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Re: Cleaning Santorin Diesel tank #Wiki

Gary Silver
 

Hi Herbert:

 don't know if this will help but here is a picture of the two ports (factory installed) on my Super Maramu.  I also wanted you to know that I sailed out of Golfito Costa Rica aboard the offshore sail training ship Alaska Eagle in 1996 (Golfito to Clipperton Atoll to San Diego).  That trip set me on the hunt for an offshore boat that landed me in the hands of Joel Potter, Jean Jacque Lemonair, and Olivier Beaute and taking possession of our boat Liahona (SM 2000 #335) in LaRochelle in 2001.  

 Hope you can sort out your fuel problem. 

All the best, Gary S. Silver


Re: Lee Sails or equivalent

Massimo Vecchietti
 

I had a complete set of sails for my old Maramu with great satisfaction and now for my SM I have Lee sail mainsail,mizzen, genoa and gennaker and I am very satisfied too.
Max
SM Patchouli  II n° 84

Il giorno mar 19 mar 2019 alle ore 02:43 James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2=aol.com@groups.io> ha scritto:
Miles,

   I have had two sails made by Q-Sails in Hydranet.  The pricing and communication is excellent.  The quality is plenty good for cruising and the sails were heavily reinforced.      We plan to order 2 more sails next season from Q-Sails to complete our inventory.  

Best,

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220

On Mar 18, 2019, at 9:22 PM, smiles bernard via Groups.Io <smilesbernard@...> wrote:

Thanks very much all
Sounds like I might try a few alternatives to Lee
Craig - yes I did mean uk manufactured. The quote was from Crusader who I think are good and made out as yet unused new Genoa. 
Thanks for the tip about ‘Uk sailmakers’
I’ll drop them a line 

Many thanks 
Miles 



On 18 Mar 2019, at 17:24, Craig Briggs via Groups.Io <sangaris@...> wrote:

Miles,
By "UK manufactured" sails, may I assume you mean United Kingdom, not the brand "UK Sailmakers". We've had two sets done by UK Sailmakers, one at their New York loft (actually made in China and finished at the NY loft) and one at their loft in Marmaris, Turkey (actually made at the loft in Marmaris). All have been excellent and very well priced. 
Craig SN68


Re: Lee Sails or equivalent

James Alton
 

Miles,

   I have had two sails made by Q-Sails in Hydranet.  The pricing and communication is excellent.  The quality is plenty good for cruising and the sails were heavily reinforced.      We plan to order 2 more sails next season from Q-Sails to complete our inventory.  

Best,

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220

On Mar 18, 2019, at 9:22 PM, smiles bernard via Groups.Io <smilesbernard@...> wrote:

Thanks very much all
Sounds like I might try a few alternatives to Lee
Craig - yes I did mean uk manufactured. The quote was from Crusader who I think are good and made out as yet unused new Genoa. 
Thanks for the tip about ‘Uk sailmakers’
I’ll drop them a line 

Many thanks 
Miles 



On 18 Mar 2019, at 17:24, Craig Briggs via Groups.Io <sangaris@...> wrote:

Miles,
By "UK manufactured" sails, may I assume you mean United Kingdom, not the brand "UK Sailmakers". We've had two sets done by UK Sailmakers, one at their New York loft (actually made in China and finished at the NY loft) and one at their loft in Marmaris, Turkey (actually made at the loft in Marmaris). All have been excellent and very well priced. 
Craig SN68


Re: Lee Sails or equivalent

smiles bernard
 

Thanks very much all
Sounds like I might try a few alternatives to Lee
Craig - yes I did mean uk manufactured. The quote was from Crusader who I think are good and made out as yet unused new Genoa. 
Thanks for the tip about ‘Uk sailmakers’
I’ll drop them a line 

Many thanks 
Miles 



On 18 Mar 2019, at 17:24, Craig Briggs via Groups.Io <sangaris@...> wrote:

Miles,
By "UK manufactured" sails, may I assume you mean United Kingdom, not the brand "UK Sailmakers". We've had two sets done by UK Sailmakers, one at their New York loft (actually made in China and finished at the NY loft) and one at their loft in Marmaris, Turkey (actually made at the loft in Marmaris). All have been excellent and very well priced. 
Craig SN68


