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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Yahoo Group Amel Register

Brent Cameron
 


Re: M801E HF/SSB Radio power Supply

Dean Gillies
 

Hi Nick,
That’s great information. I’ve always hated trying to get that smoke back inside the box!

There are some isolated DCDC converters available which would produce 30A each, so like your system, two would be needed. I don’t much care for the faililure mode you describe. As you say it’s the high voltage that would have blown up the caps (probably electrolytic or tants), and probably some IC’s would not take kindly to overvoltsge, so the fuse would do nothing.
If the same thing happened with a 24V bank being connected via failed DCDC Convertor, to a 12V battery, the first thing that would happen is high current flow, and the fuse would do its job.
The other thing I don’t like about running two DCDC converters go directly power the Icom is the possibility for conducted emission harmonics to interfere with the RF signal. The converters will run switching in the hundreds of kHz, so it doesn’t take many harmonics to start interfering with the MF band.

Your story has lent weight to the the 12V battery based solution.

I could of course install a dedicated battery, and echo charger, but the engine battery is right there begging to be used. I’d change my engine battery to a deep cycle type, but other than that it’s a simple and elegant solution.

Hmm, where’s the gotcha?

Dean
SY Stella
A54-154


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] M801E HF/SSB Radio power Supply

ngtnewington Newington
 

Hi Dean,
On Amelia we have the M802 SSB installed by Amel. They chose the DC converter route: there are two Mastervolt 20A converters in parallel. 
These are located under the chart table in the little locker.
There is a breaker to power them up by the chart table porthole.

Is this a good system?

Amel decided it was the way to go. However Mastervolt do not make a 30A version to make your 60A supply. 

Secondly: if the Mastervolt fails and allows 24v direct to the Icom then damage will occur to the radio. An in-line fuse would not blow because only the voltage would be up not the current.


If you use your engine starting battery, and then charge it from the 24v domestic bank with a Mastervolt Magic series 20A it will 
1. be less expensive
2. Be safer for the radio from a power supply basis as even if the Mastervolt failed, and allowed 24v direct to the battery, that would protect the radio. Although there would be potential for damage from applying 24v to 12v battery.

 Why am I worried about Mastervolt DC converter failure? 
Because it happened to me. When I bought the boat. The surveyor powered up the SSB at the breaker. Smoke poured out or the Icom box! I checked everything and one of the converters failed and sent 25v to the radio. Burnt various capacitors etc within the radio. I had it fixed and bought a new DC to DC converter. However I have asked myself whether this is really a good system ever since. I am now paranoid.
So if I am not using the SSB much I disconnect the power supply from the radio then power up and check the voltage is 13.5v before plugging it back in.

So not sure I am helping much. 
Other considerations;
galvanic isolation
Radio interference

Nick Amelia (#019 Aml 54)


On 17 Dec 2018, at 04:39, trifin@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi,
I am planning a new installation involving an Icom M801E HF Radio (which I already have). The unit needs to be powered from 12V and the specifications call for up to 60A. (This is double the power consumption of the M802 radio used by many North American cruisers. I have a support ticket lodged with Icom to confirm that there is not a mistake in the specs!).

I wonder if there’s anyone in the forum who has installed the 12V version of the M801, who could share their power supply installation details..

Options would appear to be:

1: High power (60A) DC-DC converter(s) running from the 24V bank. (Isolated type is preferred, which means two units in parallel are required, although I’m not convinced this is absolutely necessary).

2: Tap 12V power from upper or lower half of house bank, connect house bank mid-points and install a battery balancer. A bit ugly really.

3: Install isolated low power (10-20A) DC-DC Converter between house bank and engine battery and power SSB from engine battery. DC-DC Converter replenishes battery in slow time and alternators provide bulk and eq charge. I like this option from a low-noise perspective. Nothing else is connected to this battery, and if conducted emissions are a problem from the DCDC converter, just switch it off. And in the event of an unforeseen/unlikely complete discharge event, there are another 12 batteries available to start the motor/genset.

4: Others?

Many thanks
Dean
SY Stella
A54#154


M801E HF/SSB Radio power Supply

Dean Gillies
 

Hi,
I am planning a new installation involving an Icom M801E HF Radio (which I already have). The unit needs to be powered from 12V and the specifications call for up to 60A. (This is double the power consumption of the M802 radio used by many North American cruisers. I have a support ticket lodged with Icom to confirm that there is not a mistake in the specs!).

I wonder if there’s anyone in the forum who has installed the 12V version of the M801, who could share their power supply installation details.

Options would appear to be:

1: High power (60A) DC-DC converter(s) running from the 24V bank. (Isolated type is preferred, which means two units in parallel are required, although I’m not convinced this is absolutely necessary).

