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Re: Fuel Bladders

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Hi Bob

Good to hear from you, and we trust you are doing well. I remember that Easter Sunday in 2019 very well when we chatted at Bequia. We had decided last minute on waking up that day not to spend another season in the Caribbean, and to sail directly to Panama departing that same day as it enabled us to transit the canal still in early May, plus sail all the Pacific Islands which we had not sailed before, plus still make it all the way back to Australia before COVID struck.

In answer to your question, we did not ever actually need all the extra 200L of fuel but always had emptied all of it into our tank before reaching our destinations. 

Please note we only filled those Jerry cans ahead of our longer trips and before spending 4 months in Indonesia (just in case) so 90% of the time they were empty on board in the locker and cleaned & dried out. Since we spent 4 months in Indonesia in many off the beaten tracks remote locations, where fuel was often black in colour, full of sticks, hairs and lots of dirt, and sold in old coke bottles on the side of the road from very dodgy suppliers we also filled all cans with good clean fuel in Australia, and so needed very little fuel all the way through till Singapore.

Having endured fuel issues on a previous yacht in Sydney Harbour and then almost been swept into a major car bridge in swift-running currents due to a fuel-related engine failure at the most difficult moment possible, I had become extremely cautious regarding fuel and so had fitted both dual Racor filters PLUS a large Fuel Polishing Unit ahead of leaving on our around the world trip. In addition, we also carried a portable WestMarine fuel filter and filtered all fuel when pouring from Jerry Cans into the main tanks, and then also periodically ran our large automatic fuel polisher to turn over all fuel in the main tank. This could rightly be seen by many here as overkill, however, that extra precaution, plus over-servicing the engine myself with good quality oils far more often than the engine manual suggested,  helped Lauren and I sleep better fortunately our little Yanmar 75HP always purred away happily all the way around the world never missing a beat.

Although we didn't ever need all that fuel I would do exactly the same again if we ever do another big lap.

Regards

Colin Streeter
ex Island Pearl II
Brisbane


On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 12:27 AM rossirossix4 <rossidesigngroup@...> wrote:
Hi Colin,
Last saw you as you were in your dinghy hanging onto our rail in Bequia to inform me of your decision to immediately move on through The Canal back to Austrailia. 

Just curious--even though you transfer from the cans to the tank when you can--by your calculations, did you ever need the extra fuel you carried?

Bob, KAIMI SM429



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Colin Streeter
0411 016 445


Re: Another secret question...

Jim Anderson
 

May I request to please be included in the list, if someone would wish to email me? I'll add my own, if not already there. capt.anderson"at"gmail"dot"com
Jim Anderson, SM384 Sirena Azul, Seattle


Re: Change of black water valve Amel 54

Alain Durante
 

Dear Arno,

 

Well I just called Amel and he said that does not matter if bronze or stainless as far as the valve is connected to the ground cable.

 

I am using stainless valve in my company and one particular design might be interesting because once it is connected to the tube and the pipe laminated in the hull it will be very easy to change the central part by removing 4 bolts only.

 

Here the link: https://www.bene-inox.com/fr/vanne-3-piece-femelle-1000-lbs-pn63-passage-integral-poignee-cadenassable-inox-316-gaz-npt-58163/

 

I will let you know if easy or not removing the bow thruster.  

 

Cordialement,

 

Alain Durante

Meige / Amel 54

 

De : main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> De la part de Arno Luijten via groups.io
Envoyé : mercredi 7 avril 2021 17:32
À : main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Objet : Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Change of black water valve Amel 54

 

Hi Alain,

I'm not sure about the stainless as the pipe that is laminated in the hull is probably bronze, I'm not sure. In theory the bonding cable to the anodes should protect the assembly but  it is quite the distance to the anodes. I think I would stick to bronze if available but that is more driven by ignorance then anything else.

When I removed the old valve I first removed the hose clamps but I did not try to get the hose off. There is very little room and barb that sits on the valve will rotate inside the hose when rotating the valve. Once the valve is unscrewed it is a bit easier too get the hose off.

I have not yet had the pleasure of removing the bowthruster That is on the list for next year hopefully. Or maybe for the hurricane season when the boat will be stored in Curacao.

