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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] March Liquid cooled pump

karkauai
 

Great info, thanks Danny.  I see you buy the stuff by the gallon.  Will add a big jug to my list.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Jan 13, 2019, at 10:06 PM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Kent,

in high challenge areas like low in the engine room, (eg 230v pump for the aircon) monthly. Rest of the engine room, bi monthly (if it gets longer than that I get guilt feelings). Wiring joints, around aircon units, behind instruments 6 monthly. Watch for any areas where wiring corrosion occurs and spray when seen and add to list.I spray all water manifolds. .I have re enlivened instruments by treating connections. 

I spray into electric motors and alternators and starter motors and if you do this be careful not to use a product with added lubricant that could transmit electricity.  I knew one guy who prior to an ocean race did that into the back of his radios. Oh dear!!!!! That's why I am confident of my crc66 (and I have often used 556) but a little uneasy with corrosion x which tends to be a bit more lubricant orientated. I have no scientific justification for this uneasiness. One warning re CRC 556 and marine 66, rubber does not like it, it goes all spongy. I'll tell the story again. Years ago on a previous boat a heat exchanger hose burst and drowned my alternator in salt water. On the basis that fresh water has to be better than salt I liberally soused in in fresh water (in place) I then (while still wet) emptied a can of CRC 556 into it and went home. It never missed a beat thereafter. Hence my confidence in the product, conformed by a further 15 years use.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl


On 14 January 2019 at 14:21 "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Danny and Bill R.
I know you are both big fans of spraying all electrical and metal parts regularly (CRC66 or Corrosion X). How often do you do this?

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
karkauai@...
USA cell: 828-234-6819


 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] March Liquid cooled pump

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Kent,

in high challenge areas like low in the engine room, (eg 230v pump for the aircon) monthly. Rest of the engine room, bi monthly (if it gets longer than that I get guilt feelings). Wiring joints, around aircon units, behind instruments 6 monthly. Watch for any areas where wiring corrosion occurs and spray when seen and add to list.I spray all water manifolds. .I have re enlivened instruments by treating connections. 

I spray into electric motors and alternators and starter motors and if you do this be careful not to use a product with added lubricant that could transmit electricity.  I knew one guy who prior to an ocean race did that into the back of his radios. Oh dear!!!!! That's why I am confident of my crc66 (and I have often used 556) but a little uneasy with corrosion x which tends to be a bit more lubricant orientated. I have no scientific justification for this uneasiness. One warning re CRC 556 and marine 66, rubber does not like it, it goes all spongy. I'll tell the story again. Years ago on a previous boat a heat exchanger hose burst and drowned my alternator in salt water. On the basis that fresh water has to be better than salt I liberally soused in in fresh water (in place) I then (while still wet) emptied a can of CRC 556 into it and went home. It never missed a beat thereafter. Hence my confidence in the product, conformed by a further 15 years use.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl


On 14 January 2019 at 14:21 "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Danny and Bill R.
I know you are both big fans of spraying all electrical and metal parts regularly (CRC66 or Corrosion X). How often do you do this?

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
karkauai@...
USA cell: 828-234-6819


 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] March Liquid cooled pump

karkauai
 

Hi Danny and Bill R.
I know you are both big fans of spraying all electrical and metal parts regularly (CRC66 or Corrosion X). How often do you do this?

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
karkauai@...
USA cell: 828-234-6819


Re: Main Sail Furling Motor Issue

Duane Siegfri
 

Chuck,

Same thing happened to me.  The top bearing in the gearbox was rusted solid, both in the motor gearbox and the manual furler.

There is a list of the bearings used somewhere on the forum.  You can do this overhaul yourself if you have a bearing puller.  The bearings are pretty cheap.

I'm going to start hitting the top bearings in the gearbox with a "wet" bicycle chain oil.  This top bearings does not get enough lubrication from below, but it does have some saltwater penetration.

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


Re: Auto Prop Bearings

Mark Isaac
 

Thanks Bill and Mark E. (the Mark I was addressing BTW).

Mark Isaac
SM 391, Lulu
Puerto Del Rey, PR



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Auto Prop Bearings

 

One more thing I would like to add to this thread for everyone that I trust is beneficial.

