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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance question in case of total loss [1 Attachment]

 

Alex,

8.4.4 describes the terms of an "Automatic Termination for Total Loss." However, "8.4.1 – By you or us" specifies all of the conditions on which you can terminate...there are several options for you to terminate...remember as long as the loss date is prior to the termination date, you are covered for the loss. Also, 8.4.1 states, "Your contract is automatically suspended on the day following the sale at zero hour." I assume that you no longer own your boat, that, in fact, it has been sold to the salvage company.

I believe you have been given bad advice, but I am no expert.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


On Sat, Oct 13, 2018 at 9:27 AM Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Dear Amel owners,

On my insurance policy (Helvetia subscribed through insurance DeLassee) it says (article 8.4.4) that my insurance is automatically canceled in case of total loss - BUT (last line of that paragraph) that the insurance only stops when then settlement has been paid.

Which is why the insurance still ask me to pay the premium for this year and likely the next one (since it is 25% less than the agreed value I am contesting it).

Does your insurance says the same thing?

Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre

Re: Insurance question in case of total loss

greatketch@...
 

Alexandre,

(I am not a lawyer, and give no legal advice, I just read what the policy says...)

Our policy from Pantaenious has no such language in the event of a total loss. Your policy language is very troublesome to me because it seems to require you to keep paying premiums until you accept their settlement offer. Great incentive for them to drag it out as long as possible, and for you to settle for less than you are owed. 

Our policy has the following, which goes to a similar point but, to me, seems much fairer to all parties:

... the annual premium is deemed fully earned and non-refundable upon Pantaenius’ obligation to pay any claim, cost or damage reimbursement. Pantaenius shall have the right to offset any outstanding premium against any such obligation to make payment on a claim, cost, or damage reimbursement. 

In other words, if I (or they) cancel the policy before the end of the year, I receive a pro-rated refund--unless there has been a claim. In which case Pantaenius is owed the entire year's premium. If the entire year's premium has not yet been paid, they subtract the amount owed from the final claim settlement.  Payment of an owed settlement is not predicated on continued payment.  There is no requirement for ongoing payments in order to get the settlement for a loss covered by a valid policy, so no time pressure to accept the settlement, and no extra cash flow to them for being slow to pay.

To me, this seems only fair.  They have averaged the risks over the entire year, and if I have a claim they should be paid for that full year--no matter when the loss occurs. Our policy does not cover us one day at a time, but for the full year at one go.

By way of an extreme example, it would be unreasonable for me to have a total loss on the first day of the policy year, and then expect to pay only 1/365th of the annual premium.

Again, not legal advice, just my thoughts.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


---In amelyachtowners@..., <uster@...> wrote :

Dear Amel owners,

On my insurance policy (Helvetia subscribed through insurance DeLassee) it says (article 8.4.4) that my insurance is automatically canceled in case of total loss - BUT (last line of that paragraph) that the insurance only stops when then settlement has been paid.

Which is why the insurance still ask me to pay the premium for this year and likely the next one (since it is 25% less than the agreed value I am contesting it).

Does your insurance says the same thing?

Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre

Insurance question in case of total loss

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Dear Amel owners,

On my insurance policy (Helvetia subscribed through insurance DeLassee) it says (article 8.4.4) that my insurance is automatically canceled in case of total loss - BUT (last line of that paragraph) that the insurance only stops when then settlement has been paid.

Which is why the insurance still ask me to pay the premium for this year and likely the next one (since it is 25% less than the agreed value I am contesting it).

Does your insurance says the same thing?

Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre

Re: Change of group ownership

Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL
 

Jose Luis,

Good job since, I think, 2011 - that's yeoman's duty!  
Many thanks and fair winds.

Bill, that means you've got it thru 2025!

Cheers, 
Craig Briggs, SN68

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Change of group ownership

Peter Forbes
 

I agree, what a contribution - this is an outstanding group.

Thank you Bill for so gallantly taking on this role.

