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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Yacht Owner's Registry

Roque
 

I have just completed the Registry Update. Very friendly interface. You've done a good job. 

 

As long as anyone can freely choose to participate, I don’t see why you shouldn’t carry on. Time will tell if this is a useful tool – as I think it is- or not.

 

Roque

Attika A54 – 117

Paraty- Rio de Janeiro


Em qui, 20 de dez de 2018 às 04:35, brentcameron61@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> escreveu:

 

Thanks for jumping in Bill.  Ass usual, you got right to the point.   In light of all of the comments and the somewhat heated discussion, I have modified the Registry with Alan's guidance to only reflect (by default):

  Year
  Model
  Hull#
  Boat Name

If the owner choses, they can also add some or all of:
  Owner's Name
  Email
  Home Port
  Current Location:
  Flag of Registry:
  Website (of the boat or sailing channel, etc).

I have updated the Registry Update form to allow members to completely remove their boat but also to update the actual items they might like to show (e.g. current location).   For the two Mark's (Brass Ring and Creampuff) and Teun, I have removed your boats from the list entirely - well to be honest, Brass Ring and Teun's boat weren't in there in the first place. as the list I built this off of had only Super Maramu's in it.  Creampuff has been deleted and now longer shows.  

I had looked at moving it over to the yahoo database as you suggested but this is problematic for two big reasons.  The first being that Yahoo lets members download copies of the database which I believe is very dangerous.  With the current system, it is online and can't be easily copied and changes every time it is updated.  When this discussion became heated, I took it offline for a day and just left the headers for discussion purposes (nobody seemed to notice!) .  None of the data was left floating around in the ether and it took me about 2 minutes to do that.  This would be impossible with copies of the the database floating around - once they are out there, they are out there.  A second major issue is that we would lose the automatic (more or less) ability to update the database with people filling out the permission form.  I haven't completely automated it yet, but it is 75% of the way there already and it shouldn't take me that long to completely automate it so that it will be almost completely self-sufficient.  My intention wasn't to build something that would take the moderators even more time to update or police and frankly, I'd like to get out there sailing with you folks!

As you had suggested, the one advantage of putting the database on yahoo over the current system is to hide the link so that it can not be accessed by non-members of the group.  This could easily be addressed by putting the link to the Registry (and the update form) into a file in the Files section of the forum and then only members could find it.  I was going to do this and delete the link in the original post in this thread but I discovered that I can't edit my post without deleting it and I'm not sure what will happen to this thread if I do that so I'll hold off until someone tells me it's O.K. to do it.  In the meantime, here is the link to the file containing the Registry and Registry Update Form:

We currently have 250 boats in the registry but of course the large portion of those just have Year, Name, Model and Boat Name. 

The final thought that occurred to me is that perhaps we might be better served by a lookup function rather than a listing of all of the boats.  For instance one might enter in Sangaris and find out it is a 1982 Santorin Ketch, Hull Number 68 owned by Craig and Katherine Briggs and get their email address (since they have positively approved giving out their name/email).  This way the Registry would be even less useful to anyone who is not a member.   You might also be able to ask what boats were in St Maarten and it would return a list of boats that had (optionally) indicated their current location was St. Maarten.  I suspect this would take a bit more work but it might be another idea to further protect the legitimate concerns and expectations of the members surrounding the privacy and security of their data. 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hf installation

Dean Gillies
 

Thanks Stefano, buon Natale.

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hf installation

Stefano Biffi
 

Hallo, it’s a whip. The model I’m looking is Glomex PRA 703; but many similar are available also in the same brand.
THANKS all for the different suggestions and Merry Christmas and Happy new year 

Stefano
N'EVEREST SM185
now in Italy 

Il giorno 18 dic 2018, alle ore 12:44, trifin@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> ha scritto:

 

Hi Stephanie,
You talk about a 7m antenna. Is that an isolated backstay or a whip antenna you are planning to use.
If it’s a whip, can you please share the model number?

I agree with what the others have said, the tuner should be in the lazarette, with the minimum cable length between the tuner module and the antenna.

