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Re: New sails

Paul Osterberg
 

Stephen
I'm not please with the shape. Give poor up wind performance. My very old sail that come with our Amel performed better. I have bought new sails to my earlier boats at three times before , I have always felt that I got like a new and better boat. Not this time the other way I'm said to say.
They Wrinkle more than any other furling sail I have had when furling, Leach vibrating a lot unless I pull the leach line very hard, giving a poor shape,. Now they start to de-laminate causing repair. The top of my head sail was almost detached from the rest of the sail, caused by de-lamination said the sail maker who repaired it. They are "only" three years old, but we have sailed from Turkey crossed the Atlantic up US eat coast to Maine and back to The Caribbean. so they have made a few miles, but I did expect more miles out of them, they ar made in cruising laminate and not Hydranet
Hope others have a better experience than I have
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259
Re: The two "sticks" on the genoa top swivel

Mike Longcor (SV Trilogy)
 

Thank you, Bill!

Just a couple more questions about this top swivel regarding halyard and sail attachment... Is there a preferred method other than the big D shackle, which doesn't seem like a good fit, for attaching the halyard? And for the genoa, we have it tacked straight to the smaller D shackle at the bottom and some Spectra lashing it to the bottom of the top swivel. Are there better arrangements? Dyneema soft shackles for the top swivel attachments perhaps? Any issues with the genoa tack attaching straight to the bottom shackle? (there was a Spectra lashing here too originally).

Couple of photos are attached. As you can see, the sticks are installed with some colorful garden hose for protection, which was what we had available. Ends are capped off as well.

Regards,
Mike & Hannah


On Wed, 22 May 2019, 12:44 CW Bill Rouse, <brouse@...> wrote:
Mike,

Here is a photo of what Danny describes:
image.png
Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 11:34 AM SV Trilogy <svtrilogy53@...> wrote:
Thank you, Danny! We will definitely take a close look at the swivel regarding the tongue and nylon pencil. We very much appreciate the specialty Amel knowledge here!

Cheers,
Mike & Hannah
SV Trilogy, SM#23
Panama

On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 2:31 PM Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

Hi Mike,

a while back I posted a photo of a tongue that goes through the inner of the swivel and into the slot in the foil. This locates the center and prevents the scratching you mention. This tongue often wears through. A number of SM owners have found this. There is one important feature, which if missing allows this wear to occur. This is a nylon "pencil" that sits in the foil with a mating slot in it for this tongue. I believe this "pencil" is often lost when non Amel riggers are doing work. The tongue is secured by two grub screws easily accessed. I suggest you check for the tongue and the nylon pencil. I am picking you will find both missing.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 20 May 2019 at 03:14 SV Trilogy <svtrilogy53@...> wrote:

Thanks everyone for the informative responses on this topic. We're having a new set of horns fabricated and plan to cover them with some hose material. Anything one can do to reduce halyard wraps, cuts, jams, etc. is certainly worthwhile.

On a side note, while up at the masthead I noticed the foil/extrusion was heavily scratched around it's circumference for several inches right where the top swivel would sit. Perhaps there's an issue with our top swivel and it should be taken apart and serviced? Although while at deck level it spins easily and sounds very smooth. Or maybe the threads on the one horn we had up there were too long and made contact with the foil while furling? Just wondering if anyone has ever seen anything similar on their boat. Sorry no photo at the moment but I'll try and get one.

Cheers,
Mike & Hannah
SV Trilogy, SM#23
Panama


On Mon, 13 May 2019, 08:05 Gary Wells, < gary@...> wrote:
A short piece of fuel line and some contact cement make good "caps" for those 'horns'.
Having experienced a halyard wrap up there once, I wouldn't consider running without them.
If you are doing regular maintenance on the swivel then it's far less likely the horns would touch the mast, but if the swivel jams even slightly the horns are the best defense against getting the halyard wrapped and broken at the masthead.  
Can't really explain how I discovered this.  :)

Gary W.
SM 209, "Adagio"
Beaufort, NC USA

 

 



--
Mike & Hannah
SVTrilogy
Re: New sails

Stephen Davis
 

What in particular are you unhappy with on your sails?

