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Re: Greek Cruising Tax

James Alton
 

Kent and Iris,
   With regards to Mediterranean countries, it is my understanding that most require a competency license these days.  In Italy we sailed for 3 seasons before getting our ICC licenses and the license was never requested.  In Tunisia, they didn't ask either.  I am aware of a number of requests by authorities in Greece and Croatia for a license which pushed us to get this handled. If you want your ICC license and will be doing the testing in the States I believe that Mark Thompson with RYA in Florida is the only option.  He is a great guy and we enjoyed the process.  I will be very interested in the responses you get for the Pacific etc. Since we also hope to be there in a few more years.

Best,
James Alton
SV Sueno
Maramu #220

On Jun 2, 2019 11:22 AM, "karkauai via Groups.Io" <karkauai@...> wrote:
This discussion has made me realize that I really don’t have a clue about rules and regulations in countries we’ll be visiting on our 5-10 year cruise in the S Pacific and Med.  I’ve sailed the Caribbean extensively and have never been asked for any paperwork other than USCG boat registration, passports, and occasionally insurance coverage.

Iris has a 6-pack coast guard license, but I don’t know what it says about sailing in open waters, etc.  I am not licensed by the US Coast Guard, or any other agency.  If she flies home and I’m sailing single-handed for a while, will I be required to have any papers that show competency as we sail around the Med?

What about Central and S America and the S Pacific?

Other than Noonsite, are there any internet resources that spell out in detail what paperwork, insurance, taxes, permits, etc are required of cruisers?

Thanks for any ideas about how to assure we will have everything we need.

Kent& Iris
S/V Kristy
SM243

On Jun 2, 2019, at 6:26 AM, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...> wrote:

Mohammad and Aty

  Thanks for the advice and for the offer to help find an agent.    I am not sure of what the cost for this service my be but this option certainly sounds appealing for at least our first entry into Greece to insure that all of the i’s are dotted and the t’s crossed.   Mostly likely we will arrive in Greece from the North so a suggestion for a Port of entry and of an agent there would be very helpful.  We will be sailing around the boot of Italy from Sardinia and we want to visit Croatia and Greece for sure.  The gulf of Kotor in Montenegro looks appealing as well.  My wife would really like to see Venice so if the conditions are good we will head up to the North end first and work our way down the West coast to Greece.  If the conditions are not favourable for the trip North up the Adriatic the general plan is to cross to the West coast to Croatia somewhere, any suggestions on a port of entry?  We will have a bit over 4 months  this season so we will need to plan to be outside the Schengen area for a bit over a month so I think Croatia and Montenegro are our two options in that regard.  Any general routing suggestions from those familiar with this area would be appreciated.

Best,

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Sardinia

On Jun 1, 2019, at 3:09 AM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

Hi james;

There are several agents in most ports of entry in Greece. Most agents have counterparts that they work with in neighboring countries. We always ask for referrals from the agent we check out with for the next port of entry for the country we plan to check in.

This system has always worked for us. I find that most good people like to do business with people who have similar philosophy in business.

Let me know where you intend to check in at and I can try to find you a referral.

Respectfully;


Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
54 #099

On Jun 1, 2019, at 2:11 AM, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...> wrote:

Mohammad,

   Thanks for the excellent information in your reponses.  Was it very expensive to hire an agent to handle your paperwork?   Any suggestions for locating or hiring an agent?

Thanks,

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Sardinia

On May 31, 2019, at 4:49 PM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

We just had our agent in Corfu handle the tax payment for us since the website kept crashing and not everyone knows the exact process yet.

It was pretty painless. Our information is 8 Euros/meter per month. So for a 12 meter yacht, that comes out to 96 Euros.

Respectfully;


Mohammad

On May 31, 2019, at 7:29 PM, Gerhard Mueller via Groups.Io <carcode@...> wrote:

You can either put your boat on the hard or deposit your boatspapers to the next Hellenic Coastguard to not  to pay this tax.
If you are a happy owner of an Amel Sharki (11.95 meter) you pay only 33,- Euro each month when cruising in Greece waters.
Be careful about the Hellenic Coastguard. Last weekend a motorboat owner was fined with 100,- Euro in Messinian Bay in front of Kalamata because his driving license was not in greece language.
The website for registration the boat tax (see link above) is very strange to handle.
--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece



Re: Greek Cruising Tax

karkauai
 

This discussion has made me realize that I really don’t have a clue about rules and regulations in countries we’ll be visiting on our 5-10 year cruise in the S Pacific and Med.  I’ve sailed the Caribbean extensively and have never been asked for any paperwork other than USCG boat registration, passports, and occasionally insurance coverage.

