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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] more insurance games for the Caribbean

eric freedman
 

Hi Chuck,

What is the agreed upon value of Joy?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 9:52 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] more insurance games for the Caribbean

 

 

I just signed up with topsail for the year. $4400 with occ discount. Deductible is higher for damage under named storm other than that your standard fair. Best part is no storage requirements if your south of mid Grenada June thru November 

Chuck 

Joy SM 388

 

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 9:06 AM Dan Carlson dancarlson367@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

John,. How did you resolve your insurance issue? 

 

Thanks, Dan Carlson,. SM#387

 

 

 

On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 2:13 PM, john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners]

 

My current insurer (TopSail UK) informed me, shortly after their invitation to renew by the way,  that they will not be able to renew my policy due to changes in the underwriters requirements.  

 

I followed the advice on the forum checking with a few other providers, including Y-Yacht and Pantaenius US.  Both reported that they could not provide coverage.  That left me a bit unnerved...I have been with the same company for years without issue, have no claims, keep the insured amount reasonable, and have not changed the use or location of the vessel. 

 

Y-yacht reported that they were not allowed to provide coverage to a US vessel due to licensing.  It was not clear if that is due to the homeport location or flag)

 

I pressed Pantaenius US  for a reason and their response it that it is the vessel location in the Caribbean.  Their exact response is that no coverage is provided:  "South of 30.5 degrees north latitude in the Atlantic Ocean, inland waters, Caribbean Sea, Gulf of Mexico, and the Panama Canal, between July 15th and November 1st,"



That seems to be an awfully large area with zero yacht insurance?  I asked about the southern limit, IE is Grenada OK...nope there is no southern limit.  



Can this be correct?



Regards,  John



SV Annie SM 37

Carriacou


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] march pump

eric freedman
 

Hi Bill,

I was wondering why the WC (water cooled) units are not recommended?

I did not like the look of the open frame AC (air cooled)  units.

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 10:40 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] march pump

 

 

Eric,

 

Eric,

 

It's a long answer, and we all have learned more since my last response. If you want the short answer, it is yes, but....

 

Long Answer:

The basic rule of thumb is 1 gallon per minute (GPM) is required for every 4,000 Btu’s of capacity. So, 9,000 * 3 = 27,000/4,000= 6.75gal/min * 3.785=25.55liters/min * 60 = 1,532 liters/hour OR, 6,75GPM * 60 = 405GPH. The March AC5-C-MD is rated at 1000 hal/hr (GPH), which is more than twice what it should be rated at. However, as you know, when all 3 ACs are running, the salon gets its required saltwater from the output of the aft AC, which has been heated because of heat transfer. And the fore AC gets its required saltwater from the output of the aft AC and the salon AC, which has been heated because of heat transfer. I really do not know how to take all of that "pre-heated" water into account.

 

All of that said, the Calpeda pump is rated at 4.8 sq meters an hour or 1268GPH. So the  March AC5-C-MD  pumps about 25% less water than the Calpeda, but substantially more than the rule of thumb requirement from above of 405GPH. Coastal Climate Control recommends the March TE 5.5C-MD-AC, which is rated at 1500 GPH, and 50/60hz.. Mark on CREAM PUFF installed this pump and is satisfied with its performance. I think the safe thing to do is use The March TE 5.5C-MD-AC

 

I hope this helps you and others with this decision.                          

 

Best,

 

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  
http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

 

 

On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 9:33 PM 'Kimberlite' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Bill,

Do you still recommend this pump?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

And, if you want a real deal on a 230 volt March pump, check this out:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/March-pump-AC-5C-MD-230v-1ph-1-8hp-3090rpm-NOS-free-shipping-/251866184098

I have one of these as a spare. I t hink it also might work for the Dessalator 160 liter low pressure pump.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fie on Fi

Dan Carlson
 

We could not get service in Aruba last month.  But overall we have been very happy with it. We've had it over a year and used from St Martin South to Trinidad and now West to Columbia.  We are not heavy users. 