Peter
Peter Forbes
0044 7836 209730
Carango  Sailing Ketch
Amel 54 #035
In La Rochelle

On 12 Oct 2018, at 22:54, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Thank so much for your great support and help. 
This forum has been a wonderful resource over the years.
We know it is in good hand with Bill. 
Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Fri, 10/12/18, lji0041@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Change of group ownership
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Friday, October 12, 2018, 12:34 PM


 









To
all mates:
Most
of you know that I have been what Yahoo calls the
"owner" (primary administrator) of the Amel Yacht
Owners Group for some years. I assumed this position when
asked by the original founder and "owner" of the
group, Eric (Closereach).
I
have really enjoyed our group and all of its members.
Recently, I asked Bill Rouse to assume my position as I was
struggling to keep it due to personal reasons. Bill
graciously accepted. I will continue to be a member, but no
longer "owner." Yahoo must have one person
designated as "owner" for each currently
maintained Yahoo Group."
Bill
has been always helping me, as to others, and I am glad he
took a step forward when I could no longer sustain properly
my position.
I
still keep my Amel Euros 41, based in Burriana, in the
Spanish coast of the Mediterranean sea, although I currently
live in Madrid. Hope to see you guys sometime,
somewhere.
All
the bestJL





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Change of group ownership

islandpearl2_sm2k332
 

A huge thank you from us JL. This group has been amazing, and has added significantly to the Amel brand value in our view.

You should be very proud of what you achieved here over so many years, and as for Bill Rouse taking over, well done and thank you Bill. There could certainly be no better replacement.

This leaves us all with much confidence going forwards.

Colin & Lauren Streeter
SV Island Pearl II
Cape Town, South Africa

On Sat, 13 Oct. 2018, 07:37 rossidesigngroup@... [amelyachtowners], <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thank you so much!  Your group has made all the difference for so many of us!  Enjoy your retirement, you earned it!

Bob and Suzanne, KAIMI

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Climma A/C saltwater plumbing - Using barnacle buster.

rossirossix4
 

I know that most everyone knows this but...when mixing, add the acid to the water, not the water to the acid. Add small amounts at a time, and have a full water bottle for eye wash and a hose or sprinkler handy just in case you splash or spill.  Ditto for working with batteries.
Bob, KAIMI

Re: Change of group ownership

rossirossix4
 

Thank you so much!  Your group has made all the difference for so many of us!  Enjoy your retirement, you earned it!
Bob and Suzanne, KAIMI

New Administrator

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi JL,

I would like to add my thanks to you for the work you have done for this group. It has proved to be an amazing resource, indispensable I believe for the future of the Amel fleet. We have all had more pleasure from our boats because of this forum. You have been instrumental in maintaining the value of our boats. I will also add my thanks the the very knowledgeable contributors who have generously shared their knowledge, you know who they are so I wont name them.

Kind Regards and wishing you well for the future.

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Change of group ownership

Mike Ondra
 

Hello JL,

What you had started with this  bulletin board has become an indispensable tool for maintaining our wonderful vessels (and for many, their floating homes).

Kudos and great thanks to you for your service to our Amel sailing community.

Fair winds,

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

Rock Hall, MD

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 1:35 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Change of group ownership

 

 

To all mates:

 

Most of you know that I have been what Yahoo calls the "owner" (primary administrator) of the Amel Yacht Owners Group for some years. I assumed this position when asked by the original founder and "owner" of the group, Eric (Closereach).

 

I have really enjoyed our group and all of its members. Recently, I asked Bill Rouse to assume my position as I was struggling to keep it due to personal reasons. Bill graciously accepted. I will continue to be a member, but no longer "owner." Yahoo must have one person designated as "owner" for each currently maintained Yahoo Group."

 

Bill has been always helping me, as to others, and I am glad he took a step forward when I could no longer sustain properly my position.

 

I still keep my Amel Euros 41, based in Burriana, in the Spanish coast of the Mediterranean sea, although I currently live in Madrid. Hope to see you guys sometime, somewhere.

 

All the best

JL

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Change of group ownership

michael winand
 

Thanks for creating a great owners group. Fantastic sharing of Amel knowledge and knowhow.

On Sat, 13 Oct 2018 at 10:52, trifin@... [amelyachtowners]
wrote:
 

Hi JL,
Thank you for your work at the helm as Owner/Administrator. Since becoming a new Amel owner last year, I have found this group to be invaluable, and none of that happens without your work behind the scenes. Thank you.

Bill, thanks for taking over the responsibility, I’m sure you’ll do a fine job.

Cheers
Dean
SY STELLA
Amel 54#154

Re: Change of group ownership

Dean Gillies
 

Hi JL,
Thank you for your work at the helm as Owner/Administrator. Since becoming a new Amel owner last year, I have found this group to be invaluable, and none of that happens without your work behind the scenes. Thank you.

Bill, thanks for taking over the responsibility, I’m sure you’ll do a fine job.