Steve
Aloha SM 72

On May 22, 2019, at 2:34 PM, Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:

We have sails from Q sails that we bought three years ago, can't say we are pleased with them on the contrary, would not buy from them again.
Paul SY Kerpa SM#259

Re: New sails

Paul Osterberg
 

As I put in an earlier reply, we are not pleased with our sails from Q-sails that we bought three ears ago, therefore we are already in the market for a new set of sails.
Paul SY Kerpa SM#259
Re: New sails

Paul Osterberg
 

We have sails from Q sails that we bought three years ago, can't say we are pleased with them on the contrary, would not buy from them again.
Paul SY Kerpa SM#259
Re: The two "sticks" on the genoa top swivel

CW Bill Rouse
 

Mike,

Here is a photo of what Danny describes:
image.png
Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 11:34 AM SV Trilogy <svtrilogy53@...> wrote:
Thank you, Danny! We will definitely take a close look at the swivel regarding the tongue and nylon pencil. We very much appreciate the specialty Amel knowledge here!

Cheers,
Mike & Hannah
SV Trilogy, SM#23
Panama

On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 2:31 PM Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

Hi Mike,

a while back I posted a photo of a tongue that goes through the inner of the swivel and into the slot in the foil. This locates the center and prevents the scratching you mention. This tongue often wears through. A number of SM owners have found this. There is one important feature, which if missing allows this wear to occur. This is a nylon "pencil" that sits in the foil with a mating slot in it for this tongue. I believe this "pencil" is often lost when non Amel riggers are doing work. The tongue is secured by two grub screws easily accessed. I suggest you check for the tongue and the nylon pencil. I am picking you will find both missing.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 20 May 2019 at 03:14 SV Trilogy <svtrilogy53@...> wrote:

Thanks everyone for the informative responses on this topic. We're having a new set of horns fabricated and plan to cover them with some hose material. Anything one can do to reduce halyard wraps, cuts, jams, etc. is certainly worthwhile.

On a side note, while up at the masthead I noticed the foil/extrusion was heavily scratched around it's circumference for several inches right where the top swivel would sit. Perhaps there's an issue with our top swivel and it should be taken apart and serviced? Although while at deck level it spins easily and sounds very smooth. Or maybe the threads on the one horn we had up there were too long and made contact with the foil while furling? Just wondering if anyone has ever seen anything similar on their boat. Sorry no photo at the moment but I'll try and get one.

Cheers,
Mike & Hannah
SV Trilogy, SM#23
Panama


On Mon, 13 May 2019, 08:05 Gary Wells, < gary@...> wrote:
A short piece of fuel line and some contact cement make good "caps" for those 'horns'.
Having experienced a halyard wrap up there once, I wouldn't consider running without them.
If you are doing regular maintenance on the swivel then it's far less likely the horns would touch the mast, but if the swivel jams even slightly the horns are the best defense against getting the halyard wrapped and broken at the masthead.  
Can't really explain how I discovered this.  :)

Gary W.
SM 209, "Adagio"
Beaufort, NC USA

 

 



--
Mike & Hannah
SVTrilogy
Re: New sails

CW Bill Rouse
 

QSails, rocks! 

35 Amel owners buying from QSails is powerful. I am proud to say that BeBe SM 387 was the first of 35.

If you go to the WiKi Help page at  AmelYachtOwnersGroup.com and click on WiKi in the left column, you will see the test banner advertising for QSails. It will be replaced later this week. QSails not only supplies us with great sails at a great price, they are supporting the cost of having our group located at groups.io. 

Thanks to QSails and Emrah Oge.

Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 10:44 AM Stephen Davis <flyboyscd@...> wrote:
We received a new Genoa, Ballooner, and mizzen ballooner from Q sails a few months ago. The sails are excellent quality and fit, and the service was great as well. 

Steve Davis
Aloha SM72
Ko Olina, Hawaii

On May 22, 2019, at 11:21, Gary Wells <gary@...> wrote:

Just got my quote from Q Sails in Izmir.  While shipping to Maryland is about $400 US, the pricing seemed quite competitive for a full set of hydranet.  Q Sails states that they have provided about 35 sets of sails to Amels so I hope we are in for an easy and perfectly matched replacement.

I know it's still about three weeks until we actually receive the sails so I'm not able to comment on the fit and quality yet, but if customer responsiveness is any indicator I am already impressed.

Gary W.
SM 209, Adagio
Galesville, MD USA

Re: The two "sticks" on the genoa top swivel

Mike Longcor (SV Trilogy)
 

Thank you, Danny! We will definitely take a close look at the swivel regarding the tongue and nylon pencil. We very much appreciate the specialty Amel knowledge here!