Dan and Lori Carlson on s BeBe, SM#387




On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 2:06 PM, Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners]
wrote:
 

Nowhere else in the world except Martinique have I had problems. It has been on/off. There is no alternative. All carriers rely on local towers. Martinique is the worst that I know of. If you had a local SIM, it is sometimes better because the local carrier gives preference, but I found it impossible as a non-French citizen to get. 

Can you imagine what we did and what it cost in the Caribbean before GoogleFI? And, what about everywhere else?

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Tue, Jan 8, 2019, 12:11 paul.cooper74@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

I just want to send out a word of caution to anyone considering switching to Google Fi for cellular telephone and internet.  I think many are interested because of the advertised  "seamless coverage in 147 countries."  Well the old adage that if something seems too good to be true it probably is holds true here.


My wife, son and I all have Google Fi for our carrier, and it was wonderful down here in the eastern Caribbean until recently.  We had good coverage everywhere we went, including Martinique, and then all of a sudden in the middle of cruising with our sons, we lost all coverage, phone and data, while in Martinique.  Since we had no phone or internet and were on the hook we couldn't get support.  When we got to a wifi cafe, we chatted with Google and after many stock interventions, still had no service (this was 2 weeks ago).  They said there was nothing they could do, it wasn't their problem, it was the local carriers.  When we got Dominica service resumed but when we reached Guadeloupe (France again) it was gone again.  Again I found some wifi and contacted customer support (not technical support, they don't seem to have that, only customer support).  They had me do the same interventions which again didn't work.  Again they said sorry nothing they could do and gave me a credit of $20.   We are now back in Martinique and there is still no Google Fi service with no indication it will ever resume.


We were using cellular internet for many things, including weather and email  and phone was critical for organizing the numerous contractors working on my boat.  Very inconvenient to say the least.  We just got back from the local Digicel office where we bought a new plan and have put Google Fi on "pause."


Can't speak for other parts of the world but it appears the whole google fi system hinges on the local carriers in the various countries, and the customer support person actually told me they had "no authority" to contact those carriers??!  So feels like a house of cards to me and suggest you beware.


Any one with lost coverage elsewhere in this watery world?


Paul C.

SM 238 "Maracuya"

Martinique


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] more insurance games for the Caribbean

Chuck_Kim_Joy
 

Hi John. 
I told them my boat would not be back to the US. So no coverage there but still us registered. 
Chuck 

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 12:04 PM John Clark john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Chuck and Dan,
   I chose the Jackline policy from IMIS, finalizing the coverage right now...actually waiting for the bill.   My premium is $4100 USD, probably lower than yours because my boat is older.   Chuck is your boat UK registered?   TopSail told me their underwriters would not cover a US boat in the Caribbean.  

                                            John

SV Annie  SM 37
Prickly Bay, Grenada

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 11:10 AM Chuck Lacey clacey9@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I just signed up with topsail for the year. $4400 with occ discount. Deductible is higher for damage under named storm other than that your standard fair. Best part is no storage requirements if your south of mid Grenada June thru November 
Chuck 
Joy SM 388

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 9:06 AM Dan Carlson dancarlson367@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

John,. How did you resolve your insurance issue? 


Thanks, Dan Carlson,.. SM#387




On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 2:13 PM, john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners]
 

My current insurer (TopSail UK) informed me, shortly after their invitation to renew by the way,  that they will not be able to renew my policy due to changes in the underwriters requirements.  


I followed the advice on the forum checking with a few other providers, including Y-Yacht and Pantaenius US.  Both reported that they could not provide coverage.  That left me a bit unnerved...I have been with the same company for years without issue, have no claims, keep the insured amount reasonable, and have not changed the use or location of the vessel. 


Y-yacht reported that they were not allowed to provide coverage to a US vessel due to licensing.  It was not clear if that is due to the homeport location or flag)


I pressed Pantaenius US  for a reason and their response it that it is the vessel location in the Caribbean.  Their exact response is that no coverage is provided:  "South of 30.5 degrees north latitude in the Atlantic Ocean, inland waters, Caribbean Sea, Gulf of Mexico, and the Panama Canal, between July 15th and November 1st,"


That seems to be an awfully large area with zero yacht insurance?  I asked about the southern limit, IE is Grenada OK...nope there is no southern limit.  


