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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Mark, as I said, I may have the wrong end of the stick, it appears I did.

Kind Regards

Danny

On 29 January 2019 at 09:45 "'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Danny,

 

I am not suggesting any funny business. i.e. When Bill Rouse owned BeBe he was able to get an underwriter in the EU because the vessel was registered in the USVI. The same insurance company said they could not write in the USA. We have addresses in the USA, UK and Panama. We do not live at any of them. Ownership nationality has little to do with the policy. We are always very clear to explain in writing to the insurance company we reside on the vessel and the address given is for mailing purposes only. We have had one insurance company accept the marina as our address without issue. This is common practice for people residing on boats. And, the insurance company expects for the vessel to move within the limits of the policy.

 

In working with the independent Novamar agent, he was able to get Novamar to wave any requirements for a survey or rig inspection. This is NOT concealing anything. It is called negotiating the policy.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 2:36 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance

 

 

Hi Mark,

all insurance policies I have seen require nothing to be concealed or information withheld on pain of cancellation. I may have the wrong end of the stick but it seems ownership nationality and something to do with the rig may be concealed in what you are suggesting.

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 29 January 2019 at 03:39 "'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Craig,

 

We were able to get a quote from Y-Yacht because we are BVI flagged and our vessel is corporate owned in the BVI. I also believe they will underwrite a vessel in the USVI with a USVI address. Eric from Kimberlite has a contact who can do the address piece. The change of port is one piece of paper filed with USCG documentation.

 

I also have a really good independent broker who writes policies for Novamar USA, an “A” rated company with a lot of recommendations from members of the OCC. The price is the same as going to Novamar directly. However, he has a direct line to the underwriters and can help work around some issues such as survey or age of rigger etc. I am reluctant to post his contact info publically. Let me know if you’d like it.

 

Hope this helps.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 10:15 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance

 

 

I just heard back from Y Yacht Insurance - they cannot cover US yachts at this time, but are making enquires and hope to be able to do so next year.

 

Craig Briggs SN68



---In amelyachtowners@..., <sangaris@...> wrote :

PS:  MS and AD Insurance Group Holdings is a Japanese company which you can google for more info.



---In amelyachtowners@..., <sangaris@...> wrote :

All,

Suggest you read further, if interested, at yyachtinsurance dot com, which states Barry Sullivan, who happens to own a Maramu, started Pantaenius UK, did business as Shearlangstone, Ltd. , became Y Yacht Insurance in 2011. Now set up Y Yacht Assurances France for post-Brexit operation. The actual insurance and underwriting is through MS Amlin, part of MS and AD (haven't researched them) and Y Yacht Insurance is a trading name of Y at-sign Limited, an English company.

 

FWIW,

Craig Briggs, SN68 - I did ask for a quote and will let you know what I hear. 

 



---In amelyachtowners@..., <gmshea@...> wrote :

Hi all,

My info is that Barrie Sullivan of Y used to be the GM of Pantaenius UK but "retired" and started Y

 

Greg Shea

Sharki 133 Cap des Iles

Preveza

 


 

 

 

 


 


 

 


 


 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: The Mechanics of Battery Equalization

karkauai
 

I guess it's for liability reasons that many chargers don't have equalization modes, and that the ones that do have equalization mode are so anxious about it.  It's a given that most boats will discharge significantly at night with our redundant refrigerators, and we rarely will charge back up to 100% of capacity because of the inefficiencies of running the generator to get that last few percent of capacity into the batteries.  Hence the need for regularly scheduled equalization.  It's really important to get the battery manufacturer's recommendations for abs, float, and equalization voltages.  If you're charging at less that the recommended voltages, you will have to equalize more often.  My new batteries (130 AHr Crown Marine deep cycle) require 29v Abs, and 31V equalization for 3 hours.  That information was hard to find...not on line, and the engineer I spoke to at Crown had to call me back because he couldn't find it easily.

I've added solar recently (now up to 900 Watts) and when it's sunny, the batteries get pretty close to 100%, but not all the way.  On cloudy days I have to run the generator for an hour or so every morning. 

Danny, Other than the 24-12VDC "permanent" converter, Kristy has a 24-110AC inverter that is not on the battery switch.  The solar panels/controllers are also connected on the battery side of the switches with the chargers.  I was told by the guys who installed my solar/controllers that equalization voltages wouldn't damage them.

Kent & Iris
SM 243
Kristy


From: "brass.ring@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 12:22 PM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: The Mechanics of Battery Equalization

 
Hi Gary,

We have Mastervolt chargers and they do have have an equalization mode.  By the discussion in the manual you can dicern that the equalization mode is not intended to be used very often.  Below is an excerpt from from the manual: 

"An equalizing charge can be necessary after very deep
discharges and/or inadequate charges. This has to be
carried out according to the specifications of the
manufacturer of the batteries.
During equalizing the batteries are brought into the gas
state and is it possible that the permitted load voltages are
exceeded. Therefore appropriate measures must be
taken, e.g. disconnect all loads from the battery and
ventilate the room. For these reasons use of the equalizing
mode should only be executed by trained technical
engineers.
The equalizing mode can only be started when the
Chargemaster is in operation and in Float. This means that
the connection compartment of the Chargemaster must be
opened while connected to the mains and the batteries.
Take adequate measures for protection against short
circuits and electrical shocks.
To start the equalize mode: move DIP switch 4 to the ON
position and back to the OFF position."

