arnold
SY Zephyr SM203


Re: Velox plus

Arnold Mente
 

My experiance last year war very good with Velox, 6 month in water, nothing on it, will see how is the next season. Now need new Antifouling for he hull. Sailed 1500 NM.
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Arnold
SY Zephyr SM203


Anchor Watch/Security Alarm/Cell Phone

karkauai
 

Thanks again to Mark and Joerg for the security and anchor alarm info.  I'll check them out. 
 Kristy did go astray at anchor in St Pierre, Martinique when I was ashore, after staying aboard for 18 hours because it took several tries to set the hook.  I've since switched to a 40kg Rocna and am more confidant, but seeing your girl floating a km offshore in 600 ft of water leaves a lasting impression.  I may have to get another cell phone and use it as the boat half of an anchor watch pair.  

If you haven't discovered the GoogleFi cell phone, check it out. It works in 250 countries with no international charges for data.  About $75US for unlimited data that throttles you after 22Gigs.

Kent & Iris
Kristy
SM 243

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Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243


Re: For those that missed the first procurement of Rub Rails

Patrick McAneny
 

Mark, My boat is only 13 boats newer than yours and the insert would be the same. However the reason I originally opted to have the inserts made here in the US. was due to the cost of shipping from France to the US. , Amel is closer to you in the UK. and the shipping may be less than from here ,but then again ,I think the cost of production or retail price was lower here. Anyone closer to  Amel in France may want to consider which source would be cheaper when price,shipping and taxes are taken into account. It is always good to support Amel after service when feasible.
Good Luck,
Pat
SM Shenanigans

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Barter <markbarter100@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Sun, May 30, 2021 4:46 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] For those that missed the first procurement of Rub Rails

Hi Ken,

Our Super Maramu is from 1993 but I assume the rub rails didn't change when the 2k was brought out.

We would be interested.

1.  Aquarius SM2K#262, Ken Powers,  USA Nevada, but need to know weight because I will take them on a flight to Thailand.
2.  Solitude SM2K#461,  Mike & PETA,  EU
3. Nunky Super Maramu #110, Mark Barter, UK
4.
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8.
9.
10.

Thanks for your work on this project. It is much appreciated.

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Mark & Nicky Barter
S/V Nunky
SM 110


Rebuilding the main furler worm gear box...seal orientation

karkauai
 

Hi All,
I'm rebuilding my gearbox for the electric furler on the Mainsail.  Not the manual furler gearbox, but the one attached to the motor.
I just did this a year ago, and there's water in it again.  The shaft seemed smooth, and the race for the two upper lip seals was slightly pitted, so I used RTV sealant.

I'm pretty sure the recommendation is to orient the seals so that they keep grease IN (ie with the springs facing toward the gears), but I'm thinking about orienting the two upper seals, or maybe just the outer one, with the springs facing up to keep water out.  I don't think there should be any issue with the grease coming out of the top of the gearbox.

Anyone ever try this?  Thoughts?  One seal or two turned around? Or leave as is and do something else?

Thanks in advance.

Stay Safe
Have Fun
Sail Fast
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Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243
Still in St Michaels, MD, USA, hoping to sail to Maine this summer, but just discovered the forward head holding tank leaking around the copper discharge pipe...UGH!!!  Glad to see all the previous posts about how to fix it. 


Re: Downwind sailing on Amel 54 and storm jibs

 

BTW, in support of the SM owners, yesterday I was training a crew new to a SM. A small young lady set the pole of the Starboard side. I sincerely doubt that she could have set a 54 or 55 pole. When I was sailing from the Canary Islands to Martinique with about 6 Amels, the only Amel that finished ahead of us was an Amel 55. It finished 1 hour ahead of us but should have been much quicker. The two small ladies could not set the pole. And BTW another SM finished 3rd and was about 1/2 mile behind us aboard BeBe, SM 387.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Sat, May 29, 2021 at 8:51 PM Courtney Gorman via groups.io <Itsfun1=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Yes it’s heavier but as 60 year old no problem to handle 


On May 29, 2021, at 7:17 PM, Paul Harries via groups.io <Pharries=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:


I get the impression the 54 pole is heavier than a pair of SM poles? Is that the case? Is it over engineered? I would have thought a lighter pole might be a solution. Rather break a pole than the mast.



--
Paul Harries
Prospective Amel Buyer

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