Can this be correct?


Regards,  John


SV Annie SM 37

Carriacou


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] more insurance games for the Caribbean

John Clark
 

Hi Chuck and Dan,
   I chose the Jackline policy from IMIS, finalizing the coverage right now...actually waiting for the bill.   My premium is $4100 USD, probably lower than yours because my boat is older.   Chuck is your boat UK registered?   TopSail told me their underwriters would not cover a US boat in the Caribbean.  

                                            John

SV Annie  SM 37
Prickly Bay, Grenada

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 11:10 AM Chuck Lacey clacey9@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I just signed up with topsail for the year. $4400 with occ discount. Deductible is higher for damage under named storm other than that your standard fair. Best part is no storage requirements if your south of mid Grenada June thru November 
Chuck 
Joy SM 388

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 9:06 AM Dan Carlson dancarlson367@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

John,. How did you resolve your insurance issue? 


Thanks, Dan Carlson,. SM#387




On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 2:13 PM, john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners]
 

My current insurer (TopSail UK) informed me, shortly after their invitation to renew by the way,  that they will not be able to renew my policy due to changes in the underwriters requirements.  


I followed the advice on the forum checking with a few other providers, including Y-Yacht and Pantaenius US.  Both reported that they could not provide coverage.  That left me a bit unnerved...I have been with the same company for years without issue, have no claims, keep the insured amount reasonable, and have not changed the use or location of the vessel. 


Y-yacht reported that they were not allowed to provide coverage to a US vessel due to licensing.  It was not clear if that is due to the homeport location or flag)


I pressed Pantaenius US  for a reason and their response it that it is the vessel location in the Caribbean.  Their exact response is that no coverage is provided:  "South of 30.5 degrees north latitude in the Atlantic Ocean, inland waters, Caribbean Sea, Gulf of Mexico, and the Panama Canal, between July 15th and November 1st,"


That seems to be an awfully large area with zero yacht insurance?  I asked about the southern limit, IE is Grenada OK...nope there is no southern limit.  


Can this be correct?


Regards,  John


SV Annie SM 37

Carriacou


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] march pump

 

Eric,

Eric,

It's a long answer, and we all have learned more since my last response. If you want the short answer, it is yes, but....

Long Answer:
The basic rule of thumb is 1 gallon per minute (GPM) is required for every 4,000 Btu’s of capacity. So, 9,000 * 3 = 27,000/4,000= 6.75gal/min * 3.785=25.55liters/min * 60 = 1,532 liters/hour OR, 6,75GPM * 60 = 405GPH. The March AC5-C-MD is rated at 1000 hal/hr (GPH), which is more than twice what it should be rated at. However, as you know, when all 3 ACs are running, the salon gets its required saltwater from the output of the aft AC, which has been heated because of heat transfer. And the fore AC gets its required saltwater from the output of the aft AC and the salon AC, which has been heated because of heat transfer. I really do not know how to take all of that "pre-heated" water into account.

All of that said, the Calpeda pump is rated at 4.8 sq meters an hour or 1268GPH. So the  March AC5-C-MD  pumps about 25% less water than the Calpeda, but substantially more than the rule of thumb requirement from above of 405GPH. Coastal Climate Control recommends the March TE 5.5C-MD-AC, which is rated at 1500 GPH, and 50/60hz. Mark on CREAM PUFF installed this pump and is satisfied with its performance. I think the safe thing to do is use The March TE 5.5C-MD-AC

I hope this helps you and others with this decision. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 9:33 PM 'Kimberlite' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Bill,

Do you still recommend this pump?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

And, if you want a real deal on a 230 volt March pump, check this out:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/March-pump-AC-5C-MD-230v-1ph-1-8hp-3090rpm-NOS-free-shipping-/251866184098

I have one of these as a spare. I t hink it also might work for the Dessalator 160 liter low pressure pump.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] more insurance games for the Caribbean

Chuck_Kim_Joy
 

I just signed up with topsail for the year. $4400 with occ discount. Deductible is higher for damage under named storm other than that your standard fair. Best part is no storage requirements if your south of mid Grenada June thru November 
Chuck 
Joy SM 388

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 9:06 AM Dan Carlson dancarlson367@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

John,. How did you resolve your insurance issue? 


