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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: March Liquid cooled pump

 

Eric,

I have some more information. Calpeda recently added a model that I think you should consider. It is the Calpeda BCM22/1/A-R and it is 50 / 60Hz. It moves 1,700GPH. It is in stock at Caraibes in Martinique and is priced at 875 € net. They also have the BCM22/A in stock at about the same price.

Caraibes is an Amel School Preferred Vendor. Contact Patrice FOUGEROUSE caraibe-refrigeration.fr>


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 10:29 AM Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
This is where it gets confusing. Also, there have been some mind-bending facts presented, but for what it is worth, I have a conclusion that I am satisfied with.

Some information you need to know:
Veco (Climma) uses Calpeda pumps and brands them with the Climma brand. When they do this, they assign a Climma number. The numbers posted for the Calpeda pump from http://www.penguinfrigo.co.uk/ are actually Climma numbers, not Calpeda. The Calpeda number is BCM20/E for the original AC saltwater pump. That "Climma" pump at Penguin is a Calpeda BCM20/A. Calpeda no longer offers a BCM20/E. I am not sure what the difference is between "A" and "E," but I suspect it is electrical because both of these pumps have the same GPH range around 1200. I know that years ago Calpeda had 2 versions of the BCM20. The one Amel installed had an aluminum capacitor, the other a plastic capacitor. There may have been other differences. I also know that if you were unfortunate to buy one with the plastic capacitor, it would melt with heavy use in the tropics.

I am now convinced that the best pump for the A/C is the Calpeda pump. Someday, March may make an encapsulated magnetic drive pump in the 1,200GPH range. When they do, my preference will change. That said, the March TE 5.5C-MD-AC will do a great job, however, you must keep saltwater away from everything except the inside of the pump housing, and you must treat the painted sheet metal case with CorrosionX. You must also immediately clean any accidentally spilled saltwater from the casing and then treat with CorrosionX. 

Unlike Eric's experience with rust appearing on a similar stored March pump, I did not have that happen for the 4 years I had one stored as a spare in the engine room, but I had coated it with CorrosionX only once when I stored it. 

I hope this helps.
 
Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 6:39 AM 'Luijten A.F.' arno.luijten@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I went through the same process finding an alternative for a leaking Calpedia A/C pump.

My conclusion is that for the requirements of running three A/Cs there is no powerful enough pump available with mag-drive. It may be because it would become very expensive to manufacture or you can’t have magnets strong enough for the space available. I don’t know.

I had had just last month a new Calpedia pump delivered to St. Martin from www.penguinfrigo.co.uk. Pretty happy with their service. 
It’s a slightly different model that can also run 60 Hz instead of only 50 Hz. The M67270J is a 50-60Hz model and will work just as well as the original M67270U pump. The fit-match is exact.

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main Sail Furling Motor Issue

John Clark
 

Chuck,
    I did the same rebuild of both gears.  The manual furler is also the thrust bearing for the mainsail foil.  It rusted to mush and almost seized up.  The bearings are off the shelf wheel bearings....cost less than 20 USD.  The trick to getting the bearings out is heat.  I put the case in the oven heated to about 350F and the big bearing pops right out. 

Seals are the same off the shelf parts ...

I think I posted the part numbers on the forum.  If you cannot find the post I will send you a list.

Regards John

SV Annie,. SM 37
Prickly Bay

On Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 9:11 AM Chuck Lacey clacey9@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

Thanks Duane. I now remember you did a detailed write up on this. I will go back and read. Fortunately my manual furler is working or we would be motoring everywhere. Once fixed I'll keep it well lubed to fight corrosion. 
Chuck 
Joy SM #388
East bound to St.Martin
Windward Gods be kind 

On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 6:41 PM sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Chuck,


Same thing happened to me.  The top bearing in the gearbox was rusted solid, both in the motor gearbox and the manual furler.

There is a list of the bearings used somewhere on the forum.  You can do this overhaul yourself if you have a bearing puller.  The bearings are pretty cheap.

I'm going to start hitting the top bearings in the gearbox with a "wet" bicycle chain oil.  This top bearings does not get enough lubrication from below, but it does have some saltwater penetration.

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: March Liquid cooled pump

 

This is where it gets confusing. Also, there have been some mind-bending facts presented, but for what it is worth, I have a conclusion that I am satisfied with.

