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Re: Furuno GP 150 - no Lat/Lon to VHF
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Re: Dessalator no manual flushing
Bill/Wolfgang,
The three way valve (actually it is a 2-way) is in parallel with the solenoid. So the solenoid has no impact. I find the theory that the three way valve is the problem not very likely. But it is easy to test as you can remove the pre-filter and see if fresh water comes out of the filter connector when you open the three way valve for fresh water. My guess is either a clogged connection hose or stuck valves in the high pressure pump. Take off the hose between the pump and the membranes and see if fresh water comes trough. If not the pump may be the problem. Next reconnect the hose and remove the brine (output) hose from the membranes. That is the high pressure hose on the other side. See if water comes out of the connection point. If so then the problem may be in the regulator at the console. Regards, Arno Luijten, SV Luna, A54-121
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Re: Furuno GP 150 - no Lat/Lon to VHF
Sv Garulfo
Wolfgang, If your A54 is anything like ours, there is a junction box behind the navnet3D screen at the chart table that distributes the NMEA from the GP-150 to the VHF&SSB. If neither are showing lat/lon, it could be a bad connection in that junction box or at the GPS output (data 1, for me). Or it could be the GP-150 that’s not longer broadcasting NMEA on that output. Do you see lat/lon on your hydra? If yes, the GP-150 still outputs NMEA to the data3 port (again, according to the setup on Garulfo). In fact, for us, the navnet3D shows lat/lon thanks to data2 output from the GP-150. So i think you could just have a bad connection at data1 of the gp-150, or at the junction box that distributes that output to the vhf/SSB. It doesn’t explain why the radar overlay does not work though. It sounds like something different. It does not explain the speed issue on autopilot. Do you see SOG in hydra and navnet3D ? Do you see STW in hydra / navnet3D ? Thomas GARULFO A54-122 Huahine, French Polynesia
On 1 May 2021, at 14:23, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
Wolfgang, I assume that you do not have GPS SOG but probably have SOW (Boat Speed as reported through the B&G Hydra. It sounds like the likely cause is the Furuno GP-150 which is no longer made. I did a quick search for a used one and did not find one. I think the best thing for you to do is get a Furuno technician onboard. I do not have a recommendation, but with a search on Google and on Furuno Dealer Search (https://www.furunousa.com/en/company/find_a_dealer) I see there are many. Bill
On Sat, May 1, 2021 at 6:47 PM Wolfgang Weber <weberamel54@...> wrote: Hello to the group,
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Re: Furuno GP 150 - no Lat/Lon to VHF
Hi Wolfgang,
You are correct to assume the GP150 has no connection to the Navnet 3D system. I just made a major update to my system and this is how I know. The GP 150 only feeds the VHF and in your case the SSB. I have heard of cases where the output driver of the NEMA0183 output failed. As Bill said the GP 150 is no longer available and if it were, it is very expensive as it is a SOLAS certified GPS. However there is some good news as the GP150 has three outputs for GPS data and at least one of them is still unused in the default Amel installation. You may be able to use this output as alternative. I know this because I used that output to feed the EPIRB I have on the boat (Some fancy ACR thing). You may need to alter the config of the GP150 to get the output to work in the way required. For your information I also made a connection between the fast-heading output of the NavPilot 500 to the input NMEA input of the B&G H3000 CPU. On my boat Amel forgot to do that so the H3000 CPU had no way to calculate the ground wind (wind direction relative to the north). This enable you to plot a graph on the H3000 graphic display to see the wind direction changes over time. Let me know if you need more information. Arno Luijten SV Luna, A54-121
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Re: Dessalator no manual flushing
Wolfgang, I assume that you have the automatic rinse solenoid valve and also the manual ball valve to rinse the membranes. I am trying to remember but is it possible that the valve might be before the auto rinse valve. If so the auto rinse solenoid may be stuck. If I am correct, possibly bypassing the auto rinse valve will work for you. Another thing that may help you is if you run the watermaker every 3-4 days, even for 30 minutes, you can skip the rinsing until you get it repaired. I am sure that there are some great watermaker mechanics in Ft Lauderdale, but I do not know them.