Iris has a 6-pack coast guard license, but I don’t know what it says about sailing in open waters, etc.  I am not licensed by the US Coast Guard, or any other agency.  If she flies home and I’m sailing single-handed for a while, will I be required to have any papers that show competency as we sail around the Med?

What about Central and S America and the S Pacific?

Other than Noonsite, are there any internet resources that spell out in detail what paperwork, insurance, taxes, permits, etc are required of cruisers?

Thanks for any ideas about how to assure we will have everything we need.

Kent& Iris
S/V Kristy
SM243

On Jun 2, 2019, at 6:26 AM, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...> wrote:

Mohammad and Aty

  Thanks for the advice and for the offer to help find an agent.    I am not sure of what the cost for this service my be but this option certainly sounds appealing for at least our first entry into Greece to insure that all of the i’s are dotted and the t’s crossed.   Mostly likely we will arrive in Greece from the North so a suggestion for a Port of entry and of an agent there would be very helpful.  We will be sailing around the boot of Italy from Sardinia and we want to visit Croatia and Greece for sure.  The gulf of Kotor in Montenegro looks appealing as well.  My wife would really like to see Venice so if the conditions are good we will head up to the North end first and work our way down the West coast to Greece.  If the conditions are not favourable for the trip North up the Adriatic the general plan is to cross to the West coast to Croatia somewhere, any suggestions on a port of entry?  We will have a bit over 4 months  this season so we will need to plan to be outside the Schengen area for a bit over a month so I think Croatia and Montenegro are our two options in that regard.  Any general routing suggestions from those familiar with this area would be appreciated.

Best,

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Sardinia

On Jun 1, 2019, at 3:09 AM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

Hi james;

There are several agents in most ports of entry in Greece. Most agents have counterparts that they work with in neighboring countries. We always ask for referrals from the agent we check out with for the next port of entry for the country we plan to check in.

This system has always worked for us. I find that most good people like to do business with people who have similar philosophy in business.

Let me know where you intend to check in at and I can try to find you a referral.

Respectfully;


Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
54 #099

On Jun 1, 2019, at 2:11 AM, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...> wrote:

Mohammad,

   Thanks for the excellent information in your reponses.  Was it very expensive to hire an agent to handle your paperwork?   Any suggestions for locating or hiring an agent?

Thanks,

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Sardinia

On May 31, 2019, at 4:49 PM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

We just had our agent in Corfu handle the tax payment for us since the website kept crashing and not everyone knows the exact process yet.

It was pretty painless. Our information is 8 Euros/meter per month. So for a 12 meter yacht, that comes out to 96 Euros.

Respectfully;


Mohammad

On May 31, 2019, at 7:29 PM, Gerhard Mueller via Groups.Io <carcode@...> wrote:

You can either put your boat on the hard or deposit your boatspapers to the next Hellenic Coastguard to not  to pay this tax.
If you are a happy owner of an Amel Sharki (11.95 meter) you pay only 33,- Euro each month when cruising in Greece waters.
Be careful about the Hellenic Coastguard. Last weekend a motorboat owner was fined with 100,- Euro in Messinian Bay in front of Kalamata because his driving license was not in greece language.
The website for registration the boat tax (see link above) is very strange to handle.
--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece


Re: Greek Cruising Tax

James Alton
 

Mohammad and Aty

  Thanks for the advice and for the offer to help find an agent.    I am not sure of what the cost for this service my be but this option certainly sounds appealing for at least our first entry into Greece to insure that all of the i’s are dotted and the t’s crossed.   Mostly likely we will arrive in Greece from the North so a suggestion for a Port of entry and of an agent there would be very helpful.  We will be sailing around the boot of Italy from Sardinia and we want to visit Croatia and Greece for sure.  The gulf of Kotor in Montenegro looks appealing as well.  My wife would really like to see Venice so if the conditions are good we will head up to the North end first and work our way down the West coast to Greece.  If the conditions are not favourable for the trip North up the Adriatic the general plan is to cross to the West coast to Croatia somewhere, any suggestions on a port of entry?  We will have a bit over 4 months  this season so we will need to plan to be outside the Schengen area for a bit over a month so I think Croatia and Montenegro are our two options in that regard.  Any general routing suggestions from those familiar with this area would be appreciated.