2: Tap 12V power from upper or lower half of house bank, connect house bank mid-points and install a battery balancer. A bit ugly really.

3: Install isolated low power (10-20A) DC-DC Converter between house bank and engine battery and power SSB from engine battery. DC-DC Converter replenishes battery in slow time and alternators provide bulk and eq charge. I like this option from a low-noise perspective. Nothing else is connected to this battery, and if conducted emissions are a problem from the DCDC converter, just switch it off. And in the event of an unforeseen/unlikely complete discharge event, there are another 12 batteries available to start the motor/genset.

4: Others?

Many thanks
Dean
SY Stella
A54#154


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lost Halyard down main mast

greatketch@...
 

And one more refinement to the chain idea... 

 In almost every rigger's tool bag you'll find a foot long piece of bicycle chain.  It is usually easier to thread down the mast because it only bends in one direction.

While running the messenger line, keep all the other lines in the mast tight. That reduces the chances of a wrap of one around the other.

If you can  heel the boat over a bit, the chain runs down the wall of the mast and, if you have lead a good and pure life, just falls out the halyard exit. For some reason that rarely happens to me!  Once you get close to the exit, a strong magnet can help guide the chain to the exit, unless you used good stainless chain...

If you haven't lost a halyard, you just haven't lost one YET.

Bill Kinney
Sm160, Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, FL, USA


Re: Lost Halyard down main mast

Miles
 

Hi  Alan,

 

You might want to try a small chain on the end of a small line down the conduit, with a strong magnet on a stick at the mast exit point.  

 

Good luck.

 

Miles

 

s/y Ladybug, sm 216 Le Marin, Martinique


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Sm fell off cradel

james Hosford
 

Well everyone take care of their girls,  wont be able to retire early but in nine years ill be a serious buyer looking for a well maintained sm 


On Dec 16, 2018, at 7:19 PM, Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Gang,


I viewed Papa II before buying Eleuthera.

I would not touch it with someone else’s pole.

Run … RUN!!

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM 007, Opua NZ

On 17 Dec 2018, at 08:05, Brent Cameron brentcameron61@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Jay, that boat has a substantially more extensive history than is reflected on YW.  It has been radically modified from Henri’s original design. You may want to do a search on this forum for Yashar, Papa II or Lady Davina for more details. I personally wouldn’t buy it at any price.   While I feel very sorry for the current owner (who I believe bought it under similar circumstances),  it’s next name should be Caveat Emptor.   The fact that a surveyor approved it for insurance or loan purposes is not a selling feature in my mind. While it might not sink, I do not believe it is any longer anything like a real Amel.  

Brent Cameron, Future SM2K owner
On Dec 15, 2018, 4:56 PM -0500, Jay Hosford jay.hosford@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>, wrote:

Its on yacht world now for 199.   2001.  I think I've seen it before.   It passed survey after the fact well enough to have a loan grated for it previously..   Maybe if she has bee back to see for a while and passed a few surveys since? 


On Dec 15, 2018, at 3:32 PM, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I've never had a marine experience like that so I can only fall back on my structural engineering background.  There are a LOT of ways that there could be hidden damage that only surfaces after some hard sailing.


All of the bulkheads and the hull to deck joint are joined by fiberglass.  These joints are not exposed to careful inspection and are the place where you could have damage.  If one or more of these bulkhead/deck to hull joints are damaged but not to the point where there is visible movement, the joint is nonetheless damaged and does not have the same strength or resistance to fatigue it originally had.  The keel is joined to the keel stub by keel bolts.  The keel stub and the hull structure it's attached to took a very heavy hit as the 16 tons of boat landed on it.  How careful, complete and thorough were the inspection and repairs?  After some hard sailing or years of sailing the now over-stressed joints or structure can fail, or result in excessive movement or leaks.

Did they remove everything in the vicinity of the impact (all furniture, cabinets, wall coverings, flooring, etc.) to permit a careful inspection and/or reinforcement?  If so perhaps you might feel you're covered if the people doing the work can be trusted or someone you hired was there inspecting.  Keep in mind it's always easier and cheaper to cover up than to expose and repair, especially if you plan to sell the boat.

Is there a good chance all is well, sure...maybe.  Personally I would not take the chance unless the level of risk (as you view it) is seriously reflected in the sales price and you are willing to take on the risk with eyes wide open.  Maybe if you plan on only coastal sailing?

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lost Halyard down main mast

 

Or use a piece of small link chain. 


