Re: Standing rigging on 54
Hi Bill and AMEL friends, I will be in Sicily (Marina di Ragusa) next winter and I will E-mail Nicky asking him for some Rigging work. Is there any other AMEL staying nearby in Sicily next winter, who is interested for a rigging check or some work with Nicky? Best regards Ruedi "SY WASABI" Amel 54. #55 Currently in Methoni, Greece Von: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> Antworten an: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> Datum: Dienstag, 11. Juni 2019 um 16:07 An: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> Betreff: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Standing rigging on 54 "Nicky" from Malta is what you meant to say. I always recommend Nicky Samut in Malta for any Med rigging issues. I suspect that Nicky has a lot of air miles. During the winter season he will be in Sicily at least 2 weeks working on rigging. He has also upgraded Bamar furlers. And, Nicky is a Yacht School Preferred Vendor, the only rigger in Europe selected as a rigging Preferred Vendor. Contact: nickysail"at"hotmail.com. BTW, Nicky has sailed/crewed on most all Amel models, including a 64. Best, CW Bill Rouse Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners www.YachtSchool.us 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Tue, Jun 11, 2019, 7:44 AM Roque <ediroque@...> wrote:
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Re: Bow thruster seals
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Hi Jose, Well done for finding a solution to your leak problem. However your comment about the wear from use has triggered this question. Do you have the Amel designed retrofit anti twist system. This is a vertical 25 mm tube mounted beside the thruster. There is a bracket mounted on top the thruster motor that engages with this. The Amel service agent in Fort Lauderdale (his name escapes me) told me he had a lot of work fitting these in the 2000's Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
On 14 June 2019 at 05:32 "Jose Venegas via Groups.Io" <josegvenegas@...> wrote:
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Re: Bow thruster seals
Patrick McAneny
Jose, Please put me down for one set .
Pat McAneny
14109 3rd. Ave.
Kennedyville, Md.21645
Thank You,
Pat SM Shenanigans
PS I may be sailing by Boston in July,do you live aboard ? May anchor there and save the postage.
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From: Jose Venegas via Groups.Io <josegvenegas@...> To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> Sent: Thu, Jun 13, 2019 1:32 pm Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bow thruster seals Danny,
I understand very well how the system SHOULD work and, if everything is new, the seals should work as designed. Unfortunately, wear can change the system and, in my case nothing worked to stop the leak, including several adjustments of cable tension, and increasing compression by the pin. As I said in my previous e-mails, I believe the problem occurs because the wear of the surfaces between the hull and the thruster that guide its motion result in a misalignment between the trunk and the seal, causing a lateral force on the lip seal which makes it incompetent allowing water intake. The misalignment also results in the sealing surfaces between the donut seals and the hull are no longer parallel affecting its sealing action. Following Amel instructions and wasting seals, money and time I realized that the problem could be corrected by designing a seal that would be made of a softer material and have lips that could maintain the seal in the presence of misalignment. That solved the problem 3 years ago and I have had a dry bilge ever since.!! In my design, I used two seals in series: a silicone wiper below and a silicone u-cup on top. This results in a slight protrusion of the seal above the horizontal fiberglass surface, as it can be seen in the pix I sent before. I used silicone glue to secure the seals in place and was planning to add washers to secure them to the fiberglass, but after several months of procrastination, I realized that the glue was sufficient to keep the seals in place. 3 years later, using the thruster twice per week, almost every week during 6 months each summer, including a Marion to Bermuda race the seals are still working as new. Since I add silicone grease to the trunk every year and, given the number of times (~50/year) that I use the thruster, I am expecting that they will last a very long time. So far I have serviced the thruster every year but have decided not to change any of the seals, including the donut seals, which looked in excellent condition. I just received the quote from the seal manufacturer and it is as follows: 10 pcs. Silicone wiper $ 31.65ea.
10 pcs. Silicone u-cup $ 32.50ea.
This it will be about $65 per set plus shipment and It will take 14-17 business days to ship from the order so far I have received requests from: Bob Ross, sv Nomad, Trinidad (1 set) Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Greece (?sets) Chuck_Kim_Joy (? sets) Steve Davis Aloha SM72 Ko Olina, Hawaii (? sets)
Mark, Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 (? sets) Dan Taylor (2 sets) Gerald Bassin Jetlag, SM113 (2 sets)
Since I want to place the order this week I will appreciate if each of you can e-mail me directly with your e-mail, the number of sets you want and the address two where it should be shipped. We still need to figure out the cost of shipping to each one of you and how you will transfer me the money, but given that is something we can figure out later. Jose Ipanema SM2k 278, Boston
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Re: Bow thruster seals
ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
Hi Jose,
Thanks very much for doing this. I would like to buy two sets. My home address is Ian Jenkins, 39, Sheen Common Drive, Richmond England TW10 5BW
You may want to send your payment details to my home email which is penazen@...
