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Re: Toe pulley (headsail)

Peter de Groot
 

Greetings all and best wishes for a Happy 2019,

 

Today I went back to the boat and did a series of tests on the Bernard toe pulley installed on the starboard side and compared it to the Amel stock pulley installed on the port side.  My conclusion is all of our concerns of slippage with  the Bernard pulley are well founded.

 

Details:  I tied the starboard car to a stanchion post with a random line of about 3 ft (1m).  Inserting a winch handle and cranking against the secured car slippage occurred with an estimated 50 lbs (23 kg) of force at the end of the winch handle.  I tightened the car line (3/8” or 10mm fairly old and weathered) and maybe improved the torque required to slip the pulley slightly.  To  test pulling the other way, the force the jib sheet exerts on the car:  I engaged the lock at the toe pulley shaft while the 3ft (1m) line I used to secure the car was quite taught.  I pulled upward at the center of that short line and could not get the toe pulley to slip.

Next I repeated all of that after emptying a bucket of harbor water on the pulley and line.  The wet system failed badly.  I could pull up on the short line and more the car fairly easily.  Torque at the winch handle to slip the pulley was half the effort it was when the system was dry.

Then I went to the port side with the original Amel pulley…..there’s no comparison… no slip as I’m sure you all have experienced.

 

So I’m in the market again for at least one toe pulley.  Do we have any details on where to purchase the stainless pulleys posted by Gary Silver?


Re: Looking for a Super Maramu or 54

rettirc@...
 

We shall be putting our SM224 on the market soon in Australia.

Chris


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Toe pulley (headsail) [1 Attachment]

Mark Erdos
 

I purchased these a couple of years ago from Amel.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2018 8:28 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Toe pulley (headsail) [1 Attachment]

 

 

Greetings all and best wishes for a Happy 2019,

 

Today I went back to the boat and did a series of tests on the Bernard toe pulley installed on the starboard side and compared it to the Amel stock pulley installed on the port side.  My conclusion is all of our concerns of slippage with  the Bernard pulley are well founded.

 

Details:  I tied the starboard car to a stanchion post with a random line of about 3 ft (1m).  Inserting a winch handle and cranking against the secured car slippage occurred with an estimated 50 lbs (23 kg) of force at the end of the winch handle.  I tightened the car line (3/8” or 10mm fairly old and weathered) and maybe improved the torque required to slip the pulley slightly.  To  test pulling the other way, the force the jib sheet exerts on the car:  I engaged the lock at the toe pulley shaft while the 3ft (1m) line I used to secure the car was quite taught.  I pulled upward at the center of that short line and could not get the toe pulley to slip.

Next I repeated all of that after emptying a bucket of harbor water on the pulley and line.  The wet system failed badly.  I could pull up on the short line and more the car fairly easily.  Torque at the winch handle to slip the pulley was half the effort it was when the system was dry.

Then I went to the port side with the original Amel pulley…..there’s no comparison… no slip as I’m sure you all have experienced.

 

So I’m in the market again for at least one toe pulley.  Do we have any details on where to purchase the stainless pulleys posted by Gary Silver?


Re: Outhaul gear box - Outhaul Drive Shaft bottom shoulder bolt

greatketch@...
 

Bill,

The bolt that goes into the bottom of our main boom outhaul's Leroy-Sommers gearbox is a standard M8 hex bolt, coarse thread: 1.25 pitch.

Thread length 20mm, no shoulder--fully threaded.  Backed by a 32mm OD fender washer and standard lock washer.

I have no idea if it is original or not, but it fits and works.

Judging by where the threads engage, it looks like the shortest standard shoulder bolt (8mm shoulder length) would be a bit too long for the washer--as installed on Harmonie.

Hope that helps!

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, FL, USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Toe pulley (headsail)

jlm@jlmertz.fr
 

Hello,

At this time with 20/25nds wind test, it's workrs perfectly ....

Note : my rope is particularly tight to avoid slipping. After trying I do not think this is a critical point

Bon vents

Jean Luc on CottonBay



Le 29/12/2018 à 23:58, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] a écrit :
 

Thanks Mike,


Jean-Luc Mertz was the original prototype tester.

Maybe you have some advice Jean-Luc?

Cheers

Alan
Elyse SM437

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Toe pulley (headsail)

jlm@jlmertz.fr
 

I have a prototype of Bernard thoe pulley and the first test under sail by 20/25 nds wind are perfect ...

Jean Luc on CottonBay


Le 28/12/2018 à 05:41, amelliahona a écrit :
 

I don't want to step on any toes here, but I can't imagine how the pictured pulley could work.  The ribs in the Amel pulley are meant to grip the jib-car positioning line so that it doesn't slide in the pulley. Just like an Anderson winch.   You are depending on the "grip" of the rope to prevent the jib car from moving under load from the jib sheet.  Just my opinion.  


Isn't Amel going to provide these any more?  I purchased a set a couple of years ago from them.   It also seemed that somewhere back in time on this forum someone posted about having manufactured properly ribbed pulleys from stainless steel. 