Thanks, Dan Carlson,. SM#387




On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 2:13 PM, john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners]
 

My current insurer (TopSail UK) informed me, shortly after their invitation to renew by the way,  that they will not be able to renew my policy due to changes in the underwriters requirements.  


I followed the advice on the forum checking with a few other providers, including Y-Yacht and Pantaenius US.  Both reported that they could not provide coverage.  That left me a bit unnerved...I have been with the same company for years without issue, have no claims, keep the insured amount reasonable, and have not changed the use or location of the vessel. 


Y-yacht reported that they were not allowed to provide coverage to a US vessel due to licensing.  It was not clear if that is due to the homeport location or flag)


I pressed Pantaenius US  for a reason and their response it that it is the vessel location in the Caribbean.  Their exact response is that no coverage is provided:  "South of 30.5 degrees north latitude in the Atlantic Ocean, inland waters, Caribbean Sea, Gulf of Mexico, and the Panama Canal, between July 15th and November 1st,"


That seems to be an awfully large area with zero yacht insurance?  I asked about the southern limit, IE is Grenada OK...nope there is no southern limit.  


Can this be correct?


Regards,  John


SV Annie SM 37

Carriacou


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] more insurance games for the Caribbean

Dan Carlson
 

John,. How did you resolve your insurance issue? 

Thanks, Dan Carlson,. SM#387




On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 2:13 PM, john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners]
wrote:
 

My current insurer (TopSail UK) informed me, shortly after their invitation to renew by the way,  that they will not be able to renew my policy due to changes in the underwriters requirements.  


I followed the advice on the forum checking with a few other providers, including Y-Yacht and Pantaenius US.  Both reported that they could not provide coverage.  That left me a bit unnerved...I have been with the same company for years without issue, have no claims, keep the insured amount reasonable, and have not changed the use or location of the vessel. 


Y-yacht reported that they were not allowed to provide coverage to a US vessel due to licensing.  It was not clear if that is due to the homeport location or flag)


I pressed Pantaenius US  for a reason and their response it that it is the vessel location in the Caribbean.  Their exact response is that no coverage is provided:  "South of 30.5 degrees north latitude in the Atlantic Ocean, inland waters, Caribbean Sea, Gulf of Mexico, and the Panama Canal, between July 15th and November 1st,"


That seems to be an awfully large area with zero yacht insurance?  I asked about the southern limit, IE is Grenada OK...nope there is no southern limit.  


Can this be correct?


Regards,  John


SV Annie SM 37

Carriacou


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Push button with black Rubber caps for Amel modified Lofrans

carcodespam@...
 

Gabriele
Thank you, such a feedback is always usefull to others.

Gerhard
Sharki #60


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Push button with black Rubber caps for Amel modified Lofrans

svsunnyside
 

Yesterday I installed Two push buttons bought by ebay Germany and shipped by HERTH+BUSS Germany with the Part#70468080 . They are esactly corresponding 
to what Amel installed on a lot of Lofran with a modified Aluminum Motor Cover.
The same Push Button can be found on the market with different Part# , 
according to different seller.

Regards

S/V Sunny Side
Maramu #219
On a hard in Cartagena de India

On Saturday, 5 January 2019, 04:27:48 GMT-5, carcodespam@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:


 

Alan

I found it at Amazon Germany:
It has a rubber cap but the switch is made in plastic.
This one has a better quality (made in brass) but is more expensive:

BTW they are not switches but push-buttons.
(Push to stop the engine, push and hold to turn the windlass.)