Many thanks,
Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Greece
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Stephen Davis <flyboyscd@...>
Sent: 13 June 2019 17:49 To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bow thruster seals Hi Jose,
I’d like to get 2 sets. Thanks again for doing this for the group. When you figure out how you would like to be paid, let me know.
Regards,
Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72
Ko Olina, Hawaii
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Re: Bow thruster seals
Stephen Davis
Hi Jose, I’d like to get 2 sets. Thanks again for doing this for the group. When you figure out how you would like to be paid, let me know. Regards, Steve Davis Aloha SM 72 Ko Olina, Hawaii
On Jun 13, 2019, at 12:32, Jose Venegas via Groups.Io <josegvenegas@...> wrote:
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Re: Bow thruster seals
Hi Jose,
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Please add me to your list. I’d like 2 sets, too. I’ll be in Maryland USA until November. Thank you for doing this. If they can ship directly to me the address is 7025 Thorneton Rd Easton MD 21601 If you take the whole shipment and ship them yourself, don’t estimate the cost of shipping...I made that mistake with the door handles :-) Kent Robertson
On Jun 13, 2019, at 1:32 PM, Jose Venegas via Groups.Io <josegvenegas@...> wrote:
Danny, I understand very well how the system SHOULD work and, if everything is new, the seals should work as designed. Unfortunately, wear can change the system and, in my case nothing worked to stop the leak, including several adjustments of cable tension, and increasing compression by the pin. As I said in my previous e-mails, I believe the problem occurs because the wear of the surfaces between the hull and the thruster that guide its motion result in a misalignment between the trunk and the seal, causing a lateral force on the lip seal which makes it incompetent allowing water intake. The misalignment also results in the sealing surfaces between the donut seals and the hull are no longer parallel affecting its sealing action. Following Amel instructions and wasting seals, money and time I realized that the problem could be corrected by designing a seal that would be made of a softer material and have lips that could maintain the seal in the presence of misalignment. That solved the problem 3 years ago and I have had a dry bilge ever since.!! In my design, I used two seals in series: a silicone wiper below and a silicone u-cup on top. This results in a slight protrusion of the seal above the horizontal fiberglass surface, as it can be seen in the pix I sent before. I used silicone glue to secure the seals in place and was planning to add washers to secure them to the fiberglass, but after several months of procrastination, I realized that the glue was sufficient to keep the seals in place. 3 years later, using the thruster twice per week, almost every week during 6 months each summer, including a Marion to Bermuda race the seals are still working as new. Since I add silicone grease to the trunk every year and, given the number of times (~50/year) that I use the thruster, I am expecting that they will last a very long time. So far I have serviced the thruster every year but have decided not to change any of the seals, including the donut seals, which looked in excellent condition. I just received the quote from the seal manufacturer and it is as follows: 10 pcs. Silicone wiper $ 31.65ea. 10 pcs. Silicone u-cup $ 32.50ea. This it will be about $65 per set plus shipment and It will take 14-17 business days to ship from the order so far I have received requests from: Bob Ross, sv Nomad, Trinidad (1 set) Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Greece (?sets) Chuck_Kim_Joy (? sets) Steve Davis Aloha SM72 Ko Olina, Hawaii (? sets)
Mark, Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 (? sets) Dan Taylor (2 sets) Gerald Bassin Jetlag, SM113 (2 sets)
Since I want to place the order this week I will appreciate if each of you can e-mail me directly with your e-mail, the number of sets you want and the address two where it should be shipped. We still need to figure out the cost of shipping to each one of you and how you will transfer me the money, but given that is something we can figure out later. Jose Ipanema SM2k 278, Boston
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Re: Bow thruster seals
Jose Venegas
Danny,
I understand very well how the system SHOULD work and, if everything is new, the seals should work as designed. Unfortunately, wear can change the system and, in my case nothing worked to stop the leak, including several adjustments of cable tension, and increasing compression by the pin. As I said in my previous e-mails, I believe the problem occurs because the wear of the surfaces between the hull and the thruster that guide its motion result in a misalignment between the trunk and the seal, causing a lateral force on the lip seal which makes it incompetent allowing water intake. The misalignment also results in the sealing surfaces between the donut seals and the hull are no longer parallel affecting its sealing action. Following Amel instructions and wasting seals, money and time I realized that the problem could be corrected by designing a seal that would be made of a softer material and have lips that could maintain the seal in the presence of misalignment. That solved the problem 3 years ago and I have had a dry bilge ever since.!! In my design, I used two seals in series: a silicone wiper below and a silicone u-cup on top. This results in a slight protrusion of the seal above the horizontal fiberglass surface, as it can be seen in the pix I sent before. I used silicone glue to secure the seals in place and was planning to add washers to secure them to the fiberglass, but after several months of procrastination, I realized that the glue was sufficient to keep the seals in place. 