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Re: Rigid Propeller Santorin

Bernd Spanner
 

Hi Gerhard! I have the same sticker. Engine is a VP MD22L.


Re: TMD22 Emergency Shutoff

Craig Briggs
 

I found the plastic Amel logo coffee cups work perfectly for blocking off the air intake.
I am certain Captain Henri designed them that way. 
Cheers, Craig SN68 Sangaris


Re: gross and net tonnage

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Dennis,

Oh my, I'm not quite sure how to reply, but you seem still to be totally misunderstanding this measurement.

Displacement is indeed, as you note, the weight of the boat. It is indeed equal to the weight of the water displaced and like that.  But the Gross and Net tons on your documentation have absolutely and positively nothing whatsoever to do with what your boar weighs or the weight of the water it displaces or anything of the like.  The USCG Simplified Measurement scheme is NOT trying to estimate what your boat weighs (or the weight of the water it displaces). Displacement and registered "tonnage" (Gross and Net) are apples and oranges.

Yes, the system did evolve from measurements to collect taxes from cargo carrying vessels based on cargo-carrying capacity but it is not "off" for sailboats - it is totally consistent for all documented vessels. It is what the USCG specifies it to be.  It is defined very clearly by them. It is not "off" - it is oranges, even if you want it to be apples. 

That some sailboat owners have issues with the "difference" points out those sailboat owners lack of understanding of the apples and oranges difference. Those owners want it to be weight (apples) but it is actually volume (oranges). And, of course, sailboat owners, being parsimonious CARBS (Cheap Ass Rag Baggers, like me), always want to pay less in port fees with a lower Tonnage. (Which is not to say that if yours is overstated you shouldn't correct it - but it still has nothing to do with what the travel lift scale says.)

So, the point I'm afraid you're missing is what the Coast Guard so clearly points out. Namely, that Gross and Net Tons are a measure of cargo carrying volume and should not be confused with displacement or weight.  You seem still to be confusing those when you say the formula is "so far off", because the formula is absolutely not trying to come up with the weight of the boat or an estimate thereof.  It is estimating the cargo carry volume of your vessel in some historic 100 cu foot units that the government has adopted as standard for all documented vessels.

Not sure I can put a finer point on this and fear I may already have put too fine a point on it. Gross and Net Tons on your USCG documentation have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with what your boat weighs. You may want to reread the USCG document to get your head around this.

Respectfully,
Craig SN68 Sangaris USCG Registered Gross Tons 31, Net Tons 28, Displacement Tons (weight) about 11 Tons. 


Re: Greek Cruising Tax

James Alton
 

Brent,

  Thanks for sharing your own experiences with this issue and all of your points make sense.  From what I am learning about this issue it is the Airlines here in Canada not wanting to be liable.  I am thinking of calling Air France on Monday and just laying the whole issue out to them to see what solution they suggest.  

Best,

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220 

On Jun 15, 2019, at 9:57 AM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

The easiest way to avoid the airport hassle or immigration constraints is to purchase a fully refundable one-way return airline ticket within the visa dates. Once you are in your location, refund the ticket. 

If you time the purchase correctly, you will not even have to pay for the ticket on your credit card since it can be refunded within the same billing cycle.
 
 
With best regards,
 
Mark
 
Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama
 
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brent Cameron
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2019 5:38 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Greek Cruising Tax
 
  • Hi James. My wife Jen and I are in a similar situation right now.  We flew out of Pearson but we were on Azores Airlines. We’re flying back out of Vienna on TAP so no cross linkages at all. Nobody in the EU seems to care how long we were there for as we were never asked how long we were staying and we crossed into and out of the EU and Schengen zone many, many times (Azores - flight, UK - flight, Austria - flight, Romania - flight, Austria - flight, Hungary - car, Slovenia - car, Italy - car, Croatia - car, Bosnia - car, Croatia - car, Montenegro - car, Croatia - car, Bosnia - car, Croatia - car, Bosnia - car, Croatia - car so far :-).   The passports get stamped with an entry and exit date every time but no “visa” or restrictions. I’m guessing they’d give you grief only if you over stayed your welcome. The Europeans are far more organized than the US, Canada or UK in that they also do exit checks and demand that hotels and B&B’s report your presence on a nightly basis.   There are signs as you enter Croatia and Montenegro that say as much but frankly they aren’t very uptight about any of it. Gazillions of tourists here and it’s going to get far worse in July/August so I suspect they have far better things to do than hassle you. Air Canada shouldn’t care on the outbound leg and if Austria didn’t care about any of our one way Ryan Air tickets in and out (being Uber efficient Germanic types) I can’t imagine you’ll have any issues anywhere else. I saw the same thing flying into Lisbon and Barcelona on TAP last fall.. I had an outbound ticket on Ryan Air to Stansted but they never even asked about it.  Good luck!
 
Brent
On Jun 15, 2019, 11:09 AM +0200, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...>, wrote:

Mohammad and Aty, 
 
   Thanks for taking the time to provide the email address for Chris.  I have added this to my Greece file and will be contacting Chris soon.
 
