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Re: Deck hatch dogs reinforcements

Pierre Blouin
 

Guys, I just finished getting this part made at a local machine shop.  I brought him the sample you see in this picture Bill attached (that was a picture I took). So the machine shop took my sample, reversed engineered a drawing and made a few more for me, it's made of aluminum. Coincidentally, I was just about to come offer to this group a bulk order,  if anyone is interested, just send me an email offline at blouin_dion@....  Depending on the volume, price will be ~ $20 USD each + shipping,

I don't have a picture of the new one unfortunately, brought the new parts on Viva yesterday, about to install them.  I'll come back with a picture in the next few days.

P.S. This is my first post, we bought our SM 6 months ago. We're thrilled. What a great group this is, joined this group over 8 months ago, and have been following every thread since.

Pierre
SV Viva SM #374
Portland, OR


Re: Holding tank mystery

Mark Erdos
 

Tom,

 

A couple of after thoughts:

 

Is the chopper plate and the centrifugal impeller securely fastened to the motor shaft and not worn? And, is the macerator housing oriented correctly? There is also a seal housing in that same area. If the lip seal or o-ring is worn, the pump will suck air into the system rather than move black water.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark Erdos via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:46 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Holding tank mystery

 

Tom,

 

Welcome to FP.

 

Can you clarify, please. Is it the water coming in, or the water going out? I assume by removing motors etc. you are having trouble with the water leaving. If so, have you cleaned the through hull from outside of the boat. Perhaps you picked up some critters along the way.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Thomas Kleman
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 11:06 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Holding tank mystery

 

I noticed after our 17 day rather rough ride between Oahu and FP that my aft head flushes very slowly. OK, no big problem (not my first rodeo), so change the hoses (clogged), use my drill driven auger on the fitting and.......only about 50 pct better and not nearly the speed of the bow head. Next I break out the medieval tools, pipes I've sharpened and cut to length and I can now make contact with the top of the holding tank from the bottom of the fitting (with a big pipe)...ie. there is no blockage. Better, but still not overly fast. New macerator motor, new hoses, no blockage in fitting......not sure what to do next. If I damaged the copper pipe fitting on its way up to the top of the tank, it wouldn't effect flush speed (I think ?)

Thomas Kleman

SV L'ORIENT
Maraa, Tahiti

 


Re: Holding tank mystery

Thomas Kleman
 

Sorry for the incomplete info. The toilet doesn't empty rapidly into the holding tank. The discharge port, joker valve, macerator motor, hoses are all new. The copper pipe going up into the tank is perfectly clear, as is the junction fitting between the smaller and larger hose. I'm totally at a loss on this one.

Thomas Kleman
SV L'ORIENT
Maraa, Tahiti


Re: Holding tank mystery

Mark Erdos
 

Tom,

 

Welcome to FP.

 

Can you clarify, please. Is it the water coming in, or the water going out? I assume by removing motors etc. you are having trouble with the water leaving. If so, have you cleaned the through hull from outside of the boat. Perhaps you picked up some critters along the way.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Thomas Kleman
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 11:06 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Holding tank mystery

 

I noticed after our 17 day rather rough ride between Oahu and FP that my aft head flushes very slowly. OK, no big problem (not my first rodeo), so change the hoses (clogged), use my drill driven auger on the fitting and.......only about 50 pct better and not nearly the speed of the bow head. Next I break out the medieval tools, pipes I've sharpened and cut to length and I can now make contact with the top of the holding tank from the bottom of the fitting (with a big pipe)...ie. there is no blockage. Better, but still not overly fast. New macerator motor, new hoses, no blockage in fitting......not sure what to do next. If I damaged the copper pipe fitting on its way up to the top of the tank, it wouldn't effect flush speed (I think ?)