3 years later, using the thruster twice per week, almost every week during 6 months each summer, including a Marion to Bermuda race the seals are still working as new. Since I add silicone grease to the trunk every year and, given the number of times (~50/year) that I use the thruster, I am expecting that they will last a very long time. So far I have serviced the thruster every year but have decided not to change any of the seals, including the donut seals, which looked in excellent condition. I just received the quote from the seal manufacturer and it is as follows: 10 pcs. Silicone wiper $ 31.65ea. 10 pcs. Silicone u-cup $ 32.50ea. This it will be about $65 per set plus shipment and It will take 14-17 business days to ship from the order so far I have received requests from: Bob Ross, sv Nomad, Trinidad (1 set) Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Greece (?sets) Chuck_Kim_Joy (? sets) Steve Davis Aloha SM72 Ko Olina, Hawaii (? sets)
Mark, Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 (? sets) Dan Taylor (2 sets) Gerald Bassin Jetlag, SM113 (2 sets)
Since I want to place the order this week I will appreciate if each of you can e-mail me directly with your e-mail, the number of sets you want and the address two where it should be shipped. We still need to figure out the cost of shipping to each one of you and how you will transfer me the money, but given that is something we can figure out later. Jose Ipanema SM2k 278, Boston
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Re: gross and net tonnage
Pat, Based on USCG Form 5397, Application for Simplified Measurement, CARA is documented 26 GRT and 23 NRT. Denise SM #440 CARA Deale, MD, USA Denise McGovern mcgovern.denise@...
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gross and net tonnage
Patrick McAneny
I am getting ready to renew my C.G. documentation and I want to correct the stated tonnage ,which is wrong and overstated. While in the Caribbean this year we overcharged upon entry based on the tonnage . My gross is shown to be 58GRT and net is shown to be 46NRT. Could someone tell me the correct numbers for a SM registered in the US. This is the second time down there and have probably paid well over a hundred more than we should have,I should have taken care of this years ago. Once we were with another SM checking in to BVI and we paid significantly more to customs, because they had much lower tonnage.
Thanks, Pat SM Shenanigans #123
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Re: Furling motor brushes
James Cromie
Thanks Mark and Kelly for confirming.
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-James
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Re: Furling motor brushes
Mark McGovern
James,
The SPR-A007 brush fit perfectly in both my main furler motor and outhaul motor. The link on the Eurton website says "A005" in the hyperlink for some reason but the correct part number is SPR-A007. -- Mark McGovern SM #440 Cara Deale, MD USA
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Re: Furling motor brushes
Kelly Ran
James-- the part number is SPR-A007. The Eurton website has an incorrect URL, which is why I used a hyperlink in my initial email. If you click on the link, you'll see that the page is for the 007 brush. -kelly
On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 11:47 AM James Cromie via Groups.Io <jamescromie=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: Furling motor brushes
James Cromie
Mark - you used the A005 brush, and not the A007 from Eurton? I believe someone else posted using the A007 for the Leroy Somer motor, but it looks like yours fit perfectly.
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Could you confirm that it is indeed the A005 that you used? By the way, the genoa toe pulleys look nice on my boat! I’m about to try them out. Many Thanks. James SV Soteria SM2K 347
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Re: Battery temp monitor and alarm
rossirossix4
I am curious about the loudness of the alarm. I have the model that Bill posted, and mounted down by the battery switches. The alarm is not very loud and I think would not be noticed while motoring. We observe frequently but a loud alarm would be good.
Bob, KAIMI SM 429
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Re: Standing rigging on 54
Mohammad Shirloo
Good morning Barry;
We will be in Gouvia marina. Nicky is only flying to Corfu and figuring the time required to complete the work that we have laid out for him. If you think you will need some work done, it would be best to contact Nicky directly so he can figure the time
required for the items you have also and book his flights accordingly. This is high season for him and he is very busy so the sooner you can let him know, the better.