Some information you need to know:
Veco (Climma) uses Calpeda pumps and brands them with the Climma brand. When they do this, they assign a Climma number. The numbers posted for the Calpeda pump from http://www.penguinfrigo.co.uk/ are actually Climma numbers, not Calpeda. The Calpeda number is BCM20/E for the original AC saltwater pump. That "Climma" pump at Penguin is a Calpeda BCM20/A. Calpeda no longer offers a BCM20/E. I am not sure what the difference is between "A" and "E," but I suspect it is electrical because both of these pumps have the same GPH range around 1200. I know that years ago Calpeda had 2 versions of the BCM20. The one Amel installed had an aluminum capacitor, the other a plastic capacitor. There may have been other differences. I also know that if you were unfortunate to buy one with the plastic capacitor, it would melt with heavy use in the tropics.

I am now convinced that the best pump for the A/C is the Calpeda pump. Someday, March may make an encapsulated magnetic drive pump in the 1,200GPH range. When they do, my preference will change. That said, the March TE 5.5C-MD-AC will do a great job, however, you must keep saltwater away from everything except the inside of the pump housing, and you must treat the painted sheet metal case with CorrosionX. You must also immediately clean any accidentally spilled saltwater from the casing and then treat with CorrosionX. 

Unlike Eric's experience with rust appearing on a similar stored March pump, I did not have that happen for the 4 years I had one stored as a spare in the engine room, but I had coated it with CorrosionX only once when I stored it. 

I hope this helps.
 
Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 6:39 AM 'Luijten A.F.' arno.luijten@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I went through the same process finding an alternative for a leaking Calpedia A/C pump.

My conclusion is that for the requirements of running three A/Cs there is no powerful enough pump available with mag-drive. It may be because it would become very expensive to manufacture or you can’t have magnets strong enough for the space available. I don’t know.

I had had just last month a new Calpedia pump delivered to St. Martin from www.penguinfrigo.co.uk. Pretty happy with their service. 
It’s a slightly different model that can also run 60 Hz instead of only 50 Hz. The M67270J is a 50-60Hz model and will work just as well as the original M67270U pump. The fit-match is exact.

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main Sail Furling Motor Issue

Duane Siegfri
 

I did a detailed write up on the manual furler overhaul, not the motor gearbox. 

It's pretty simple.  Remove the cover plates, you'll have to pry them off carefully.  Inside you'll find a worm gear that drives a large bronze gear on a shaft that turns the furler.  This bronze gear is known to wear out, so I replaced it while I had it apart (sourced from Amel).  You'll also need the oil seals.  You need the bearing puller to remove the bronze gear, and the top and bottom bearing.  I understand that they were originally filled with oil.  Following advice on the forum I filled them with grease.  Many people installed grease zerts so they could top up the grease.  While I had them off I painted them, many people have them powder coated.

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main Sail Furling Motor Issue

Chuck_Kim_Joy
 

Thanks Duane. I now remember you did a detailed write up on this. I will go back and read. Fortunately my manual furler is working or we would be motoring everywhere. Once fixed I'll keep it well lubed to fight corrosion. 
Chuck 
Joy SM #388
East bound to St.Martin
Windward Gods be kind 

On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 6:41 PM sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Chuck,


Same thing happened to me.  The top bearing in the gearbox was rusted solid, both in the motor gearbox and the manual furler.

There is a list of the bearings used somewhere on the forum.  You can do this overhaul yourself if you have a bearing puller.  The bearings are pretty cheap.

I'm going to start hitting the top bearings in the gearbox with a "wet" bicycle chain oil.  This top bearings does not get enough lubrication from below, but it does have some saltwater penetration.

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


Re: March Liquid cooled pump

Arno Luijten
 

I went through the same process finding an alternative for a leaking Calpedia A/C pump.
My conclusion is that for the requirements of running three A/Cs there is no powerful enough pump available with mag-drive. It may be because it would become very expensive to manufacture or you can’t have magnets strong enough for the space available. I don’t know.

I had had just last month a new Calpedia pump delivered to St. Martin from www.penguinfrigo.co.uk. Pretty happy with their service. 
It’s a slightly different model that can also run 60 Hz instead of only 50 Hz. The M67270J is a 50-60Hz model and will work just as well as the original M67270U pump. The fit-match is exact.