There is another US distributor. I am not sure what is going on with AB Marine and Brunton's, but AB did not share the booth at Anapolis with Brunton's. King Propulsion shared the booth. I know a lot of you have dealt with AB, but I believe that King Propulsion is the Official US Agent & Distributor...at least they say they are at https://kingpropulsion.com/ AND I see no such mention at AB Marine. Also, one of my clients had AB overhaul his AutoProp and one of the bearings was installed reversed, which caused a failure. BTW, King Propulsion diagnosed the problem via a photo I sent him. AB repaired the prop at no charge, but you all know the other costs in exchanging props.

King Propulsion is owned and operated by Dr. Roderick (Rod) Sampson Roderick.Sampson"at"kingpropulsion.com . I know Rod and believe he is an expert. Rod is a qualified Naval Architect, versed in propeller and hull form hydrodynamic testing, and a retired University Professor. Both Brunton's UK and King Propulsion are Amel School Preferred Vendors.


I hope this helps all of you.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 9:52 AM Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Here is a link that might help you:

http://www.nikimat.com/auto_prop_h6.html

Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Sun, 1/13/19, isaac_02906@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Auto Prop Bearings
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, January 13, 2019, 5:58 AM


 









Hi Mark,
Were you successful in obtaining all
the parts you needed for the rebuild of the H6?  If so, can
you post the source and list of required
parts?
Is the spanner
wrench required for the rebuild?
Thanks,

Mark
IsaacSM 391, LuluPuerto Del Rey, PR






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] March Liquid cooled pump

 

Here is the Calpeda from the UK: https://www.colglo.co.uk/product.php?product=CALPB-CM20. If you are in St. Martin, I suspect that you can find the Calpeda, or at least someone to order it.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 11:51 AM Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
Eric,

March pump flow of the LC-5C-MD Mag Drive Pump is "Max Flow 14.5 GPM." That is 870GPH. The reseller, marinepartssource.com, has exaggerated the output to 1,000GPH. The March spec sheet is here: http://www.marchpump.com/pumps/series-5/lc-5c-md/

Also, I can't find a higher output for this "Series 5" March pump.

Additionally, the AC-5C-MD Magnetic Drive Pump (March Pump recommended by Veco and Coastal Climate Control) is rated by March at 17GPM or 1,020GPH. This may be the reason they recommend this pump.

I believe the output is too low on the AC-5C-MD, and suggest that you keep searching.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 9:08 AM Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
Eric,

Agree, but I wonder why Veco (manufacturer of the Climma AC) doesn't recommend this pump, rather another March pump. Possibly cost, because it is at least 50% more? As far as I am concerned, the March LC-5C-MD is the best pump to use for the AC. The only question I have, is there one that is 1200-1500. The first chance I get, I'll ask Veco why they don't recommend this pump. I'll let you know.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970
My calendar: 
https://theamelschool.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


On Sun, Jan 13, 2019, 12:04 AM 'Kimberlite' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

Here is an example of a March liquid cooled pump

https://www.marinepartssource.com/1000-gph-230v-march-air-conditioning-pump-march-pumps-0150-0004-0600?gclid=EAIaIQobChMImYS954nq3wIVko7ICh0EWw0hEAQYBSABEgI7FvD_BwE#

 

I had the pump in my hands in St Maarten. It is totally encapsulated in  what appears to be some form of epoxy and NOT PAINT  and there is no way for it to rust.

There are 2 copper pipes coming from the pump section to cool the motor. I would however get the next size larger to get maximum water volume.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

I believe this is the wat to go.

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 11:27 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] march pump

 

 

Hi Eric,

 

I was curious and looked at the March info.  I believe the 'AC' designation refers to an open style motor that should not be exposed to the possibility of water getting on the motor.  The 'CP' designator is an open drip proof motor that would tolerate exposure to some drippage (?) from above.  They also have TEFC motors available for some direct exposure to water.  However, I think all these motors except the 'LC' submersible variety are standard carbon steel motor housings with some form of a painted finish that apparently does not tolerate a salt air or humid environment i.e. they all will show surface rust at some time.  Good luck with your preventative maintenance project.

 

Mark Mueller

Brass Ring A54


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] March Liquid cooled pump

 

Eric,

March pump flow of the LC-5C-MD Mag Drive Pump is "Max Flow 14.5 GPM." That is 870GPH. The reseller, marinepartssource.com, has exaggerated the output to 1,000GPH. The March spec sheet is here: http://www.marchpump.com/pumps/series-5/lc-5c-md/

Also, I can't find a higher output for this "Series 5" March pump.