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Sun, Dec 16, 2018, 18:41 Heinz Stutenbaeumer heinz@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

Hello It happened to me last year. I took a thin rope and tied several small steel nuts to it. Lowered from above. One has to watch the rope at the bottom. This went well after several attempts. Heinz
Quetzal SM 2000, 292

Am 16.12.2018 22:40 schrieb "bazgrayson@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>:
 

Hi All, i have a small problem. I was using the ballooner halyard to hold my new anchor as i was installing it. Unfortunatly my knot on the other end came undone and the halyard ended up on the deck beside me. The only good news was i had another line on the anchor so i didn't lose that as well.

Has anyone tried to rerun that halyard. I have tried feeding a small line with a small weight on it from the top of the mast but i couldn't get it to fall down. I'm not sure if there is a conduit at the top. So before i am reduced to drilling the rivets off the cover that holds the pin for the sheaves and pulling them off, all while at the top of the mast. Are there any other great ideas out there. 

Regards

Alan Grayson

SM 406  Ora Pai

Ft Lauderdale



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Sm fell off cradel

Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air <jgermain@...>
 

Hi Gang,

I viewed Papa II before buying Eleuthera.

I would not touch it with someone else’s pole.

Run … RUN!!

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM 007, Opua NZ

On 17 Dec 2018, at 08:05, Brent Cameron brentcameron61@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Jay, that boat has a substantially more extensive history than is reflected on YW.  It has been radically modified from Henri’s original design. You may want to do a search on this forum for Yashar, Papa II or Lady Davina for more details. I personally wouldn’t buy it at any price.   While I feel very sorry for the current owner (who I believe bought it under similar circumstances),  it’s next name should be Caveat Emptor.   The fact that a surveyor approved it for insurance or loan purposes is not a selling feature in my mind. While it might not sink, I do not believe it is any longer anything like a real Amel.  

Brent Cameron, Future SM2K owner
On Dec 15, 2018, 4:56 PM -0500, Jay Hosford jay.hosford@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>, wrote:

Its on yacht world now for 199.   2001.  I think I've seen it before.   It passed survey after the fact well enough to have a loan grated for it previously.   Maybe if she has bee back to see for a while and passed a few surveys since? 


On Dec 15, 2018, at 3:32 PM, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I've never had a marine experience like that so I can only fall back on my structural engineering background.  There are a LOT of ways that there could be hidden damage that only surfaces after some hard sailing.


All of the bulkheads and the hull to deck joint are joined by fiberglass.  These joints are not exposed to careful inspection and are the place where you could have damage.  If one or more of these bulkhead/deck to hull joints are damaged but not to the point where there is visible movement, the joint is nonetheless damaged and does not have the same strength or resistance to fatigue it originally had.  The keel is joined to the keel stub by keel bolts.  The keel stub and the hull structure it's attached to took a very heavy hit as the 16 tons of boat landed on it.  How careful, complete and thorough were the inspection and repairs?  After some hard sailing or years of sailing the now over-stressed joints or structure can fail, or result in excessive movement or leaks.

Did they remove everything in the vicinity of the impact (all furniture, cabinets, wall coverings, flooring, etc.) to permit a careful inspection and/or reinforcement?  If so perhaps you might feel you're covered if the people doing the work can be trusted or someone you hired was there inspecting.  Keep in mind it's always easier and cheaper to cover up than to expose and repair, especially if you plan to sell the boat.

Is there a good chance all is well, sure...maybe.  Personally I would not take the chance unless the level of risk (as you view it) is seriously reflected in the sales price and you are willing to take on the risk with eyes wide open.  Maybe if you plan on only coastal sailing?

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lost Halyard down main mast

Heinz Stutenbaeumer
 

Hello It happened to me last year. I took a thin rope and tied several small steel nuts to it. Lowered from above. One has to watch the rope at the bottom. This went well after several attempts. Heinz
Quetzal SM 2000, 292

Am 16.12.2018 22:40 schrieb "bazgrayson@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Hi All, i have a small problem. I was using the ballooner halyard to hold my new anchor as i was installing it. Unfortunatly my knot on the other end came undone and the halyard ended up on the deck beside me. The only good news was i had another line on the anchor so i didn't lose that as well.

Has anyone tried to rerun that halyard. I have tried feeding a small line with a small weight on it from the top of the mast but i couldn't get it to fall down. I'm not sure if there is a conduit at the top. So before i am reduced to drilling the rivets off the cover that holds the pin for the sheaves and pulling them off, all while at the top of the mast. Are there any other great ideas out there. 

Regards

Alan Grayson

SM 406  Ora Pai

Ft Lauderdale



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Sm fell off cradel

Laurie McCall
 


Hi Jay,

My husband and I went to see Yashar in MD a few years ago when we were in the area for the Annapolis Sailboat Show. 
My husband described it as a Frankenboat. We understand that after the keel was hit (or maybe it was when the mast(s) had to be replaced), Amel refused to install the new equipment; it was that bad.
As Joel said, we found the fibreglass repairs under the sea berth sloppy. My husband also noticed that the wiring had been changed to 110. We suspect that the watertight bulkheads are no longer watertight. 