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: Main Sail Furling Motor Issue

Alan Leslie
 

I was referring to the motorised gearbox on the boom. The bearing on the top is particularly prone to corrosion due to salt water.
I agree the manual gearboxes on both the main and the mizzen benefit from regular fresh water flushing.
Cheers
Alan 
Elyse SM437


Re: Main Sail Furling Motor Issue

rossirossix4
 

The detailed and informative posting about the mizzen furling gearbox indicated that it is designed to be flushed with fresh water raher than oil lubrication.  Is this the case for the main furling gears or are they different?

Bob and Suzanne, KAIMI SM 429
São Vicente, Cape Verde Islands


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] March Liquid cooled pump

Barry Connor
 

Hello Bill,
Thank you for your knowledge, this is the exact pump that Dessalator are now providing as the low pressure pump. I was wrong it is not aluminum. 
I must remember that it is best to come to the group first, you can save on time and money. 
Many Thanks 

Barry and Penny
“Lady Penelope II”
Amel 54. #17
Marina di Ragusa,   Sicily 


On Jan 13, 2019, at 18:56, Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Here is the Calpeda from the UK: https://www.colglo.co.uk/product.php?product=CALPB-CM20. If you are in St. Martin, I suspect that you can find the Calpeda, or at least someone to order it.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool..com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 11:51 AM Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
Eric,

March pump flow of the LC-5C-MD Mag Drive Pump is "Max Flow 14.5 GPM." That is 870GPH. The reseller, marinepartssource.com, has exaggerated the output to 1,000GPH. The March spec sheet is here: http://www.marchpump.com/pumps/series-5/lc-5c-md/

Also, I can't find a higher output for this "Series 5" March pump.

Additionally, the AC-5C-MD Magnetic Drive Pump (March Pump recommended by Veco and Coastal Climate Control) is rated by March at 17GPM or 1,020GPH. This may be the reason they recommend this pump.

I believe the output is too low on the AC-5C-MD, and suggest that you keep searching.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 9:08 AM Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
Eric,

Agree, but I wonder why Veco (manufacturer of the Climma AC) doesn't recommend this pump, rather another March pump. Possibly cost, because it is at least 50% more? As far as I am concerned, the March LC-5C-MD is the best pump to use for the AC. The only question I have, is there one that is 1200-1500. The first chance I get, I'll ask Veco why they don't recommend this pump. I'll let you know.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970
My calendar: 
https://theamelschool.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


On Sun, Jan 13, 2019, 12:04 AM 'Kimberlite' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

Here is an example of a March liquid cooled pump

https://www.marinepartssource.com/1000-gph-230v-march-air-conditioning-pump-march-pumps-0150-0004-0600?gclid=EAIaIQobChMImYS954nq3wIVko7ICh0EWw0hEAQYBSABEgI7FvD_BwE#

 

I had the pump in my hands in St Maarten. It is totally encapsulated in  what appears to be some form of epoxy and NOT PAINT  and there is no way for it to rust.

There are 2 copper pipes coming from the pump section to cool the motor. I would however get the next size larger to get maximum water volume.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

I believe this is the wat to go.

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 11:27 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] march pump

 

 

Hi Eric,

 

I was curious and looked at the March info.  I believe the 'AC' designation refers to an open style motor that should not be exposed to the possibility of water getting on the motor.  The 'CP' designator is an open drip proof motor that would tolerate exposure to some drippage (?) from above.  They also have TEFC motors available for some direct exposure to water.  However, I think all these motors except the 'LC' submersible variety are standard carbon steel motor housings with some form of a painted finish that apparently does not tolerate a salt air or humid environment i.e. they all will show surface rust at some time.  Good luck with your preventative maintenance project.

 

Mark Mueller

Brass Ring A54


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Auto Prop Bearings

Alan Leslie
 

Thanks Bill,
The videos are excellent.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Main Sail Furling Motor Issue

Alan Leslie
 

I regularly spray lanolin grease on the top of that bearing where the shaft protrudes, because of the fact that it is so exposed to saltwater. So far no problems with seized rusted bearings.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] March Liquid cooled pump

karkauai
 

Great info, thanks Danny.  I see you buy the stuff by the gallon.  Will add a big jug to my list.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Jan 13, 2019, at 10:06 PM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Kent,

in high challenge areas like low in the engine room, (eg 230v pump for the aircon) monthly. Rest of the engine room, bi monthly (if it gets longer than that I get guilt feelings). Wiring joints, around aircon units, behind instruments 6 monthly. Watch for any areas where wiring corrosion occurs and spray when seen and add to list.I spray all water manifolds. .I have re enlivened instruments by treating connections. 