Best,

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Sardinia

On Jun 1, 2019, at 3:09 AM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

Hi james;

There are several agents in most ports of entry in Greece. Most agents have counterparts that they work with in neighboring countries. We always ask for referrals from the agent we check out with for the next port of entry for the country we plan to check in.

This system has always worked for us. I find that most good people like to do business with people who have similar philosophy in business.

Let me know where you intend to check in at and I can try to find you a referral.

Respectfully;


Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
54 #099

On Jun 1, 2019, at 2:11 AM, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...> wrote:

Mohammad,

   Thanks for the excellent information in your reponses.  Was it very expensive to hire an agent to handle your paperwork?   Any suggestions for locating or hiring an agent?

Thanks,

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Sardinia

On May 31, 2019, at 4:49 PM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

We just had our agent in Corfu handle the tax payment for us since the website kept crashing and not everyone knows the exact process yet.

It was pretty painless. Our information is 8 Euros/meter per month. So for a 12 meter yacht, that comes out to 96 Euros.

Respectfully;


Mohammad

On May 31, 2019, at 7:29 PM, Gerhard Mueller via Groups.Io <carcode@...> wrote:

You can either put your boat on the hard or deposit your boatspapers to the next Hellenic Coastguard to not  to pay this tax.
If you are a happy owner of an Amel Sharki (11.95 meter) you pay only 33,- Euro each month when cruising in Greece waters.
Be careful about the Hellenic Coastguard. Last weekend a motorboat owner was fined with 100,- Euro in Messinian Bay in front of Kalamata because his driving license was not in greece language.
The website for registration the boat tax (see link above) is very strange to handle.
--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece


Re: Greek Cruising Tax

James Alton
 

Hallo Michael,

   Yes, my boat is non-EU so perhaps I do need to pay through customs.  I am thinking of using an agent for at least the first clearing in to be sure that I get everything correct.   I check the link that you provided and also explored your website some, very nice!  I hope that you and Sioned have a good sailing season.  Maybe we will cross wakes sometime.  

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
Arbatax Sardinia

On Jun 1, 2019, at 4:04 AM, amel@... wrote:

I wrote a summary of the whole process on my website:

https://www.sionell.de/sioned/index.php/tips-und-tricks/72-griechische-yachtsteuer-t

German language only, sorry, but you might engage Google Translate...

There is also a comprehensive summary for members of the British Cruising Association in their member area with a lot of discussion about in the member forums.

@Rink:

You can pay either with a SEPA transfer from your bank account using the IBAN you find in the official FAQ or at one of the authorized collection agencies listed in that FAQ in cash. I would recommend an ELTA office as they seem to have the least problems.

As for non EU boats, as far as I know you have to pay through customs.

Re: Greek Cruising Tax

James Alton
 

Tony and Lel Wells,

   Thanks for providing the details of the insurance required for sailing Greek waters.  My renewal is coming up shortly and I will check to be sure that all of these requirements including the translation are included.  I have printed out your post for reference.  

Best,

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
Arbatax, Sardinia

On Jun 1, 2019, at 4:05 AM, tony wells via Groups.Io <tony.wells@...> wrote:

You should have a “Greek Compulsory Third Party Yacht Liability Endorsement” from your insurer, translated into Greek. It needs to clearly state the following levels of cover to satisfy Greek legal requirements:

Personal injury / death: €500k per accident 
Personal injury: €50k per passenger 
Material damage of any type: €150k per accident or occurrence in aggregate for the policy year
Pollution: €150k per accident or occurrence in the aggregate for the policy year

The above wording is copied from my document. I’m sure your insurance broker / provider will be familiar with this requirement and issue the one page document required. 

I have seen skippers applications for their Dekpa’s being rejected by the Port Police when  not having this precise document with clearly stated limits. 

Incidentally, all the permit/tax processes are straightforward - not much more cumbersome than the many pre-registration websites / island formalities experienced around the Caribbean. Assuming the Tepai tax website works, of course, as others have noted! 