Mark Mueller
Brass Ring A54



Furler motors & Headsail - Santorin

Craig Briggs
 

Hi John.

I started a new topic for you as you had buried your post in a thread about insurance which is quite confusing.


It may be more helpful if you would describe what problem you have that suggests you want to replace your original furler motors, or are you looking for spares, or what?  Usually, the reduction gears are the problem, not the motors and if you tell us bit more about your problem we may be able to offer more helpful suggestions.  As to your headsail, again, some more information about what you want to do would help you to get more useful replies. Have you approached a sailmaker about this and have a question, or what?


Best regards,

Craig Briggs, SN68 - Sangaris, Ft Pierce, Florida


---In amelyachtowners@..., <johnhayes862@...> wrote :

Happy new year one and all

Anyone out there replaced the original furler motors in past and head sail on a Santorini and if so be really great full to learn the name and spec of replacement units

Best 

John Hayes 
NGA Waka
SN 41

New Zealand


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] The Mechanics of Battery Equalization

karkauai
 

Hi Danny,
I have a Victron Skylla-i 24v/80A charger for the last 3 years.  So far very happy with it.  It has equalization cycles that can be automatic, or only manual. I chose the manual because I want to know when the voltages are over 30 as recommended by my battery company.  There are several preset modes depending on your battery type, and an adjustable setting where you can set your Abs and Float voltages.  On that setting, the equalization voltage is Abs Voltage plus 3.6V, limited by Amperage to 25% of 80 Amp max with my charger (or how ever you set the max), or 4 hours.  So if Amperage reaches 20A during equaliation, the voltage will drop to the point that gives 20A charging.

Hope that helps,
Kent & Iris
SM 243
Kristy
Still in Ft Lauderdale waiting for faucet parts...Ugh.


From: amelliahona
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 8:20 AM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] The Mechanics of Battery Equalization

 
Hi All:

My 50 Amp Dolphin Battery charger (original Amel) suddenly died upon re-commissioning the boat after our hurricane repairs.  Having an electronics background I contacted Dolphin for schematics and a parts list which they promptly provided for this 17 year old product, (wow, I was impressed, and when I have a moment I will post those items in the files section).  As usual the failed parts were two capacitors (that seems to be the most common failure mode for all things electric on our boats).  The exact part number was available and I obtained those and installed them and voila, the beast is alive.  The LED indicators also went at the same time, so I found replacements for those cute little rectangular LEDs, replaced them, and checks show everything is working as prior including the multistage charging etc.  Total cost about $16.00 US and a day's labor at my exorbitant shop rate of $0.00 per hour.  If you actually paid someone to render this repair it would probably be cheaper to buy a new charger.

My chargers don't have an equalization mode so I have been using a DC power supply to equalize pairs (4 pairs) at 31 volts at 5 amps.  This is laborious (2 day) process but forces me to carefully watch the process and monitor temps, water levels, specific gravity etc.  I also isolate each pair from the boat during the process to avoid any damage to any boat items. 

As I considered a new charger (just in case I couldn't fix the Dolphin 50 A), I found that I couldn't find any marine 28 volt DC, 50-60 amp output, input 220-230 volt, 50-60 hertz chargers that have an equalization mode.  Blue Sea makes one but it is a max 40 Amp DC output,  Mastervolt and Victron don't have any with an equalization mode (at least that I could discover in their literature).  So I have two questions for the group:

1.  What charger do you have that has an equalization mode?  

2.  When you do the equalization, how do you isolate the house bank batteries from the boat? (I know that turning off the two large red handles in the quarter-berth companionway turns off most of the power to the boat, but I wasn't certain if there are "sneak, hot battery bus" type circuits that are wired (e.g. inverters, solar panel regulators etc).  The chargers do NOT go thru the large red handled shut off switches.  

Your thoughts and experiences would be most welcome. 

Sincerely 
Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 #335
Puerto Del Rey Marina - Puerto Rico



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Any Amel owners who have sailed to Chile from Panama?

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Danny,


 We were there in the pre-blog era. I am in the process of writing up  the 7 years we spent sailing around South America but I am heavily engaged in a bio tech start up which all came about when I was using what was then the only cruising guide to Chile written by Ian and Maggy Staples in the late 90's . It became the RCC guide to Chilean waters. By 2003 they had sold their boat and bought the most beautiful farm in the Chilean lake district. Arising out of the production of honey on his farm Ian discovered a technology now  known as Reactive Oxygen. One thing led to another and  to www.matokeholdings.com which is severely curtailing my sailing--but we are going to save the world!

 One of the great benefits of the sailing world is not only that it takes you to fascinating places but you also meet fascinating people who you might never meet at your golf club. They change your life.