Cheers
Dean
SY STELLA
Amel 54#154

Amel Yacht Owners Group

 

As a follow-up to Jose's email about "primary administrator" change to me, I would like to announce that we have 4 volunteer moderators. The primary duty of our moderators is to approve new members to the group. They are:
Mark McGovern - CARA
Gary Wells - ADAGIO
Mark Erdos - CREAM PUFF
Danny Simms - OCEAN PEARL

I changed the requirements for membership in the group to read: 
"Membership is restricted to either actual Amel Yacht owners, or those who plan to buy a new or used Amel Yacht. This group does not allow public advertising.  Please refrain from political issues, rude, or inappropriate language. 

To join: Please follow directions at SIGN IN and include your Amel, Model (Maramu, Mango, Santorin, Super Maramu, 54, 55, 64), and Hull Number, or a statement that you are looking for an Amel and Model  _______ ."

There are no other changes envisioned or planned.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Change of group ownership

karkauai
 

Thank you for taking that position on and doing a great job, I might add!  Enjoy your respite.

And Bill, thank you again for all you do for this great group of Amelians.  It was a real pleasure to finally meet you, and all the other folks at the Rendezvous.

Kent & Iris
S/V Kristy
SM 243

On Oct 12, 2018, at 5:54 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thank so much for your great support and help.
This forum has been a wonderful resource over the years.
We know it is in good hand with Bill.
Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Fri, 10/12/18, lji0041@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Change of group ownership
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Friday, October 12, 2018, 12:34 PM


 









To
all mates:
Most
of you know that I have been what Yahoo calls the
"owner" (primary administrator) of the Amel Yacht
Owners Group for some years. I assumed this position when
asked by the original founder and "owner" of the
group, Eric (Closereach).
I
have really enjoyed our group and all of its members.
Recently, I asked Bill Rouse to assume my position as I was
struggling to keep it due to personal reasons. Bill
graciously accepted. I will continue to be a member, but no
longer "owner." Yahoo must have one person
designated as "owner" for each currently
maintained Yahoo Group."
Bill
has been always helping me, as to others, and I am glad he
took a step forward when I could no longer sustain properly
my position.
I
still keep my Amel Euros 41, based in Burriana, in the
Spanish coast of the Mediterranean sea, although I currently
live in Madrid. Hope to see you guys sometime,
somewhere.
All
the bestJL




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Climma A/C saltwater plumbing - Using barnacle buster.

karkauai
 

Hi Eric,
I dilute the concentrate in 4 gallons of water, close the sea cock, and pour it in the sea chest with the AC cooling pump running.  After a gallon or so has been pumped through, I let it sit overnight and then run the AC pump with sea water as usual.

I do the same procedure with the Yanmar and Onan.

So far my hoses and manifold are all clean as a whistle after doing this twice a year for 10 years.

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM243

On Oct 11, 2018, at 11:48 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Kent,

Are we speaking about the AC cooling line?

My plan was you use the Barnacle buster circulating tank and hook it up to the input of the engine room

Manifold, then run a garden hose from the output seacock and back to the circulating bucket.

They suggested to use it for 4-6 hours.

Did you dilute the barnacle buster and if so what ratio?

I will also do so with the engine and genset. I plan on disconnecting the water input to the watermaker while doing this.

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 11:14 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Climma A/C saltwater plumbing - Using barnacle buster.

 

 

I just flush with B.B. and let it sit i the lines over night once a year.  So far all lines and manifold are free of any growth or scale.

Kent

SM 243

Kristy


On Oct 11, 2018, at 10:56 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Has anyone used barnacle buster and a circulating pump on the ac cooling water lines?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Change of group ownership

neurolept2
 

JL,


Thank you for a great job over the last several years.  I appreciate the time you put into making a cohesive site.


Tom Costello




From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of lji0041@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 1:34 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Change of group ownership
 
 

To all mates:

Most of you know that I have been what Yahoo calls the "owner" (primary administrator) of the Amel Yacht Owners Group for some years. I assumed this position when asked by the original founder and "owner" of the group, Eric (Closereach).

I have really enjoyed our group and all of its members. Recently, I asked Bill Rouse to assume my position as I was struggling to keep it due to personal reasons. Bill graciously accepted. I will continue to be a member, but no longer "owner." Yahoo must have one person designated as "owner" for each currently maintained Yahoo Group."

Bill has been always helping me, as to others, and I am glad he took a step forward when I could no longer sustain properly my position.