On Sat, May 1, 2021 at 6:38 PM Wolfgang Weber <weberamel54@...> wrote: Hello to the group,
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Re: Furuno GP 150 - no Lat/Lon to VHF
Wolfgang, I assume that you do not have GPS SOG but probably have SOW (Boat Speed as reported through the B&G Hydra. It sounds like the likely cause is the Furuno GP-150 which is no longer made. I did a quick search for a used one and did not find one. I think the best thing for you to do is get a Furuno technician onboard. I do not have a recommendation, but with a search on Google and on Furuno Dealer Search (https://www.furunousa.com/en/company/find_a_dealer) I see there are many. Bill
On Sat, May 1, 2021 at 6:47 PM Wolfgang Weber <weberamel54@...> wrote: Hello to the group,
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Re: Mast Climbing Safety
eric freedman
Sorry to hear the news. Get better soon. Spring is here. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Matt & Michelle Day, SM#208 SV Talia
As some of you are aware, back in February I gutted the NMEA0183 network and instruments on Talia, and replaced them with a new set of B&G NMEA2K kit. The project took me 2 weeks, and was a great deal of fun. I was alone, so was not planning to complete the mast work (radar strut replacement, radar replacement, VHF antennae replacement and wind instrument replacement). That would have to wait for another trip to the Chesapeake (preferably in warmer weather).
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Furuno GP 150 - no Lat/Lon to VHF
Wolfgang Weber
Hello to the group,
2. problem : Starting my Nav-electronics : Furuno GP 150 ( no failure), Autopilot ( later - no speed data), Navnet 3 D ( shows Lat/Lon and plotter working; Radar ? overlay not working), VHF and SSB ( no Lat/Lon). Stephane G. from Pochon /La Rochell was very helpful and send a wiring schema and his suggestion was that GP 150 NEMA output of GPS (LAT/Lon) did not work and that Navnet 3 D received Lat/lon from FA-50 AIS. Question : Hardwarefailure ? change GP-150 ? Any recommendation for electronic/Furuno in Fort Lauderdale ? Thankyou very much! Wolfgang SY Elise Amel 54 #162
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Dessalator no manual flushing
Wolfgang Weber
Hello to the group,
after 1 year away from ELISE - Amel 54 - I managed US - Immigration. Now trying to manual flush the Dessalator Watermaker - no flow. Martin from Dessalator/spain mentoined that the problem is the 3-way valve. Any help or comments ? Wolfgang SY ELISE Amel 54#162 , Fort Lauderdale /Playboy Marina
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Re: Insurance
eric freedman
Pat, Thank you. Good Idea !!! Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Patrick McAneny via groups.io
Eric , I bought the one you have the link to , the Tsurumi pump and it is 120v ,which I will run off my inverter . The 45 gal./minute I quoted is from their chart at a 7 ft. head pressure. Not sure you can rely on any numbers produced by manufacturers ,but it does pump a hell of a lot of water . I think it could keep up with a broken sea cock . It can handle 1/4" objects and has pumped our pond out ,where the bottom has leaves and crap ,dirtier than I hope my boat ever gets. Pat SM Shenanigans -----Original Message----- Is this a 220 volt unit or do you run it off of an inverter? The only issue I see with the one attached is the starting amps is 12.5. It looks like a great pump ; however it does have an impeller..
Our AMFA bilge pump is a diaphragm pump . Last time I took it apart it was incredible what was inside of the pump including a few cable ties. I just wonder how resistant to clogging the electric one is..
The pumps I see on construction sites always seem to be diaphragm pumps.
Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Patrick McAneny via groups.io
While on passage to the Caribbean a couple of years ago at about 3 am . I discovered about a foot of water under the floor boards by the nav station. Conditions had been rough for days and the bow thruster had been leaking obviously for some time. I had a household A/C submersible pump and that eventually pumped out the water ,but it clogged a lot with bits of paper etc. and only pumped thru a garden hose. That confirmed for me ,that I would always want to have an auxiliary pump on board ,just a bigger ,better one that can not clog. So I now have a A/C submersible trash pump, a trash pump is designed to pump high volumes of water while allowing debris to pass thru and out the pump without clogging. The pump I bought pumps 45 gallons per minute thru a two inch hose. The cord is very long and the hose is 50 ft. long. This has the advantage of being able to locate the pump where needed. I could drop it over the side and put a lot of water on a fire as well. While I can't remember what I paid ,it was not more than $400. I also have a water garden with ponds totaling 4000 gallons ,which I can now drain quickly with no clogging as opposed to hours with my previous pump clogging every few minutes. Goggle trash pumps. Pat SM Shenanigans Sassafras River , Md.