 Good though Ian and Maggy's guide is, the one book you should read is the Patagonia & Tierra del Fuego Nautical guide by Mariolina Rolfo and Giorgio Adrizzi. They bought, second hand, the very first Amel Sharki ( 16 coats of varnish!) and ended up spending 16 years in Chile, mainly in the Beagle.  It is the most comprehensive book on sailing conditions, anchorages, wild life, history etc etc. We became good friends and even contributed in a tiny way to their second edition.  I defy any Amel owner  to read that book and not  want to sail there. Even if you don't sail there it makes fascinating reading. We anchored in more than 70 remote  anchorages otherwise unknown to us relying entirely on their guide.


 Also read Hal Roth's  excellent book Two against the Horn. I first read it about 35 years ago and it contains a sentence to the effect that the most challenging place to take a yacht is the Chilean canales. That one sentence stood as a challenge to me during all the years when I was working until Judy said to me " if you don't do something about your dream you're going to be a wannabe Chile man ".  That was it--how can a man deny his wife?


 Very few boats go down to the south and most that do are passage making east to west and tend to hurry through. If you do go down there be ready to spend at least 2 seasons exploring what is one of the most remarkable places to sail.


Fair winds--you will need them in that part of the world .


 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Greece




From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 28 January 2019 18:24:48
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Any Amel owners who have sailed to Chile from Panama?
 


Hi Ian and Judy,

I would love to read about all your experiences. Do you have some blogs you can share directly with me, guess we shouldn't load the forum. Or write a book.(seriously)  Its an area I have never thought of as a cruisers option and I am fascinated.

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 29 January 2019 at 02:10 "Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:

 

 

Hi James,

We sailed from Panama to Chile in 2002/3 and then spent two seasons in Chile, mainly in and around the Beagle Channel.  Can't say enough about it. The best sailing experiences in 40 years of sailing and a Supermaramu is the perfect boat for those conditions.

The standard passage is to leave Panama and head  southwest in a wide arc and come back east around about Chiloe. However, friends of ours encouraged us to take the coastal route, against the prevailing wind and Humboldt current. Neither is a problem until you get to about 40s and even then you just pick your weather. We made about 90 miles good each day and were the only yacht to make the whole passage that year. Panama to Salinas in Ecuador we largely made under engine. It's doldrums country, flat calm for 6 days. We put Pen Azen ashore in Ecuador for 5 months while we backpacked around the country. Then to Peru where we anchored off Callao for a month and then we coast hopped . Very few ports, but every now and then you come across a little north facing bay where the Clube de Yates ( whose members  generally only have little motor boats) will give you a wonderful welcome.

 I could write reams about our experiences. Easier to chat if you have lots of questions. Email me on penazen@... if you would like to do so and we can fix a time. We are in London so GMT at the moment.

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Greece
 

From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of jamescromie@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 27 January 2019 19:25
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Any Amel owners who have sailed to Chile from Panama?
 


Hello everyone - 

I'm interested to know if there are any Amel owners who have sailed to Southern Chile from Panama along the Pacific coast of South America.  If so, I'd love to hear about your experience.   


Many thanks!

-James

Soteria

#347



 

 


 


 




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance

 

Yes, Mark & Danny. In fact the insurance company was given a copy of the US Coast Guard Documentation which clearly listed our home address in Texas and our Hailing Port (homeport) as St Thomas.


The insurance company explained it to me this way: US waters are the most expensive for insurance companies because of the high rate of lawsuits in US Courts and the high rate of damages awarded. Somehow insurance companies place important value on homeport. I was able to buy French insurance with a "homeport" of St. Thomas West Indies (which is a US Territory) and a US registered vessel with a US address. It was the exception to the rule for that insurance company. BTW, that company is no longer in business.

Best,

Bill Rouse
Amel School  
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 3:46 PM 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Danny,

 

I am not suggesting any funny business. i.e. When Bill Rouse owned BeBe he was able to get an underwriter in the EU because the vessel was registered in the USVI. The same insurance company said they could not write in the USA. We have addresses in the USA, UK and Panama. We do not live at any of them. Ownership nationality has little to do with the policy. We are always very clear to explain in writing to the insurance company we reside on the vessel and the address given is for mailing purposes only. We have had one insurance company accept the marina as our address without issue. This is common practice for people residing on boats. And, the insurance company expects for the vessel to move within the limits of the policy.

 

In working with the independent Novamar agent, he was able to get Novamar to wave any requirements for a survey or rig inspection. This is NOT concealing anything. It is called negotiating the policy.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 2:36 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance

 

 

Hi Mark,

all insurance policies I have seen require nothing to be concealed or information withheld on pain of cancellation. I may have the wrong end of the stick but it seems ownership nationality and something to do with the rig may be concealed in what you are suggesting.

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 29 January 2019 at 03:39 "'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Craig,

 

We were able to get a quote from Y-Yacht because we are BVI flagged and our vessel is corporate owned in the BVI. I also believe they will underwrite a vessel in the USVI with a USVI address. Eric from Kimberlite has a contact who can do the address piece. The change of port is one piece of paper filed with USCG documentation.

