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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Push button with black Rubber caps for Amel modified Lofrans

carcodespam@...
 

Gabriele
Thank you, such a feedback is always usefull to others.

Gerhard
Sharki #60


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Push button with black Rubber caps for Amel modified Lofrans

svsunnyside
 

Yesterday I installed Two push buttons bought by ebay Germany and shipped by HERTH+BUSS Germany with the Part#70468080 . They are esactly corresponding 
to what Amel installed on a lot of Lofran with a modified Aluminum Motor Cover.
The same Push Button can be found on the market with different Part# , 
according to different seller.

Regards

S/V Sunny Side
Maramu #219
On a hard in Cartagena de India

On Saturday, 5 January 2019, 04:27:48 GMT-5, carcodespam@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:


 

Alan

I found it at Amazon Germany:
It has a rubber cap but the switch is made in plastic.
This one has a better quality (made in brass) but is more expensive:

BTW they are not switches but push-buttons.
(Push to stop the engine, push and hold to turn the windlass.)

Gerhard
Sharki #60


march pump

eric freedman
 

Hi Bill,

Do you still recommend this pump?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

And, if you want a real deal on a 230 volt March pump, check this out:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/March-pump-AC-5C-MD-230v-1ph-1-8hp-3090rpm-NOS-free-shipping-/251866184098

I have one of these as a spare. I t hink it also might work for the Dessalator 160 liter low pressure pump.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet


Re: VHF issues

Dean Gillies
 

Hi Thomas,
If I recall correctly, there are mating PL259 connectors at the base of the mast for all 4 antennas. You should be able to re-configure these to do the checks of the antennas and their feed cables.

The connectors to the AIS unit and VHF Radio are both PL 259 at the chart table, and within easy swapping distance so it’s easy to switch those to test the full cable runs.

Best regards
Dean
SY Stella
A54-154


Sent from my iPhone X


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main Sail Furling Motor Issue

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main Sail Furling Motor Issue

Chuck_Kim_Joy
 

That makes sense. I will do that at calm anchorage. Thanks for the encouragement. After a few reads it seems like a true Pandoras box. I'll go slow and report back. 
A
Chuck & Kim
At anchor in beautiful Brewers bay, Bvis. 

On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 4:10 PM sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Chuck,


Thanks for clarifying - I was wondering about that. Reduction gear geometry is such that you, indeed, can not turn the output shaft - that's what keeps the sail "locked" when you are partially furled, else it would just blow all the way out. (It's not the electric motor providing the "locking" - that will spin freely in either direction with no power applied.)
 
Since you'll have to remove the motor to take it to a shop anyway, I'd suggest you go ahead and remove it and the reduction gear, checking it out as I described, plus, after you separate the motor, you can try turning the reduction gear manually by the input shaft to make sure it is not the problem. You really can't break anything - it's all pretty robust. (Well, you can over torque the thin motor housing bolts - uh, don't do that :-)

Cheers, Craig Briggs, SN68 Sangaris


---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Thanks Craig. I did verify voltage but did not disassemble the gear box from the motor yet.  Just tried to turn output shaft that extends out the box that engages with the sail foil. I will disassemble some more. Just didn't to want break anything taking apart and make worse 
Chuck 
Joy #388

On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 2:24 PM sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 


Hi Chuck, 
Eric has answered your question but since you've already got the motor removed from the mast you might try putting 24v to the wires from a different source, which could inform as to whether you've got an internal electrical failure (brushes, windings, dirty commutator) or a mechanical one (bearings, loose/cracked magnets). These are pretty easy to disassemble and you might find an easy fix. 

I assume 1.) when you say the solenoids look good that means you verified you do have 24v at the motor wires themselves (not just at the output of the solenoids) after you removed the motor and 2.) that "it does not turn by hand" means it's really frozen, ie., after removing the motor from the reduction gear you put a pliers on the output shaft of the motor and it won't budge at all, That certainly sounds like a mechanical issue such as a corroded bearing or broken magnet, which are simple fixes.

Good luck with it - would be curious for you to post what the actual failure was after you fix it.
Cheers, Craig Briggs SN68 Sangaris

---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

I would try Electec, Budget marine or Island water world..

If you need a machine shop FKG is the place to go. However Electec specializes in electrical things.

 

They are all in in Cole bay.

When do you expect to arrive in St Maarten.

All of these shops are on the Dutch side.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 8:18 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main Sail Furling Motor Issue

 

 

Greetings All and Happy New Year

My mainsail furling motor froze up good. I tested the power supply and solenoids look good. Dropped the motor down and motor does not turn by hand either. I am on my way to St.Martin and would like to get it looked at/serviced there. Does anyone have a current recommendation (post Irma) of machinist/motor shop. I searched the group the best I could.