Gerhard
Sharki #60


march pump

eric freedman
 

Hi Bill,

Do you still recommend this pump?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

And, if you want a real deal on a 230 volt March pump, check this out:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/March-pump-AC-5C-MD-230v-1ph-1-8hp-3090rpm-NOS-free-shipping-/251866184098

I have one of these as a spare. I t hink it also might work for the Dessalator 160 liter low pressure pump.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet


Re: VHF issues

Dean Gillies
 

Hi Thomas,
If I recall correctly, there are mating PL259 connectors at the base of the mast for all 4 antennas. You should be able to re-configure these to do the checks of the antennas and their feed cables.

The connectors to the AIS unit and VHF Radio are both PL 259 at the chart table, and within easy swapping distance so it’s easy to switch those to test the full cable runs.

Best regards
Dean
SY Stella
A54-154


Sent from my iPhone X


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main Sail Furling Motor Issue

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main Sail Furling Motor Issue

Chuck_Kim_Joy
 

That makes sense. I will do that at calm anchorage. Thanks for the encouragement. After a few reads it seems like a true Pandoras box. I'll go slow and report back. 
A
Chuck & Kim
At anchor in beautiful Brewers bay, Bvis. 

On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 4:10 PM sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Chuck,


Thanks for clarifying - I was wondering about that. Reduction gear geometry is such that you, indeed, can not turn the output shaft - that's what keeps the sail "locked" when you are partially furled, else it would just blow all the way out. (It's not the electric motor providing the "locking" - that will spin freely in either direction with no power applied.)
 
Since you'll have to remove the motor to take it to a shop anyway, I'd suggest you go ahead and remove it and the reduction gear, checking it out as I described, plus, after you separate the motor, you can try turning the reduction gear manually by the input shaft to make sure it is not the problem. You really can't break anything - it's all pretty robust. (Well, you can over torque the thin motor housing bolts - uh, don't do that :-)

Cheers, Craig Briggs, SN68 Sangaris


---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Thanks Craig. I did verify voltage but did not disassemble the gear box from the motor yet.  Just tried to turn output shaft that extends out the box that engages with the sail foil. I will disassemble some more. Just didn't to want break anything taking apart and make worse 
Chuck 
Joy #388

On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 2:24 PM sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 


Hi Chuck, 
Eric has answered your question but since you've already got the motor removed from the mast you might try putting 24v to the wires from a different source, which could inform as to whether you've got an internal electrical failure (brushes, windings, dirty commutator) or a mechanical one (bearings, loose/cracked magnets). These are pretty easy to disassemble and you might find an easy fix. 

I assume 1.) when you say the solenoids look good that means you verified you do have 24v at the motor wires themselves (not just at the output of the solenoids) after you removed the motor and 2.) that "it does not turn by hand" means it's really frozen, ie., after removing the motor from the reduction gear you put a pliers on the output shaft of the motor and it won't budge at all, That certainly sounds like a mechanical issue such as a corroded bearing or broken magnet, which are simple fixes.

Good luck with it - would be curious for you to post what the actual failure was after you fix it.
Cheers, Craig Briggs SN68 Sangaris

---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

I would try Electec, Budget marine or Island water world..

If you need a machine shop FKG is the place to go. However Electec specializes in electrical things.

 

They are all in in Cole bay.

When do you expect to arrive in St Maarten.

All of these shops are on the Dutch side.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 8:18 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main Sail Furling Motor Issue

 

 

Greetings All and Happy New Year

My mainsail furling motor froze up good. I tested the power supply and solenoids look good. Dropped the motor down and motor does not turn by hand either. I am on my way to St.Martin and would like to get it looked at/serviced there. Does anyone have a current recommendation (post Irma) of machinist/motor shop. I searched the group the best I could.

Thanks in advance

Chuck

Joy SM2K #388


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main Sail Furling Motor Issue

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Chuck,

Thanks for clarifying - I was wondering about that. Reduction gear geometry is such that you, indeed, can not turn the output shaft - that's what keeps the sail "locked" when you are partially furled, else it would just blow all the way out. (It's not the electric motor providing the "locking" - that will spin freely in either direction with no power applied.)
 