Sincerely, 

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona 
Amel SM 2000 # 335
One the hard at Puerto Del Rey, Puerto Rico

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Outhaul gear box - Outhaul Drive Shaft bottom shoulder bolt

 

Greetings,

An Amel School client, SM owner, and member of this Group needs the exact specifications of the shoulder bolt on the bottom of the outhaul gearbox driveshaft. He also needs to re-tap the threads in the driveshaft that this bolt screws into. The driveshaft is pictured below.


A photo of the shoulder bolt would be perfect with the size of the metric bolt and the length of the shoulder.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


Ian and Judy Here is the vetus switch Windlass switch

eric freedman
 

I believe the part number from Vetus is  AFSTPB. 

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2018 12:09 PM
To: Ian Jenkins; amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Ian and Judy Here is the vetus switch Windlass switch

 

 

 

It is available here in the USA most likely in Europe also—it is not in the catalog 

This is the switch that Amel used on my windlass- it is from Vetus and not in the catalog.

I hope the photo comes through..

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

Regards,

 

 

David Barrett

Technical Support/Customer Service

 

 

From: sailormon [mailto:kimberlite@...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 2:02 PM
To: David Barrett
Subject: RE: Engine mount

 

Hi David,

I purchased a few large push button switches from Vetus a few years ago.

They were about ¾ of an inch in diameter and had a black rubber cap.

Are they in the catalog?

Thanks

Eric

rinting this e-mail.


Ian and Judy Here is the vetus switch Windlass switch

eric freedman
 

 

It is available here in the USA most likely in Europe also—it is not in the catalog 

This is the switch that Amel used on my windlass- it is from Vetus and not in the catalog.

I hope the photo comes through..

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

Regards,

 

 

David Barrett

Technical Support/Customer Service

 

 

From: sailormon [mailto:kimberlite@...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 2:02 PM
To: David Barrett
Subject: RE: Engine mount

 

Hi David,

I purchased a few large push button switches from Vetus a few years ago.

They were about ¾ of an inch in diameter and had a black rubber cap.

Are they in the catalog?

Thanks

Eric

rinting this e-mail.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rubber caps for Lofrans

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Thanks, James,  I will have a  look.  Ian


From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of James Cromie jamescromie@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 30 December 2018 14:09
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rubber caps for Lofrans
 


Ian - It may be hard to find simply the rubber caps that fit perfectly.  In fact, once the rubber caps are removed from the switch, it can sometimes be hard to get them to seal perfectly again (in my own experience).  

I have replaced my switches with the following and they are an exact fit and have included waterproof caps.  They are expensive, and I’m sure there are knockoffs, but these fit perfectly.  I saw some in Caraibe Marine in Martinique and they looked about the same and were less expensive.  


James
SV Soteria
SM2000  #347

On Dec 30, 018, at 8:20 AM, Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hi Gerhard,

 That's a very kind offer, but what I am looking for is merely the rubber caps rather than the switches themselves. My switches have worked for over 18 years without missing a beat, but I have to replace the rubber caps. I will try the manufacturers.

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Kiladha, Greece

From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...> on behalf of carcodespam@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: 29 December 2018 10:40
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Rubber caps for Lofrans
 


Hi Ian + Judy,

I come the 17. Februrary to Kalamata, Greece and can bring you one or two of these:

Gerhard
Sharki #60, actually Kalamata, Greece







Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Diameter of forestay

eric freedman
 

Ahmet,

If your Super Maramu is like mine you will also need a special turnbuckle available from Amel or Acmo.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2018 6:06 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Diameter of forestay

 

 

Hi Guys,
Happy New year to all.
I am planning to change my (super maramu 1999) Forestay. I couldn’t be sure about diameter of forestay due to it is inside the jib furling tube. According to my research, both 10mm or 12 mm could be used. Before giving any part order, I would like to take your advices .

Thanks for your all valuable feedbacks,

Ahmet


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rubber caps for Lofrans

James Cromie
 

Ian - It may be hard to find simply the rubber caps that fit perfectly.  In fact, once the rubber caps are removed from the switch, it can sometimes be hard to get them to seal perfectly again (in my own experience).  

I have replaced my switches with the following and they are an exact fit and have included waterproof caps.  They are expensive, and I’m sure there are knockoffs, but these fit perfectly.  I saw some in Caraibe Marine in Martinique and they looked about the same and were less expensive.  


James
SV Soteria
SM2000  #347

On Dec 30, 018, at 8:20 AM, Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hi Gerhard,

 That's a very kind offer, but what I am looking for is merely the rubber caps rather than the switches themselves. My switches have worked for over 18 years without missing a beat, but I have to replace the rubber caps. I will try the manufacturers.