-----Original Message----- The extra-large bilge pump requirement is becoming popular among insurance companies. It started with one "brilliant" underwriter. Frankly, I am waiting for the same "brilliant" or another expert to require watertight compartments.😀
I suggest that you buy a large-capacity submersible 24-volt Rule Pump and the required length of hose to be able to use the pump anywhere in your Amel. Maybe you can justify the few hundred expense to be able to pump out your water tank.
On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 12:35 PM Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:
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Re: Photo of the fuel tank out of the boat
eric freedman
I am glad my suggestion might help; I used an air horn. It puts out a lot more pressure. The filter that Amel puts at the outlet inside of the fuel tank is an odd place to put a filter. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Thomas Kleman
Yes- removed both inspection ports, made gaskets out of Nitrile (1/8 inch) and cleaned the outlet. When refilling the tank, I only took on 90 pct of my diesel and left the dregs in their temp storage tank. Then bled the system at the racors so it will hopefully start OK. The bottom of the tank had to be scraped out with a metal scraper- it was coated with a filmy resin. SV L'ORIENT
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Re: Mast Climbing Safety
Matt,
Kudos for sharing this. Safety shortcuts are so easy to fall into and you posting this, from a super competent person, is a sobering message to all of us. I am curious, though, as to just how the "halyard slipped from the clutch"? By "clutch" do you mean the "self-tailer" on the winch or the "rope clutch" of the mizzen halyard - or were you using the mizzen staysail halyard directly to a winch (not going through the rope clutch). If using the mizzen halyard clutch, and assuming the line was still running through the clutch hole it could not have slipped "from" the clutch, but must have slipped "through" the clutch. If so, did the fact that the tension was all on the winch allow the locking lever to fall open (mine will indeed do that occasionally), thus allowing the line to run freely through the clutch, and then somehow the line came off the winch? Or did you unlock the clutch because it was on the winch and then the line came off the winch. The clutch, being a one-way locking device that you can leave locked while going up will not slip if the line is taken off the winch. It sounds as though (if you were using the clutch) you either unlocked the clutch before you went up, or being "where you wanted to be" your crew unlocked the clutch to lower you back down. Katherine is taking me up tomorrow to remove my mizzen lowers, as I start to replace my rigging after the failure a couple of weeks ago. I'll be using the foc d'artimon halyard run to the anchor windlass (no electric winches on the SN) and I will run it through the mizzen halyard clutch, plus I'll use the passerelle / outboard hoisting halyard as a safety, but I'd appreciate more details on your episode. Best regards, Craig-- SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL
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Re: Mast Climbing Safety
Leslie Washburn
I don't typically jump in on many stories but this one in particular made me want to say thank you. I'm sorry your lesson for us came at such a cost. I'm glad you are healing and that you shared the story. We all have had this lapse at some time or another. Schedules..they always seem to find a way to dissolve some of our common sense. Perhaps you can take some satisfaction in knowing that you may have just helped keep safe another 100+ people, at least until the sting of the story wears off and we forget again. Hats off to your wife for reminding you and asking you. It can be hard for work mates to ask, cajole, remind others to take the precautions especially if the person in action is confident and sure. It's a tough spot. I hope she is also doing OK as I'm sure it was a deep trauma for both of you. Thanks again, heal well. Leslie Leslie A. Washburn Washburn Coaching & Consulting Yacht Deliveries & Provisioning 312.952.2145 m
-------- Original message -------- From: "Matt & Michelle Day, SM#208 SV Talia" <charlesmatthewday@...