Thomas Kleman

SV L'ORIENT
Maraa, Tahiti

 


Re: Holding tank mystery

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

30

Danny

On 19 April 2021 at 10:47 Germain Jean-Pierre <jp.germain45@...> wrote:

29 seconds is the key to a trouble free future

Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera, SM 007

 

On 19/04/2021, at 10:33 AM, Courtney Gorman via groups.io <Itsfun1@...> wrote:

Power drill with a 9’ length of 10mm rigging wire took two weeks of rotor rooting but now every flush is a delight 🤣.  Now I flush 29 seconds every time 
Cheers 
Courtney 
Trippin 
54#101

 

On Apr 18, 2021, at 5:15 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

did you replace this:
<image.png>

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
 
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
 
View My Training Calendar


On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 4:06 PM Thomas Kleman < lorient422@...> wrote:
I noticed after our 17 day rather rough ride between Oahu and FP that my aft head flushes very slowly. OK, no big problem (not my first rodeo), so change the hoses (clogged), use my drill driven auger on the fitting and.......only about 50 pct better and not nearly the speed of the bow head. Next I break out the medieval tools, pipes I've sharpened and cut to length and I can now make contact with the top of the holding tank from the bottom of the fitting (with a big pipe)...ie. there is no blockage. Better, but still not overly fast. New macerator motor, new hoses, no blockage in fitting......not sure what to do next. If I damaged the copper pipe fitting on its way up to the top of the tank, it wouldn't effect flush speed (I think ?)

Thomas Kleman
SV L'ORIENT
Maraa, Tahiti
 

 

 


 


 


Re: Holding tank mystery

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

29 seconds is the key to a trouble free future

Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera, SM 007


On 19/04/2021, at 10:33 AM, Courtney Gorman via groups.io <Itsfun1@...> wrote:



Power drill with a 9’ length of 10mm rigging wire took two weeks of rotor rooting but now every flush is a delight 🤣.  Now I flush 29 seconds every time 
Cheers 
Courtney 
Trippin 
54#101


On Apr 18, 2021, at 5:15 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


did you replace this:
<image.png>

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 4:06 PM Thomas Kleman <lorient422@...> wrote:
I noticed after our 17 day rather rough ride between Oahu and FP that my aft head flushes very slowly. OK, no big problem (not my first rodeo), so change the hoses (clogged), use my drill driven auger on the fitting and.......only about 50 pct better and not nearly the speed of the bow head. Next I break out the medieval tools, pipes I've sharpened and cut to length and I can now make contact with the top of the holding tank from the bottom of the fitting (with a big pipe)...ie. there is no blockage. Better, but still not overly fast. New macerator motor, new hoses, no blockage in fitting......not sure what to do next. If I damaged the copper pipe fitting on its way up to the top of the tank, it wouldn't effect flush speed (I think ?)

Thomas Kleman
SV L'ORIENT
Maraa, Tahiti
 


Re: Holding tank mystery

Courtney Gorman
 


Power drill with a 9’ length of 10mm rigging wire took two weeks of rotor rooting but now every flush is a delight 🤣.  Now I flush 29 seconds every time 
Cheers 
Courtney 
Trippin 
54#101


On Apr 18, 2021, at 5:15 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


did you replace this:
<image.png>

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 4:06 PM Thomas Kleman <lorient422@...> wrote:
I noticed after our 17 day rather rough ride between Oahu and FP that my aft head flushes very slowly. OK, no big problem (not my first rodeo), so change the hoses (clogged), use my drill driven auger on the fitting and.......only about 50 pct better and not nearly the speed of the bow head. Next I break out the medieval tools, pipes I've sharpened and cut to length and I can now make contact with the top of the holding tank from the bottom of the fitting (with a big pipe)...ie. there is no blockage. Better, but still not overly fast. New macerator motor, new hoses, no blockage in fitting......not sure what to do next. If I damaged the copper pipe fitting on its way up to the top of the tank, it wouldn't effect flush speed (I think ?)

Thomas Kleman
SV L'ORIENT
Maraa, Tahiti
 


Re: Holding tank mystery

 

did you replace this:
image.png
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 4:06 PM Thomas Kleman <lorient422@...> wrote:
I noticed after our 17 day rather rough ride between Oahu and FP that my aft head flushes very slowly. OK, no big problem (not my first rodeo), so change the hoses (clogged), use my drill driven auger on the fitting and.......only about 50 pct better and not nearly the speed of the bow head. Next I break out the medieval tools, pipes I've sharpened and cut to length and I can now make contact with the top of the holding tank from the bottom of the fitting (with a big pipe)...ie. there is no blockage. Better, but still not overly fast. New macerator motor, new hoses, no blockage in fitting......not sure what to do next. If I damaged the copper pipe fitting on its way up to the top of the tank, it wouldn't effect flush speed (I think ?)