Regards,

Arno


Re: Best Video projector for SMs

karkauai
 

I am currently working on this project now.  Wilk post pics and description when I'm finished.
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
St Michaels, MD USA

--
Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243


Re: Change of black water valve Amel 54

Arno Luijten
 

Hi Alain,

I'm not sure about the stainless as the pipe that is laminated in the hull is probably bronze, I'm not sure. In theory the bonding cable to the anodes should protect the assembly but  it is quite the distance to the anodes. I think I would stick to bronze if available but that is more driven by ignorance then anything else.

When I removed the old valve I first removed the hose clamps but I did not try to get the hose off. There is very little room and barb that sits on the valve will rotate inside the hose when rotating the valve. Once the valve is unscrewed it is a bit easier too get the hose off.

I have not yet had the pleasure of removing the bowthruster That is on the list for next year hopefully. Or maybe for the hurricane season when the boat will be stored in Curacao.

Regards,

Arno


Re: Change of black water valve Amel 54

Alain Durante
 

Merci Brent.

 

Cordialement,

 

Alain Durante

Meige / Amel 54

 

De : main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> De la part de Brent Cameron via groups.io
Envoyé : mercredi 7 avril 2021 15:44
À : main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Objet : Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Change of black water valve Amel 54

 

Unfortunately, I’ve had way too much experience with this task and I have found that better than pliers/spanners, or even chain wrenches, are the cheapie “oil filter” type rubber belt wrenches as they don’t mar up the fitting and the small amount of give that they have actually seems to help loosen the joint.  Best of all, they fit really easily into very tight spaces.  I have bought quite a few different types of wrenches (from huge channel lock spanners, to pipe wrenches to chain wrenches over the years but to get into some really tight spaces and these are the ones I keep in my portable plumbing toolbox now as I haven’t found big nuts/valves that I couldn’t loosen with them.  The price is right too ($5).  They also work well for oil filters!  

https://www.harborfreight.com/rubber-strap-wrench-set-2-pc-69373.html

I have had a few fittings that I really had to jump on to get off, and in those instances (before I thought to try these), I used a chain version of these but find that they don’t fit into as tight spaces, so I leave them on the wall rack in my workshop.  
https://www.princessauto.com/en/chain-oil-filter-wrench/product/PA0008248353

 

Brent

On Apr 7, 2021, 7:31 AM -0400, Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...>, wrote:

Hi Alain,

Yes I do. Not a plesant memory I can say. You will need to find a tool (pliers/spanner) that can give you some leverage to turn the old valve off. I removed the lever first to use the remaining stub to get some grip on the old valve. Long arms are very welcome. And you will get bruises that are somewhat painfull.
I used Locktite Thread sealant to mount the new one. The tread is a straight thread. Try to get a bronze valve if you can. That can be very hard as not many shops sell them.

Just expect a struggle getting the old one off. You may be lucky and get it off more easy then I did. Do not forget to clean the threads with a wire-brush before putting on the new one.


Good luck!

Arno Luijten,
SV Luna,
A54-121


--
Brent Cameron

Future Amel Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada


Re: Change of black water valve Amel 54

Alain Durante
 

Dear Mark,

 

Thank you very much for your explanations and great advices.

 

I like your first paragraph 😊

 

The Groco valve is also interesting but do you remember the size because I am not currently on the boat?

 

Cordialement,

 

Alain Durante

 

Amel 54 / Meige

 

 

De : main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> De la part de Mark & Debbie Mueller via groups.io
Envoyé : mercredi 7 avril 2021 16:48
À : main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Objet : Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Change of black water valve Amel 54

 

I have changed the valve on the aft head.  My advice to any 54 owner needing to change the aft head valve is to sail to an Amel service center and pay them to change that valve.

 

Before you start be sure to flush a large quantity of water and water with Clorox through the tank allowing it to drain thoroughly.

 

The valve will normally have an overlay of fiberglass between the valve and the stub in the hull that should be removed before trying to unscrew the valve.  I used a Dremel tool to slowly remove the fiberglass; use caution not to damage the threaded nipple that screws into the valve.  Arno does not overstate the fact that you will get bruises and abrasions when doing this job.

 

In my case removing the valve required a standard pipe wrench to get the needed leverage.  Due to the restricted space I unscrewed the valve from the stub in the boat allowing the hose barb to rotate in the hose then unscrewed the valve from the fitting in the hose.  Even warming the hose with a heat gun to make it more pliable I was unable to remove it from the hose barb first.  I then removed the hose barb.  Assembly began by putting the valve on the stub first then assembling the hose barb and hose.  Take a look at the space you have to figure out a plan.  It would be advisable to have an assistant with you to hand you tools.  In my case I left the head in place so I could lay on it and reach back into the cavity, in the front head it might be easier to remove it to have a little bit bigger area to work.