Additionally, the AC-5C-MD Magnetic Drive Pump (March Pump recommended by Veco and Coastal Climate Control) is rated by March at 17GPM or 1,020GPH. This may be the reason they recommend this pump.

I believe the output is too low on the AC-5C-MD, and suggest that you keep searching.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 9:08 AM Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
Eric,

Agree, but I wonder why Veco (manufacturer of the Climma AC) doesn't recommend this pump, rather another March pump. Possibly cost, because it is at least 50% more? As far as I am concerned, the March LC-5C-MD is the best pump to use for the AC. The only question I have, is there one that is 1200-1500. The first chance I get, I'll ask Veco why they don't recommend this pump. I'll let you know.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970
My calendar: 
https://theamelschool.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


On Sun, Jan 13, 2019, 12:04 AM 'Kimberlite' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

Here is an example of a March liquid cooled pump

https://www.marinepartssource.com/1000-gph-230v-march-air-conditioning-pump-march-pumps-0150-0004-0600?gclid=EAIaIQobChMImYS954nq3wIVko7ICh0EWw0hEAQYBSABEgI7FvD_BwE#

 

I had the pump in my hands in St Maarten. It is totally encapsulated in  what appears to be some form of epoxy and NOT PAINT  and there is no way for it to rust.

There are 2 copper pipes coming from the pump section to cool the motor. I would however get the next size larger to get maximum water volume.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

I believe this is the wat to go.

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 11:27 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] march pump

 

 

Hi Eric,

 

I was curious and looked at the March info.  I believe the 'AC' designation refers to an open style motor that should not be exposed to the possibility of water getting on the motor.  The 'CP' designator is an open drip proof motor that would tolerate exposure to some drippage (?) from above.  They also have TEFC motors available for some direct exposure to water.  However, I think all these motors except the 'LC' submersible variety are standard carbon steel motor housings with some form of a painted finish that apparently does not tolerate a salt air or humid environment i.e. they all will show surface rust at some time.  Good luck with your preventative maintenance project.

 

Mark Mueller

Brass Ring A54


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] March Liquid cooled pump

Danny Simms
 

Hi Mark, I haven,t had to replace these pumps but I commend to you regular spraying with a rust inhibitor/ penetrant/water displacer. I use CRC marine 66.  I spray all electric motors, alternators, wiring connections, metal parts in the engine room. Likewise for electrical connections throughout boat. A boat is a harsh salt laden environment.   Done this for 10 years. Very happy with results. I have also used corrosion x which is much more expensive.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl



On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 at 01:55, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Eric,

 

I couldn’t agree more.

 

Based on the very bad advice of Coastal Climate Control in the USA, I installed the March AC5-C-MD as a replacement to the original Calpeda pump. The first pump they sold me was defective and I had a difficult time getting them to replace it. The second pump has worked fine and is working satisfactory after 3 years. It was easy to install as it has basically the same footprint. At first, I was happy with the performance of the pump. However, the outer parts of the pump are starting to rust, especially the capacitor housing. I fully expect the pump to have a life expectancy much shorter than I had hoped. It is certainly not a perfect replacement for Calpeda and doesn’t fair well in the Amel engine room. I fully expect to have to replace the pump again during our ownership of Cream Puff..

 

I have notice on the newer model March AC5-C-MD pumps, the capacitor housing is now encased in what appears to be plastic. Since this is the area rusting the fastest, it is a big improvement on the design of the pump.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2019 2:03 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] March Liquid cooled pump

 

 

Here is an example of a March liquid cooled pump

https://www.marinepartssource.com/1000-gph-230v-march-air-conditioning-pump-march-pumps-0150-0004-0600?gclid=EAIaIQobChMImYS954nq3wIVko7ICh0EWw0hEAQYBSABEgI7FvD_BwE#

 

I had the pump in my hands in St Maarten. It is totally encapsulated in  what appears to be some form of epoxy and NOT PAINT  and there is no way for it to rust.

There are 2 copper pipes coming from the pump section to cool the motor. I would however get the next size larger to get maximum water volume.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

I believe this is the wat to go.