Thanks in advance

Chuck

Joy SM2K #388


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main Sail Furling Motor Issue

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Chuck,

Thanks for clarifying - I was wondering about that. Reduction gear geometry is such that you, indeed, can not turn the output shaft - that's what keeps the sail "locked" when you are partially furled, else it would just blow all the way out. (It's not the electric motor providing the "locking" - that will spin freely in either direction with no power applied.)
 
Since you'll have to remove the motor to take it to a shop anyway, I'd suggest you go ahead and remove it and the reduction gear, checking it out as I described, plus, after you separate the motor, you can try turning the reduction gear manually by the input shaft to make sure it is not the problem. You really can't break anything - it's all pretty robust. (Well, you can over torque the thin motor housing bolts - uh, don't do that :-)

Cheers, Craig Briggs, SN68 Sangaris


---In amelyachtowners@..., <clacey9@...> wrote :

Thanks Craig. I did verify voltage but did not disassemble the gear box from the motor yet.  Just tried to turn output shaft that extends out the box that engages with the sail foil. I will disassemble some more. Just didn't to want break anything taking apart and make worse 
Chuck 
Joy #388

On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 2:24 PM sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 


Hi Chuck, 
Eric has answered your question but since you've already got the motor removed from the mast you might try putting 24v to the wires from a different source, which could inform as to whether you've got an internal electrical failure (brushes, windings, dirty commutator) or a mechanical one (bearings, loose/cracked magnets). These are pretty easy to disassemble and you might find an easy fix. 

I assume 1.) when you say the solenoids look good that means you verified you do have 24v at the motor wires themselves (not just at the output of the solenoids) after you removed the motor and 2.) that "it does not turn by hand" means it's really frozen, ie., after removing the motor from the reduction gear you put a pliers on the output shaft of the motor and it won't budge at all, That certainly sounds like a mechanical issue such as a corroded bearing or broken magnet, which are simple fixes.

Good luck with it - would be curious for you to post what the actual failure was after you fix it.
Cheers, Craig Briggs SN68 Sangaris

---In amelyachtowners@..., <kimberlite@...> wrote :

I would try Electec, Budget marine or Island water world..

If you need a machine shop FKG is the place to go. However Electec specializes in electrical things.

 

They are all in in Cole bay.

When do you expect to arrive in St Maarten.

All of these shops are on the Dutch side.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 8:18 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main Sail Furling Motor Issue

 

 

Greetings All and Happy New Year

My mainsail furling motor froze up good. I tested the power supply and solenoids look good. Dropped the motor down and motor does not turn by hand either. I am on my way to St.Martin and would like to get it looked at/serviced there. Does anyone have a current recommendation (post Irma) of machinist/motor shop. I searched the group the best I could.

Thanks in advance

Chuck

Joy SM2K #388


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main Sail Furling Motor Issue

Chuck_Kim_Joy
 

Thanks Craig. I did verify voltage but did not disassemble the gear box from the motor yet.  Just tried to turn output shaft that extends out the box that engages with the sail foil. I will disassemble some more. Just didn't to want break anything taking apart and make worse 
Chuck 
Joy #388

On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 2:24 PM sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 


Hi Chuck, 
Eric has answered your question but since you've already got the motor removed from the mast you might try putting 24v to the wires from a different source, which could inform as to whether you've got an internal electrical failure (brushes, windings, dirty commutator) or a mechanical one (bearings, loose/cracked magnets). These are pretty easy to disassemble and you might find an easy fix. 

I assume 1.) when you say the solenoids look good that means you verified you do have 24v at the motor wires themselves (not just at the output of the solenoids) after you removed the motor and 2.) that "it does not turn by hand" means it's really frozen, ie., after removing the motor from the reduction gear you put a pliers on the output shaft of the motor and it won't budge at all, That certainly sounds like a mechanical issue such as a corroded bearing or broken magnet, which are simple fixes.

Good luck with it - would be curious for you to post what the actual failure was after you fix it.
Cheers, Craig Briggs SN68 Sangaris

---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

I would try Electec, Budget marine or Island water world..

If you need a machine shop FKG is the place to go. However Electec specializes in electrical things.

 

They are all in in Cole bay.

When do you expect to arrive in St Maarten.

All of these shops are on the Dutch side.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 8:18 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main Sail Furling Motor Issue

 

 

Greetings All and Happy New Year

My mainsail furling motor froze up good. I tested the power supply and solenoids look good. Dropped the motor down and motor does not turn by hand either. I am on my way to St.Martin and would like to get it looked at/serviced there. Does anyone have a current recommendation (post Irma) of machinist/motor shop. I searched the group the best I could.