 

I also have a really good independent broker who writes policies for Novamar USA, an “A” rated company with a lot of recommendations from members of the OCC. The price is the same as going to Novamar directly. However, he has a direct line to the underwriters and can help work around some issues such as survey or age of rigger etc. I am reluctant to post his contact info publically. Let me know if you’d like it.

 

Hope this helps.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 10:15 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance

 

 

I just heard back from Y Yacht Insurance - they cannot cover US yachts at this time, but are making enquires and hope to be able to do so next year.

 

Craig Briggs SN68



---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

PS:  MS and AD Insurance Group Holdings is a Japanese company which you can google for more info.



---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

All,

Suggest you read further, if interested, at yyachtinsurance dot com, which states Barry Sullivan, who happens to own a Maramu, started Pantaenius UK, did business as Shearlangstone, Ltd. , became Y Yacht Insurance in 2011. Now set up Y Yacht Assurances France for post-Brexit operation. The actual insurance and underwriting is through MS Amlin, part of MS and AD (haven't researched them) and Y Yacht Insurance is a trading name of Y at-sign Limited, an English company.

 

FWIW,

Craig Briggs, SN68 - I did ask for a quote and will let you know what I hear. 

 



---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Hi all,

My info is that Barrie Sullivan of Y used to be the GM of Pantaenius UK but "retired" and started Y

 

Greg Shea

Sharki 133 Cap des Iles

Preveza

 


 

 

 

 


 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance

JOHN HAYES
 

Happy new year one and all

Anyone out there replaced the original furler motors in past and head sail on a Santorini and if so be really great full to learn the name and spec of replacement units

Best 

John Hayes 
NGA Waka
SN 41

New Zealand


On 29/01/2019, at 7:35 AM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Mark,

all insurance policies I have seen require nothing to be concealed or information withheld on pain of cancellation. I may have the wrong end of the stick but it seems ownership nationality and something to do with the rig may be concealed in what you are suggesting.

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 29 January 2019 at 03:39 "'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Craig,

 

We were able to get a quote from Y-Yacht because we are BVI flagged and our vessel is corporate owned in the BVI. I also believe they will underwrite a vessel in the USVI with a USVI address. Eric from Kimberlite has a contact who can do the address piece. The change of port is one piece of paper filed with USCG documentation.

 

I also have a really good independent broker who writes policies for Novamar USA, an “A” rated company with a lot of recommendations from members of the OCC. The price is the same as going to Novamar directly. However, he has a direct line to the underwriters and can help work around some issues such as survey or age of rigger etc. I am reluctant to post his contact info publically. Let me know if you’d like it.

 

Hope this helps.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 10:15 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance

 

 

I just heard back from Y Yacht Insurance - they cannot cover US yachts at this time, but are making enquires and hope to be able to do so next year.

 

Craig Briggs SN68



---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

PS:  MS and AD Insurance Group Holdings is a Japanese company which you can google for more info.



---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

All,

Suggest you read further, if interested, at yyachtinsurance dot com, which states Barry Sullivan, who happens to own a Maramu, started Pantaenius UK, did business as Shearlangstone, Ltd. , became Y Yacht Insurance in 2011. Now set up Y Yacht Assurances France for post-Brexit operation. The actual insurance and underwriting is through MS Amlin, part of MS and AD (haven't researched them) and Y Yacht Insurance is a trading name of Y at-sign Limited, an English company.

 

FWIW,

Craig Briggs, SN68 - I did ask for a quote and will let you know what I hear. 

 



---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Hi all,

My info is that Barrie Sullivan of Y used to be the GM of Pantaenius UK but "retired" and started Y

 

Greg Shea

Sharki 133 Cap des Iles

Preveza

 


 

 


 


 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Any Amel owners who have sailed to Chile from Panama?

James Cromie
 

Thank you all for your responses to my inquiry.  Judy - I will be in touch!
James

On Jan 28, 2019 8:10 AM, "Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi James,

We sailed from Panama to Chile in 2002/3 and then spent two seasons in Chile, mainly in and around the Beagle Channel.  Can't say enough about it. The best sailing experiences in 40 years of sailing and a Supermaramu is the perfect boat for those conditions.

The standard passage is to leave Panama and head  southwest in a wide arc and come back east around about Chiloe. However, friends of ours encouraged us to take the coastal route, against the prevailing wind and Humboldt current. Neither is a problem until you get to about 40s and even then you just pick your weather. We made about 90 miles good each day and were the only yacht to make the whole passage that year. Panama to Salinas in Ecuador we largely made under engine. It's doldrums country, flat calm for 6 days. We put Pen Azen ashore in Ecuador for 5 months while we backpacked around the country. Then to Peru where we anchored off Callao for a month and then we coast hopped . Very few ports, but every now and then you come across a little north facing bay where the Clube de Yates ( whose members  generally only have little motor boats) will give you a wonderful welcome.

 I could write reams about our experiences. Easier to chat if you have lots of questions. Email me on penazen@... if you would like to do so and we can fix a time. We are in London so GMT at the moment.

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Greece

From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...> on behalf of jamescromie@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: 27 January 2019 19:25
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Any Amel owners who have sailed to Chile from Panama?
 