 

Take a look at this valve by Groco.  The unique feature is the grease zerk that will allow you to periodically grease the ball to prevent sticking.

 

https://www.groco.net/products/valves-seacocks/inline-valves/ibv-series-bspp-thread


--
Mark Mueller
Brass Ring  A54


Re: Change of black water valve Amel 54

Mark & Debbie Mueller
 

I have changed the valve on the aft head.  My advice to any 54 owner needing to change the aft head valve is to sail to an Amel service center and pay them to change that valve.

 

Before you start be sure to flush a large quantity of water and water with Clorox through the tank allowing it to drain thoroughly.

 

The valve will normally have an overlay of fiberglass between the valve and the stub in the hull that should be removed before trying to unscrew the valve.  I used a Dremel tool to slowly remove the fiberglass; use caution not to damage the threaded nipple that screws into the valve.  Arno does not overstate the fact that you will get bruises and abrasions when doing this job.

 

In my case removing the valve required a standard pipe wrench to get the needed leverage.  Due to the restricted space I unscrewed the valve from the stub in the boat allowing the hose barb to rotate in the hose then unscrewed the valve from the fitting in the hose.  Even warming the hose with a heat gun to make it more pliable I was unable to remove it from the hose barb first.  I then removed the hose barb.  Assembly began by putting the valve on the stub first then assembling the hose barb and hose.  Take a look at the space you have to figure out a plan.  It would be advisable to have an assistant with you to hand you tools.  In my case I left the head in place so I could lay on it and reach back into the cavity, in the front head it might be easier to remove it to have a little bit bigger area to work.

 

Take a look at this valve by Groco.  The unique feature is the grease zerk that will allow you to periodically grease the ball to prevent sticking.

 

https://www.groco.net/products/valves-seacocks/inline-valves/ibv-series-bspp-thread


--
Mark Mueller
Brass Ring  A54


Re: Fuel Bladders

 

Bob,

For ocean crossings, we carried almost 200 liters of extra fuel in jerry cans in the port side deck locker. We never needed any of it and the lowest our 600-liter fuel tank got was about 1/2 full.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 9:27 AM rossirossix4 <rossidesigngroup@...> wrote:
Hi Colin,
Last saw you as you were in your dinghy hanging onto our rail in Bequia to inform me of your decision to immediately move on through The Canal back to Austrailia. 

Just curious--even though you transfer from the cans to the tank when you can--by your calculations, did you ever need the extra fuel you carried?

Bob, KAIMI SM429


Re: Fuel Bladders

rossirossix4
 

Hi Colin,
Last saw you as you were in your dinghy hanging onto our rail in Bequia to inform me of your decision to immediately move on through The Canal back to Austrailia. 

Just curious--even though you transfer from the cans to the tank when you can--by your calculations, did you ever need the extra fuel you carried?

Bob, KAIMI SM429


Re: Change of black water valve Amel 54

Brent Cameron
 

Unfortunately, I’ve had way too much experience with this task and I have found that better than pliers/spanners, or even chain wrenches, are the cheapie “oil filter” type rubber belt wrenches as they don’t mar up the fitting and the small amount of give that they have actually seems to help loosen the joint.  Best of all, they fit really easily into very tight spaces.  I have bought quite a few different types of wrenches (from huge channel lock spanners, to pipe wrenches to chain wrenches over the years but to get into some really tight spaces and these are the ones I keep in my portable plumbing toolbox now as I haven’t found big nuts/valves that I couldn’t loosen with them.  The price is right too ($5).  They also work well for oil filters!  

https://www.harborfreight.com/rubber-strap-wrench-set-2-pc-69373.html

I have had a few fittings that I really had to jump on to get off, and in those instances (before I thought to try these), I used a chain version of these but find that they don’t fit into as tight spaces, so I leave them on the wall rack in my workshop.  
https://www.princessauto.com/en/chain-oil-filter-wrench/product/PA0008248353

Brent

On Apr 7, 2021, 7:31 AM -0400, Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...>, wrote:

Hi Alain,

Yes I do. Not a plesant memory I can say. You will need to find a tool (pliers/spanner) that can give you some leverage to turn the old valve off. I removed the lever first to use the remaining stub to get some grip on the old valve. Long arms are very welcome. And you will get bruises that are somewhat painfull.
I used Locktite Thread sealant to mount the new one. The tread is a straight thread. Try to get a bronze valve if you can. That can be very hard as not many shops sell them.