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Kiladha, Greece

From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...> on behalf of carcodespam@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: 29 December 2018 10:40
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Rubber caps for Lofrans
 


Hi Ian + Judy,

I come the 17. Februrary to Kalamata, Greece and can bring you one or two of these:

Gerhard
Sharki #60, actually Kalamata, Greece





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Rubber caps for Lofrans

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Gerhard,

 That's a very kind offer, but what I am looking for is merely the rubber caps rather than the switches themselves. My switches have worked for over 18 years without missing a beat, but I have to replace the rubber caps. I will try the manufacturers.

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Kiladha, Greece


From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of carcodespam@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: 29 December 2018 10:40
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Rubber caps for Lofrans
 


Hi Ian + Judy,

I come the 17. Februrary to Kalamata, Greece and can bring you one or two of these:

Gerhard
Sharki #60, actually Kalamata, Greece



Replace Fridge/Freezer 1 compressor on A54

Arno Luijten
 

For those interested:

I had to replace the compressor on the fridge/freezer cabinet in the galley. Reason was the heat exchanger was corroded through so the cooling gas would escape into the sea water system.
My belief is that this was accelerated by lack of usage keeping the same seawater in the pipes for very long times.

To remove the compressor you will need to cut though some wood just below the access hatch for the compressor. When done with care you will need to do very little afterwards to restore it. The trick is to use the seam of the floor panels on the left side of the hatch to cut just through the dark wood. Make sure you do not cut into the underlying plywood. On the left side there is a screw you can undo. There may also be a screw on the inside of the cavity that you need to undo. Use a very short Phillips screwdriver.
Once this is done you can lift the dark piece of wood to increase the opening of the cavity.
To replace you just need to drill an addtional hole similar to the one already in the dark wood but then on the right side to attach it to the underlying plywood. It will look perfectly like stock Amel.

I ordered the new compressor (Model FM W50F) from  www.penguinfrigo.co.uk. Fast service. It's almost exactly the same as the one that came out. I did not use the relay that was provided as I'm using the pump-interface. I also set the compressor to 3000 RPM as I'm using the box as fridge so I estimate I don't need to go full pull on the compressor.

Connecting it to the existing evaporator is an exercise in agility but doable. Be very careful bending the pipes into position don't make sharp turns in the piping. Make sure you insulate the pipes after you have connected and tested the system.

Let me know If you need more information.

Arno
Luna,
A54-121




Re: Rubber caps for Lofrans

carcodespam@...
 

Hi Dave,
the original foot switches are mounted on deck, same as at my Sharki #60, see picture FootSwitch5.jpg.
You can buy such switches e.g. here: https://www.svb.de/de/lofrans-fussschalter-taster.html
They are available in black or red. See pics.
Later on Amel has integrated the switches into the windlass, see pics FootSwitch3.png + FootSwitch4.png.
However the power circuit is always the same, see pic FootSwitch6.png for all Lofrans windlasses.
As far as I know all people with buildin switches to the windlass uses these types as spare parts:

Gerhard
Sharki #60


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: How to remove the Mainsail furling motor on a 54?

Porter McRoberts
 

Ok. I’ll have a re-look with that in mind Bill. 
Quite appreciated.

Porter


On Dec 29, 2018, at 10:33 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Porter,


I haven't done this on a 54, but looking at the photos, I would bet if you remove the manual furling gearbox you can remove the electric one by lifting it up and out.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, FL, USA


Diameter of forestay

ahmet kipcak
 

Hi Guys,
Happy New year to all.
I am planning to change my (super maramu 1999) Forestay. I couldn’t be sure about diameter of forestay due to it is inside the jib furling tube. According to my research, both 10mm or 12 mm could be used. Before giving any part order, I would like to take your advices .

Thanks for your all valuable feedbacks,

Ahmet


Re: Rubber caps for Lofrans

Alan Leslie
 

Some have deck mounted switches, others are on the actual windlass....
Deck mounted switches are easy to find...as are the windlass mounted switches, but it becomes an issue if you have had to replace the motor, as the new motors are bigger than the old ones....you don;t need to ask me how I know this....it's also an issue to get the rear housing on....the windlass needs lifting up.
I ordered new switches from Amel and recv'd advice that I needed new plastic surrounds....well I didn't need them and I have quite a few of those now. I have since discovered that the switches I have on my Lofrans windlass are quite common...and not necessarily marine.   
Just go on Google and you can find them...and the boots....

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Rubber caps for Lofrans

earoygqnobuqyxflnnlje6pvepcircllumuqqvak@...
 

Hi Ian, 

 Interesting that they specified this modification, nice not having to perforate the deck any more than necessary I suppose.    Fortunately we only need the rubber caps and rings, but it won't be long before we need new switches too if we run with them leaking for long.  I have found some more detailed info by going back through threads on this topic that may prove helpful.  Good luck with the switches.  

Thanks,  Dave

sv Liesse, SN 006


Re: Rubber caps for Lofrans

Ian Park
 

Dave
The windlass was modified by Amel to incorporate the switches. The difficulty I have is finding the switches with the correct dimensions. I have found them on eBay, almost the right size but not the quality of the originals. The main issue is the depth of the switch as there is little clearance room between the outer casing and the body of the electric motor.
Ian
Ocean Hobo SN96