Thanks in advance

Chuck

Joy SM2K #388


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main Sail Furling Motor Issue

Chuck_Kim_Joy
 

Thank Eric. I'll look into fkg they have a good rep. We'll pop over and introduce ourselves when we're in if you're still around. 
Chuck 
SM2K #388

On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 12:26 PM 'Kimberlite' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I would try Electec, Budget marine or Island water world..

If you need a machine shop FKG is the place to go. However Electec specializes in electrical things.

 

They are all in in Cole bay.

When do you expect to arrive in St Maarten.

All of these shops are on the Dutch side.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 8:18 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main Sail Furling Motor Issue

 

 

Greetings All and Happy New Year

My mainsail furling motor froze up good. I tested the power supply and solenoids look good. Dropped the motor down and motor does not turn by hand either. I am on my way to St.Martin and would like to get it looked at/serviced there. Does anyone have a current recommendation (post Irma) of machinist/motor shop. I searched the group the best I could.

Thanks in advance

Chuck

Joy SM2K #388


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main Sail Furling Motor Issue

Craig Briggs
 


Hi Chuck, 
Eric has answered your question but since you've already got the motor removed from the mast you might try putting 24v to the wires from a different source, which could inform as to whether you've got an internal electrical failure (brushes, windings, dirty commutator) or a mechanical one (bearings, loose/cracked magnets). These are pretty easy to disassemble and you might find an easy fix. 

I assume 1.) when you say the solenoids look good that means you verified you do have 24v at the motor wires themselves (not just at the output of the solenoids) after you removed the motor and 2.) that "it does not turn by hand" means it's really frozen, ie., after removing the motor from the reduction gear you put a pliers on the output shaft of the motor and it won't budge at all, That certainly sounds like a mechanical issue such as a corroded bearing or broken magnet, which are simple fixes.

Good luck with it - would be curious for you to post what the actual failure was after you fix it.
Cheers, Craig Briggs SN68 Sangaris

---In amelyachtowners@..., <kimberlite@...> wrote :

I would try Electec, Budget marine or Island water world..

If you need a machine shop FKG is the place to go. However Electec specializes in electrical things.

 

They are all in in Cole bay.

When do you expect to arrive in St Maarten.

All of these shops are on the Dutch side.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 8:18 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main Sail Furling Motor Issue

 

 

Greetings All and Happy New Year

My mainsail furling motor froze up good. I tested the power supply and solenoids look good. Dropped the motor down and motor does not turn by hand either. I am on my way to St.Martin and would like to get it looked at/serviced there. Does anyone have a current recommendation (post Irma) of machinist/motor shop. I searched the group the best I could.

Thanks in advance

Chuck

Joy SM2K #388


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main Sail Furling Motor Issue

eric freedman
 

I would try Electec, Budget marine or Island water world..

If you need a machine shop FKG is the place to go. However Electec specializes in electrical things.

 

They are all in in Cole bay.

When do you expect to arrive in St Maarten.

All of these shops are on the Dutch side.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 8:18 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main Sail Furling Motor Issue

 

 

Greetings All and Happy New Year

My mainsail furling motor froze up good. I tested the power supply and solenoids look good. Dropped the motor down and motor does not turn by hand either. I am on my way to St.Martin and would like to get it looked at/serviced there. Does anyone have a current recommendation (post Irma) of machinist/motor shop. I searched the group the best I could.

Thanks in advance

Chuck

Joy SM2K #388


Re: Replacement of vinyl wall and ceiling covering on Amel Sharki

greatketch@...
 

Having redone headliners before, my favorite product was the upholstery fabric "NaugaSoft"  It comes is a variety of colors, it very tough and robust, it has a nice "hand,"  it stretches a bit so it is easy to work around turns and compound curves, and, while it is not cheap, it is not insanely expensive either.

It does NOT have the foam backing, and I always considered that a significant plus since disintegration of that foam layer was usually the reason for needing a new headliner.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
North Bimini, Bahamas


Main Sail Furling Motor Issue

Chuck_Kim_Joy
 

Greetings All and Happy New Year

My mainsail furling motor froze up good. I tested the power supply and solenoids look good. Dropped the motor down and motor does not turn by hand either. I am on my way to St.Martin and would like to get it looked at/serviced there. Does anyone have a current recommendation (post Irma) of machinist/motor shop. I searched the group the best I could.