Since you'll have to remove the motor to take it to a shop anyway, I'd suggest you go ahead and remove it and the reduction gear, checking it out as I described, plus, after you separate the motor, you can try turning the reduction gear manually by the input shaft to make sure it is not the problem. You really can't break anything - it's all pretty robust. (Well, you can over torque the thin motor housing bolts - uh, don't do that :-)

Cheers, Craig Briggs, SN68 Sangaris


---In amelyachtowners@..., <clacey9@...> wrote :

Thanks Craig. I did verify voltage but did not disassemble the gear box from the motor yet.  Just tried to turn output shaft that extends out the box that engages with the sail foil. I will disassemble some more. Just didn't to want break anything taking apart and make worse 
Chuck 
Joy #388

On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 2:24 PM sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 


Hi Chuck, 
Eric has answered your question but since you've already got the motor removed from the mast you might try putting 24v to the wires from a different source, which could inform as to whether you've got an internal electrical failure (brushes, windings, dirty commutator) or a mechanical one (bearings, loose/cracked magnets). These are pretty easy to disassemble and you might find an easy fix. 

I assume 1.) when you say the solenoids look good that means you verified you do have 24v at the motor wires themselves (not just at the output of the solenoids) after you removed the motor and 2.) that "it does not turn by hand" means it's really frozen, ie., after removing the motor from the reduction gear you put a pliers on the output shaft of the motor and it won't budge at all, That certainly sounds like a mechanical issue such as a corroded bearing or broken magnet, which are simple fixes.

Good luck with it - would be curious for you to post what the actual failure was after you fix it.
Cheers, Craig Briggs SN68 Sangaris

---In amelyachtowners@..., <kimberlite@...> wrote :

I would try Electec, Budget marine or Island water world..

If you need a machine shop FKG is the place to go. However Electec specializes in electrical things.

 

They are all in in Cole bay.

When do you expect to arrive in St Maarten.

All of these shops are on the Dutch side.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 8:18 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main Sail Furling Motor Issue

 

 

Greetings All and Happy New Year

My mainsail furling motor froze up good. I tested the power supply and solenoids look good. Dropped the motor down and motor does not turn by hand either. I am on my way to St.Martin and would like to get it looked at/serviced there. Does anyone have a current recommendation (post Irma) of machinist/motor shop. I searched the group the best I could.

Thanks in advance

Chuck

Joy SM2K #388


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main Sail Furling Motor Issue

Chuck_Kim_Joy
 

Thanks Craig. I did verify voltage but did not disassemble the gear box from the motor yet.  Just tried to turn output shaft that extends out the box that engages with the sail foil. I will disassemble some more. Just didn't to want break anything taking apart and make worse 
Chuck 
Joy #388

On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 2:24 PM sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 


Hi Chuck, 
Eric has answered your question but since you've already got the motor removed from the mast you might try putting 24v to the wires from a different source, which could inform as to whether you've got an internal electrical failure (brushes, windings, dirty commutator) or a mechanical one (bearings, loose/cracked magnets). These are pretty easy to disassemble and you might find an easy fix. 

I assume 1.) when you say the solenoids look good that means you verified you do have 24v at the motor wires themselves (not just at the output of the solenoids) after you removed the motor and 2.) that "it does not turn by hand" means it's really frozen, ie., after removing the motor from the reduction gear you put a pliers on the output shaft of the motor and it won't budge at all, That certainly sounds like a mechanical issue such as a corroded bearing or broken magnet, which are simple fixes.

Good luck with it - would be curious for you to post what the actual failure was after you fix it.
Cheers, Craig Briggs SN68 Sangaris

---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

I would try Electec, Budget marine or Island water world..

If you need a machine shop FKG is the place to go. However Electec specializes in electrical things.

 

They are all in in Cole bay.

When do you expect to arrive in St Maarten.

All of these shops are on the Dutch side.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 8:18 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main Sail Furling Motor Issue

 

 

Greetings All and Happy New Year

My mainsail furling motor froze up good. I tested the power supply and solenoids look good. Dropped the motor down and motor does not turn by hand either. I am on my way to St.Martin and would like to get it looked at/serviced there. Does anyone have a current recommendation (post Irma) of machinist/motor shop. I searched the group the best I could.