> Date: 5/1/21 1:30 PM (GMT-06:00) To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Mast Climbing Safety To my great joy, my amazing wife surprised me by traveling the 650 miles to come give me a hand over the last 4 days of work scheduled. We churned through the to-do list like champions. With 2 days left I decided it was a great time to add the mast work to the list and knock it out. Next trip we could commission the system and be back on the water! I had been up the main mast twice to remove and start the wire pull, and up the mizzen twice removing the old radar dish and pulling he new radar cable. My next trip up the mizzen was to replace the radar strut and add the new dish. Piece of cake....all the steps were preplanned, tools were laid out in batches, and I was ready to go. Going up to the radar dish is no big deal as I was only up 27.4 ft from the cockpit deck (I just didi it twice). We were short of time, it was time to get this done. Harnessed up on February 25th I was being winched up the mast, made it to just above the radar dish where I wanted to be, and the halyard slipped from the clutch. I fell just under 30 ft to the deck of Talia. Somehow I hit the Bimini, bounced off, landed on my left leg atop the cockpit seat next to the mizzen, and fell in the open space towards the companionway. I managed to only break my left leg in 6 places. If the Bimini were not in place, I would have hit the helm seat and either died or worse broken my neck and been paralyzed. I have had exceptional medical care and am expected to make a full recovery in hopefully a year. I write this note to all of you, not looking for sympathies or well wishes, but hoping you do not make similar stupid mistakes. I single dumb decision has costed my family to fear the worst for my health, cost over $200k in medical bills (gotta love the American medical system), and a great deal of personal pain from surgery and rehab. And I am not done yet. I have been the Chief Safety Officer in two industrial plants. I work in the Aerospace industry where people die when you do not follow the rules. As an engineer, following the rules and playing out safety risks is how I work....except this time for some reason. I was in a hurry with only two days left. The work was only 20-30 ft up the mast....What's the big deal? Did Michelle and I talk about how I wanted to go up? Yes, we did. Did she say to me, "Do you want to use the starboard line as a secondary?" Yes, and I declined.....too much time....only doing a job at 20-30 ft. Every single coworker I have told this story has responded the same way, "YOU would not make that kind of decision and do that!" It took less than 2 seconds to have this lapse in judgement, because I felt the pressure of meeting a timeline (that I imposed on myself!). I am fortunate enough to have the opportunity to spend the next year paying the price. My hope in this message is that it will give you pause when working on your fine machine. Electrical, mechanical, mast work, scrubbing the deck, using power tools...whatever, there are opportunities to make the right and the wrong decisions that can harm you and the people around you. Please use my example as one that did both. I wish you all well, and hope I have not come off too preachy. Matt & Michelle Day SM#208 SV Talia Hampton, VA
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Re: Mast Climbing Safety
Matt,
I am so sorry to hear your story and so happy that you have recovered. I really appreciate you sharing your story. Very humbling. Of course, like most of us, I pushed things to the limits many, many times. I did not clip the harness to avoid being tangled in the sheets while changing head sails, or I did not tie a second halyard as I was climbing the mast. I did not tie myself while I was relieving myself over the lifelines in heavy seas. The list goes on, with a lot of "near misses", and quick recoveries because I was fit and young...Not the case anymore. Your story is reminder for all us to be careful. Especially now that we sail with limited crew or a spouse. Thank you so much, -- John Bernard "JB" Duler San Francisco Meltem # 19, Western Med
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Re: Mast Climbing Safety
Matt, Thank you very much for posting this. It is very important for all of us to take a few seconds to remind ourselves of the need for safety. I grimace from my own imagined pain every time I think about your injury. I am excited about your recovery to date and I am anxious for your full recovery. My best to you and Michelle. Bill
On Sat, May 1, 2021 at 1:30 PM Matt & Michelle Day, SM#208 SV Talia <charlesmatthewday@...> wrote: As some of you are aware, back in February I gutted the NMEA0183 network and instruments on Talia, and replaced them with a new set of B&G NMEA2K kit. The project took me 2 weeks, and was a great deal of fun. I was alone, so was not planning to complete the mast work (radar strut replacement, radar replacement, VHF antennae replacement and wind instrument replacement). That would have to wait for another trip to the Chesapeake (preferably in warmer weather).
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Mast Climbing Safety
Matt & Michelle Day, SM#208 SV Talia
As some of you are aware, back in February I gutted the NMEA0183 network and instruments on Talia, and replaced them with a new set of B&G NMEA2K kit. The project took me 2 weeks, and was a great deal of fun. I was alone, so was not planning to complete the mast work (radar strut replacement, radar replacement, VHF antennae replacement and wind instrument replacement). That would have to wait for another trip to the Chesapeake (preferably in warmer weather).