Re: Cleaning Santorin Diesel tank #Wiki

James Alton
 

Herbert,

   I concur with Joels advice RE the professional tank cleaning.  I am however concerned about the quantity of water that you have removed from your filters, especially given that you have been filtering your fuel. That seems like way too much for condensation.  I am not  sure of where the tank fill is on the Santorin but I would suggest having  a good look at your tank fill O-ring to be sure that it is in top shape.   I replace the O-ring on my tank fill every couple of years and also apply some grease to the O-ring to further improve the seal.  As a simple test for leakage,  you can carefully insert some dry paper towel into the fill, install the cap in the normal way,  wet the tank fill with a pressurized hose, remove the cap and check to see if there is any water soaked into the paper towels.  Just be super careful that you don’t lose the towels down the fill with this test.  The tank vent can also be a potential source of water, if the fuel fill seems fine, I would have a look at the vent.

   Best of luck.  I hope that you find the source of the water in your fuel and can get the tank cleaned.

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220


On Mar 18, 2019, at 5:42 PM, Herbert Lackner <herbert@...> wrote:

Hi Amelians,

just started to cross the pacific, after three days without wind, lot of waves and using the engine the water separator and the racor filter have been full of brown water. I cleaned it several times, after an hour it was always full again. I put out maybe 2 liters of brown ugly dirty water and we decided to sail back to Costa Rica to fix that. 

Up to now I never had any drop of water in the water separator, checked this once a year. We always fill up using a water-filter so it might be condensed water.
After changing and cleaning several times now (in shallow water) no dirt comes out, but there might be some more in the tank that is waiting for the next waves.

I do not know what the problem is, I assume that the water is there already since some time, but only when motoring in heavy seas (what we have not done for a long time) it was "shaked" and mixed with the clean diesel.  When we refueled in Golfito I added some Biozid, maybe this "killed" the bacteria and created the dirt...

Our Santorin has no service port for the diesel tank (for me that is a design issue...), so cleaning needs some creativity. Had anyone the same problem, how did you solve that? How to clean the tank to get all the dirt out without service port? 

Did anyone add a service port? 

thx, herbert, SN120, KALI MERA Costa Rica (again)


Re: Cleaning Santorin Diesel tank #Wiki

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Herbert,

been there. We fueled in the Galapagos and were in no wind after a couple of days. We motored for a few hours and the perspex bowl at the bottom of the raor was full of water. We stopped the engine and drained the water and replaced both the racor and the on engine filter. The racor had stopped all the water.There was no water in the second filter.  Started up and in short order there was water in the racor bowl again. Being mid Pacific and lacking options we drained it and carried on. Kept a careful eye on it and drained the water before the glass was full. Did this several times and eventually the water stopped. Clearly we had got water in our fuel in the Galapagos The racor let no water through and we had no further problems. Since the racor on first inspection had stopped all the water I felt confident in this approach. Important to catch it before the racor bowl was overfull. 

Made it from there to NZ through all sorts of conditions with no problems. Been a fan of Racors ever since. They did the job they were there to do. I have two. One services the engine, the other the gen set.

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 19 March 2019 at 10:42 Herbert Lackner <herbert@...> wrote:

Hi Amelians,

just started to cross the pacific, after three days without wind, lot of waves and using the engine the water separator and the racor filter have been full of brown water. I cleaned it several times, after an hour it was always full again. I put out maybe 2 liters of brown ugly dirty water and we decided to sail back to Costa Rica to fix that. 

Up to now I never had any drop of water in the water separator, checked this once a year. We always fill up using a water-filter so it might be condensed water.
After changing and cleaning several times now (in shallow water) no dirt comes out, but there might be some more in the tank that is waiting for the next waves.

I do not know what the problem is, I assume that the water is there already since some time, but only when motoring in heavy seas (what we have not done for a long time) it was "shaked" and mixed with the clean diesel.  When we refueled in Golfito I added some Biozid, maybe this "killed" the bacteria and created the dirt...

Our Santorin has no service port for the diesel tank (for me that is a design issue...), so cleaning needs some creativity. Had anyone the same problem, how did you solve that? How to clean the tank to get all the dirt out without service port? 

Did anyone add a service port? 

thx, herbert, SN120, KALI MERA Costa Rica (again)


Re: Cleaning Santorin Diesel tank #Wiki

amelforme
 

In most areas with a large yachting presence and commercial fishing fleets, one can usually find commercial tank cleaning/fuel polishing  contractors who also have the capability or the resources elsewhere to put access ports in the fuel tanks. You could start out by seeking the tank cleaning/fuel polishing service providers and asking them where you can find an experienced tradesman who can add access ports. You will need at least two and you can be guided by the marks made on the tank exterior where the internal baffles were welded. I am not near the sea today so perhaps someone could take a photo and post it here of a late model Super Maramu tank top with the access ports as done by Amel. Early series  SM 53 also did not have access ports in the fuel tanks until about 1997, but I am not sure of the actual date these ports were incorporated.