I still keep my Amel Euros 41, based in Burriana, in the Spanish coast of the Mediterranean sea, although I currently live in Madrid. Hope to see you guys sometime, somewhere.

All the best
JL

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Change of group ownership

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Thank so much for your great support and help.
This forum has been a wonderful resource over the years.
We know it is in good hand with Bill.
Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Fri, 10/12/18, lji0041@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Change of group ownership
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Friday, October 12, 2018, 12:34 PM


 









To
all mates:
Most
of you know that I have been what Yahoo calls the
"owner" (primary administrator) of the Amel Yacht
Owners Group for some years. I assumed this position when
asked by the original founder and "owner" of the
group, Eric (Closereach).
I
have really enjoyed our group and all of its members.
Recently, I asked Bill Rouse to assume my position as I was
struggling to keep it due to personal reasons. Bill
graciously accepted. I will continue to be a member, but no
longer "owner." Yahoo must have one person
designated as "owner" for each currently
maintained Yahoo Group."
Bill
has been always helping me, as to others, and I am glad he
took a step forward when I could no longer sustain properly
my position.
I
still keep my Amel Euros 41, based in Burriana, in the
Spanish coast of the Mediterranean sea, although I currently
live in Madrid. Hope to see you guys sometime,
somewhere.
All
the bestJL

Re: A54 Anchor wash pump

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

I don't know if the 54's native pump has special characteristics compared to a 53 pump, but I would be remiss if I did not point out that when we bought hull Nr. 350 in 2012 it came with a Shurflo with the outside metal casting already all rusted out...

It is now over six years later, we have anchored out thousands of times, always using the anchor wash pump...

... the Shurflo is still rusted out and still as powerful and 100% reliable as it was in 2012.

(It will probably fail tomorrow morning when we lift anchor, just to spite us).

Cheerio,


Peregrinus
SM2K Nr. 350 (2002)
At anchor, Porto Rafael, Sardinia

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Change of group ownership

Stephen Davis
 

Thank you JL for administering the group for all these years, and thanks to Bill for stepping up to take over this responsibility. 

Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72
KoOlina, Hawaii

On Oct 12, 2018, at 08:13, Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Agreed!!  Thank you both JL and Bill!


Porter
A54-152

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Oct 12, 2018, at 1:01 PM, John Clark john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I would like to thank you for all the work maintaining the site,  internet administration is not an easy job.   

Regards,  John

SV Annie
SM 37
Prickly Bay Grenada.

On Fri, Oct 12, 2018, 1:35 PM lji0041@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

To all mates:

Most of you know that I have been what Yahoo calls the "owner" (primary administrator) of the Amel Yacht Owners Group for some years. I assumed this position when asked by the original founder and "owner" of the group, Eric (Closereach).

I have really enjoyed our group and all of its members. Recently, I asked Bill Rouse to assume my position as I was struggling to keep it due to personal reasons. Bill graciously accepted. I will continue to be a member, but no longer "owner." Yahoo must have one person designated as "owner" for each currently maintained Yahoo Group."

Bill has been always helping me, as to others, and I am glad he took a step forward when I could no longer sustain properly my position.

I still keep my Amel Euros 41, based in Burriana, in the Spanish coast of the Mediterranean sea, although I currently live in Madrid. Hope to see you guys sometime, somewhere.

All the best
JL

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Change of group ownership

Porter McRoberts
 

Agreed!!  Thank you both JL and Bill!

Porter
A54-152

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Oct 12, 2018, at 1:01 PM, John Clark john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I would like to thank you for all the work maintaining the site,  internet administration is not an easy job.   

Regards,  John

SV Annie
SM 37
Prickly Bay Grenada.

On Fri, Oct 12, 2018, 1:35 PM lji0041@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

To all mates:

Most of you know that I have been what Yahoo calls the "owner" (primary administrator) of the Amel Yacht Owners Group for some years. I assumed this position when asked by the original founder and "owner" of the group, Eric (Closereach).

I have really enjoyed our group and all of its members. Recently, I asked Bill Rouse to assume my position as I was struggling to keep it due to personal reasons. Bill graciously accepted. I will continue to be a member, but no longer "owner." Yahoo must have one person designated as "owner" for each currently maintained Yahoo Group."

Bill has been always helping me, as to others, and I am glad he took a step forward when I could no longer sustain properly my position.

I still keep my Amel Euros 41, based in Burriana, in the Spanish coast of the Mediterranean sea, although I currently live in Madrid. Hope to see you guys sometime, somewhere.

All the best
JL