Cheers,
Mike & Hannah
SV Trilogy, SM#23
Panama


On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 2:31 PM Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

Hi Mike,

a while back I posted a photo of a tongue that goes through the inner of the swivel and into the slot in the foil. This locates the center and prevents the scratching you mention. This tongue often wears through. A number of SM owners have found this. There is one important feature, which if missing allows this wear to occur. This is a nylon "pencil" that sits in the foil with a mating slot in it for this tongue. I believe this "pencil" is often lost when non Amel riggers are doing work. The tongue is secured by two grub screws easily accessed. I suggest you check for the tongue and the nylon pencil. I am picking you will find both missing.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 20 May 2019 at 03:14 SV Trilogy <svtrilogy53@...> wrote:

Thanks everyone for the informative responses on this topic. We're having a new set of horns fabricated and plan to cover them with some hose material. Anything one can do to reduce halyard wraps, cuts, jams, etc. is certainly worthwhile.

On a side note, while up at the masthead I noticed the foil/extrusion was heavily scratched around it's circumference for several inches right where the top swivel would sit. Perhaps there's an issue with our top swivel and it should be taken apart and serviced? Although while at deck level it spins easily and sounds very smooth. Or maybe the threads on the one horn we had up there were too long and made contact with the foil while furling? Just wondering if anyone has ever seen anything similar on their boat. Sorry no photo at the moment but I'll try and get one.

Cheers,
Mike & Hannah
SV Trilogy, SM#23
Panama


On Mon, 13 May 2019, 08:05 Gary Wells, < gary@...> wrote:
A short piece of fuel line and some contact cement make good "caps" for those 'horns'.
Having experienced a halyard wrap up there once, I wouldn't consider running without them.
If you are doing regular maintenance on the swivel then it's far less likely the horns would touch the mast, but if the swivel jams even slightly the horns are the best defense against getting the halyard wrapped and broken at the masthead.  
Can't really explain how I discovered this.  :)

Gary W.
SM 209, "Adagio"
Beaufort, NC USA

 

 



--
Mike & Hannah
SVTrilogy
Re: New sails

Stephen Davis
 

We received a new Genoa, Ballooner, and mizzen ballooner from Q sails a few months ago. The sails are excellent quality and fit, and the service was great as well. 

Steve Davis
Aloha SM72
Ko Olina, Hawaii

On May 22, 2019, at 11:21, Gary Wells <gary@...> wrote:

Just got my quote from Q Sails in Izmir.  While shipping to Maryland is about $400 US, the pricing seemed quite competitive for a full set of hydranet.  Q Sails states that they have provided about 35 sets of sails to Amels so I hope we are in for an easy and perfectly matched replacement.

I know it's still about three weeks until we actually receive the sails so I'm not able to comment on the fit and quality yet, but if customer responsiveness is any indicator I am already impressed.

Gary W.
SM 209, Adagio
Galesville, MD USA

Re: New sails

jlm@jlmertz.fr
 

Hello,

I also want to change my sails, could you tell me what are the rates currently for the hydranet ?
Merci
JLMERTZ
on CottonBay
Le 22/05/2019 à 17:21, Gary Wells a écrit :
Just got my quote from Q Sails in Izmir.  While shipping to Maryland is about $400 US, the pricing seemed quite competitive for a full set of hydranet.  Q Sails states that they have provided about 35 sets of sails to Amels so I hope we are in for an easy and perfectly matched replacement.

I know it's still about three weeks until we actually receive the sails so I'm not able to comment on the fit and quality yet, but if customer responsiveness is any indicator I am already impressed.

Gary W.
SM 209, Adagio
Galesville, MD USA

Garanti sans virus. www.avast.com

Re: New sails

Gary Wells
 

Just got my quote from Q Sails in Izmir.  While shipping to Maryland is about $400 US, the pricing seemed quite competitive for a full set of hydranet.  Q Sails states that they have provided about 35 sets of sails to Amels so I hope we are in for an easy and perfectly matched replacement.

I know it's still about three weeks until we actually receive the sails so I'm not able to comment on the fit and quality yet, but if customer responsiveness is any indicator I am already impressed.

Gary W.
SM 209, Adagio
Galesville, MD USA
Re: Toilet flooding when sailing

Gary Wells
 

I know this isn't exactly on topic, but it has been my experience that the better technique is to still maintain the tank closed while underway, then flush it out and treat it daily.  It is just my preference, but I've found it advantageous to keep the tank closed and let it fill, at least partially, with treated black water.  I then empty it daily, or every other day, as needed. The movement of the boat keeps the slurry agitated and can prevent a 'plug' of solids from forming at the exit port due to all the liquids escaping.

I have a manual system and a macerator would certainly negate the worry of a blockage. So this just applies to my situation.

However, in troubleshooting your water ingress it would certainly be easy enough to tell if it were coming in from the water inlet side by shutting the inlet valve off for a day or two and letting the tank fill up somewhat.