Hello everyone - 

I'm interested to know if there are any Amel owners who have sailed to Southern Chile from Panama along the Pacific coast of South America.  If so, I'd love to hear about your experience.   


Many thanks!

-James

Soteria

#347





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance

Mark Erdos
 

Danny,

 

I am not suggesting any funny business. i.e. When Bill Rouse owned BeBe he was able to get an underwriter in the EU because the vessel was registered in the USVI. The same insurance company said they could not write in the USA. We have addresses in the USA, UK and Panama. We do not live at any of them. Ownership nationality has little to do with the policy. We are always very clear to explain in writing to the insurance company we reside on the vessel and the address given is for mailing purposes only. We have had one insurance company accept the marina as our address without issue. This is common practice for people residing on boats. And, the insurance company expects for the vessel to move within the limits of the policy.

 

In working with the independent Novamar agent, he was able to get Novamar to wave any requirements for a survey or rig inspection. This is NOT concealing anything. It is called negotiating the policy.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 2:36 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance

 

 

Hi Mark,

all insurance policies I have seen require nothing to be concealed or information withheld on pain of cancellation. I may have the wrong end of the stick but it seems ownership nationality and something to do with the rig may be concealed in what you are suggesting.

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 29 January 2019 at 03:39 "'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:

 

 

Craig,

 

We were able to get a quote from Y-Yacht because we are BVI flagged and our vessel is corporate owned in the BVI. I also believe they will underwrite a vessel in the USVI with a USVI address. Eric from Kimberlite has a contact who can do the address piece. The change of port is one piece of paper filed with USCG documentation.

 

I also have a really good independent broker who writes policies for Novamar USA, an “A” rated company with a lot of recommendations from members of the OCC. The price is the same as going to Novamar directly. However, he has a direct line to the underwriters and can help work around some issues such as survey or age of rigger etc. I am reluctant to post his contact info publically. Let me know if you’d like it.

 

Hope this helps.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 10:15 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance

 

 

I just heard back from Y Yacht Insurance - they cannot cover US yachts at this time, but are making enquires and hope to be able to do so next year.

 

Craig Briggs SN68



---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

PS:  MS and AD Insurance Group Holdings is a Japanese company which you can google for more info.



---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

All,

Suggest you read further, if interested, at yyachtinsurance dot com, which states Barry Sullivan, who happens to own a Maramu, started Pantaenius UK, did business as Shearlangstone, Ltd. , became Y Yacht Insurance in 2011. Now set up Y Yacht Assurances France for post-Brexit operation. The actual insurance and underwriting is through MS Amlin, part of MS and AD (haven't researched them) and Y Yacht Insurance is a trading name of Y at-sign Limited, an English company.

 

FWIW,

Craig Briggs, SN68 - I did ask for a quote and will let you know what I hear. 

 



---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Hi all,

My info is that Barrie Sullivan of Y used to be the GM of Pantaenius UK but "retired" and started Y

 

Greg Shea

Sharki 133 Cap des Iles

Preveza

 


 

 

 

 


 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Mark,

all insurance policies I have seen require nothing to be concealed or information withheld on pain of cancellation. I may have the wrong end of the stick but it seems ownership nationality and something to do with the rig may be concealed in what you are suggesting.

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 29 January 2019 at 03:39 "'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Craig,

 

We were able to get a quote from Y-Yacht because we are BVI flagged and our vessel is corporate owned in the BVI. I also believe they will underwrite a vessel in the USVI with a USVI address. Eric from Kimberlite has a contact who can do the address piece. The change of port is one piece of paper filed with USCG documentation.

 

I also have a really good independent broker who writes policies for Novamar USA, an “A” rated company with a lot of recommendations from members of the OCC. The price is the same as going to Novamar directly. However, he has a direct line to the underwriters and can help work around some issues such as survey or age of rigger etc. I am reluctant to post his contact info publically. Let me know if you’d like it.

 

Hope this helps.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 10:15 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance

 

 

I just heard back from Y Yacht Insurance - they cannot cover US yachts at this time, but are making enquires and hope to be able to do so next year.

 

Craig Briggs SN68



---In amelyachtowners@..., <sangaris@...> wrote :

PS:  MS and AD Insurance Group Holdings is a Japanese company which you can google for more info.



---In amelyachtowners@..., <sangaris@...> wrote :

All,

Suggest you read further, if interested, at yyachtinsurance dot com, which states Barry Sullivan, who happens to own a Maramu, started Pantaenius UK, did business as Shearlangstone, Ltd. , became Y Yacht Insurance in 2011. Now set up Y Yacht Assurances France for post-Brexit operation. The actual insurance and underwriting is through MS Amlin, part of MS and AD (haven't researched them) and Y Yacht Insurance is a trading name of Y at-sign Limited, an English company.

 

FWIW,

Craig Briggs, SN68 - I did ask for a quote and will let you know what I hear. 

 



---In amelyachtowners@..., <gmshea@...> wrote :

Hi all,

My info is that Barrie Sullivan of Y used to be the GM of Pantaenius UK but "retired" and started Y

 

Greg Shea

Sharki 133 Cap des Iles

Preveza

 


 

 


 


 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Any Amel owners who have sailed to Chile from Panama?