   I do have another question to anyone that can help.  We have round trip tickets  via Air France out of Canada to Italy. The arrival and departure dates are more than 4 months apart while the Schengen limit is 90 days.   We plan to spend sufficient time outside of the Schengen in Croatia, Montenegro  (or possibly Turkey) to avoid exceeding the 90 day limit.  I was told by another traveller who wanted to fly to into France with Air Canada that with an departure/return flight covering more than 90 days that he was forced to change his return ticket to a date that did not exceed the 90 day limit.  Has anyone else come up against this problem and if so what would be the best solution?  My tickets are non-refundable.
 
Best,
 
James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
 
On Jun 15, 2019, at 3:45 AM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
 
Hi James;
 
Sorry for the late response. I was waiting to receive the e-mail address from Chris’s office. The e-mail address is corfu@...
 
Let me know if you need any further information
 
Respectfully;
 
 
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099
 
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Alton via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 3:07 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Greek Cruising Tax
 
Mohammad and Aty,
 
   Thanks for the contact information for Chris and also for the advice on the advance booking.  Half British and half Greek, that will be interesting.   I see that Gouvia is huge, 1235 slips and that advance booking can be done online.  If you should have a way to contact Chris via email that would be great to have.  If not then I will try  do so using the Gouvia marina email address provided on the website. Many thanks for the help, this will make our entry into Greece much more relaxed.  We will let Chris know that you referred him to us.
 
Best,
 
James and Joann
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
 
On Jun 2, 2019, at 4:42 PM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
 
James; the agents name is Chris with A1. He is half British and half Greek. Very nice and trustworthy guy. We’ve known him for 2 years now. His number +30 693 7165050. Let him know I referred you to him. He knows almost every one related to boating in Corfu. A great resource. 
 
There’s only one marina in Corfu, Gouvia. Can get very busy in the high season. I would highly recommend booking ahead. He can also make arrangement for you to anchor out and take your papers in by dinghy/
 
Respectfully; 
 
 
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo 
AMEL 54 #099


On Jun 2, 2019, at 10:28 PM, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...> wrote:

Mohammad and Aty, 
 
  This all sounds good to me.  I especially like the point about gaining a good source of information.  Could you send me the name of the agent you used in Corfu?  Also, which marina he operates out of.  
 
  James
 
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
 
On Jun 2, 2019, at 2:57 PM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
 
Hi james, 
 
The cost of the agent varies, typically anywhere between 50 and 100 euros depending on the island. This can easily be done by yourself, but we’ve found that the process goes a lot smoother and the requirements a lot more lax when done by agents who typically either know the customs agents well or they are friends. 
 
The agent takes your paper work, goes and takes care of all required formalities and returns with the Greek cruising permit. There will be some other government fees that will be separate from the agent fees.
 
We do know a very nice agent in Corfu which will be the first island you will encounter sailing south from the Adriatic. We actually had him on board today for drinks while doing a sea trial with the Volvo dealer in Corfu, who again are friends.
 

In my experience you get a lot more than what you pay in agent costs. You find a Great source of information and a lot better service from others that happen to be the agents friend.

Respectfully; 
 
 
Mohammad And Aty
B&B Kokomo
54 #099


On Jun 2, 2019, at 1:26 PM, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...> wrote:

Mohammad and Aty 
 
  Thanks for the advice and for the offer to help find an agent.    I am not sure of what the cost for this service my be but this option certainly sounds appealing for at least our first entry into Greece to insure that all of the i’s are dotted and the t’s crossed.   Mostly likely we will arrive in Greece from the North so a suggestion for a Port of entry and of an agent there would be very helpful.  We will be sailing around the boot of Italy from Sardinia and we want to visit Croatia and Greece for sure.  The gulf of Kotor in Montenegro looks appealing as well.  My wife would really like to see Venice so if the conditions are good we will head up to the North end first and work our way down the West coast to Greece.  If the conditions are not favourable for the trip North up the Adriatic the general plan is to cross to the West coast to Croatia somewhere, any suggestions on a port of entry?  We will have a bit over 4 months  this season so we will need to plan to be outside the Schengen area for a bit over a month so I think Croatia and Montenegro are our two options in that regard.  Any general routing suggestions from those familiar with this area would be appreciated.
 
Best,
 
James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Sardinia
 
On Jun 1, 2019, at 3:09 AM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
 
Hi james; 
 
There are several agents in most ports of entry in Greece. Most agents have counterparts that they work with in neighboring countries. We always ask for referrals from the agent we check out with for the next port of entry for the country we plan to check in.
 
This system has always worked for us. I find that most good people like to do business with people who have similar philosophy in business.
 
Let me know where you intend to check in at and I can try to find you a referral.
 
Respectfully; 
 
 
Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
54 #099


On Jun 1, 2019, at 2:11 AM, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...> wrote:

Mohammad, 
 
   Thanks for the excellent information in your reponses.  Was it very expensive to hire an agent to handle your paperwork?   Any suggestions for locating or hiring an agent?
 
Thanks,
 
James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Sardinia
 
On May 31, 2019, at 4:49 PM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
 
We just had our agent in Corfu handle the tax payment for us since the website kept crashing and not everyone knows the exact process yet.
 

It was pretty painless. Our information is 8 Euros/meter per month. So for a 12 meter yacht, that comes out to 96 Euros.