To my great joy, my amazing wife surprised me by traveling the 650 miles to come give me a hand over the last 4 days of work scheduled. We churned through the to-do list like champions. With 2 days left I decided it was a great time to add the mast work to the list and knock it out. Next trip we could commission the system and be back on the water! I had been up the main mast twice to remove and start the wire pull, and up the mizzen twice removing the old radar dish and pulling he new radar cable. My next trip up the mizzen was to replace the radar strut and add the new dish. Piece of cake....all the steps were preplanned, tools were laid out in batches, and I was ready to go. Going up to the radar dish is no big deal as I was only up 27.4 ft from the cockpit deck (I just didi it twice). We were short of time, it was time to get this done. Harnessed up on February 25th I was being winched up the mast, made it to just above the radar dish where I wanted to be, and the halyard slipped from the clutch. I fell just under 30 ft to the deck of Talia. Somehow I hit the Bimini, bounced off, landed on my left leg atop the cockpit seat next to the mizzen, and fell in the open space towards the companionway. I managed to only break my left leg in 6 places. If the Bimini were not in place, I would have hit the helm seat and either died or worse broken my neck and been paralyzed. I have had exceptional medical care and am expected to make a full recovery in hopefully a year. I write this note to all of you, not looking for sympathies or well wishes, but hoping you do not make similar stupid mistakes. I single dumb decision has costed my family to fear the worst for my health, cost over $200k in medical bills (gotta love the American medical system), and a great deal of personal pain from surgery and rehab. And I am not done yet. I have been the Chief Safety Officer in two industrial plants. I work in the Aerospace industry where people die when you do not follow the rules. As an engineer, following the rules and playing out safety risks is how I work....except this time for some reason. I was in a hurry with only two days left. The work was only 20-30 ft up the mast....What's the big deal? Did Michelle and I talk about how I wanted to go up? Yes, we did. Did she say to me, "Do you want to use the starboard line as a secondary?" Yes, and I declined.....too much time....only doing a job at 20-30 ft. Every single coworker I have told this story has responded the same way, "YOU would not make that kind of decision and do that!" It took less than 2 seconds to have this lapse in judgement, because I felt the pressure of meeting a timeline (that I imposed on myself!). I am fortunate enough to have the opportunity to spend the next year paying the price. My hope in this message is that it will give you pause when working on your fine machine. Electrical, mechanical, mast work, scrubbing the deck, using power tools...whatever, there are opportunities to make the right and the wrong decisions that can harm you and the people around you. Please use my example as one that did both. I wish you all well, and hope I have not come off too preachy. Matt & Michelle Day SM#208 SV Talia Hampton, VA
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Re: Pipe feeding heating in main rear cabin
Rob Smith
Hello I've just seen your email on the main Amel forum. I have a SM and am very keen to learn more on how / where you have installed all the heating system? Kind regards Rob S/Y FORESIGHT SM#152
On Fri, 30 Apr 2021, 14:14 Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond via groups.io, <southernadventurer=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: Onan shuts down under load without shutdown codes
Porter McRoberts
For what it’s worth I also think its a clogged exhaust elbow. Easy to remove and clean. Very similar symptoms on our Onan: steam but caught it before the shutdown scenarios started. There’s something very satisfying about cleaning out that elbow!
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Good luck! Porter McRoberts S/V IBIS A54-152 WhatsApp:+1 754 265 2206Www.fouribis.net
On May 1, 2021, at 6:14 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
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Question for Barry SV Penelope 11
High Barry,
I was just wondering about your project to change the pulley on the 24v Leece Neville alternator to a micro v type. Have you done it and if so how is it going? I still have not been back to Amelia in Leros Greece, but my flight is booked 11th of June. I will fit the new pulleys that I have bought and had machined here in the UK and report on the outcome. Poor Amelia has been left since mid September. Hopefully all will be well!! Nick S/Y Amelia AML 54-019 stored ashore in Leros Gr.
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Re: Onan shuts down under load without shutdown codes
Based on the temperatures you gave I am convinced the white smoke is steam. Here is another photo showing how carbon can build up in the exhaust manifold and exhaust elbow. And even though the buildup of carbon is slow and over time and slowly increasing the operating and exhaust elbow temperatures, the shutdown will be immediate when the temperatures reach the "cut-off temperature. In other words, it might take a year to build up enough carbon to shut down the Onan, with it working fine for a year and today shutting down. Once you find the issue, monitor those two temperatures frequently. If something like carbon buildup is happening you will see a slight increase in temperature over time until you finally get a "shut-down."
I can never remember what white, blue or black smoke mean. Here's a good refresher from a Steve D'Angelo article last year in Cruising World.
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