Gary W.
SM 209, Adagio

Galesville, MD USA
Re: SSB antenna mount

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hello Alex,

The antenna is made by Shakespeare 

Good luck

Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera SM 007




On 22 May 2019, at 23:04, Alex Ramseyer <alexramseyer@...> wrote:

Dear Amelians,
the part at the bottom of my SSB antenna (thread on one side, screwed on the other side) broke. I can't see the manufacturer. The HF is an icon IC 802. 
Does anyone know where I find a replacement or if this is repairable (see picture). 
Regards,
Alex Ramseyer
AMEL 54#15
currently in Florida 

Re: Cables in SM Mast

Derick Gates
 

Thanks Bill. Just what I needed to know. Things are much clearer now. 

Derick
Re: SSB antenna mount

CW Bill Rouse
 

Alex,

I believe that you can epoxy the two pieces together. I like JB Weld for this project.  
https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main/photo/84619/3?p=Name,,ssb+antenna,20,1,0,0

Please look at this photo: (it is the catalog page from the manufacturer of the SSB Mast).
https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main/photo/84619/2?p=Name,,ssb+antenna,20,1,0,0 

Because of the tremendous effort by Gary Silver and Andrew Lamb, you would have found these photos by searching in the photos section on our website using the search: SSB Antenna

Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 6:04 AM Alex Ramseyer <alexramseyer@...> wrote:
Dear Amelians,
the part at the bottom of my SSB antenna (thread on one side, screwed on the other side) broke. I can't see the manufacturer. The HF is an icon IC 802. 
Does anyone know where I find a replacement or if this is repairable (see picture). 
Regards,
Alex Ramseyer
AMEL 54#15
currently in Florida 

SSB antenna mount

Alexander Ramseyer
 

Dear Amelians,
the part at the bottom of my SSB antenna (thread on one side, screwed on the other side) broke. I can't see the manufacturer. The HF is an icon IC 802. 
Does anyone know where I find a replacement or if this is repairable (see picture). 
Regards,
Alex Ramseyer
AMEL 54#15
currently in Florida 
Re: New sails

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hi Paul,

I got a main and genoa by North Sails in NZ for +- Eur 1000 more... but in 3DI Nordam.

Was same price as NS triradials.  

The new sails are tremendous.

Jean-Pierre, Eleuthera, SM 007




On 22 May 2019, at 04:32, Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:

We are in the market for new sails, and got a reasonable offer from Incidence sails in France made in Hydranet. They do not use foam luff which surprise me they claim and they should now. So to my question. Is there any of you who recently bought sails from Incidence? what is your experience with the sails? especially the head sails does it furl/reef well?
I guess they have a lot of experience in building/making sails for Amel SM
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259

Re: Toilet flooding when sailing

CW Bill Rouse
 

Possibly yours is not an Amel original installation. 

All the SM Amel installed boats I have seen have anti-siphons for each of the electric toilet pumps which were mounted on the bulkhead. Possibly this is your issue.
image.png
Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 2:57 PM Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:
Bill
There is no anti-siphon valve at all, our pumps are placed on the "floor" just in front of the Onan diesel as fare on the port side that is possible. from there the hoses go directly forward and aft to respectively toilets
Paul
SY Kerpa SM#259

Re: Toilet flooding when sailing

Paul Osterberg
 

Bill
There is no anti-siphon valve at all, our pumps are placed on the "floor" just in front of the Onan diesel as fare on the port side that is possible. from there the hoses go directly forward and aft to respectively toilets
Paul
SY Kerpa SM#259
Re: Toilet flooding when sailing

CW Bill Rouse
 

Paul,

I assume that you have original Jabsco "Not-So-Quiet" electric flush toilets.

I agree with Mark, and if you flushed correctly the water passing back into the toilet from a leaking joker valve would be clear. There is about 1.5 liters of flush water in the 2 pieces of hose (25mm and 38mm) that carry the flushed water to the top of the black water tank where it enters the tank.

One other point, if you are replacing the joker valve, be sure that you have a spare discharge port available. This plastic part is very delicate and breaks easily.
Discharge Port Jabsco #44107-1000
Joker Valve Jabsco #44106-1000

There is one other really obscure possibility:
Check to see if the anti-siphon on the toilet saltwater supply pump lines is not blocked with salt. This is located near the ceiling of the engine room above the grey water sump. Let me know what you find.

Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 12:02 PM Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:
The strange thing is that the water s clear. so I'm suspicious could it come through the salt water flushing pump does not make sens to me but... 
Paul

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