Make sure the ports are big enough to allow access to the entire interior of the tanks in order to perform a complete cleaning of all internal surfaces. Otherwise, any biologic material will just regenerate and start the ugly cycle all over again.

 

Hope this helps you, Joel

 

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                                           THE  EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

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Re: Easy way to access the Amel Yacht Owners Group has been provided and paid for by longtime member.

rossirossix4
 

Hi,
You are welcome.  For years we pointed the domain AmelOwnersGroup.com to the old site.  It, along with AmelYachtOwnersGroup.com is now pointed to the new site.  Data (on the old site) showed monthly "hits" in the hundreds each month, so we knew many owners were using it.  We will keep AmelOwnerGroup.com active for another year at least and AmelYachtOwnersGroup.com indefinitely.  It is a very, very small price to pay for what has been an outstanding resource. 

Let me be a bit sentimental.  Before we bought our first Amel, a Santorin 16 years ago, I spent countless hours scouring the group for information about the reality of owning and operating an Amel and was thoroughly and I mean completely convinced that the Amel was a safe, well thought out cruising boat with minimal maintenance problems and good access to fix anything that needed to be fixed.  I'm happy to report that this indeed has been the case. 

But...our first real introduction to the Amel World (around 30+ years ago) was through the highly informative and well written ads by Joel Potter that appeared in Cruising World (along with other sailing magazines).  Joel did an amazing job of thoughtfully conveying just how good a boat these Amels were and I give him full credit for initiating our interest in these great boats.

Bob and Suzanne, KAIMI Super Maramu 429
Currently anchored in Fort-de-France and about to go over to dinner with newer Amel owners Paul and Lorraine on SM Maracuya


Cleaning Santorin Diesel tank #Wiki

Herbert Lackner
 

Hi Amelians,

just started to cross the pacific, after three days without wind, lot of waves and using the engine the water separator and the racor filter have been full of brown water. I cleaned it several times, after an hour it was always full again. I put out maybe 2 liters of brown ugly dirty water and we decided to sail back to Costa Rica to fix that. 

Up to now I never had any drop of water in the water separator, checked this once a year. We always fill up using a water-filter so it might be condensed water.
After changing and cleaning several times now (in shallow water) no dirt comes out, but there might be some more in the tank that is waiting for the next waves.

I do not know what the problem is, I assume that the water is there already since some time, but only when motoring in heavy seas (what we have not done for a long time) it was "shaked" and mixed with the clean diesel.  When we refueled in Golfito I added some Biozid, maybe this "killed" the bacteria and created the dirt...

Our Santorin has no service port for the diesel tank (for me that is a design issue...), so cleaning needs some creativity. Had anyone the same problem, how did you solve that? How to clean the tank to get all the dirt out without service port? 

Did anyone add a service port? 

thx, herbert, SN120, KALI MERA Costa Rica (again)


Re: Lee Sails or equivalent

Craig Briggs
 

Miles,
By "UK manufactured" sails, may I assume you mean United Kingdom, not the brand "UK Sailmakers". We've had two sets done by UK Sailmakers, one at their New York loft (actually made in China and finished at the NY loft) and one at their loft in Marmaris, Turkey (actually made at the loft in Marmaris). All have been excellent and very well priced. 
Craig SN68


Re: Lee Sails or equivalent

Ian Townsend
 

We've been very happy with our new TriRadial Cut Pro Radial Genoa made by Q Sails, part of Bill's Yacht School discount program. Great product and an even better price.

Ian & Margaret
S/V Loca Lola II
SM153
Exumas, Bahamas

On Mar 18, 2019, at 3:16 PM, smiles bernard via Groups.Io <smilesbernard=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hello

Does anyone have any experience of Lee Sails?

We are considering them as an almost half price alternative for UK manufactured sails.

Normally we get what we pay to a degree but the price difference is enough for me to pause and consider.

Our Maramu has the single spreader isomat masts without furler ( just slab reefing ) so reasonably simple sails

I am being quoted for fully battened with cars that go into the mast luff box - we have them currently and they work ok.