Hope this helps

Tony & Lel Wells
A54 #102 Balthazar, Ionian Sea, Greece 



On 1 Jun 2019, at 09:10, Gerhard Mueller via Groups.Io <carcode@...> wrote:

James

No, there is no need to have translated papers of any kind into Greek language.
However recently the Hellenic Coastguard here in Kalamata (Messinian Bay) fined a German motorboat owner for his papers.
He has had only papers to use his boat in german inland waters (rivers and chanels) but not at coastal waters or even at sea.
We others first thought the fine was because his papers are not greek language. After some investigation we found out that he has no licenses to drive at sea.
-- 
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece
Re: 220 volt exhaust blower replacement

rossirossix4
 

Agree on the wimpy 220V exhaust blower.....after installing a new capacitor (original spec) it works OK but seems about half the flow of the engine fans--others, trying to juice it up with a capacitor have noted burning smells, I think.  The watermaker pump is another device that has to work in high heat.  We have a 220V outlet high up on the forward bulkhead of the engine room and a 220v fan aimed at the watermaker and charger (also used off the inverter or shore power when working in the engine room).  Like many others with solar we only run the generator to make water....so that and the charger are always working when the generator is on.  If others are not close around I open the engine compartment to keep things cooler but we shouldn't have to do so.

Maybe someone has a good, more powerful, replacement for the extractor fan--by definition when the generator is going we don't need to skimp on 220 power.  Or maybe there is a way to activate the engine blowers when the generator is on.  I like the idea of manually switched engine blowers. In hot climates, frequently when we switch off the motor we like to vent the heat out of the engine room and usually open the engine hatch to do so.  In many situations the batteries are charged up and we would still have enough solar to offset the fans.  

Bob and Suzanne, KAIMI SM429
Spaanse Water, Curacao
Re: 220 volt exhaust blower replacement

Thomas Kleman
 

Thanks Bill- mine is just bungied to the ceiling and puts out very little air now. I think I know why my previous Mastervolt 100 amp charger may have failed. Not sure it had an ambient temp cutoff circuit. It may have just baked over time due to high temp in the engine room during use of the genset. Based on what spare parts from Climma/veco cost, an industrial exhaust extractor fan (available everywhere and cheap) will fit nicely and dramatically boost airflow. To avoid the Amel purist red card, I'll save the old fan for a possible next owner of #422.
Re: Greek Cruising Tax

tony wells
 

You should have a “Greek Compulsory Third Party Yacht Liability Endorsement” from your insurer, translated into Greek. It needs to clearly state the following levels of cover to satisfy Greek legal requirements:

Personal injury / death: €500k per accident 
Personal injury: €50k per passenger 
Material damage of any type: €150k per accident or occurrence in aggregate for the policy year
Pollution: €150k per accident or occurrence in the aggregate for the policy year

The above wording is copied from my document. I’m sure your insurance broker / provider will be familiar with this requirement and issue the one page document required. 

I have seen skippers applications for their Dekpa’s being rejected by the Port Police when  not having this precise document with clearly stated limits. 

Incidentally, all the permit/tax processes are straightforward - not much more cumbersome than the many pre-registration websites / island formalities experienced around the Caribbean. Assuming the Tepai tax website works, of course, as others have noted! 

Hope this helps

Tony & Lel Wells
A54 #102 Balthazar, Ionian Sea, Greece 



On 1 Jun 2019, at 09:10, Gerhard Mueller via Groups.Io <carcode@...> wrote:

James

No, there is no need to have translated papers of any kind into Greek language.
However recently the Hellenic Coastguard here in Kalamata (Messinian Bay) fined a German motorboat owner for his papers.
He has had only papers to use his boat in german inland waters (rivers and chanels) but not at coastal waters or even at sea.
We others first thought the fine was because his papers are not greek language. After some investigation we found out that he has no licenses to drive at sea.
--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece

Re: Greek Cruising Tax

@Sioned
 

I wrote a summary of the whole process on my website:

https://www.sionell.de/sioned/index.php/tips-und-tricks/72-griechische-yachtsteuer-t

German language only, sorry, but you might engage Google Translate...

There is also a comprehensive summary for members of the British Cruising Association in their member area with a lot of discussion about in the member forums.