Respectfully; 
 
 
Mohammad


On May 31, 2019, at 7:29 PM, Gerhard Mueller via Groups.Io <carcode@...> wrote:

You can either put your boat on the hard or deposit your boatspapers to the next Hellenic Coastguard to not  to pay this tax.
If you are a happy owner of an Amel Sharki (11.95 meter) you pay only 33,- Euro each month when cruising in Greece waters.
Be careful about the Hellenic Coastguard. Last weekend a motorboat owner was fined with 100,- Euro in Messinian Bay in front of Kalamata because his driving license was not in greece language.
The website for registration the boat tax (see link above) is very strange to handle.
-- 
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece 
 
 
 
 
 

-- 
Brent Cameron

Future Super Maramu 2000 Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada



Re: Greek Cruising Tax

James Alton
 

Mark,

   This sounds like some great advice.  I am not sure with all of the fine print of how to insure that a ticket is truly fully refundable but I will check into this.   As it turns out we have a 5 plus hour layover before the international portion of the flight.  Is it important to have the refundable ticket in hand or could this be done during our layover to satisfy the officials in the event that there is a “hassle”?

Best,

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220

On Jun 15, 2019, at 9:57 AM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

The easiest way to avoid the airport hassle or immigration constraints is to purchase a fully refundable one-way return airline ticket within the visa dates. Once you are in your location, refund the ticket. 

If you time the purchase correctly, you will not even have to pay for the ticket on your credit card since it can be refunded within the same billing cycle.
 
 
With best regards,
 
Mark
 
Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama
 
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brent Cameron
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2019 5:38 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Greek Cruising Tax
 
  • Hi James. My wife Jen and I are in a similar situation right now.  We flew out of Pearson but we were on Azores Airlines. We’re flying back out of Vienna on TAP so no cross linkages at all. Nobody in the EU seems to care how long we were there for as we were never asked how long we were staying and we crossed into and out of the EU and Schengen zone many, many times (Azores - flight, UK - flight, Austria - flight, Romania - flight, Austria - flight, Hungary - car, Slovenia - car, Italy - car, Croatia - car, Bosnia - car, Croatia - car, Montenegro - car, Croatia - car, Bosnia - car, Croatia - car, Bosnia - car, Croatia - car so far :-).   The passports get stamped with an entry and exit date every time but no “visa” or restrictions. I’m guessing they’d give you grief only if you over stayed your welcome. The Europeans are far more organized than the US, Canada or UK in that they also do exit checks and demand that hotels and B&B’s report your presence on a nightly basis.   There are signs as you enter Croatia and Montenegro that say as much but frankly they aren’t very uptight about any of it. Gazillions of tourists here and it’s going to get far worse in July/August so I suspect they have far better things to do than hassle you. Air Canada shouldn’t care on the outbound leg and if Austria didn’t care about any of our one way Ryan Air tickets in and out (being Uber efficient Germanic types) I can’t imagine you’ll have any issues anywhere else. I saw the same thing flying into Lisbon and Barcelona on TAP last fall.. I had an outbound ticket on Ryan Air to Stansted but they never even asked about it.  Good luck!
 
Brent
On Jun 15, 2019, 11:09 AM +0200, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...>, wrote:

Mohammad and Aty, 
 
   Thanks for taking the time to provide the email address for Chris.  I have added this to my Greece file and will be contacting Chris soon.
 
   I do have another question to anyone that can help.  We have round trip tickets  via Air France out of Canada to Italy. The arrival and departure dates are more than 4 months apart while the Schengen limit is 90 days.   We plan to spend sufficient time outside of the Schengen in Croatia, Montenegro  (or possibly Turkey) to avoid exceeding the 90 day limit.  I was told by another traveller who wanted to fly to into France with Air Canada that with an departure/return flight covering more than 90 days that he was forced to change his return ticket to a date that did not exceed the 90 day limit.  Has anyone else come up against this problem and if so what would be the best solution?  My tickets are non-refundable.
 
Best,
 
James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
 
On Jun 15, 2019, at 3:45 AM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
 
Hi James;
 
Sorry for the late response. I was waiting to receive the e-mail address from Chris’s office. The e-mail address is corfu@...
 
Let me know if you need any further information
 
Respectfully;
 
 
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099
 
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Alton via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 3:07 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Greek Cruising Tax
 
Mohammad and Aty,
 
   Thanks for the contact information for Chris and also for the advice on the advance booking.  Half British and half Greek, that will be interesting.   I see that Gouvia is huge, 1235 slips and that advance booking can be done online.  If you should have a way to contact Chris via email that would be great to have.  If not then I will try  do so using the Gouvia marina email address provided on the website. Many thanks for the help, this will make our entry into Greece much more relaxed.  We will let Chris know that you referred him to us.
 
Best,
 
James and Joann
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
 
On Jun 2, 2019, at 4:42 PM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
 
James; the agents name is Chris with A1. He is half British and half Greek. Very nice and trustworthy guy. We’ve known him for 2 years now. His number +30 693 7165050. Let him know I referred you to him. He knows almost every one related to boating in Corfu. A great resource. 
 
There’s only one marina in Corfu, Gouvia. Can get very busy in the high season. I would highly recommend booking ahead. He can also make arrangement for you to anchor out and take your papers in by dinghy/
 
Respectfully; 
 
 
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo 
AMEL 54 #099


On Jun 2, 2019, at 10:28 PM, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...> wrote:

Mohammad and Aty, 
 
  This all sounds good to me.  I especially like the point about gaining a good source of information.  Could you send me the name of the agent you used in Corfu?  Also, which marina he operates out of.  
 