Any thoughts or experience most welcome

Many thanks

Miles
Maramu 162



Re: Different Yanmar 4JH3-HTE and other yanmar Specific Fuel Consumption

mr_hermanns
 

I've got a 4JH4-TE in a OG Maramu.

Burns about 1GPH at ~2,000-~2,100 RPM @ around 6kts'ish
@2,400RPM we do about 7kts'ish and burn over 2GPH.

Not sure if that helps ;)

--
Jeremy Hermanns - "Jer"
SVCerulean.com
Maramu #105
Marina Del Rey, CA


Re: Easy way to access the Amel Yacht Owners Group has been provided and paid for by longtime member.

mr_hermanns
 

Thanks Bob!


On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 10:38 AM CW Bill Rouse <main+owner@amelyachtowners.groups.io> wrote:
All,

Bob Rossi, longtime member of this group and owner of Super Maramu "KAIMI" has provided us with a domain name and easy to remember and use URL. From now on, you can use the URL of AmelYachtOwnersGroup.com to get to our group. Bob did the work and paid the costs.

Thanks, Bob, we appreciate it.
--
 
Best,
 
Bill Rouse
Yacht School  
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



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Re: Lee Sails or equivalent

 

Miles,

Some people who have had experience with Lee Sails may give a favorable answer because the Lee Sails they received were much better than the worn sails they replaced and the sails the Lee Sails were cheaper than anything else they could buy. However, that experience is no basis for comparison to other sails made by other sailmakers. Regarding Lee Sails, I have seen their sails installed on 2 SMs. They were not only cut the wrong size, but they were the worst made new sails I have ever seen...and I have seen plenty. 

Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 2:16 PM smiles bernard via Groups.Io <smilesbernard=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello

Does anyone have any experience of Lee Sails?

We are considering them as an almost half price alternative for UK manufactured sails.

Normally we get what we pay to a degree  but the price difference is enough for me to pause and consider.

Our Maramu has the single spreader isomat masts without furler ( just slab reefing ) so reasonably simple sails

I am being quoted for fully battened with cars that go into the mast luff box - we have them currently and they work ok.

Any thoughts or experience most welcome

Many thanks

Miles
Maramu 162




Lee Sails or equivalent

smiles bernard
 

Hello

Does anyone have any experience of Lee Sails?

We are considering them as an almost half price alternative for UK manufactured sails.

Normally we get what we pay to a degree but the price difference is enough for me to pause and consider.

Our Maramu has the single spreader isomat masts without furler ( just slab reefing ) so reasonably simple sails

I am being quoted for fully battened with cars that go into the mast luff box - we have them currently and they work ok.

Any thoughts or experience most welcome

Many thanks

Miles
Maramu 162


Re: Dual Pre Filters for Fuel

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hi Alan,

I have the same mechanics and installed twin 7550.

Work very well.

Jean-Pierre , Eleuthera,  SM007



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-------- Original message --------
From: "Alan "Woody" Wood" <woody@...>
Date: 19/03/2019 00:46 (GMT+12:00)
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Dual Pre Filters for Fuel

Hi guys..
I have a SM'97 with a TMD22-B 
and MDKDP 6,5 KW genset and would like to change the single pre-filter for a (Racor?) dual filter.  I have no idea what the flow rate is or how to calculate it so was wondering what model of dual filter you have switched to and if you mounted the unit higher on the bulkhead to create more space below for drainage? If so, was there a problem with fuel flow from the tank or priming after changing filters?
Thanks in advance.. 
Woody 


Re: Engine room lining on Amel 54

Courtney Gorman
 

Looks the same as my 54


On Mar 18, 2019, at 1:29 AM, s/v Paloma <sailingpaloma1@...> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

Is the A54 lining same as the one in the picture below?

If yes, Amel is still using the same lining on the A50... In which case, I would like to find a way to slow down or prevent deterioration. Also, they probably used the same on the A55 and A64.

s/v Paloma
2019 A50, #18


Re: Anode wear

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

Thanks to all for your good advice - I will check at the next haulout.

--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


Re: Gas pipe size - SM

Ian Park
 

Santorin is 8mm. 5/16”. Presume SM is same.


Gas pipe size - SM

David Cummane
 

Hi

Can someone advise the (copper) gas pipe size feeding into the gas locker on a SM?  I am sizing the fittings for the suggested Burkert solenoid valve (6013/125301)  but am not on board to measure the pipe.  I assume it is 1/4 inch.

Many thanks

David
SM #101