@Rink:

You can pay either with a SEPA transfer from your bank account using the IBAN you find in the official FAQ or at one of the authorized collection agencies listed in that FAQ in cash. I would recommend an ELTA office as they seem to have the least problems.

As for non EU boats, as far as I know you have to pay through customs.
Re: 220 volt exhaust blower replacement

Gerhard Mueller
 

Thomas

You can get spare parts fror Victron devices directly from Victron.
See: https://www.victronenergy.com/chargers
--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece
Re: Greek Cruising Tax

Gerhard Mueller
 

James

No, there is no need to have translated papers of any kind into Greek language.
However recently the Hellenic Coastguard here in Kalamata (Messinian Bay) fined a German motorboat owner for his papers.
He has had only papers to use his boat in german inland waters (rivers and chanels) but not at coastal waters or even at sea.
We others first thought the fine was because his papers are not greek language. After some investigation we found out that he has no licenses to drive at sea.
--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece
Re: Greek Cruising Tax

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi james;

There are several agents in most ports of entry in Greece. Most agents have counterparts that they work with in neighboring countries. We always ask for referrals from the agent we check out with for the next port of entry for the country we plan to check in.

This system has always worked for us. I find that most good people like to do business with people who have similar philosophy in business.

Let me know where you intend to check in at and I can try to find you a referral.

Respectfully;


Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
54 #099

On Jun 1, 2019, at 2:11 AM, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...> wrote:

Mohammad,

   Thanks for the excellent information in your reponses.  Was it very expensive to hire an agent to handle your paperwork?   Any suggestions for locating or hiring an agent?

Thanks,

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Sardinia

On May 31, 2019, at 4:49 PM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

We just had our agent in Corfu handle the tax payment for us since the website kept crashing and not everyone knows the exact process yet.

It was pretty painless. Our information is 8 Euros/meter per month. So for a 12 meter yacht, that comes out to 96 Euros.

Respectfully;


Mohammad

On May 31, 2019, at 7:29 PM, Gerhard Mueller via Groups.Io <carcode@...> wrote:

You can either put your boat on the hard or deposit your boatspapers to the next Hellenic Coastguard to not  to pay this tax.
If you are a happy owner of an Amel Sharki (11.95 meter) you pay only 33,- Euro each month when cruising in Greece waters.
Be careful about the Hellenic Coastguard. Last weekend a motorboat owner was fined with 100,- Euro in Messinian Bay in front of Kalamata because his driving license was not in greece language.
The website for registration the boat tax (see link above) is very strange to handle.
--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece

Re: Greek Cruising Tax

James Alton
 

Gerhard Mueller,

   Thanks this is very helpful!  

   I had not heard about the need for my boaters license (ICC in my case) to be translated into Greek?  I wonder if this applies to the radio license or any other papers as well?    Would you know if the translation needs to be certified or can just be done using Google to be accepted?  

   The Maramu specifications that I have show  the LOA to be 13.8M which is what I have been using.  Amel has stated more than one length for this model however so I want to be sure to use the correct number.  Would anyone know the LOA for the Maramu that is accepted by the Greek authorities?  

Best,

James
SV Sueno
1987 Maramu #220

On May 31, 2019, at 5:01 PM, Gerhard Mueller via Groups.Io <carcode@...> wrote:

James

For entering the first time in Greek waters you need also the so called DEKPA (Cruising Permit).
It is for 51 Euro the first year and any boat length and may be another 15 Euro for handling. Each year at the exact right time it needs a stamp from the Hellenic Coastguard which is for free.
The boat tax TEPAI however has to be payed for each month the boat is cruising and not on the hard or out of order (not used). It is needed for boats from 7 meters length on (16, 25 or 33 Euro/month). Boats with a length above 12 meter pay however 8 Euro per month and meter. So for e.g. the Maramu (15.43 meter = 16 x 8) it is 128 Euro per month.
--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece

Re: Greek Cruising Tax

James Alton
 

Mohammad,

   Thanks for the excellent information in your reponses.  Was it very expensive to hire an agent to handle your paperwork?   Any suggestions for locating or hiring an agent?

Thanks,

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Sardinia

On May 31, 2019, at 4:49 PM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

We just had our agent in Corfu handle the tax payment for us since the website kept crashing and not everyone knows the exact process yet.

It was pretty painless. Our information is 8 Euros/meter per month. So for a 12 meter yacht, that comes out to 96 Euros.