  James
 
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
 
On Jun 2, 2019, at 2:57 PM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
 
Hi james, 
 
The cost of the agent varies, typically anywhere between 50 and 100 euros depending on the island. This can easily be done by yourself, but we’ve found that the process goes a lot smoother and the requirements a lot more lax when done by agents who typically either know the customs agents well or they are friends. 
 
The agent takes your paper work, goes and takes care of all required formalities and returns with the Greek cruising permit. There will be some other government fees that will be separate from the agent fees.
 
We do know a very nice agent in Corfu which will be the first island you will encounter sailing south from the Adriatic. We actually had him on board today for drinks while doing a sea trial with the Volvo dealer in Corfu, who again are friends.
 

In my experience you get a lot more than what you pay in agent costs. You find a Great source of information and a lot better service from others that happen to be the agents friend.

Respectfully; 
 
 
Mohammad And Aty
B&B Kokomo
54 #099


On Jun 2, 2019, at 1:26 PM, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...> wrote:

Mohammad and Aty 
 
  Thanks for the advice and for the offer to help find an agent.    I am not sure of what the cost for this service my be but this option certainly sounds appealing for at least our first entry into Greece to insure that all of the i’s are dotted and the t’s crossed.   Mostly likely we will arrive in Greece from the North so a suggestion for a Port of entry and of an agent there would be very helpful.  We will be sailing around the boot of Italy from Sardinia and we want to visit Croatia and Greece for sure.  The gulf of Kotor in Montenegro looks appealing as well.  My wife would really like to see Venice so if the conditions are good we will head up to the North end first and work our way down the West coast to Greece.  If the conditions are not favourable for the trip North up the Adriatic the general plan is to cross to the West coast to Croatia somewhere, any suggestions on a port of entry?  We will have a bit over 4 months  this season so we will need to plan to be outside the Schengen area for a bit over a month so I think Croatia and Montenegro are our two options in that regard.  Any general routing suggestions from those familiar with this area would be appreciated.
 
Best,
 
James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Sardinia
 
On Jun 1, 2019, at 3:09 AM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
 
Hi james; 
 
There are several agents in most ports of entry in Greece. Most agents have counterparts that they work with in neighboring countries. We always ask for referrals from the agent we check out with for the next port of entry for the country we plan to check in.
 
This system has always worked for us. I find that most good people like to do business with people who have similar philosophy in business.
 
Let me know where you intend to check in at and I can try to find you a referral.
 
Respectfully; 
 
 
Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
54 #099


On Jun 1, 2019, at 2:11 AM, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...> wrote:

Mohammad, 
 
   Thanks for the excellent information in your reponses.  Was it very expensive to hire an agent to handle your paperwork?   Any suggestions for locating or hiring an agent?
 
Thanks,
 
James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Sardinia
 
On May 31, 2019, at 4:49 PM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
 
We just had our agent in Corfu handle the tax payment for us since the website kept crashing and not everyone knows the exact process yet.
 

It was pretty painless. Our information is 8 Euros/meter per month. So for a 12 meter yacht, that comes out to 96 Euros.

Respectfully; 
 
 
Mohammad


On May 31, 2019, at 7:29 PM, Gerhard Mueller via Groups.Io <carcode@...> wrote:

You can either put your boat on the hard or deposit your boatspapers to the next Hellenic Coastguard to not  to pay this tax.
If you are a happy owner of an Amel Sharki (11.95 meter) you pay only 33,- Euro each month when cruising in Greece waters.
Be careful about the Hellenic Coastguard. Last weekend a motorboat owner was fined with 100,- Euro in Messinian Bay in front of Kalamata because his driving license was not in greece language.
The website for registration the boat tax (see link above) is very strange to handle.
-- 
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece 
 
 
 
 
 

-- 
Brent Cameron

Future Super Maramu 2000 Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada



Re: TMD22 Emergency Shutoff

James Alton
 

Rob,

   Danny’s advice about not using your hand should be heeded, guess how I know!  I had to smother a diesel once that broke all of it’s mounts plus the coupling so was laying on it’s side still running.  It was laying on the controls and the injection pump so the controls were jammed and there was no way to reach the shutdown lever.  This was a delivery nightmare situation and I don’t think the boat even had a fuel shutoff or at least not one that I could find.  What I learned from trying to strangle a diesel is that it is not easy.  I put a towel  folded multiple times over the intake and the engine did not even seem to change rpm  (it was at idle thankfully).  What worked was to wrap the towel as tightly as possible, shove it as far into the intake as I could, then twist the towel... and then add the now bruised hand over the top  to finish it off.   As has been mentioned, you sure would not want any part of the towel to get into a turbo or maybe under an intake valve so using a towel or rag might be a bad idea.  In retrospect a firm pc. of rubber sheet or something that could be placed over the intake would probably be a better idea.  