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Ian and Judy,

I would love to read about all your experiences. Do you have some blogs you can share directly with me, guess we shouldn't load the forum. Or write a book.(seriously)  Its an area I have never thought of as a cruisers option and I am fascinated.

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 29 January 2019 at 02:10 "Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi James,

We sailed from Panama to Chile in 2002/3 and then spent two seasons in Chile, mainly in and around the Beagle Channel.  Can't say enough about it. The best sailing experiences in 40 years of sailing and a Supermaramu is the perfect boat for those conditions.

The standard passage is to leave Panama and head  southwest in a wide arc and come back east around about Chiloe. However, friends of ours encouraged us to take the coastal route, against the prevailing wind and Humboldt current. Neither is a problem until you get to about 40s and even then you just pick your weather. We made about 90 miles good each day and were the only yacht to make the whole passage that year. Panama to Salinas in Ecuador we largely made under engine. It's doldrums country, flat calm for 6 days. We put Pen Azen ashore in Ecuador for 5 months while we backpacked around the country. Then to Peru where we anchored off Callao for a month and then we coast hopped . Very few ports, but every now and then you come across a little north facing bay where the Clube de Yates ( whose members  generally only have little motor boats) will give you a wonderful welcome.

 I could write reams about our experiences. Easier to chat if you have lots of questions. Email me on penazen@... if you would like to do so and we can fix a time. We are in London so GMT at the moment.

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Greece
 

From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...> on behalf of jamescromie@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: 27 January 2019 19:25
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Any Amel owners who have sailed to Chile from Panama?
 


Hello everyone - 

I'm interested to know if there are any Amel owners who have sailed to Southern Chile from Panama along the Pacific coast of South America.  If so, I'd love to hear about your experience.   


Many thanks!

-James

Soteria

#347



 

 


 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance

Craig Briggs
 

Thanks, Mark, much appreciated. My Pantaenius comes up in April and is only $2200 for east coast US and Bahamas, so we'll likely renew if it doesn't change much. Next year perhaps I'll change, so would appreciate the contact. My email is sangaris at aol dot com.
Craig


---In amelyachtowners@..., <mcerdos@...> wrote :

Craig,

 

We were able to get a quote from Y-Yacht because we are BVI flagged and our vessel is corporate owned in the BVI. I also believe they will underwrite a vessel in the USVI with a USVI address. Eric from Kimberlite has a contact who can do the address piece. The change of port is one piece of paper filed with USCG documentation.

 

I also have a really good independent broker who writes policies for Novamar USA, an “A” rated company with a lot of recommendations from members of the OCC. The price is the same as going to Novamar directly. However, he has a direct line to the underwriters and can help work around some issues such as survey or age of rigger etc. I am reluctant to post his contact info publically. Let me know if you’d like it.

 

Hope this helps.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 10:15 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance

 

 

I just heard back from Y Yacht Insurance - they cannot cover US yachts at this time, but are making enquires and hope to be able to do so next year.

 

Craig Briggs SN68



---In amelyachtowners@..., <sangaris@...> wrote :

PS:  MS and AD Insurance Group Holdings is a Japanese company which you can google for more info.



---In amelyachtowners@..., <sangaris@...> wrote :

All,

Suggest you read further, if interested, at yyachtinsurance dot com, which states Barry Sullivan, who happens to own a Maramu, started Pantaenius UK, did business as Shearlangstone, Ltd. , became Y Yacht Insurance in 2011. Now set up Y Yacht Assurances France for post-Brexit operation. The actual insurance and underwriting is through MS Amlin, part of MS and AD (haven't researched them) and Y Yacht Insurance is a trading name of Y at-sign Limited, an English company.

 

FWIW,

Craig Briggs, SN68 - I did ask for a quote and will let you know what I hear. 

 



---In amelyachtowners@..., <gmshea@...> wrote :

Hi all,

My info is that Barrie Sullivan of Y used to be the GM of Pantaenius UK but "retired" and started Y

 

Greg Shea

Sharki 133 Cap des Iles

Preveza

 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: First Ever Amel Eastern Caribbean Rally 2019

Brent Cameron
 

Hi Bill, much to my surprise, I was able to get somewhere with just my iPad. I’ve created a form to allow people to indicate their preferences and allow you to track and rank them. I can blow away any/all of the responses so go ahead and play with it and give me any suggestions. I will also make you a collaborator but for the moment it probably will be easier if you tell me what to add/modify or delete. I wasn’t sure if you wanted to track guests and if so at each location (might help with getting discounts or reservations) so I’ve left that out for now but could easily add that. Here is the form:

You can also see the responses either summarized or by individual here:

It probably makes sense to throw a few test responses in there to give you an idea of how helpful each question is to allow you to plan the agenda. When you’re done playing with it and I’ve made all the changes, I’ll blow away all of our test responses and then we can publish the survey and the responses on your webpage.  I will look to see if there is some way I can hide the email addresses but I think it’s safe enough hidden away three layers deep on your school site. 

