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Re: Outhaul shaft removal

seagasm
 

WOW!, thanks for the reply.

Regards
Barry


Re: Outhaul shaft removal

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 


On 05 MarHi,

Hi Barry

In Shelter Bay Marina Colon, Panama I was addressing this problem. I approached the yard asking for a man with a gas torch to heat it. Instead I got a big man with a big hammer and a puller. The result was a shattered housing. We were 36 hours from transiting the Canal. Fun.  He then used the gas torch as I had asked and it slipped off. So in my opinion beware a big man with a big hammer. I advised everyone after this to regularly remove and lanacote this shaft and avoid this issue forever. If done regularly it slips out easily.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

ch 2019 at 10:35 seagasm <seagasm@...> wrote:
OK, so how difficult to re-assemble it? do you have to use such force?

Kind Regards
Barry & Robyn
Tradewinds III SM#171


Re: Prop shaft bearing

Rainer Huthmacher
 

Thanks again for all the feedback...
Miles, I bought a normal car alternator and isolated the ground myself. It’s a small 30amp alternator which produces some charging at low revs. Then I put a 25 cm pulley to the shaft and a 5cm pulley on the alternator...
All together the cost was less than 400.- €.  

Changing from a SM to a Sharki was not so easy. I don’t miss any living room space, but I do miss the storage space of the SM. 
Basically I carry the same equipment. I installed 600w of solar power and a Silent Wind aero generator ( which I don’t recommend, the regulator is a piece of crap) because I want to make my fresh water without any engine. I even installed a washing machine....
But I miss the SM still very much.
Fair winds,
Rainer

On 4. Mar 2019, at 03:33, smiles bernard via Groups.Io <smilesbernard@...> wrote:

Hi Rainer

We were next to Rock n Roll in Santa Cruz last year. 

My kids and I came to admire her. Very nicely set up boat. I think the sharkis are great boats. We have had the pleasure of hanging out on a friends - also in Tenerife. Aneki (spelling?!)

Is the vibration constant or only at certain speeds ?

I had vibration on the prop shaft when surfing down waves on recent Atlantic crossing. Anything over 7 or 8kts roughly. 

 Then when we switched the motor on in Barbados we had what sounded initially like rough  idle. 

On inspection it was the engine mounts and alignment causing both issues 

On last section of the crossing we had 4-5m seas and winds gusting up to 45 kts and I think the motion did the old mounts no favours. 

We have just swapped out the engine mounts so hope that’s the last of it but as yet I’ve not hit speeds to test it properly

I’d guess alignment 1st

Does anyone have any experience of rewinding the prop shaft alternator?
I’m guessing ours has not been touched since new. It has been totally amazing on the long ocean passage. I can’t imagine why all boats don’t have them ! So interested in the reliability and service recommendations in prep for our return leg to UK in May. 

Many thanks and all the best


Miles
Maramu 162


On 3 Mar 2019, at 20:15, Peter Jaeger via Groups.Io <mallamok@...> wrote:

Hi Rainer
Welcom back. In 2014 I was a little bit too late for buying your SM.
Best 
Peter
Wilson SM003/La Rochelle


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Am Freitag, März 1, 2019, 07:14 schrieb Rainer Huthmacher via Groups.Io <thelastoneever@...>:

Thank you gentlemen....

On 1. Mar 2019, at 15:43, amelforme <jfpottercys@...> wrote:

On the Sharki, you must undo the motor mounts and lift the engine up about 20"/inches 50 cm in order to remove the propeller shaft as it is too long to fit as it hits the rudder skeg. It is an easy 6 hour job if nothing is badly rusted.

To remove the prop shaft/cutless bearing, remove the propeller, un-tighten the bolt holding the bearing in place on the side of the stern tube and use a pipe wrench or a chain wrench to rotate the cutless out. Easy one hour job.

 

All The Best, Joel

 

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Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Prop shaft bearing

 

Hello Captains of Amels,

I have to change the cutless bearing of my Sharki, because of vibrations under engine wich occurred after I was installing a shaft alternator...

How do I pull the propshaft?

Do I really have to lift the engine?

Any suggestions of a Sharki, Maramu or Mango owner would be greatly appreciated....

Rainer Huthmacher

Former owner of SM#69 “Yin Yang”,now owner of Sharki#83 “Rock’n Roll”,currently in Teneriffe...

It feels good to back in this great forum

 

 

 

 


Re: Outhaul shaft removal

Cathy & Guillaume
 

Thanks José, Bob & Eric, now understand how it is done, and will get the “tool” fabricated after I take the measures later this month. Have also ordered some anti-seize...

Kind regards,

Guillaume

s/v Carpathia III – SM2K #293


Re: Additional solar location?

James Alton
 

Amel Santorin,

1000 Watts of solar, that is really amazing.  I am managing with just 300 Watts on the Port rail.  Could you post a photo of your arch design?  Do your panels extend past the beam of your boat?

Thanks,

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220

On Mar 2, 2019, at 12:48 AM, ericmeury via Groups.Io <ericmeury@...> wrote:

Amel Santorin.