Regards
Dean
SY Stella
A54-154

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RE: Amel Swag

Kaplan,Andre
 

Hello Ric,

I’d like 2 hats 
I’m in Connecticut
Please send payment info
Thank you

Andre Kaplan
Renaissance 2000
Mango 71 88


On Dec 19, 2018, at 4:34 PM, Teun BAAS teun@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Ric,

 

I would like 2 hats pls.

Currently in USA – pls let me know how to handle payment etc.

 

Best Regards Teun

AMELIT  A54 # 128

Dec 19, 2018   14:32:06

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 2:24 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Swag

 

 

I had some folks ask about the Rendezvous bags and if I had any of the hats left. If you want extra, your welcome to buy them at my cost. Bags are $30, hats $18. Only 5 bags left & 12 hats. I am not in the swag business, it’s just for fun. Send me a direct email if your interested, before my kids appropriate them. Merry Christmas
Ric
Bali Hai SN 24
Annapolis

Re: Amel Yacht Owner's Registry

Brent Cameron
 

Thanks for jumping in Bill.  Ass usual, you got right to the point.   In light of all of the comments and the somewhat heated discussion, I have modified the Registry with Alan's guidance to only reflect (by default):
  Year
  Model
  Hull#
  Boat Name

If the owner choses, they can also add some or all of:
  Owner's Name
  Email
  Home Port
  Current Location:
  Flag of Registry:
  Website (of the boat or sailing channel, etc).

I have updated the Registry Update form to allow members to completely remove their boat but also to update the actual items they might like to show (e.g. current location).   For the two Mark's (Brass Ring and Creampuff) and Teun, I have removed your boats from the list entirely - well to be honest, Brass Ring and Teun's boat weren't in there in the first place. as the list I built this off of had only Super Maramu's in it.  Creampuff has been deleted and now longer shows.  

I had looked at moving it over to the yahoo database as you suggested but this is problematic for two big reasons.  The first being that Yahoo lets members download copies of the database which I believe is very dangerous.  With the current system, it is online and can't be easily copied and changes every time it is updated.  When this discussion became heated, I took it offline for a day and just left the headers for discussion purposes (nobody seemed to notice!) .  None of the data was left floating around in the ether and it took me about 2 minutes to do that.  This would be impossible with copies of the the database floating around - once they are out there, they are out there.  A second major issue is that we would lose the automatic (more or less) ability to update the database with people filling out the permission form.  I haven't completely automated it yet, but it is 75% of the way there already and it shouldn't take me that long to completely automate it so that it will be almost completely self-sufficient.  My intention wasn't to build something that would take the moderators even more time to update or police and frankly, I'd like to get out there sailing with you folks!

As you had suggested, the one advantage of putting the database on yahoo over the current system is to hide the link so that it can not be accessed by non-members of the group.  This could easily be addressed by putting the link to the Registry (and the update form) into a file in the Files section of the forum and then only members could find it.  I was going to do this and delete the link in the original post in this thread but I discovered that I can't edit my post without deleting it and I'm not sure what will happen to this thread if I do that so I'll hold off until someone tells me it's O.K. to do it.  In the meantime, here is the link to the file containing the Registry and Registry Update Form:

We currently have 250 boats in the registry but of course the large portion of those just have Year, Name, Model and Boat Name. 

The final thought that occurred to me is that perhaps we might be better served by a lookup function rather than a listing of all of the boats.  For instance one might enter in Sangaris and find out it is a 1982 Santorin Ketch, Hull Number 68 owned by Craig and Katherine Briggs and get their email address (since they have positively approved giving out their name/email).  This way the Registry would be even less useful to anyone who is not a member.   You might also be able to ask what boats were in St Maarten and it would return a list of boats that had (optionally) indicated their current location was St. Maarten.  I suspect this would take a bit more work but it might be another idea to further protect the legitimate concerns and expectations of the members surrounding the privacy and security of their data. 

New file uploaded to amelyachtowners

amelyachtowners@...
 

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amelyachtowners
group.