Respectfully;


Mohammad

On May 31, 2019, at 7:29 PM, Gerhard Mueller via Groups.Io <carcode@...> wrote:

You can either put your boat on the hard or deposit your boatspapers to the next Hellenic Coastguard to not  to pay this tax.
If you are a happy owner of an Amel Sharki (11.95 meter) you pay only 33,- Euro each month when cruising in Greece waters.
Be careful about the Hellenic Coastguard. Last weekend a motorboat owner was fined with 100,- Euro in Messinian Bay in front of Kalamata because his driving license was not in greece language.
The website for registration the boat tax (see link above) is very strange to handle.
--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece

Re: Greek Cruising Tax

James Alton
 

Rink,

    A big help, thanks for the response.  The website you provided also has a lot of helpful information in it.  I would agree that a fine of 1,100 Euros for above 12M is definitely “hefty” so I want to be sure to understand and comply with the requirements.  One question that I still have that I am not clear on is whether payment the TEPAI  can be done as a part of the clearing in formalities or should I try to handle this prior to entering Greek Territorial waters?  

    My vessel is US flagged, would you know if this number can be entered on the Webform without problems?

   Cruising Greece has been a long time dream for the wife and I and we would like all of the paperwork to go as smoothly as possible and we certainly appreciate your help on this.

James

SV Sueno
Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Sardinia

On May 31, 2019, at 1:37 PM, Rink De Haan <rinkdehaan@...> wrote:

Hi James

As Mohammad said you only have to pay when sailing / ship out of the marina / out of customs bond . This was a Point of debate. At first you were excluded when your ship was on the hard. Now it is when your ship is in a marina / Harbour and you have your ship in customs bond. This you have to do at the Port Authorities. It is quite well explained at the FAQ part of the website mentioned. 

When you register at the website you will get a form with the appropriate amount generated. You have to go to a Greek bank or post office and pay it. Keep all forms and receipts on board. 

Using the webforms could generate errors. Most likely it will be the ships registration number which doesn’t fit the format. If so contact me. 

Cheers
Rink

Van: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io namens James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...>
Verzonden: vrijdag, mei 31, 2019 4:06 PM
Aan: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Onderwerp: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Greek Cruising Tax
 
Rink de Haan,

   We plan to enter Greek waters this season and were considering storing in Greece as well.  Can you tell me if this tax applies to vessels in storage?  Thanks for sharing the link and this information,  sure don’t want to be paying hefty fines.

James

SV Sueno
Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Sardinia

On May 31, 2019, at 10:43 AM, Rink De Haan <rinkdehaan@...> wrote:

Dear all (cruising in Greek Waters),

Since many years there is a discussion about a "Cruising Tax" for ships in Greek waters.
It appears to be in place since the beginning of May. I received confirmation of this from Lefkas Marina where my ship is.
I checked the procedure and submitted my tax form today. Now waiting for payment instructions.

The tax for a Super Maramu (15.9 meters) will be €127 a month sailing). Fines of not paying are quite hefty. 

 

For log in and completion of the procedure please click at https://www1.aade.gr/aadeapps2/etepai/ (choose English).
The is a FAQ and a manual.

Best regards,
Rink de Haan
SM2K #330 Razor's Edge
Lefkas Marina, Greece

 
Re: 220 volt exhaust blower replacement

CW Bill Rouse
 

Thomas,

I am 99% sure that it is a Blower from a Climma A/C. You can probably get a replacement in Europe from http://www.veco.net/

BTW, I have always felt that this blower is not strong enough.

Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 3:30 PM Thomas Kleman <lorient422@...> wrote:
On SM #422 my brand new Victron 100 amp charger gave me an ambient temp warning and lowered it's output. I've noticed that the 220 volt blower above the genset is weak even after I changed the capacitor. I'm hoping that the fact I had left on the incandescent engine room light by mistake, inches from the charger, was partly to blame for this but I feel like the blower should be doing more. Anyone know what the replacement for this blower is ?