Best,

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220

On Jun 15, 2019, at 8:18 PM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

Hi Rob,

if that doesn't work blocking the air intake will. However do this with care, and NOT with your hand ( you will be injured) and NOT with a rag. (it is likely to finish up inside where you don't want it). A flat piece of timber works
Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 16 June 2019 at 08:47 "Rob Hughes via Groups.Io" <svluna01@...> wrote:

I am the one with the runaway motor. i tried the The lever on the side of the injector pump i held it over for a while but it did nothing.


Re: Rigid Propeller Santorin

Herbert Lackner
 

Hi bernd,

Yes, if the shaft alternator is not in use (it is used most of the time) the gear is in reverse. When the batteries are full during sailing or when the speed is too high we turn the alternator off.

Herbert,
SN120 KALI MERA, Mazatlan, Mexico


Re: Forward holding tank inlet clogged

Thomas Kleman
 

Thanks Bill- reminds me of one of my first projects as a new Amel owner and I used your equally prescriptive copper ground strap project plan successfully. Can't wait for your book.


Re: TMD22 Emergency Shutoff

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Rob,

if that doesn't work blocking the air intake will. However do this with care, and NOT with your hand ( you will be injured) and NOT with a rag. (it is likely to finish up inside where you don't want it). A flat piece of timber works
Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 16 June 2019 at 08:47 "Rob Hughes via Groups.Io" <svluna01@...> wrote:

I am the one with the runaway motor. i tried the The lever on the side of the injector pump i held it over for a while but it did nothing.


Re: gross and net tonnage

Thomas Kleman
 

L'ORIENT is listed as gross 21 and net 19 on the USCG docs; and not sure if everyone is aware that beginning recently you can now register for multi-year periods vs the old system requiring annual registration 


Re: Forward holding tank inlet clogged

 


Re: TMD22 Emergency Shutoff

Rob Hughes
 

I am the one with the runaway motor. i tried the The lever on the side of the injector pump i held it over for a while but it did nothing.


Organized Photo Section of the Amel Yacht Owners Group #IMPORTANT

 

I just spent several hours browsing through the newly organized Photos. Wow, it was a pleasure. I am really impressed, and while browsing the albums, I learned a few new "Amel things." A huge amount of work went into reorganizing Photos! All of the work was performed by SM owners Gary Silver and Andrew Lamb. And, as a huge benefit, these photos are now searchable. Thank you both very much! ,

I think each Amel Yacht Owner Group member should browse the albums in Photos. 

Since any member is allowed to add albums and photos, let's all try to be as organized as Gary and Andrew made our Photos. We do have an ongoing photo issue. Any photo we embed or attach to an email automatically gets dumped into a single album named "Emailed Photos." I am not sure we will be able to clean this up because we can only download or delete photos in this album.

Gary and Andrew, please let us all know any suggestions you have for any/all of us.
--

Best,
 
Bill Rouse


Forward holding tank inlet clogged

Thomas Kleman
 

Actually, there was an outlet clog also but several chemical treatments cured that. However, the macerator pump easily lifts water to fill the hose beyond the joker valve, then encounters a clog. Ive tried snaking this and also flushing chemicals to put them in touch with the clog, but no luck. 

Not sure of the shape of this fitting at the top of holding tank so snaking it is kind of difficult. Since the clog is at the top of the tank, I would need a lot of chemicals to fill the holding tank from the deck access point to address the clog that way. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Tom Kleman
SM2K 422 
San Andres Colombia


Re: Rigid Propeller Santorin

Ian Park
 

Do you still have your shaft alternator. I always switch mine on when sailing. It keeps the batteries fully charged. When you turn the key on the 12v panel there is a very significant drop in the propellor speed.
I have not noticed any problem with wear on the shaft wearing out bearing either.
Before putting the engine back on I always put the gear lever into reverse to stop the prop shaft alternator charging. I don’t think this is a big problem, but it was what Amel recommended.

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96


Re: Rigid Propeller Santorin

Gerhard Mueller
 

I have a sticker at the helmstand saying not to shift into forward gear while sailing with stopped engine.
The reverse gear is not mentioned.
To be sure you should tell us the engine type and gearbox type you have.
--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece


Rigid Propeller Santorin

Bernd Spanner
 

Hi! Please let me know if you stop your prop in reverse gear if shaft generator is not on use.
By stopping you would get rid of the noise and also reduce wear of the gearbox and shaft seals...
The extra drag is imho not an issue since I am not sailing races....
Thanks


Re: gross and net tonnage

sbmesasailor
 

Hi Craig,

Your statement that Gross and Net Tons have nothing to do with what your boat weighs is not quite acccurate.

Displacement is the volume of water displaced when the vessel is freely floating and such volume will equal the total weight of the boat and all items thereon at that time. It is a direct relation to overal weight.

The USCG formula was designed for cargo-carrying vessels.  That is why the formula is so far off for sailboats and sailboat owners have issues with the difference.

Dennis


Re: Greek Cruising Tax

Mark Erdos
 

The easiest way to avoid the airport hassle or immigration constraints is to purchase a fully refundable one-way return airline ticket within the visa dates. Once you are in your location, refund the ticket.