Thanks in advance

Chuck

Joy SM2K #388


Re: Replacement of vinyl wall and ceiling covering on Amel Sharki

Ian Park
 

On the heads in my Santorin I replaced the vinyl with plastic shower panels which came in sections to join together. Glued direct to wood.
Ian
Ocean Hobo SN96


Re: Replacement of vinyl wall and ceiling covering on Amel Sharki

carcodespam@...
 

Craig

I guess all boats manufactured at this time not only Amels have problems with the vinyl.
On the back the vinyl has a thin foam which goes to dust after the years and the vinyl does not attach any more. The previous owner of my Sharki has therefore installed everywhere wood strips to attach the vinyl again, see pics.
It is better however to make all new which is of course plenty of work. You will get the needed material anywhere e.g. https://www.gisatex.de/wandverkleidung.html?___store=default&___from_store=english

Gerhard
Sharki #60


Re: VHF issues

n33077@...
 

I had similar problems with my vhf that most of you had. I ended up replacing the antenna wire and antenna. Attenuation ceased and range increased to about 25 nm.

Aras Grinius
SV FIASCO
SHARKI # 163


Re: Fie on Fi

mfmcgovern@...
 

The following is an excerpt from the Google Fi Terms of Service since no one ever actually reads this stuff (https://fi.google.com/about/tos/simple/):  

"The Services are offered only to residents of the United States. The Services must be primarily used in the United States and are not intended for extended international use. Further, the Services are designed for use predominantly within our network. If your usage outside our network is excessive, abnormally high, or cause us to incur too much cost, we may, at our option and sole discretion, suspend your Google Fi account, terminate your service, or limit your use of roaming."

Just something to keep in mind when signing up for Google Fi and planning on using it exclusively internationally.    

I am not out cruising yet, but I just switched to Fi from Verizon and have had no issues for the past 4 months or so travelling throughout North America.

Mark McGovern
Cara SM #440
Deale, MD USA



Replacement of vinyl wall and ceiling covering on Amel Sharki

CAMERON BURNESS
 

We are looking for some ideas on what others have done when they have removed the vinyl that is on the ceilings and some walls on a Sharki.

We had to remove some from the forward cabin when repairing a leak through the front hatch last year.

We are assuming that the vinyl is original based on what we have removed already.

We have decided that we need to do something with rest as well now and therefore looking at what others have done to decide a way forward.

Please advise if you did something different in the head as walls and ceiling are all vinyl on Daal II.

Thanks in advance for your ideas and suggestions


Craig & Cameron Burness

S/V Daal II, 1984, #97


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] VHF issues

Sv Garulfo
 


Thanks all for the information

We checked the connections at the back of the vhf box and at the base of the mast and they looked perfect. 

I will try to swap the ais and vhf antennae at the nav station to see what happens. But as far as people have been telling us, our ais emission range is not much better than our vhf. 
(2 or 3 miles)

I would also be interested is testing with the other antenna at the top of the main mast (and also possibly the other one at the top of the mizzen). 
Does anyone know where i can find the deck end of those, and if they are suitable for vhf/ais usage?


Thanks
Thomas 

GARULFO 
A54-122
San Blas, Panama

On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 at 07:26, trifin@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

That’s good info Mohammad, thank you.
Dean


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] VHF issues

Mark Erdos
 

Repeatedly transmitting on a radio whether it is VHF, SSB or AIS etc. with a poor connection in the cabling to the antenna or a shorted antenna can permanently damage the transmitter.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2019 9:55 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] VHF issues

 

 

We have a similar poor-transmit issue with our AIS antenna.

It does not seem to transmit reliably but receives just fine. This symptom can often be related to a bad connection somewhere.



In troubleshooting, I switched the VHF Antenna and the AIS antenna, and the AIS problem disappeared.

My conclusion was than my VHF antenna and cable run was good, but that my AIS cable was not good.

(I did not attempt to check my VHF radio with the AIS antenna).



I eliminated the cable run from the chart table to the interconnection point at the base of the mizzen by connecting a temporary good cable from the AIS unit to the mizzen base connector (accessed via the light/toiletry-holder in the aft cabin ensuite shower).  However the problem seemed to be further up the mast (probably the top connection I guess).



I have not attempted a repair at the top.  In reality, the AIS transmit functionality is "acceptable" to me, the range seems to be a few miles, and the receive range is much more than that.



So, if you want to try and eliminate antenna/cable related problems, you could swap the AIS antenna into the VHF radio, and vice versa and see if the problem jumps to the AIS.  Its better of course that the VHF antenna is on the main mast for height, but at least this gives you a check ability.



The 54 (mine at least) has 4 identical VHF antennas, two on each mast. However, the AIS and VHF Radio are probably the two which are easiest to swap for test purposes.



Cheers

Dean

A54-154