Thomas Kleman
SV L'ORIENT
Maraa, Tahiti
 


Holding tank mystery

Thomas Kleman
 

I noticed after our 17 day rather rough ride between Oahu and FP that my aft head flushes very slowly. OK, no big problem (not my first rodeo), so change the hoses (clogged), use my drill driven auger on the fitting and.......only about 50 pct better and not nearly the speed of the bow head. Next I break out the medieval tools, pipes I've sharpened and cut to length and I can now make contact with the top of the holding tank from the bottom of the fitting (with a big pipe)...ie. there is no blockage. Better, but still not overly fast. New macerator motor, new hoses, no blockage in fitting......not sure what to do next. If I damaged the copper pipe fitting on its way up to the top of the tank, it wouldn't effect flush speed (I think ?)

Thomas Kleman
SV L'ORIENT
Maraa, Tahiti
 


Re: New LiFePO4 Batteries for Aquarius

Ken Powers SV Aquarius
 

John,

I replaced the start battery about 2 months after I bought the boat, so about March 2017.  It was a GEL start battery, and will probably replace it this year.  But, it is still working now.   I am thinking 5 years is about the limit for a start battery.

Ken
Aquarius 
SM2K#262


Re: 5 piece stuffing box

Giovanni TESTA
 

Perfect, Eric thanks!


Il dom 18 apr 2021, 18:09 eric freedman <kimberlite@...> ha scritto:

Hi Giovanni,

Sorry, I am not on Kimberlite now.

Please send me a note about May 16 and I will get you the dimensions.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Giovanni TESTA
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 5:19 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] 5 piece stuffing box

 

Hi Eric,
which is, please, the diameter, length and thickness of this PVC pipe.
Many thanks, Buon Vento
Giovanni Testa
SV EUTIKIA SM 428

 

Il 18/04/2021 01:10, eric freedman ha scritto:

I forgot to mention that I purchased a short piece of PVC pipe.

I use the same piece of pipe to tighten the packing when I change it, and also install the lip seals in the C drive.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of eric freedman
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 7:08 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] 5 piece stuffing box

 

I didn’t want to confuse the group, but I have had a 5-ring stuffing box for years.

The only modification that I made besides making the stuffing box taller is I made it wider. On my stuffing box there is an L shaped stainless-steel plate to hold the nut in place. While under way it is difficult to remove the two screws that hold the plate in place. By making the stuffing box in a wider diameter, and a longer L shaped plate I can easily remove the plate and tighten the nut a bit.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Thomas Kleman
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 4:27 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Rudder Stuffing Box Packing Material

 

I think when you have a problem with the stuffing box, it is less likely to be the nut than the box itself. The spares you need are the packing material and this: take a stuffing box nut, wrap the threads in teflon tape, immerse it up to the top of the threads in a resin/hardener mix in a circular mold with the nut hole sealed, and voila- you have a 20 mm stuffing box penthouse to attach to the top of your stripped old stuffing box. Holds 5 rings of material and can be installed in the water (just don't take that last ring out). Three screws and 5200 work well to attach; just let it set before pounding down the material.

 


Re: FW: Comparing Amel Super Maramu to the Amel 54 & 55

Ann-Sofie, S/Y Lady Annila
 

That type of bed is not on the Super Maramu, but on the 54.

Regrds
Ann-Sofie 
S/Y Lady Annila, SM 232, 1998


Skickat från min iPhone

18/04/2021 kl. 17:56 skrev Paul Harries via groups.io <Pharries@...>:

Thank you.
My understanding is that the 55s do not have the additional twin Pullman bunk berths which for me is a negative.
I have been more drawn to 54s but am overwhelmed by changes during production run having heard that initial furlers were so bad they needed to be replaced and Volvo engine woes.
It is a pitty there is not a spreadsheet that details when Amel made the various changes and associated issues.

This forum has really opened my eyes to so many issues.
Paul


On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 10:57, amelforme
<jfpottercys@...> wrote:

Hello Ms. Sloman and Mr. Harries. I wrote this not too long ago and although there are no graphs and polar charts, I think I can promise you that the information is accurate and fully representative of the sailing characteristics and some other information regarding these three Amel boats. The only incorrect information is regarding the development of the Amel 54. Jean Jacques was already the elected chairman of the shipyard, not being groomed for the position as I wrote. I regret the error.