Thanks in advance

Chuck

Joy SM2K #388


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main Sail Furling Motor Issue

Chuck_Kim_Joy
 

Thank Eric. I'll look into fkg they have a good rep. We'll pop over and introduce ourselves when we're in if you're still around. 
Chuck 
SM2K #388

On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 12:26 PM 'Kimberlite' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I would try Electec, Budget marine or Island water world..

If you need a machine shop FKG is the place to go. However Electec specializes in electrical things.

 

They are all in in Cole bay.

When do you expect to arrive in St Maarten.

All of these shops are on the Dutch side.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 8:18 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main Sail Furling Motor Issue

 

 

Greetings All and Happy New Year

My mainsail furling motor froze up good. I tested the power supply and solenoids look good. Dropped the motor down and motor does not turn by hand either. I am on my way to St.Martin and would like to get it looked at/serviced there. Does anyone have a current recommendation (post Irma) of machinist/motor shop. I searched the group the best I could.

Thanks in advance

Chuck

Joy SM2K #388


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main Sail Furling Motor Issue

Craig Briggs
 


Hi Chuck, 
Eric has answered your question but since you've already got the motor removed from the mast you might try putting 24v to the wires from a different source, which could inform as to whether you've got an internal electrical failure (brushes, windings, dirty commutator) or a mechanical one (bearings, loose/cracked magnets). These are pretty easy to disassemble and you might find an easy fix. 

I assume 1.) when you say the solenoids look good that means you verified you do have 24v at the motor wires themselves (not just at the output of the solenoids) after you removed the motor and 2.) that "it does not turn by hand" means it's really frozen, ie., after removing the motor from the reduction gear you put a pliers on the output shaft of the motor and it won't budge at all, That certainly sounds like a mechanical issue such as a corroded bearing or broken magnet, which are simple fixes.

Good luck with it - would be curious for you to post what the actual failure was after you fix it.
Cheers, Craig Briggs SN68 Sangaris

---In amelyachtowners@..., <kimberlite@...> wrote :

I would try Electec, Budget marine or Island water world..

If you need a machine shop FKG is the place to go. However Electec specializes in electrical things.

 

They are all in in Cole bay.

When do you expect to arrive in St Maarten.

All of these shops are on the Dutch side.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 8:18 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main Sail Furling Motor Issue

 

 

Greetings All and Happy New Year

My mainsail furling motor froze up good. I tested the power supply and solenoids look good. Dropped the motor down and motor does not turn by hand either. I am on my way to St.Martin and would like to get it looked at/serviced there. Does anyone have a current recommendation (post Irma) of machinist/motor shop. I searched the group the best I could.

Thanks in advance

Chuck

Joy SM2K #388


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main Sail Furling Motor Issue

eric freedman
 

I would try Electec, Budget marine or Island water world..

If you need a machine shop FKG is the place to go. However Electec specializes in electrical things.

 

They are all in in Cole bay.

When do you expect to arrive in St Maarten.

All of these shops are on the Dutch side.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 8:18 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main Sail Furling Motor Issue

 

 

Greetings All and Happy New Year

My mainsail furling motor froze up good. I tested the power supply and solenoids look good. Dropped the motor down and motor does not turn by hand either. I am on my way to St.Martin and would like to get it looked at/serviced there. Does anyone have a current recommendation (post Irma) of machinist/motor shop. I searched the group the best I could.

Thanks in advance

Chuck

Joy SM2K #388


Re: Replacement of vinyl wall and ceiling covering on Amel Sharki

greatketch@...
 

Having redone headliners before, my favorite product was the upholstery fabric "NaugaSoft"  It comes is a variety of colors, it very tough and robust, it has a nice "hand,"  it stretches a bit so it is easy to work around turns and compound curves, and, while it is not cheap, it is not insanely expensive either.

It does NOT have the foam backing, and I always considered that a significant plus since disintegration of that foam layer was usually the reason for needing a new headliner.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
North Bimini, Bahamas