I spray into electric motors and alternators and starter motors and if you do this be careful not to use a product with added lubricant that could transmit electricity.  I knew one guy who prior to an ocean race did that into the back of his radios. Oh dear!!!!! That's why I am confident of my crc66 (and I have often used 556) but a little uneasy with corrosion x which tends to be a bit more lubricant orientated. I have no scientific justification for this uneasiness. One warning re CRC 556 and marine 66, rubber does not like it, it goes all spongy. I'll tell the story again. Years ago on a previous boat a heat exchanger hose burst and drowned my alternator in salt water. On the basis that fresh water has to be better than salt I liberally soused in in fresh water (in place) I then (while still wet) emptied a can of CRC 556 into it and went home. It never missed a beat thereafter. Hence my confidence in the product, conformed by a further 15 years use.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl


On 14 January 2019 at 14:21 "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Danny and Bill R.
I know you are both big fans of spraying all electrical and metal parts regularly (CRC66 or Corrosion X). How often do you do this?

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
karkauai@...
USA cell: 828-234-6819


 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] March Liquid cooled pump

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Kent,

in high challenge areas like low in the engine room, (eg 230v pump for the aircon) monthly. Rest of the engine room, bi monthly (if it gets longer than that I get guilt feelings). Wiring joints, around aircon units, behind instruments 6 monthly. Watch for any areas where wiring corrosion occurs and spray when seen and add to list.I spray all water manifolds. .I have re enlivened instruments by treating connections. 

I spray into electric motors and alternators and starter motors and if you do this be careful not to use a product with added lubricant that could transmit electricity.  I knew one guy who prior to an ocean race did that into the back of his radios. Oh dear!!!!! That's why I am confident of my crc66 (and I have often used 556) but a little uneasy with corrosion x which tends to be a bit more lubricant orientated. I have no scientific justification for this uneasiness. One warning re CRC 556 and marine 66, rubber does not like it, it goes all spongy. I'll tell the story again. Years ago on a previous boat a heat exchanger hose burst and drowned my alternator in salt water. On the basis that fresh water has to be better than salt I liberally soused in in fresh water (in place) I then (while still wet) emptied a can of CRC 556 into it and went home. It never missed a beat thereafter. Hence my confidence in the product, conformed by a further 15 years use.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl


On 14 January 2019 at 14:21 "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Danny and Bill R.
I know you are both big fans of spraying all electrical and metal parts regularly (CRC66 or Corrosion X). How often do you do this?

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
karkauai@...
USA cell: 828-234-6819


 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] March Liquid cooled pump

karkauai
 

Hi Danny and Bill R.
I know you are both big fans of spraying all electrical and metal parts regularly (CRC66 or Corrosion X). How often do you do this?

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
karkauai@...
USA cell: 828-234-6819


Re: Main Sail Furling Motor Issue

Duane Siegfri
 

Chuck,

Same thing happened to me.  The top bearing in the gearbox was rusted solid, both in the motor gearbox and the manual furler.

There is a list of the bearings used somewhere on the forum.  You can do this overhaul yourself if you have a bearing puller.  The bearings are pretty cheap.

I'm going to start hitting the top bearings in the gearbox with a "wet" bicycle chain oil.  This top bearings does not get enough lubrication from below, but it does have some saltwater penetration.

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


Re: Auto Prop Bearings

Mark Isaac
 

Thanks Bill and Mark E. (the Mark I was addressing BTW).

Mark Isaac
SM 391, Lulu
Puerto Del Rey, PR



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Auto Prop Bearings

 

One more thing I would like to add to this thread for everyone that I trust is beneficial.

There is another US distributor. I am not sure what is going on with AB Marine and Brunton's, but AB did not share the booth at Anapolis with Brunton's. King Propulsion shared the booth. I know a lot of you have dealt with AB, but I believe that King Propulsion is the Official US Agent & Distributor...at least they say they are at https://kingpropulsion.com/ AND I see no such mention at AB Marine. Also, one of my clients had AB overhaul his AutoProp and one of the bearings was installed reversed, which caused a failure. BTW, King Propulsion diagnosed the problem via a photo I sent him. AB repaired the prop at no charge, but you all know the other costs in exchanging props.