The changes from model to model were mainly upgrades and evolutionary changes. The quality of overall construction improved slightly as the newer models were introduced, mainly reflective of newer materials and improved construction techniques.

I could probably address more specific questions, preferably by conversation.  I’m dyslexic and typing is almost painful…

I hope this is helpful.

All the best,

Joel

 

           JOEL F. POTTER ~ CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST, L.L.C.

                                         The Experienced AMEL Guy

UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE

                                  Office 954-462-5869  Cell 954-812-2485


Re: FW: Comparing Amel Super Maramu to the Amel 54 & 55

Paul Harries
 

Thank you.
My understanding is that the 55s do not have the additional twin Pullman bunk berths which for me is a negative.
I have been more drawn to 54s but am overwhelmed by changes during production run having heard that initial furlers were so bad they needed to be replaced and Volvo engine woes.
It is a pitty there is not a spreadsheet that details when Amel made the various changes and associated issues.

This forum has really opened my eyes to so many issues.
Paul


On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 10:57, amelforme
<jfpottercys@...> wrote:

Hello Ms. Sloman and Mr. Harries. I wrote this not too long ago and although there are no graphs and polar charts, I think I can promise you that the information is accurate and fully representative of the sailing characteristics and some other information regarding these three Amel boats. The only incorrect information is regarding the development of the Amel 54. Jean Jacques was already the elected chairman of the shipyard, not being groomed for the position as I wrote. I regret the error.

The changes from model to model were mainly upgrades and evolutionary changes. The quality of overall construction improved slightly as the newer models were introduced, mainly reflective of newer materials and improved construction techniques.

I could probably address more specific questions, preferably by conversation.  I’m dyslexic and typing is almost painful…

I hope this is helpful.

All the best,

Joel

 

           JOEL F. POTTER ~ CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST, L.L.C.

                                         The Experienced AMEL Guy

UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE

                                  Office 954-462-5869  Cell 954-812-2485


Re: 5 piece stuffing box

eric freedman
 

Hi Giovanni,

Sorry, I am not on Kimberlite now.

Please send me a note about May 16 and I will get you the dimensions.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Giovanni TESTA
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 5:19 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] 5 piece stuffing box

 

Hi Eric,
which is, please, the diameter, length and thickness of this PVC pipe.
Many thanks, Buon Vento
Giovanni Testa
SV EUTIKIA SM 428

 

Il 18/04/2021 01:10, eric freedman ha scritto:

I forgot to mention that I purchased a short piece of PVC pipe.

I use the same piece of pipe to tighten the packing when I change it, and also install the lip seals in the C drive.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of eric freedman
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 7:08 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] 5 piece stuffing box

 

I didn’t want to confuse the group, but I have had a 5-ring stuffing box for years.

The only modification that I made besides making the stuffing box taller is I made it wider. On my stuffing box there is an L shaped stainless-steel plate to hold the nut in place. While under way it is difficult to remove the two screws that hold the plate in place. By making the stuffing box in a wider diameter, and a longer L shaped plate I can easily remove the plate and tighten the nut a bit.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Thomas Kleman
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 4:27 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Rudder Stuffing Box Packing Material

 

I think when you have a problem with the stuffing box, it is less likely to be the nut than the box itself. The spares you need are the packing material and this: take a stuffing box nut, wrap the threads in teflon tape, immerse it up to the top of the threads in a resin/hardener mix in a circular mold with the nut hole sealed, and voila- you have a 20 mm stuffing box penthouse to attach to the top of your stripped old stuffing box. Holds 5 rings of material and can be installed in the water (just don't take that last ring out). Three screws and 5200 work well to attach; just let it set before pounding down the material.

 


FW: Comparing Amel Super Maramu to the Amel 54 & 55

amelforme
 

Hello Ms. Sloman and Mr. Harries. I wrote this not too long ago and although there are no graphs and polar charts, I think I can promise you that the information is accurate and fully representative of the sailing characteristics and some other information regarding these three Amel boats. The only incorrect information is regarding the development of the Amel 54. Jean Jacques was already the elected chairman of the shipyard, not being groomed for the position as I wrote. I regret the error.