220 volt exhaust blower replacement

Thomas Kleman
 

On SM #422 my brand new Victron 100 amp charger gave me an ambient temp warning and lowered it's output. I've noticed that the 220 volt blower above the genset is weak even after I changed the capacitor. I'm hoping that the fact I had left on the incandescent engine room light by mistake, inches from the charger, was partly to blame for this but I feel like the blower should be doing more. Anyone know what the replacement for this blower is ?
Re: Greek Cruising Tax

Gerhard Mueller
 

James

For entering the first time in Greek waters you need also the so called DEKPA (Cruising Permit).
It is for 51 Euro the first year and any boat length and may be another 15 Euro for handling. Each year at the exact right time it needs a stamp from the Hellenic Coastguard which is for free.
The boat tax TEPAI however has to be payed for each month the boat is cruising and not on the hard or out of order (not used). It is needed for boats from 7 meters length on (16, 25 or 33 Euro/month). Boats with a length above 12 meter pay however 8 Euro per month and meter. So for e.g. the Maramu (15.43 meter = 16 x 8) it is 128 Euro per month.
--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece
Re: Greek Cruising Tax

Mohammad Shirloo
 

We just had our agent in Corfu handle the tax payment for us since the website kept crashing and not everyone knows the exact process yet.

It was pretty painless. Our information is 8 Euros/meter per month. So for a 12 meter yacht, that comes out to 96 Euros.

Respectfully;


Mohammad

On May 31, 2019, at 7:29 PM, Gerhard Mueller via Groups.Io <carcode@...> wrote:

You can either put your boat on the hard or deposit your boatspapers to the next Hellenic Coastguard to not  to pay this tax.
If you are a happy owner of an Amel Sharki (11.95 meter) you pay only 33,- Euro each month when cruising in Greece waters.
Be careful about the Hellenic Coastguard. Last weekend a motorboat owner was fined with 100,- Euro in Messinian Bay in front of Kalamata because his driving license was not in greece language.
The website for registration the boat tax (see link above) is very strange to handle.
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Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece

Re: Greek Cruising Tax

tony wells
 

Excellent explanations Rink and Mohammad. 

You can also pay the tax via your usual international online banking (to the Greek tax office using their Iban/swift codes - all explained in the FAQ section per previous link) and simply evidence that payment with a screenshot of your payment or receipt. You will need to evidence payment to get your annual cruising permit, the Dekpa (in addition to the Tepai tax). 

Note the length of boat is to 2 decimal points. The fine for understating the length is the same as for non payment - for a Super Maramu / A54 it’s approx €1,100! Plus the tax due. 

Regards

Tony & Lel Wells
A54 #102, Balthazar - Ionian Sea, Greece



On 31 May 2019, at 19:37, Rink De Haan <rinkdehaan@...> wrote:

Hi James

As Mohammad said you only have to pay when sailing / ship out of the marina / out of customs bond . This was a Point of debate. At first you were excluded when your ship was on the hard. Now it is when your ship is in a marina / Harbour and you have your ship in customs bond. This you have to do at the Port Authorities. It is quite well explained at the FAQ part of the website mentioned. 

When you register at the website you will get a form with the appropriate amount generated. You have to go to a Greek bank or post office and pay it. Keep all forms and receipts on board. 

Using the webforms could generate errors. Most likely it will be the ships registration number which doesn’t fit the format. If so contact me. 

Cheers
Rink

Van: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io namens James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...>
Verzonden: vrijdag, mei 31, 2019 4:06 PM
Aan: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Onderwerp: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Greek Cruising Tax
 
Rink de Haan,

   We plan to enter Greek waters this season and were considering storing in Greece as well.  Can you tell me if this tax applies to vessels in storage?  Thanks for sharing the link and this information,  sure don’t want to be paying hefty fines.

James

SV Sueno
Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Sardinia

On May 31, 2019, at 10:43 AM, Rink De Haan <rinkdehaan@...> wrote:

Dear all (cruising in Greek Waters),

Since many years there is a discussion about a "Cruising Tax" for ships in Greek waters.
It appears to be in place since the beginning of May. I received confirmation of this from Lefkas Marina where my ship is.
I checked the procedure and submitted my tax form today. Now waiting for payment instructions.

The tax for a Super Maramu (15.9 meters) will be €127 a month sailing). Fines of not paying are quite hefty. 

 

For log in and completion of the procedure please click at https://www1.aade.gr/aadeapps2/etepai/ (choose English).
The is a FAQ and a manual.

Best regards,
Rink de Haan
SM2K #330 Razor's Edge
Lefkas Marina, Greece

 
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