If you time the purchase correctly, you will not even have to pay for the ticket on your credit card since it can be refunded within the same billing cycle.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brent Cameron
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2019 5:38 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Greek Cruising Tax

 

  • Hi James. My wife Jen and I are in a similar situation right now.  We flew out of Pearson but we were on Azores Airlines. We’re flying back out of Vienna on TAP so no cross linkages at all. Nobody in the EU seems to care how long we were there for as we were never asked how long we were staying and we crossed into and out of the EU and Schengen zone many, many times (Azores - flight, UK - flight, Austria - flight, Romania - flight, Austria - flight, Hungary - car, Slovenia - car, Italy - car, Croatia - car, Bosnia - car, Croatia - car, Montenegro - car, Croatia - car, Bosnia - car, Croatia - car, Bosnia - car, Croatia - car so far :-).   The passports get stamped with an entry and exit date every time but no “visa” or restrictions. I’m guessing they’d give you grief only if you over stayed your welcome. The Europeans are far more organized than the US, Canada or UK in that they also do exit checks and demand that hotels and B&B’s report your presence on a nightly basis.   There are signs as you enter Croatia and Montenegro that say as much but frankly they aren’t very uptight about any of it. Gazillions of tourists here and it’s going to get far worse in July/August so I suspect they have far better things to do than hassle you. Air Canada shouldn’t care on the outbound leg and if Austria didn’t care about any of our one way Ryan Air tickets in and out (being Uber efficient Germanic types) I can’t imagine you’ll have any issues anywhere else. I saw the same thing flying into Lisbon and Barcelona on TAP last fall.. I had an outbound ticket on Ryan Air to Stansted but they never even asked about it.  Good luck!

 

Brent

On Jun 15, 2019, 11:09 AM +0200, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...>, wrote:

Mohammad and Aty,

 

   Thanks for taking the time to provide the email address for Chris.  I have added this to my Greece file and will be contacting Chris soon.

 

   I do have another question to anyone that can help.  We have round trip tickets  via Air France out of Canada to Italy. The arrival and departure dates are more than 4 months apart while the Schengen limit is 90 days.   We plan to spend sufficient time outside of the Schengen in Croatia, Montenegro  (or possibly Turkey) to avoid exceeding the 90 day limit.  I was told by another traveller who wanted to fly to into France with Air Canada that with an departure/return flight covering more than 90 days that he was forced to change his return ticket to a date that did not exceed the 90 day limit.  Has anyone else come up against this problem and if so what would be the best solution?  My tickets are non-refundable.

 

Best,

 

James

SV Sueno

Maramu #220

 

On Jun 15, 2019, at 3:45 AM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

 

Hi James;

 

Sorry for the late response. I was waiting to receive the e-mail address from Chris’s office. The e-mail address is corfu@...

 

Let me know if you need any further information

 

Respectfully;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Alton via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 3:07 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Greek Cruising Tax

 

Mohammad and Aty,

 

   Thanks for the contact information for Chris and also for the advice on the advance booking.  Half British and half Greek, that will be interesting.   I see that Gouvia is huge, 1235 slips and that advance booking can be done online.  If you should have a way to contact Chris via email that would be great to have.  If not then I will try  do so using the Gouvia marina email address provided on the website. Many thanks for the help, this will make our entry into Greece much more relaxed.  We will let Chris know that you referred him to us.

 

Best,

 

James and Joann

SV Sueno

Maramu #220

 

On Jun 2, 2019, at 4:42 PM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

 

James; the agents name is Chris with A1. He is half British and half Greek. Very nice and trustworthy guy. We’ve known him for 2 years now. His number +30 693 7165050. Let him know I referred you to him. He knows almost every one related to boating in Corfu. A great resource. 

 

There’s only one marina in Corfu, Gouvia. Can get very busy in the high season. I would highly recommend booking ahead. He can also make arrangement for you to anchor out and take your papers in by dinghy/

 

Respectfully; 

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo 

AMEL 54 #099


On Jun 2, 2019, at 10:28 PM, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...> wrote:

Mohammad and Aty, 

 

  This all sounds good to me.  I especially like the point about gaining a good source of information.  Could you send me the name of the agent you used in Corfu?  Also, which marina he operates out of.  

 

  James

 

SV Sueno

Maramu #220

 

On Jun 2, 2019, at 2:57 PM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

 

Hi james, 

 

The cost of the agent varies, typically anywhere between 50 and 100 euros depending on the island. This can easily be done by yourself, but we’ve found that the process goes a lot smoother and the requirements a lot more lax when done by agents who typically either know the customs agents well or they are friends. 

 

The agent takes your paper work, goes and takes care of all required formalities and returns with the Greek cruising permit. There will be some other government fees that will be separate from the agent fees.

 

We do know a very nice agent in Corfu which will be the first island you will encounter sailing south from the Adriatic. We actually had him on board today for drinks while doing a sea trial with the Volvo dealer in Corfu, who again are friends.

 

In my experience you get a lot more than what you pay in agent costs. You find a Great source of information and a lot better service from others that happen to be the agents friend.