The changes from model to model were mainly upgrades and evolutionary changes. The quality of overall construction improved slightly as the newer models were introduced, mainly reflective of newer materials and improved construction techniques.

I could probably address more specific questions, preferably by conversation.  I’m dyslexic and typing is almost painful…

I hope this is helpful.

All the best,

Joel

 

           JOEL F. POTTER ~ CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST, L.L.C.

                                         The Experienced AMEL Guy

UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE

                                  Office 954-462-5869  Cell 954-812-2485


Re: A55 - questions about design for resilience and differences from A54 & SMs

Fabrizio Fantò
 

I would be interested as well and it would be even better if anybody could had some "hard data" to the discussion like stability curve and polar chart of her/his "preferred" model.
Fabrizio 


Re: A55 - questions about design for resilience and differences from A54 & SMs

Paul Harries
 

I too would be very interested in this information
Paul


On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 4:56, Julia Sloman
<jmsloman@...> wrote:

Greetings all

 

My husband and I are looking for a boat to complete a circumnavigation and are familiar with SMs having crewed on one extensively. While recognising that the primary function of this forum is for existing owners to share suggestions about your vessels, we would be very grateful if any of you are happy to share your thoughts with us about factors to consider with an A55 compared to a 54 or SM - sailing / comfort performance, layout, reliability, energy consumption, storage etc. The A55s that are within our budget are closer to the early end of the release so we would also be interested to learn about any major changes from the initial hulls. 

 

One of the themes that is often quoted about Amels is that they have a much better level of resilience through manual overrides and availability of manual systems / less dependence on high tech solutions than other blue water cruising boats; can anyone give us some specific examples of these on an Amel 55? We are trying to understand whether it is that these systems come as standard on an Amel whereas they may only be options in other Bluewater cruisers (eg dual autopilots), or whether there are some elements of the Amel 55’s design for resilience that are very hard to replicate / instal later in another brand.

 

We can see that the majority of discussion on this forum is from SM and A54 owners - are many of the discussions also relevant to A55 owners, or has everything changed so much that lots of the discussions won’t apply in the case of an A55? 

 

If there is a pre-existing thread on this topic (we couldn’t find one), please let us know! We have seen Chris Beeson’s A55 review on YouTube which was helpful. We are very happy to receive private replies instead of ones directed to you all if this forum is not the place for general discussion on this topic, or alternatively, we will trust the moderator to remove our post :-).

 

Many thanks for your thoughts!

 

Julia Sloman

Hopefully soon-to-be Amel owner


Re: Deck hatch dogs reinforcements

 

David,

I remember that also, but I don't remember a photo. I just searched and did not find one
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 8:10 AM David Kurtz via groups.io <Davidwkurtz=me.com@groups.io> wrote:


Thanks for pointing that out, Eric.  Here's the photo in a different format.  See if that works.
Bill Rouse, those photos were a part of that thread discussion I was looking for.  There was a stainless steel replacement part that someone either bought or had fabricated.  I'm trying to run that down before I go out and have my own idea fabricated.
--
Dave Kurtz
SM2 #380
S/V Celtic Cross

Detroit, Michigan


Re: Deck hatch dogs reinforcements

David Kurtz
 



Thanks for pointing that out, Eric.  Here's the photo in a different format.  See if that works.
Bill Rouse, those photos were a part of that thread discussion I was looking for.  There was a stainless steel replacement part that someone either bought or had fabricated.  I'm trying to run that down before I go out and have my own idea fabricated.
--
Dave Kurtz
SM2 #380
S/V Celtic Cross

Detroit, Michigan


Re: Bow prop

 


The alarm or buzzer for the bow thruster limit positions shown in the green circle
image.png
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 5:18 AM jlm@... <jlm@...> wrote:

Just behind the up and down push button in the cockpit.... attach to the wire ...

JLMERTZ

Cottonbay



Le 15/04/2021 à 09:32, Eloi Bamberg a écrit :
Hello,
Does anybody know where is located the beep of the bow prop on a SM2K? Mine seem to have stoped working...the lights are Ok but no beep.
regards,
Eloi
SM2K Red Lion

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