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 11:27 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] march pump

 

 

Hi Eric,

 

I was curious and looked at the March info.  I believe the 'AC' designation refers to an open style motor that should not be exposed to the possibility of water getting on the motor.  The 'CP' designator is an open drip proof motor that would tolerate exposure to some drippage (?) from above.  They also have TEFC motors available for some direct exposure to water.  However, I think all these motors except the 'LC' submersible variety are standard carbon steel motor housings with some form of a painted finish that apparently does not tolerate a salt air or humid environment i.e. they all will show surface rust at some time.  Good luck with your preventative maintenance project.

 

Mark Mueller

Brass Ring A54


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Auto Prop Bearings

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Here is a link that might help you:

http://www.nikimat.com/auto_prop_h6.html


Sincerely, Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Sun, 1/13/19, isaac_02906@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Auto Prop Bearings
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, January 13, 2019, 5:58 AM


 









Hi Mark,
Were you successful in obtaining all
the parts you needed for the rebuild of the H6?  If so, can
you post the source and list of required
parts?
Is the spanner
wrench required for the rebuild?
Thanks,

Mark
IsaacSM 391, LuluPuerto Del Rey, PR


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Auto Prop Bearings

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Mark;

 

Brunton’s factory in the UK has all of the required spares for the H-6. We purchased all parts for a complete re-build last year. Their pricing including shipping was better than the US distributor. You can always get them on the phone and they are all very helpful and knowledgeable and seem to have the AMEL hull numbers on file.

 

All wrenches and required tools are included in the maintenance kit and required for the rebuild.

 

Here’s the website for Brunton’s spare parts page. You need to scroll down to H6 for all available spares.

 

http://bruntonsshop.oxatis.com/autoprop-spares-c102x2839498

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2019 3:59 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Auto Prop Bearings

 

 

Hi Mark,

 

Were you successful in obtaining all the parts you needed for the rebuild of the H6?  If so, can you post the source and list of required parts?

 

Is the spanner wrench required for the rebuild?

 

Thanks,

 

Mark Isaac

SM 391, Lulu

Puerto Del Rey, PR


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] March Liquid cooled pump

 

Eric,

Agree, but I wonder why Veco (manufacturer of the Climma AC) doesn't recommend this pump, rather another March pump. Possibly cost, because it is at least 50% more? As far as I am concerned, the March LC-5C-MD is the best pump to use for the AC. The only question I have, is there one that is 1200-1500. The first chance I get, I'll ask Veco why they don't recommend this pump. I'll let you know.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970
My calendar: 
https://theamelschool.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


On Sun, Jan 13, 2019, 12:04 AM 'Kimberlite' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

Here is an example of a March liquid cooled pump

https://www.marinepartssource.com/1000-gph-230v-march-air-conditioning-pump-march-pumps-0150-0004-0600?gclid=EAIaIQobChMImYS954nq3wIVko7ICh0EWw0hEAQYBSABEgI7FvD_BwE#

 

I had the pump in my hands in St Maarten. It is totally encapsulated in  what appears to be some form of epoxy and NOT PAINT  and there is no way for it to rust.

There are 2 copper pipes coming from the pump section to cool the motor. I would however get the next size larger to get maximum water volume.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

I believe this is the wat to go.

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 11:27 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] march pump

 

 

Hi Eric,

 

I was curious and looked at the March info.  I believe the 'AC' designation refers to an open style motor that should not be exposed to the possibility of water getting on the motor.  The 'CP' designator is an open drip proof motor that would tolerate exposure to some drippage (?) from above.  They also have TEFC motors available for some direct exposure to water.  However, I think all these motors except the 'LC' submersible variety are standard carbon steel motor housings with some form of a painted finish that apparently does not tolerate a salt air or humid environment i.e. they all will show surface rust at some time.  Good luck with your preventative maintenance project.

 

Mark Mueller

Brass Ring A54


Re: Heat Exchanger -- Volvo MD22 - Perkins Prima M50

Craig Briggs
 

Good outcome, Herbert, glad to hear it.
Craig


---In amelyachtowners@..., <herbert@...> wrote :

@Craig, it is 54mm, the sleeve is about 1-2 mm (already installed, cannot measure it). it gives an exact fit of the tube and the baffle plate.