King Propulsion is owned and operated by Dr. Roderick (Rod) Sampson Roderick.Sampson"at"kingpropulsion.com . I know Rod and believe he is an expert. Rod is a qualified Naval Architect, versed in propeller and hull form hydrodynamic testing, and a retired University Professor. Both Brunton's UK and King Propulsion are Amel School Preferred Vendors.


I hope this helps all of you.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 9:52 AM Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Here is a link that might help you:

http://www.nikimat.com/auto_prop_h6.html

Sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Sun, 1/13/19, isaac_02906@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Auto Prop Bearings
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, January 13, 2019, 5:58 AM


 









Hi Mark,
Were you successful in obtaining all
the parts you needed for the rebuild of the H6?  If so, can
you post the source and list of required
parts?
Is the spanner
wrench required for the rebuild?
Thanks,

Mark
IsaacSM 391, LuluPuerto Del Rey, PR






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] March Liquid cooled pump

 

Here is the Calpeda from the UK: https://www.colglo.co.uk/product.php?product=CALPB-CM20. If you are in St. Martin, I suspect that you can find the Calpeda, or at least someone to order it.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 11:51 AM Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
Eric,

March pump flow of the LC-5C-MD Mag Drive Pump is "Max Flow 14.5 GPM." That is 870GPH. The reseller, marinepartssource.com, has exaggerated the output to 1,000GPH. The March spec sheet is here: http://www.marchpump.com/pumps/series-5/lc-5c-md/

Also, I can't find a higher output for this "Series 5" March pump.

Additionally, the AC-5C-MD Magnetic Drive Pump (March Pump recommended by Veco and Coastal Climate Control) is rated by March at 17GPM or 1,020GPH. This may be the reason they recommend this pump.

I believe the output is too low on the AC-5C-MD, and suggest that you keep searching.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 9:08 AM Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
Eric,

Agree, but I wonder why Veco (manufacturer of the Climma AC) doesn't recommend this pump, rather another March pump. Possibly cost, because it is at least 50% more? As far as I am concerned, the March LC-5C-MD is the best pump to use for the AC. The only question I have, is there one that is 1200-1500. The first chance I get, I'll ask Veco why they don't recommend this pump. I'll let you know.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970
My calendar: 
https://theamelschool.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


On Sun, Jan 13, 2019, 12:04 AM 'Kimberlite' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

Here is an example of a March liquid cooled pump

https://www.marinepartssource.com/1000-gph-230v-march-air-conditioning-pump-march-pumps-0150-0004-0600?gclid=EAIaIQobChMImYS954nq3wIVko7ICh0EWw0hEAQYBSABEgI7FvD_BwE#

 

I had the pump in my hands in St Maarten. It is totally encapsulated in  what appears to be some form of epoxy and NOT PAINT  and there is no way for it to rust.

There are 2 copper pipes coming from the pump section to cool the motor. I would however get the next size larger to get maximum water volume.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

I believe this is the wat to go.

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 11:27 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] march pump

 

 

Hi Eric,

 

I was curious and looked at the March info.  I believe the 'AC' designation refers to an open style motor that should not be exposed to the possibility of water getting on the motor.  The 'CP' designator is an open drip proof motor that would tolerate exposure to some drippage (?) from above.  They also have TEFC motors available for some direct exposure to water.  However, I think all these motors except the 'LC' submersible variety are standard carbon steel motor housings with some form of a painted finish that apparently does not tolerate a salt air or humid environment i.e. they all will show surface rust at some time.  Good luck with your preventative maintenance project.

 

Mark Mueller

Brass Ring A54


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] March Liquid cooled pump

 

Eric,

March pump flow of the LC-5C-MD Mag Drive Pump is "Max Flow 14.5 GPM." That is 870GPH. The reseller, marinepartssource.com, has exaggerated the output to 1,000GPH. The March spec sheet is here: http://www.marchpump.com/pumps/series-5/lc-5c-md/

Also, I can't find a higher output for this "Series 5" March pump.

Additionally, the AC-5C-MD Magnetic Drive Pump (March Pump recommended by Veco and Coastal Climate Control) is rated by March at 17GPM or 1,020GPH. This may be the reason they recommend this pump.