Finally, these responses are also stored on a separate google spreadsheet so that you can manipulate the data (eg take the email addresses and send updates outside the forum). 

Let me know what you think. 

Brent

6S+

On Jan 27, 2019, at 1:56 PM, James Cromie jamescromie@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill - I may have missed a prior email regarding the proposed rally dates, or are the dated TBD?
Thanks and we hope to part of this. 

James
Soteria
#347
Little harbor, long island....all to ourselves. 


On Jan 27, 2019 12:56 PM, "Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Update on coordination efforts:

I have discussed this Rally with Martinique-based potential sponsors asking for some help with the following during the Martinique portion of the Rally:
  1. A dinner at Mango Bay during the above dates for all owners attending the Rally 
  2. A bus tour of Rhum Clément and possibly some other stop. 
  3. Berth Discounts at the Marina du Marin. 
  4. Door prizes or gift certificates from 3 different entities to be given by them during the dinner at Mango Bay. 
The early indications is that we will get all of the above and possibly more. I will keep you posted and will add to the website when confirmed. 

If someone has contacts at any of the other planned island stops, contact me so that we can use you to make a similar arrangement at other stops.
Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel School  
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 12:39 PM Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
I created a webpage for the First Ever Amel Eastern Caribbean Rally 2019. The webpage is a hidden webpage on the Amel School website. In other words, if you are on the Amel School website, you cannot find it. I put it on the Amel School website because that is the only place I own that I could create a page. If someone else wants to volunteer setting up and maintaining a webpage, it is fine with me.

To do this, I had to assume and guess almost everything. Most of what is on the page should NOT be my decision, but I made the page to get some conversation going with suggestions. 

Best,

Bill Rouse
Amel School 
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance

Mark Erdos
 

Craig,

 

We were able to get a quote from Y-Yacht because we are BVI flagged and our vessel is corporate owned in the BVI. I also believe they will underwrite a vessel in the USVI with a USVI address. Eric from Kimberlite has a contact who can do the address piece. The change of port is one piece of paper filed with USCG documentation.

 

I also have a really good independent broker who writes policies for Novamar USA, an “A” rated company with a lot of recommendations from members of the OCC. The price is the same as going to Novamar directly. However, he has a direct line to the underwriters and can help work around some issues such as survey or age of rigger etc. I am reluctant to post his contact info publically. Let me know if you’d like it.

 

Hope this helps.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 10:15 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance

 

 

I just heard back from Y Yacht Insurance - they cannot cover US yachts at this time, but are making enquires and hope to be able to do so next year.

 

Craig Briggs SN68



---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

PS:  MS and AD Insurance Group Holdings is a Japanese company which you can google for more info.



---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

All,

Suggest you read further, if interested, at yyachtinsurance dot com, which states Barry Sullivan, who happens to own a Maramu, started Pantaenius UK, did business as Shearlangstone, Ltd. , became Y Yacht Insurance in 2011. Now set up Y Yacht Assurances France for post-Brexit operation. The actual insurance and underwriting is through MS Amlin, part of MS and AD (haven't researched them) and Y Yacht Insurance is a trading name of Y at-sign Limited, an English company.

 

FWIW,

Craig Briggs, SN68 - I did ask for a quote and will let you know what I hear. 

 



---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Hi all,

My info is that Barrie Sullivan of Y used to be the GM of Pantaenius UK but "retired" and started Y

 

Greg Shea

Sharki 133 Cap des Iles

Preveza

 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance

Craig Briggs
 

I just heard back from Y Yacht Insurance - they cannot cover US yachts at this time, but are making enquires and hope to be able to do so next year.

Craig Briggs SN68


---In amelyachtowners@..., <sangaris@...> wrote :

PS:  MS and AD Insurance Group Holdings is a Japanese company which you can google for more info.


---In amelyachtowners@..., <sangaris@...> wrote :

All,
Suggest you read further, if interested, at yyachtinsurance dot com, which states Barry Sullivan, who happens to own a Maramu, started Pantaenius UK, did business as Shearlangstone, Ltd. , became Y Yacht Insurance in 2011. Now set up Y Yacht Assurances France for post-Brexit operation. The actual insurance and underwriting is through MS Amlin, part of MS and AD (haven't researched them) and Y Yacht Insurance is a trading name of Y at-sign Limited, an English company.

FWIW,
Craig Briggs, SN68 - I did ask for a quote and will let you know what I hear. 



---In amelyachtowners@..., <gmshea@...> wrote :

Hi all,
My info is that Barrie Sullivan of Y used to be the GM of Pantaenius UK but "retired" and started Y

Greg Shea
Sharki 133 Cap des Iles
Preveza





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Any Amel owners who have sailed to Chile from Panama?

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi James,

We sailed from Panama to Chile in 2002/3 and then spent two seasons in Chile, mainly in and around the Beagle Channel.  Can't say enough about it. The best sailing experiences in 40 years of sailing and a Supermaramu is the perfect boat for those conditions.