In our opinion Yashar is no longer an Amel. There might be some residual value in some of the parts. But that would be the extent of it. 


Laurie & John
Still looking for our SM home. 


Lost Halyard down main mast

Alan Grayson
 

Hi All, i have a small problem. I was using the ballooner halyard to hold my new anchor as i was installing it. Unfortunatly my knot on the other end came undone and the halyard ended up on the deck beside me. The only good news was i had another line on the anchor so i didn't lose that as well.

Has anyone tried to rerun that halyard. I have tried feeding a small line with a small weight on it from the top of the mast but i couldn't get it to fall down. I'm not sure if there is a conduit at the top. So before i am reduced to drilling the rivets off the cover that holds the pin for the sheaves and pulling them off, all while at the top of the mast. Are there any other great ideas out there. 

Regards

Alan Grayson

SM 406  Ora Pai

Ft Lauderdale


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Yahoo Group Amel Register

Alan Leslie
 

Thanks Brent, that is a truly impressive list.
I can only view it online in google docs.
I would suggest we use your list and add extra tabs for the different models.
I'm not familiar with Google docs, and Excel sheet on my desktop is easiest for me.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


New file uploaded to amelyachtowners

amelyachtowners@...
 

Hello,

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Description : How to replace the pulley

You can access this file at the URL:
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To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Toe pulley (headsail)

Alan Leslie
 

Bernard Ancelle in France makes a direct replacement for the Super Maramu genoa toe pulley in PETP which is very chemically resistant (particularly to sea water), does not absorb water, resists UV and has good mechanical properties.

The combination of plastics device and stainless screws would not be subjected to corrosion as the original alloy pulley.

And they are only Eu60 each plus shipping.

I have posted Bernard's instruction manual in the files section.

Cheers

Alan

Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Yahoo Group Amel Register

Brent Cameron
 

Hi Alan. I really hope that I didn’t upset you. It wasn’t my intention to take over this list or supplant the work you have done, as I already know how much considerable effort it took to do that. My point was that I had spent a lot of time worrying about how much of this to release and by publishing it in an easily extracted format, unscrupulous people could use it for mailing lists and the like. It really doesn’t matter to me whether we use your list or mine or someone else’s but the issues remain. I have published a scrubbed version of my list that somewhat mirrors yours. You have information on non Super Maramu boats that I do not have in my list as when I created mine, it was for my personal use only. I also did not track the owner’s email ID’s as I had no use for that and I already have all of the Amel owner’s I have met in my contact book. I offer up my work to the group (and you personally if you would like to take over the management of it). I offered my time on it as I was happy to give something back to this excellent group of dedicated owners who have shared so much in my education on these fine boats.

Brent Cameron, Future SM2K owner


Amel SM or SN Bow Thruster Foot Replacement

 

I remember someone posting about having the foot fabricated. 

I have some questions for you.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yahoo Group Amel Register

Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Alan,

I hauled out after merely 2 weeks in the berth… the veggies were far too prolific!  

Regards,

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera, SM 007, Opua… on the hard.


On 16 Dec 2018, at 18:48, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Thanks JP


I haven't used any services in Opua yet
All I can suggest is :


which you probably received when you arrived.


I won't be back on the boat until end of January. Hope to catch up with you then.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437..G21 Opua




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Sm fell off cradel

Brent Cameron
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Toe pulley (headsail)

Rink De Haan
 

Sure Leo

Please find photos as attachments. 
They are expensive for sure but will last longer than the originals. 
Direct bonding on stainless steel not advisable but gasket and anti corrosive grease will do. 

Of course everyone is free to choose and have his own preferred solution. 

Regards
Rink


Van: amelyachtowners@... namens Leo Hauer leopold.hauer@... [amelyachtowners]
Verzonden: zondag, december 16, 2018 3:08 PM
Aan: amelyachtowners@...
Onderwerp: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Toe pulley (headsail)
 
 

Hi Rink,

Can you upload a foto?

Leo
SM Yinyang #69 Shelterbay

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 16.12.2018 um 04:20 schrieb Rink de Haan rinkdehaan@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Dear all,

The toe pulley is available from Amel again. 
They now make them of aluminium and they cost €213 a piece (actually in two parts).
I received 2 of them a couple of weeks ago.

Best regards,
Rink
Amel SM2K #330

Van:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups..com namenscarcodespam@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
Verzonden: zaterdag, december 15, 2018 8:29 PM
Aan: amelyachtowners@...
Onderwerp: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Toe pulley (headsail)
 
 

Truncated mail address part missed is: kohlhoff-online.de

Gerhard
Sharki #60