Respectfully;
Mohammad and Aty
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Re: Standing rigging on 54
Hi Mohammed,
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We will be in Corfu around this time. Which marina are you going to be in? Not sure if I need anything but might think of something that should be checked. I do need to replace my mast pad which I have onboard. Still waiting on AMEL Hyeres for my new 10mm bow furler stem connection, my boat was one the few installed with the 6mm furler stem. Best Barry and Penny “Lady Penelope II” Amel 54. #17 In Preveza tonight
On Jun 12, 2019, at 08:40, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
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Re: New Furling Motor
Stefano Biffi
Thanks for sharing I had same problem
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Stefano N’EVEREST Super Maramu 185 Italy
Il giorno 13 giu 2019, alle ore 04:06, Alan Leslie <s.v.elyse@...> ha scritto:
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New Furling Motor
The replacement Leroy Somer motor, LSMBT82, supplied by Amel to SM owners is slightly smaller in diameter than the original.
I had to space out the black ring to get it to fit. HOWEVER, after a visit to Amel in La Rochelle last week, I discovered there is a black spacer for the motor cover that fits this new smaller motor. The part no. is 01994 - Collerette Capot Moteur LSMBT82 Eu40,06 Cheers Alan Elyse SM437
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Re: Water tank overfill, companionway ladder, galley sink drain hose
Hi Eric,
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Where the companionway door slides down into the slot behind the companionway ladder, the bottom of that compartment rotted and fell out. The drain hole was clogged and water sat, never enough water to give me a hint that anything was wrong. Turns out that the ladder is easy to remove, two screws on each side at floor level where the bottom of the ladder fits into mortises, and three screws that hold the aft of the ladder to the box that houses the dropped door. And the handrail. The new piece I’m adding at the bottom will be well-treated with epoxy sealer and will slope from both sides to the middle where a drain will be placed that feeds into the hose that drains the galley fridge. I’ll post pics of the project when I’m done. Kent Robertson S/V Kristy
On Jun 12, 2019, at 7:13 PM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:
Hi Kent, What are you referring to when you mention the companionway door support? Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Cromie via Groups.Io
Kent - I don’t know about your first qusetion…
Re. rotted companion way door support: Mine was also rotten, and I didn’t know where it was until I took the companion way sliding door out of its track entirely. I then fished out the rotten wood from the bottom of the companionway box with long graspers. If you have a friend who does laparoscopic surgery, you can get a disposable pair of long laparoscopic graspers. I find such an instrument incredibly useful on a regular basis for fishing parts out of deep crevices. In this case, no need to take apart the steps. I’m sure you could find some cheap graspers on ebay. I flushed out the box to ensure that there was no residual debris to prevent it from draining to the gray water sump.
I fashioned a new support board out of marine plywood, which must be installed with the door installed back in the tracks (but clamped in an elevated position).
Re. kinked reinforced hose: I agree that the hose will be permanently kinked, and best to simply replace it if it is old in any case. I ended up replacing the hoses under my galley sink - mostly because I noticed an odor emanating from that vicinity. I’m glad I took it all apart, because it had probably not been cleaned out since it was installed 17 years ago. Eliminating the foul black buildup in the galley plumbing resolved the smell issue.
While I was at it, it was a perfect opportunity to install a removable faucet head at the galley sink. Much easier to wash big pots now.
-James Soteria SM2K 347
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Re: Water tank overfill, companionway ladder, galley sink drain hose
eric freedman
Hi Kent, What are you referring to when you mention the companionway door support? Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Cromie via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2019 2:23 PM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Water tank overfill, companionway ladder, galley sink drain hose
Kent - I don’t know about your first qusetion…
Re. rotted companion way door support: Mine was also rotten, and I didn’t know where it was until I took the companion way sliding door out of its track entirely. I then fished out the rotten wood from the bottom of the companionway box with long graspers. If you have a friend who does laparoscopic surgery, you can get a disposable pair of long laparoscopic graspers. I find such an instrument incredibly useful on a regular basis for fishing parts out of deep crevices. In this case, no need to take apart the steps. I’m sure you could find some cheap graspers on ebay. I flushed out the box to ensure that there was no residual debris to prevent it from draining to the gray water sump.
I fashioned a new support board out of marine plywood, which must be installed with the door installed back in the tracks (but clamped in an elevated position).
Re. kinked reinforced hose: I agree that the hose will be permanently kinked, and best to simply replace it if it is old in any case. I ended up replacing the hoses under my galley sink - mostly because I noticed an odor emanating from that vicinity. I’m glad I took it all apart, because it had probably not been cleaned out since it was installed 17 years ago. Eliminating the foul black buildup in the galley plumbing resolved the smell issue.
While I was at it, it was a perfect opportunity to install a removable faucet head at the galley sink. Much easier to wash big pots now.
-James Soteria SM2K 347
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