The standard passage is to leave Panama and head  southwest in a wide arc and come back east around about Chiloe. However, friends of ours encouraged us to take the coastal route, against the prevailing wind and Humboldt current. Neither is a problem until you get to about 40s and even then you just pick your weather. We made about 90 miles good each day and were the only yacht to make the whole passage that year. Panama to Salinas in Ecuador we largely made under engine. It's doldrums country, flat calm for 6 days. We put Pen Azen ashore in Ecuador for 5 months while we backpacked around the country. Then to Peru where we anchored off Callao for a month and then we coast hopped . Very few ports, but every now and then you come across a little north facing bay where the Clube de Yates ( whose members  generally only have little motor boats) will give you a wonderful welcome.

 I could write reams about our experiences. Easier to chat if you have lots of questions. Email me on penazen@... if you would like to do so and we can fix a time. We are in London so GMT at the moment.

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Greece

From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of jamescromie@... [amelyachtowners] Sent: 27 January 2019 19:25
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Any Amel owners who have sailed to Chile from Panama?
 


Hello everyone - 

I'm interested to know if there are any Amel owners who have sailed to Southern Chile from Panama along the Pacific coast of South America.  If so, I'd love to hear about your experience.   


Many thanks!

-James

Soteria

#347




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Possible late Spring Amel Caribbean Rally - INSURANCE

Duane Siegfri
 

Mark,

Thanks for the informative reply!

I thought I attached this to the insurance thread, not sure how it got on the Rally thread...

I have not heard of Novamar before, please do send me your contacts information.  I'm not happy about the 10 degree hurricane border from Pantaenius.  Grenada or the ABC's seem to be a better destination for me.

Our rigging is original (14 years old now) so that's going to be an issue, but I'm planning on a replacement this year anyway.

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


Re: 1st UPDATE - First Ever Amel Eastern Caribbean Rally 2019

greatketch@...
 

I am not at all sure how this fits into the calculations. We’d be interested, but…

We have no idea where we will be in that time frame. Right now we are in full cruising mode, which means we don’t really have a plan—past the next weather front.

If we do cross paths with the rally, at that time of year we would certainly be starting to head north, so would not be rallying to the south, just rendezvousing…

I guess that puts us in the “interested, but unreliable” category!

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Highborne Cay, Bahamas


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: The Mechanics of Battery Equalization

eric freedman
 

Hi Bill,

Depending on how the wiring of the charger is done. It is probably quite simple to put a couple of diodes in the wires going to the batteries to eliminate this problem.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 4:59 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: The Mechanics of Battery Equalization

 

 

Mark,

 

Be careful. The battery chargers that charge 2 different voltage banks share the same negative between the two. This will result in the negative of the starting battery being connected to the negative of the house bank.

 

I think you better check with someone you trust that has knowledge of Amels and DC Voltage before you go in this direction.

 

Best,

 

Bill Rouse
Amel School  
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

 

 

On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 3:28 PM brass.ring@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

We have a ChargeMaster 24/30-3 & a ChargeMaster 24/100-3.  The 30 amp charger is the newer of the two.  Mastervolt was introducing a 40 amp version that would charge both the 24 & 12 volt batteries (engine starting and house) but it was not yet available when we had to replace the Xantrex that died and toasted our 12 house batteries.

 

Mark Mueller

Brass Ring A54


1st UPDATE - First Ever Amel Eastern Caribbean Rally 2019

 

Let me update you on the First Ever Amel Eastern Caribbean Rally 2019 

Dates:
We have corrected some wrong dates on the original proposal and established an alternative calendar that works for more of the participants. It isn't final yet, but I wanted to keep everyone in the loop. I believe the Alternate Calendar on the left below will be the final version.

Islands/Dates Tentative Schedule:

BVI- Virgin Gorda Anchorage at sound entrance channel on the East side April 14-16

St. Maarten (TBD) April 21-23

Martinique Apr 28 - May 4 du Marin with a group anchorage at St Anne on May 4 (the last day)

Bequia Admiralty Bay Anchorage May 19-21

Grenada (TBD) May 26-28

Chaguaramas, Trinidad (Tentative) May 30-?

Note: TBD means we currently do not have an exact location planned on the island

 

Islands/Dates Alternative/Preferred Schedule:

The following has been suggested to include most of the boats interested

BVI- Virgin Gorda Anchorage at sound entrance channel on the East side Mar 31- Apr 2

Martinique Apr 7-12 du Marin with a group anchorage at St Anne on Apr 12 (the last day)

Bequia Admiralty Bay Anchorage Apr 15-17

Grenada (TBD) Apr 21-23

Chaguaramas, Trinidad (Tentative) Apr 25-???

Note: TBD means we currently do not have an exact location planned on the island

 

CLICK HERE to link to the First Ever Amel Eastern Caribbean Rally 2019 webpage with all of the information.

Martinique Vendors:
I am beginning to get pledges from various Martinique vendors which include:
A sponsored dinner
Sponsored Beer/Wine
Door prizes including a haulout in & out with 3 days
I am hoping for: 
Marina/Mooring concessions 
A bus tour of some great places on Martinique.
Other door prizes

It looks like it is going to be fun!

Best,

Bill Rouse
Amel School  
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970