@Ian: we used this, fit perfect. we have an 1995 MD22A-L (made by Perkins)

1 hour Testrun was ok, difference to before: the coolant tank (our step into the engine room) is not getting as hot as before, cooling system seems to work more efficient.

herbert



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Auto Prop Bearings

Mark Erdos
 

Mark,

 

Not sure which Mark this was directed to (we seem to be collecting Marks). Here is a source in the USA for AutoProp parts. If you call them and tell them your prop serial number, they will know which kit to send you.

 

The directions are on this page. There are also a couple of YouTube videos. It is a simple but time consuming process. It will take you at least one full day to do the prop. https://www.ab-marine.com/product/autoprop-roller-bearing-systems/  The tools are necessary whether from them or if you can source other compatible tools. It is possible without the tools but you could damage the prop.

 

Ask AB Marine to ship USPS and you will not have to pay anything extra to PR.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2019 7:59 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Auto Prop Bearings

 

 

Hi Mark,

 

Were you successful in obtaining all the parts you needed for the rebuild of the H6?  If so, can you post the source and list of required parts?

 

Is the spanner wrench required for the rebuild?

 

Thanks,

 

Mark Isaac

SM 391, Lulu

Puerto Del Rey, PR


Re: Auto Prop Bearings

Mark Isaac
 

Hi Mark,

Were you successful in obtaining all the parts you needed for the rebuild of the H6?  If so, can you post the source and list of required parts?

Is the spanner wrench required for the rebuild?

Thanks,

Mark Isaac
SM 391, Lulu
Puerto Del Rey, PR


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] March Liquid cooled pump

Mark Erdos
 

Eric,

 

I couldn’t agree more.

 

Based on the very bad advice of Coastal Climate Control in the USA, I installed the March AC5-C-MD as a replacement to the original Calpeda pump. The first pump they sold me was defective and I had a difficult time getting them to replace it. The second pump has worked fine and is working satisfactory after 3 years. It was easy to install as it has basically the same footprint. At first, I was happy with the performance of the pump. However, the outer parts of the pump are starting to rust, especially the capacitor housing. I fully expect the pump to have a life expectancy much shorter than I had hoped. It is certainly not a perfect replacement for Calpeda and doesn’t fair well in the Amel engine room. I fully expect to have to replace the pump again during our ownership of Cream Puff.

 

I have notice on the newer model March AC5-C-MD pumps, the capacitor housing is now encased in what appears to be plastic. Since this is the area rusting the fastest, it is a big improvement on the design of the pump.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2019 2:03 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] March Liquid cooled pump

 

 

Here is an example of a March liquid cooled pump

https://www.marinepartssource.com/1000-gph-230v-march-air-conditioning-pump-march-pumps-0150-0004-0600?gclid=EAIaIQobChMImYS954nq3wIVko7ICh0EWw0hEAQYBSABEgI7FvD_BwE#

 

I had the pump in my hands in St Maarten. It is totally encapsulated in  what appears to be some form of epoxy and NOT PAINT  and there is no way for it to rust.

There are 2 copper pipes coming from the pump section to cool the motor. I would however get the next size larger to get maximum water volume.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

I believe this is the wat to go.

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 11:27 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] march pump

 

 

Hi Eric,

 

I was curious and looked at the March info.  I believe the 'AC' designation refers to an open style motor that should not be exposed to the possibility of water getting on the motor.  The 'CP' designator is an open drip proof motor that would tolerate exposure to some drippage (?) from above.  They also have TEFC motors available for some direct exposure to water.  However, I think all these motors except the 'LC' submersible variety are standard carbon steel motor housings with some form of a painted finish that apparently does not tolerate a salt air or humid environment i.e. they all will show surface rust at some time.  Good luck with your preventative maintenance project.

 

Mark Mueller

Brass Ring A54


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] March Liquid cooled pump

Barry Connor
 

Hi All,
I have been reading about the pumps issue and below is what I did. I have had to replace both, a/c and low pressure water maker pumps.

I installed the submersible March pump for my A/C in 2016 and it has been running perfectly. I got this pump from tcm@.... Tom Martland is helpful and he will get you the 230v unit at about half the price of any marine chandlery. He shipped to me in EU without any problem. This pump is super quiet.
My water maker is only 230v, not the 24vDC/230vAC. I tried a few options for my dessalator low pressure 230v pump with not very good results. The low pressure pump is not low pressure at all, it needs quiet hight pressure in fact! In the end I went back to dessalator in Antibes for the recommended low pressure pump which they have recently upgraded to prevent the stainless steel shaft from rusting which was the problem with the original unit supplied to Amel, this original shaft corroded over years resulting in the need to replace the motor, rebuilding the pump was not cheap either. The new pump unit is now complete (motor and pump) all aluminium with a better quality stainless steel shaft.