I believe the output is too low on the AC-5C-MD, and suggest that you keep searching.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 9:08 AM Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
Eric,

Agree, but I wonder why Veco (manufacturer of the Climma AC) doesn't recommend this pump, rather another March pump. Possibly cost, because it is at least 50% more? As far as I am concerned, the March LC-5C-MD is the best pump to use for the AC. The only question I have, is there one that is 1200-1500. The first chance I get, I'll ask Veco why they don't recommend this pump. I'll let you know.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
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On Sun, Jan 13, 2019, 12:04 AM 'Kimberlite' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

Here is an example of a March liquid cooled pump

https://www.marinepartssource.com/1000-gph-230v-march-air-conditioning-pump-march-pumps-0150-0004-0600?gclid=EAIaIQobChMImYS954nq3wIVko7ICh0EWw0hEAQYBSABEgI7FvD_BwE#

 

I had the pump in my hands in St Maarten. It is totally encapsulated in  what appears to be some form of epoxy and NOT PAINT  and there is no way for it to rust.

There are 2 copper pipes coming from the pump section to cool the motor. I would however get the next size larger to get maximum water volume.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

I believe this is the wat to go.

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 11:27 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] march pump

 

 

Hi Eric,

 

I was curious and looked at the March info.  I believe the 'AC' designation refers to an open style motor that should not be exposed to the possibility of water getting on the motor.  The 'CP' designator is an open drip proof motor that would tolerate exposure to some drippage (?) from above.  They also have TEFC motors available for some direct exposure to water.  However, I think all these motors except the 'LC' submersible variety are standard carbon steel motor housings with some form of a painted finish that apparently does not tolerate a salt air or humid environment i.e. they all will show surface rust at some time.  Good luck with your preventative maintenance project.

 

Mark Mueller

Brass Ring A54


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] March Liquid cooled pump

Danny Simms
 

Hi Mark, I haven,t had to replace these pumps but I commend to you regular spraying with a rust inhibitor/ penetrant/water displacer. I use CRC marine 66.  I spray all electric motors, alternators, wiring connections, metal parts in the engine room. Likewise for electrical connections throughout boat. A boat is a harsh salt laden environment.   Done this for 10 years. Very happy with results. I have also used corrosion x which is much more expensive.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl



On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 at 01:55, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Eric,

 

I couldn’t agree more.

 

Based on the very bad advice of Coastal Climate Control in the USA, I installed the March AC5-C-MD as a replacement to the original Calpeda pump. The first pump they sold me was defective and I had a difficult time getting them to replace it. The second pump has worked fine and is working satisfactory after 3 years. It was easy to install as it has basically the same footprint. At first, I was happy with the performance of the pump. However, the outer parts of the pump are starting to rust, especially the capacitor housing. I fully expect the pump to have a life expectancy much shorter than I had hoped. It is certainly not a perfect replacement for Calpeda and doesn’t fair well in the Amel engine room. I fully expect to have to replace the pump again during our ownership of Cream Puff..

 

I have notice on the newer model March AC5-C-MD pumps, the capacitor housing is now encased in what appears to be plastic. Since this is the area rusting the fastest, it is a big improvement on the design of the pump.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2019 2:03 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] March Liquid cooled pump

 

 

Here is an example of a March liquid cooled pump

https://www.marinepartssource.com/1000-gph-230v-march-air-conditioning-pump-march-pumps-0150-0004-0600?gclid=EAIaIQobChMImYS954nq3wIVko7ICh0EWw0hEAQYBSABEgI7FvD_BwE#

 

I had the pump in my hands in St Maarten. It is totally encapsulated in  what appears to be some form of epoxy and NOT PAINT  and there is no way for it to rust.

There are 2 copper pipes coming from the pump section to cool the motor. I would however get the next size larger to get maximum water volume.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

I believe this is the wat to go.

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 11:27 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] march pump

 

 

Hi Eric,

 

I was curious and looked at the March info.  I believe the 'AC' designation refers to an open style motor that should not be exposed to the possibility of water getting on the motor.  The 'CP' designator is an open drip proof motor that would tolerate exposure to some drippage (?) from above.  They also have TEFC motors available for some direct exposure to water.  However, I think all these motors except the 'LC' submersible variety are standard carbon steel motor housings with some form of a painted finish that apparently does not tolerate a salt air or humid environment i.e. they all will show surface rust at some time.  Good luck with your preventative maintenance project.

 

Mark Mueller

Brass Ring A54