Respectfully; 

 

 

Mohammad And Aty

B&B Kokomo

54 #099


On Jun 2, 2019, at 1:26 PM, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...> wrote:

Mohammad and Aty 

 

  Thanks for the advice and for the offer to help find an agent.    I am not sure of what the cost for this service my be but this option certainly sounds appealing for at least our first entry into Greece to insure that all of the i’s are dotted and the t’s crossed.   Mostly likely we will arrive in Greece from the North so a suggestion for a Port of entry and of an agent there would be very helpful.  We will be sailing around the boot of Italy from Sardinia and we want to visit Croatia and Greece for sure.  The gulf of Kotor in Montenegro looks appealing as well.  My wife would really like to see Venice so if the conditions are good we will head up to the North end first and work our way down the West coast to Greece.  If the conditions are not favourable for the trip North up the Adriatic the general plan is to cross to the West coast to Croatia somewhere, any suggestions on a port of entry?  We will have a bit over 4 months  this season so we will need to plan to be outside the Schengen area for a bit over a month so I think Croatia and Montenegro are our two options in that regard.  Any general routing suggestions from those familiar with this area would be appreciated.

 

Best,

 

James

SV Sueno

Maramu #220

Arbatax,  Sardinia

 

On Jun 1, 2019, at 3:09 AM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

 

Hi james; 

 

There are several agents in most ports of entry in Greece. Most agents have counterparts that they work with in neighboring countries. We always ask for referrals from the agent we check out with for the next port of entry for the country we plan to check in.

 

This system has always worked for us. I find that most good people like to do business with people who have similar philosophy in business.

 

Let me know where you intend to check in at and I can try to find you a referral.

 

Respectfully; 

 

 

Mohammad & Aty

B&B Kokomo

54 #099


On Jun 1, 2019, at 2:11 AM, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...> wrote:

Mohammad, 

 

   Thanks for the excellent information in your reponses.  Was it very expensive to hire an agent to handle your paperwork?   Any suggestions for locating or hiring an agent?

 

Thanks,

 

James

SV Sueno

Maramu #220

Arbatax,  Sardinia

 

On May 31, 2019, at 4:49 PM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

 

We just had our agent in Corfu handle the tax payment for us since the website kept crashing and not everyone knows the exact process yet.

 

It was pretty painless. Our information is 8 Euros/meter per month. So for a 12 meter yacht, that comes out to 96 Euros.

Respectfully; 

 

 

Mohammad


On May 31, 2019, at 7:29 PM, Gerhard Mueller via Groups.Io <carcode@...> wrote:

You can either put your boat on the hard or deposit your boatspapers to the next Hellenic Coastguard to not  to pay this tax.
If you are a happy owner of an Amel Sharki (11.95 meter) you pay only 33,- Euro each month when cruising in Greece waters.
Be careful about the Hellenic Coastguard. Last weekend a motorboat owner was fined with 100,- Euro in Messinian Bay in front of Kalamata because his driving license was not in greece language.
The website for registration the boat tax (see link above) is very strange to handle.
-- 
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece 

 

 

 

 

 


--
Brent Cameron

Future Super Maramu 2000 Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada


Re: Greek Cruising Tax

Brent Cameron
 

  • Hi James. My wife Jen and I are in a similar situation right now.  We flew out of Pearson but we were on Azores Airlines. We’re flying back out of Vienna on TAP so no cross linkages at all. Nobody in the EU seems to care how long we were there for as we were never asked how long we were staying and we crossed into and out of the EU and Schengen zone many, many times (Azores - flight, UK - flight, Austria - flight, Romania - flight, Austria - flight, Hungary - car, Slovenia - car, Italy - car, Croatia - car, Bosnia - car, Croatia - car, Montenegro - car, Croatia - car, Bosnia - car, Croatia - car, Bosnia - car, Croatia - car so far :-).   The passports get stamped with an entry and exit date every time but no “visa” or restrictions. I’m guessing they’d give you grief only if you over stayed your welcome. The Europeans are far more organized than the US, Canada or UK in that they also do exit checks and demand that hotels and B&B’s report your presence on a nightly basis.   There are signs as you enter Croatia and Montenegro that say as much but frankly they aren’t very uptight about any of it. Gazillions of tourists here and it’s going to get far worse in July/August so I suspect they have far better things to do than hassle you. Air Canada shouldn’t care on the outbound leg and if Austria didn’t care about any of our one way Ryan Air tickets in and out (being Uber efficient Germanic types) I can’t imagine you’ll have any issues anywhere else. I saw the same thing flying into Lisbon and Barcelona on TAP last fall.. I had an outbound ticket on Ryan Air to Stansted but they never even asked about it.  Good luck!

Brent

On Jun 15, 2019, 11:09 AM +0200, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...>, wrote:
Mohammad and Aty,

   Thanks for taking the time to provide the email address for Chris.  I have added this to my Greece file and will be contacting Chris soon.

   I do have another question to anyone that can help.  We have round trip tickets  via Air France out of Canada to Italy. The arrival and departure dates are more than 4 months apart while the Schengen limit is 90 days.   We plan to spend sufficient time outside of the Schengen in Croatia, Montenegro  (or possibly Turkey) to avoid exceeding the 90 day limit.  I was told by another traveller who wanted to fly to into France with Air Canada that with an departure/return flight covering more than 90 days that he was forced to change his return ticket to a date that did not exceed the 90 day limit.  Has anyone else come up against this problem and if so what would be the best solution?  My tickets are non-refundable.

Best,

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220

On Jun 15, 2019, at 3:45 AM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

Hi James;
 
Sorry for the late response. I was waiting to receive the e-mail address from Chris’s office. The e-mail address is corfu@...
 