File : /Amel Yacht Owner's Registry and Update Form
Uploaded by : @bcameron <@bcameron>
Description : This file contains the link for the Registry as well as the form to update your boat in it

You can access this file at the URL:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/files/Amel%20Yacht%20Owner%27s%20Registry%20and%20Update%20Form

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
https://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&y=PROD_GRPS&locale=en_US&id=SLN15398

Regards,

@bcameron <@bcameron>

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Cleaning the hella fans

eric freedman
 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Sm fell off cradel

nz free
 

I was in Grenada after hurricane Ivan. I did see the damage that was done to this boat. I knew the owner, a Swiss gentleman. The damage was catastrophic, the bulkheads were cracked and seperated, the Hull was severely damaged the masts were gone. I was really surprised someone was able to repair it. I recognize the boat because that box structure by the nav station is a fridge. I would be very careful.

Re: Amel Swag

Teun BAAS
 

Hi Ric,

 

I would like 2 hats pls.

Currently in USA – pls let me know how to handle payment etc.

 

Best Regards Teun

AMELIT  A54 # 128

Dec 19, 2018   14:32:06

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 2:24 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Swag

 

 

I had some folks ask about the Rendezvous bags and if I had any of the hats left. If you want extra, your welcome to buy them at my cost. Bags are $30, hats $18. Only 5 bags left & 12 hats. I am not in the swag business, it’s just for fun. Send me a direct email if your interested, before my kids appropriate them. Merry Christmas
Ric
Bali Hai SN 24
Annapolis

Amel Swag

Ric Gottschalk <ric@...>
 

I had some folks ask about the Rendezvous bags and if I had any of the hats left. If you want extra, your welcome to buy them at my cost. Bags are $30, hats $18. Only 5 bags left & 12 hats. I am not in the swag business, it’s just for fun. Send me a direct email if your interested, before my kids appropriate them. Merry Christmas
Ric
Bali Hai SN 24
Annapolis

Seawater pump (engine room) and hose blockage to toilets

Duane Siegfri
 

I recently overhauled the Jabsco Par4 pump for the forward head.  On testing I noticed that quite a lot of flow was diverted to the engine room sump (bilge) compared to the aft head, and the flow into the fwd toilet looks pretty low volume.


I'm wondering why Amel put the small pipe into the siphon break draining to the bilge.  It's not on top of the anti-siphon loop like a relief valve, but is on the pipe going to the top of the loop.  In this location some of the water pumped is always going to go to the bilge.


I'm guessing this is to prevent a deadhead condition for the pump, since it does not have a pressure sensor, in case the hose becomes plugged.  But why is roughly half of the forward head pump output going to the bilge?  It seems odd that I didn't notice it until the new pump.  


The only thing I can think of is that the hose has become partially plugged:  with BARNACLES?  Is the solution to run Barnacle Buster into the line and let it sit overnight?


Is there something else?


Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Duane

Wanderer, SM#477



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Cleaning the hella fans

 

The only way is to take them down, remove the blade and wash the blade and cage completely. Do not coat them with anything that will attract dust like WD40. Lubrication of the bushing should be done with silicone grease... don't overdo this.


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Tue, Dec 18, 2018, 21:47 eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 


We have tried many ways to clean the Hella ventilation fans.
Does anyone have a super cool way to clean the dust from these fans?
Fair Winds,
Eric
SM 376 Kimberlite

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Antal main outhaul car for 1999 Super Maramu 2000

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi bode. A while back I had sail maker on board looking at my main sail. The inspection included me furling and unfurling the main. They were gob smacked at how good the Amel system was, better than any other they had seen. My car lasted to 2017 and probably 60 to70000 miles (we had done over 40) not bad I would have thought. I also successfully,  at minimal cost rebuilt it and expect a similar life. When I have time I will post photos and description of what I did. Fortunately I wasn't paying myself an hourly rate,  but it was fun.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean pearl


On 19 December 2018 at 12:21 "steve@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Ken,

After looking into this a bit more, I realize that you can't use the clew-block I proposed above (duh). I'm looking into other alternatives, but I don't have a better answer than the stock setup for now. Guess neither did Amel. So, disregard my comments above about replacing the track car. Sorry about the confusion.
-Bode

 


 


 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Yacht Owner's Registry

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Thanks

Danny

On 19 December 2018 at 10:22 "bernard lawson bernardlawson665@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Thank you 😊. Our privacy is sacred 

On Tue, Dec 18, 2018, 14:32 Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

 

Hi Bernard,

Pardon my ignorance. What does TY!!! mean

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 19 December 2018 at 07:13 "bernard lawson bernardlawson665@... [amelyachtowners]" < amelyachtowners@yahoogroups..com> wrote:

 

 

TY!!!