We are finishing up our arch and have a hydrovane.  600 Watts of Solar on the ARCH.  200 on a new hard bimini. (Also have a solar hot water panel)...if i didn't have that i could probably fit 400 Watts here.  and 200 Watts in sunpower flexible panels behind the mast.  Amp air half way up the mizzen (been there since first owner in 1993)  and might install a fourwinds at the top of the mizzen


Re: Outhaul shaft removal

Gary Silver
 

Barry & Robyn

If you experience any difficulty during re-assembly just ease the tension of the outhaul line.  That line, if under a great deal of tension, can cock the Anderson Winch "cap" slightly causing a small misalignment with the gearbox slotted shaft.  Usually the rubber grommets that isolate the gearbox from the boom bracket allow for enough movement to allow the well lubricated outhaul shaft to be inserted very easily without having to do this.

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 #335
Puerto Del Rey Marina, Puerto Rico


Re: Outhaul shaft removal

Gary Silver
 
Edited

I would like to confirm that I believe that it is important to exert pressure only on the slotted shaft and shaft and not to apply pressure to the gearbox housing or, perhaps even more importantly, the aluminum bracket of the main boom to which the gearbox attaches.  Both of those items are aluminum whereas the shaft and the slotted shaft are steel.  When using any type of pusher/puller it is important that the pressure/counter-pressure be applied only to the steel parts involved and not to the seals, bearings, housings, or other parts lest those parts be damaged or distorted.   For the same reason I recommend agains "hammering" with large hammers against the inner shaft as a method of removal.  

I have found that with annual removal and re-greasing of the outhaul shaft, all that is required is either just pushing the shaft out by hand or at the max very light tapping with a hammer against the bolt that I thread into the threaded lower aspect of the shaft.  In my opinion, re-greasing every 6 months is probably over doing it a bit (no harm but  annual is adequate in my experience). 

All the best to all who own Amel boats. f

Gary S. SIlver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 #335
Puerto Rico


Re: US State taxes

Gregory Shea
 

John, 
Just to add to Craig's comments, the Florida sales tax people are amazingly approachable and helpful. When I had businesses in Florida, I dealt with them many times, both on the phone and in person. I could not believe that a government bureaucracy were so keen to help resolve your Sales Tax issues. But that wa a few years ago ....? I suggest you take Craig's advice.

Greg Shea
Sharki 133


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Craig Briggs via Groups.Io <sangaris@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2019 8:28 AM
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Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] US State taxes
 
Hi John,
I just did a quick scan on SC's boat tax website and see what you point out, that they don't title/register USCG documented boa. I then looked at FL and it seems they may have changed their tax laws about 2011 and would, indeed, collect tax on your boat. So our situation of no sales tax, having bought the boat in FL in 1999, may no longer be the case, as Mark suggested.

My suggestion would be to call the FL Sales Tax department in Tallahassee, try to get to the manager of the boat/yacht division and discuss it with him, which is what I did.

Craig, SN68 


Re: US State taxes

Craig Briggs
 

Hi John,
I just did a quick scan on SC's boat tax website and see what you point out, that they don't title/register USCG documented boa. I then looked at FL and it seems they may have changed their tax laws about 2011 and would, indeed, collect tax on your boat. So our situation of no sales tax, having bought the boat in FL in 1999, may no longer be the case, as Mark suggested.

My suggestion would be to call the FL Sales Tax department in Tallahassee, try to get to the manager of the boat/yacht division and discuss it with him, which is what I did.

Craig, SN68 


Re: Outhaul shaft removal

Jose Venegas <josegvenegas@...>
 

I agree with Eric
This is pretty much like my tool but the hole in the top is square and large while in mine is circular and of the same size as the shaft. Actually, l should have made it slightly larger than the shaft and for that reason, I had to add a washer as a spacer between the two parts of the top unit.


Re: US State taxes

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Mark,
The Fl tax department did not consider it a grey area and actually gave us a letter confirming we had no liability for Fl sales tax. And when we returned to the US (in Fl), again, there was no question that we had any sales tax liability whatsoever. They do not consider this "avoiding tax", which carries a, shall-we-say, shady connotation. In fact, it's just the opposite; they consider it being in full compliance with the FL tax laws. The end result was that we paid 0% sales tax on our Amel AND were in 100% compliance with all state tax laws - nothin' shady or grey or risky or dodgy or whatever.
Craig


Re: Outhaul shaft removal

rossirossix4
 

Hi Eric-
Well, there's the RIGHT WAY, the WRONG WAY, and the AMEL WAY!  