Hope this is helpful.
Best Regards

Barry and Penny
"Lady Penelope II'
Amel 54. #17
Marina di Ragusa,  Sicily

On Sunday, January 13, 2019, 1:05:00 AM EST, 'Kimberlite' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:


 

Here is an example of a March liquid cooled pump

https://www.marinepartssource.com/1000-gph-230v-march-air-conditioning-pump-march-pumps-0150-0004-0600?gclid=EAIaIQobChMImYS954nq3wIVko7ICh0EWw0hEAQYBSABEgI7FvD_BwE#

 

I had the pump in my hands in St Maarten. It is totally encapsulated in  what appears to be some form of epoxy and NOT PAINT  and there is no way for it to rust.

There are 2 copper pipes coming from the pump section to cool the motor. I would however get the next size larger to get maximum water volume.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

I believe this is the wat to go.

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 11:27 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] march pump

 

 

Hi Eric,

 

I was curious and looked at the March info.  I believe the 'AC' designation refers to an open style motor that should not be exposed to the possibility of water getting on the motor.  The 'CP' designator is an open drip proof motor that would tolerate exposure to some drippage (?) from above.  They also have TEFC motors available for some direct exposure to water.  However, I think all these motors except the 'LC' submersible variety are standard carbon steel motor housings with some form of a painted finish that apparently does not tolerate a salt air or humid environment i.e. they all will show surface rust at some time.  Good luck with your preventative maintenance project.

 

Mark Mueller

Brass Ring A54


March Liquid cooled pump

eric freedman
 

Here is an example of a March liquid cooled pump

https://www.marinepartssource.com/1000-gph-230v-march-air-conditioning-pump-march-pumps-0150-0004-0600?gclid=EAIaIQobChMImYS954nq3wIVko7ICh0EWw0hEAQYBSABEgI7FvD_BwE#

 

I had the pump in my hands in St Maarten. It is totally encapsulated in  what appears to be some form of epoxy and NOT PAINT  and there is no way for it to rust.

There are 2 copper pipes coming from the pump section to cool the motor. I would however get the next size larger to get maximum water volume.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

I believe this is the wat to go.

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 11:27 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] march pump

 

 

Hi Eric,

 

I was curious and looked at the March info.  I believe the 'AC' designation refers to an open style motor that should not be exposed to the possibility of water getting on the motor.  The 'CP' designator is an open drip proof motor that would tolerate exposure to some drippage (?) from above.  They also have TEFC motors available for some direct exposure to water.  However, I think all these motors except the 'LC' submersible variety are standard carbon steel motor housings with some form of a painted finish that apparently does not tolerate a salt air or humid environment i.e. they all will show surface rust at some time.  Good luck with your preventative maintenance project.

 

Mark Mueller

Brass Ring A54


Re: Heat Exchanger -- Volvo MD22 - Perkins Prima M50

Herbert Lackner
 

@Craig, it is 54mm, the sleeve is about 1-2 mm (already installed, cannot measure it). it gives an exact fit of the tube and the baffle plate.

@Ian: we used this, fit perfect. we have an 1995 MD22A-L (made by Perkins)

1 hour Testrun was ok, difference to before: the coolant tank (our step into the engine room) is not getting as hot as before, cooling system seems to work more efficient.

herbert



Re: Heat Exchanger -- Volvo MD22 - Perkins Prima M50

Craig Briggs
 


On mine it is a snug fit - probably less than 1-2 mm. Can you measure your core to see if it is 54mm? That should tell you which model you have.
Craig

---In amelyachtowners@..., <herbert@...> wrote :

Hi Craig,

if you do not have a sleeve installed then the tube goes through the baffle plate with some space (~1-2  mm) left between the plate and the tube. that means that not all the cooling liquid will run through the heat exchanger, some will circulate just through the space between the tube and the plate. right?

Has anyone installed the sleeve? I was not installed on mine, but it seems to me that it should be installed...  I have a sleeve in my spare parts, just do not know if I make anything better or worse if I install it according to the manual

thx, herbert