On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 12:22 PM brass.ring@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

 

Regarding the Amel Register; the database of Amel boats and owners.  I find the collection of this material particularly troublesome especially when the AOG is part of the source material.  I believe there is some small expectation of privacy i.e. the AOG is a closed group.  The amount of data collected would have any marketing manager salivating that desires to target a group such as this this group.

 

Mining data that you desire to collect is intrusive and I believe the potential for misuse by any number of third parties is quite high.  As we have seen over the last few years no data is truly secure.  As much as you believe you are providing as service I feel this is a disservice to Amel owners and serves no purpose that will provide any benefit to current owners.

 

My request to the AOG forum moderators would be to expunge any existing list or database currently in the AOG forum and prevent in the future any similar databases from being resident in the AOG forum.  Although most of  this information is a matter of public record it is not now or ever should be part of this forum.  In my opinion the AOG forum is for the exchange of ideas and information to benefit Amel owners in the operation and maintenance of their boats, pure and simple.


Mark Mueller

Brass Ring  A54

 

 

 

 


 


 

 

 

 


 


 

Cleaning the hella fans

eric freedman
 

S Maarten

eric freedman
 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: New Speakers - Old Compass - Different Readings

Arno Luijten
 

Hi All,

I just replaced the cockpit speakers for the Fusion 4 inch model as well. These are coaxial, so basically a two way system. Although they sound much better then the Amel speakers (made by some italian company callled  Sea & Syphony) I would say that almost any speaker would sound better then those pieces of junk (from audio quality point of view). From sound quality point of view the Fusions sound OK but not great. That would be quite hard for a 4 inch speaker anyway. I'm thinking to put some damping material behind the speaker as the mid-frequencies sound quite harsh. I'm using the new Fusion Apollo head unit that has some Digital Sound Processor facilities that adapt the speaker signal to the speakers type and place where located. That does improve things as well.

I think that good speakers typically have a large magnetic field because of the size of the magnet. I did look at this company to contain that problem: http://www.lessemf.com/mag-shld.html but I could not find weather resistant speakers with audiophile performance in the 4 inch range.

So I'm sort of happy with the Fusion speakers as it's a good upgrade to the original stuff. I must admit I found the originals looking a bit better form aesthetic point of view. But mine were corroded pretty bad.

Cheers,

Arno
SV Luna
A54 121


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Antal main outhaul car for 1999 Super Maramu 2000

 

Steve,

I was going to comment earlier, but decided to stay out of the discussion. But, I have something that I believe is important to add...

I believe, when considering what was available to Amel in the early 80s, their solution for the operation of the motorized outhaul, using mostly off-the-shelf components, was genius. The only modification to the Antal car and track that Amel made was done to overcome improper horizontal load on the car shackle. Amel did this so very simply by welding a stainless steel crossbar to the shackle, which reinforces the improper horizontal loads and, at the same time, separates the vertical load. BTW, I have seen too many Amels that replace the Amel-modified shackle with a stock Antal shackle... maybe this happened on your Amel. And about half of the 50 or more outhaul I have seen are rigged wrong.

When talking to Antal about this car and shackle, I doubt that anyone at Antal today would know about the simple shackle modification made by Amel. In fact, I am not sure if there is a better solution today for Amel. BTW, the 55 doesn't use an Anderson line handler, but what is used on the 55 is similar. The next time I am on a 55 (probably Jan 2019) I will inventory all the components and report back to you and others here.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Tue, Dec 18, 2018, 18:22 steve@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

Hi Ken,

After looking into this a bit more, I realize that you can't use the clew-block I proposed above (duh). I'm looking into other alternatives, but I don't have a better answer than the stock setup for now. Guess neither did Amel. So, disregard my comments above about replacing the track car. Sorry about the confusion.
-Bode

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Yacht Owner's Registry

Alan Leslie
 

Thanks Bill

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437

Re: Amel Yacht Owner's Registry

Alan Leslie
 

I'm not scolding anyone...just trying to point out that I think the privacy issue is a non-event when the information is freely available in the posted messages.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437