Regarding the Amel way, according to Albon, plan B was to remove the boom, bring it into the shop and use their press.  If the press placed pressure directly on the slotted disc while pressing the shaft, pressure on the case could be avoided.  It is possible that our habit of frequently spraying just a bit of CorrosionX (regular as well as CorrosionXHD) on the shaft and rinsing the gearbox area with fresh water every time we washed off the boat may have helped--again, removal with the tool was effortless.  Albon suggested Tef-Gel where the metal of the gear box meets the shaft upon reassembly. 
Bob and Suzanne, KAIMI


Re: Turbo heat shield for Perkins M80T

JEFFREY KRAUS
 

Those heat shields on the Volvo cost a fortune. The shield for the d3 110 is $500  we run a dry exhaust on big diesels we have heat wrap insulation, with a fibercloth to secure it. I did my d3 110 with leftover scraps from my muffler replacement. You could get what you need to wrap the turbo for $25, and have better insulation then their overpriced wrap, and it will look good to if you cut the pieces and fit them well



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From: John Clark <john.biohead@...>
Date: 3/4/19 5:56 PM (GMT-04:00)
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Turbo heat shield for Perkins M80T

I have not replaced mine but yes it is cloth-like material covering
insulation.  It is held on with wire and clips. I would replace if oil
soaked. I cannot imagine it costs much.  You could make one by using fire
retardant high temp fabric surrounding fiberglass insulation.

John
SV Annie SM37
Brunswick. GA

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> Has anyone replaced the turbo heat shield on a Perkins M80T?  I think it's
> supposed to be white and cloth like.  Mine is oil soaked and embedded with
> rust.
>
> Thanks, Dan
> Feierabend #86
>
>

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Re: Outhaul shaft removal

eric freedman
 

That looks like it puts a lot of pressure in the gearbox casting.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of rossirossix4
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2019 5:44 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Outhaul shaft removal

 

For some reason the most informative pics did not post.....(again, this is what Albon and Francois cooked up at the Amel Caraibes Center in Martinique) here they are:
Bob and Suzanne, KAIMI SM 429


Re: crossing BVI to Florida.

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

Wolfgang,

We can not give you useful information about Cuba, or the Dominican Republic, but we have spent a lot of time in the Bahamas over the last three years and greatly enjoyed it. People will talk about how you need a shallow draft to explore the Bahamas, but a two meter draft is not too deep to enjoy the country. 

You can can find our route, and comments about where we have been on our blog at http://fetchinketch.net

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Mayaguana, Bahamas


Re: Outhaul shaft removal

rossirossix4
 

For some reason the most informative pics did not post.....(again, this is what Albon and Francois cooked up at the Amel Caraibes Center in Martinique) here they are:
Bob and Suzanne, KAIMI SM 429


Re: Outhaul shaft removal

eric freedman
 

It Should just slide in.
Fair Winds
Eric
SM 376 KImberlite


On Mon, Mar 04, 2019 at 04:35 PM, seagasm wrote:

OK, so how difficult to re-assemble it? do you have to use such force?

Kind Regards
Barry & Robyn
Tradewinds III SM#171


Re: US State taxes

John Clark
 

Craig,
   I wonder how that would work for a vessel purchased overseas, USCG documented but never registered in a State.  South Carolina does not register USCG documented vessels.  Annie SM 37 is documented with Charleston SC as home port, my home and state of residence.  She has however only passed thru SC during my ownership.  At this writing she is berthed in Georgia where I am working but does not have to stay. 

I would be curious how FL would treat her for sales tax. 



On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, 9:23 AM Craig Briggs via Groups.Io <sangaris=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Mark,
We brought our US flagged boat back to the US, registered it in Florida and paid no sales/use tax, even though it had been registered in NH, which has 0% tax.

When we bought it in FL in 2000 I spoke several times with the director of the Florida sales tax division that handles boats so as to "get it right". He informed me that if we left Florida in 10 days, (or checked into a state registered repair facility and left FL afterwards) and registered it in another state and sent him (the tax department) proof of the boat being out of Florida and of the other state's registration there would be no tax due.

He further explained that if we subsequently brought the boat back into FL after, if I recall correctly, 6 months, we could (should) register it in FL but the fact of having "met the sales tax requirement of another state" (even thought that was 0%) would mean no FL sales tax would be due.

So after 15 years we came back to FL and were not required to pay sales tax, just the normal annual registration fee ($200 or so).
The sales tax director said it was just like the thousands of people who move to Florida and bring their cars - if they come from a no- or low-tax state they do not have to pay the difference in the sales/use tax rate.

Craig Briggs SN68


Re: Turbo heat shield for Perkins M80T

John Clark
 

I have not replaced mine but yes it is cloth-like material covering insulation.  It is held on with wire and clips. I would replace if oil soaked. I cannot imagine it costs much.  You could make one by using fire retardant high temp fabric surrounding fiberglass insulation.

John
SV Annie SM37
Brunswick. GA

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, 1:15 PM Dan Wilcox via Groups.Io <dwilcox123=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Has anyone replaced the turbo heat shield on a Perkins M80T?  I think it's supposed to be white and cloth like.  Mine is oil soaked and embedded with rust.

Thanks, Dan
Feierabend #86


Re: Outhaul shaft removal

 

I don't know anyone who had and difficulty with reassembly. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, 3:35 PM seagasm <seagasm@...> wrote:
OK, so how difficult to re-assemble it? do you have to use such force?

Kind Regards
Barry & Robyn
Tradewinds III SM#171