Let me know if you need any further information
 
Respectfully;
 
 
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099
 
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Alton via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 3:07 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Greek Cruising Tax
 
Mohammad and Aty,
 
   Thanks for the contact information for Chris and also for the advice on the advance booking.  Half British and half Greek, that will be interesting.   I see that Gouvia is huge, 1235 slips and that advance booking can be done online.  If you should have a way to contact Chris via email that would be great to have.  If not then I will try  do so using the Gouvia marina email address provided on the website. Many thanks for the help, this will make our entry into Greece much more relaxed.  We will let Chris know that you referred him to us.
 
Best,
 
James and Joann
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
 
On Jun 2, 2019, at 4:42 PM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
 
James; the agents name is Chris with A1. He is half British and half Greek. Very nice and trustworthy guy. We’ve known him for 2 years now. His number +30 693 7165050. Let him know I referred you to him. He knows almost every one related to boating in Corfu. A great resource. 
 
There’s only one marina in Corfu, Gouvia. Can get very busy in the high season. I would highly recommend booking ahead. He can also make arrangement for you to anchor out and take your papers in by dinghy/
 
Respectfully; 
 
 
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo 
AMEL 54 #099


On Jun 2, 2019, at 10:28 PM, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...> wrote:

Mohammad and Aty, 
 
  This all sounds good to me.  I especially like the point about gaining a good source of information.  Could you send me the name of the agent you used in Corfu?  Also, which marina he operates out of.  
 
  James
 
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
 
On Jun 2, 2019, at 2:57 PM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
 
Hi james, 
 
The cost of the agent varies, typically anywhere between 50 and 100 euros depending on the island. This can easily be done by yourself, but we’ve found that the process goes a lot smoother and the requirements a lot more lax when done by agents who typically either know the customs agents well or they are friends. 
 
The agent takes your paper work, goes and takes care of all required formalities and returns with the Greek cruising permit. There will be some other government fees that will be separate from the agent fees.
 
We do know a very nice agent in Corfu which will be the first island you will encounter sailing south from the Adriatic. We actually had him on board today for drinks while doing a sea trial with the Volvo dealer in Corfu, who again are friends.
 

In my experience you get a lot more than what you pay in agent costs. You find a Great source of information and a lot better service from others that happen to be the agents friend.

Respectfully; 
 
 
Mohammad And Aty
B&B Kokomo
54 #099


On Jun 2, 2019, at 1:26 PM, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...> wrote:

Mohammad and Aty 
 
  Thanks for the advice and for the offer to help find an agent.    I am not sure of what the cost for this service my be but this option certainly sounds appealing for at least our first entry into Greece to insure that all of the i’s are dotted and the t’s crossed.   Mostly likely we will arrive in Greece from the North so a suggestion for a Port of entry and of an agent there would be very helpful.  We will be sailing around the boot of Italy from Sardinia and we want to visit Croatia and Greece for sure.  The gulf of Kotor in Montenegro looks appealing as well.  My wife would really like to see Venice so if the conditions are good we will head up to the North end first and work our way down the West coast to Greece.  If the conditions are not favourable for the trip North up the Adriatic the general plan is to cross to the West coast to Croatia somewhere, any suggestions on a port of entry?  We will have a bit over 4 months  this season so we will need to plan to be outside the Schengen area for a bit over a month so I think Croatia and Montenegro are our two options in that regard.  Any general routing suggestions from those familiar with this area would be appreciated.
 
Best,
 
James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Sardinia
 
On Jun 1, 2019, at 3:09 AM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
 
Hi james; 
 
There are several agents in most ports of entry in Greece. Most agents have counterparts that they work with in neighboring countries. We always ask for referrals from the agent we check out with for the next port of entry for the country we plan to check in.
 
This system has always worked for us. I find that most good people like to do business with people who have similar philosophy in business.
 
Let me know where you intend to check in at and I can try to find you a referral.
 
Respectfully; 
 
 
Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
54 #099


On Jun 1, 2019, at 2:11 AM, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...> wrote:

Mohammad, 
 
   Thanks for the excellent information in your reponses.  Was it very expensive to hire an agent to handle your paperwork?   Any suggestions for locating or hiring an agent?
 
Thanks,
 
James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Sardinia
 
On May 31, 2019, at 4:49 PM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
 
We just had our agent in Corfu handle the tax payment for us since the website kept crashing and not everyone knows the exact process yet.
 

It was pretty painless. Our information is 8 Euros/meter per month. So for a 12 meter yacht, that comes out to 96 Euros.

Respectfully; 
 
 
Mohammad


On May 31, 2019, at 7:29 PM, Gerhard Mueller via Groups.Io <carcode@...> wrote:

You can either put your boat on the hard or deposit your boatspapers to the next Hellenic Coastguard to not  to pay this tax.
If you are a happy owner of an Amel Sharki (11.95 meter) you pay only 33,- Euro each month when cruising in Greece waters.
Be careful about the Hellenic Coastguard. Last weekend a motorboat owner was fined with 100,- Euro in Messinian Bay in front of Kalamata because his driving license was not in greece language.
The website for registration the boat tax (see link above) is very strange to handle.
-- 
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece 
 
 
 
 



--
Brent Cameron

Future Super Maramu 2000 Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada

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