Just expect a struggle getting the old one off. You may be lucky and get it off more easy then I did. Do not forget to clean the threads with a wire-brush before putting on the new one.


Good luck!

Arno Luijten,
SV Luna,
A54-121


--
Brent Cameron

Future Amel Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada


Re: Another secret question...

Brian Gifford
 

Is there a similar spot on the Maramu?
I asked the previous owner of my boat but they didn't know. I've been on the hunt for a good spot but I haven't found one yet.

BrianG701@...
--
Brian Gifford
Maramu #243
"Jamesby"
Windward/ Leeward Is.


Re: Best Video projector for SMs

Robert Linley
 

Try a Mirroir projector. I use mine at home, on patio and on boat. Easy set up and will stream from PC, ipad or stick. 




On Apr 7, 2021, at 8:05 AM, Jose Venegas via groups.io <josegvenegas@...> wrote:

We installed an Epson proyector in that spot that my son gave us as a present
The image is excellent and fills a large  screen hanging at the level of back rest of the couch
We connected the sound to a Bose system and it feels like a movie theater
If I was starting from scratch I would find a proyector  that gave a smaller image but it was a present and it is great to watch movies






Re: Best Video projector for SMs

Jose Venegas
 

We installed an Epson proyector in that spot that my son gave us as a present
The image is excellent and fills a large screen hanging at the level of back rest of the couch
We connected the sound to a Bose system and it feels like a movie theater
If I was starting from scratch I would find a proyector that gave a smaller image but it was a present and it is great to watch movies


Re: Change of black water valve Amel 54

Alain Durante
 

Bonjour Arno,

 

Thank you very much for your reply and indeed not so much space to work.

 

Anyway, the boat is going to be on the yard from next week so I will let you know my progress 😊

 

What about a stainless valve instead of bronze knowing that most of the time the valve in not in the water?

 

Also, I need to change the gasket of the bow thruster tube and read some people had difficulty to remove the  tube from the electric motor. Did you already made such maintenance?

 

Cordialement,

 

Alain Durante

 

A54 – 21

Meige

 

 

De : main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> De la part de Arno Luijten via groups.io
Envoyé : mercredi 7 avril 2021 13:31
À : main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Objet : Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Change of black water valve Amel 54

 

Hi Alain,

Yes I do. Not a plesant memory I can say. You will need to find a tool (pliers/spanner) that can give you some leverage to turn the old valve off. I removed the lever first to use the remaining stub to get some grip on the old valve. Long arms are very welcome. And you will get bruises that are somewhat painfull.
I used Locktite Thread sealant to mount the new one. The tread is a straight thread. Try to get a bronze valve if you can. That can be very hard as not many shops sell them. 

Just expect a struggle getting the old one off. You may be lucky and get it off more easy then I did. Do not forget to clean the threads with a wire-brush before putting on the new one. 


Good luck!

Arno Luijten,
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: Change of black water valve Amel 54

Arno Luijten
 

Hi Alain,

Yes I do. Not a plesant memory I can say. You will need to find a tool (pliers/spanner) that can give you some leverage to turn the old valve off. I removed the lever first to use the remaining stub to get some grip on the old valve. Long arms are very welcome. And you will get bruises that are somewhat painfull.
I used Locktite Thread sealant to mount the new one. The tread is a straight thread. Try to get a bronze valve if you can. That can be very hard as not many shops sell them. 

Just expect a struggle getting the old one off. You may be lucky and get it off more easy then I did. Do not forget to clean the threads with a wire-brush before putting on the new one. 


Good luck!

Arno Luijten,
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: Fuel Bladders

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Hi Eric

Yes, indeed your fixed tank idea is a far better idea, and I was aware of it from you before we set off around the world but too late for us to have enough time to get this done before leaving.

With our system, we always emptied the cans from the liferaft locker immediately as soon as we had created enough space in the main tank and whenever we had suitably calm conditions to do so to ensure the best possible stability. This was never a problem and we became quite skilled at doing so without spilling even a drop of fuel ... however ... of course, a nice easy electric pump system from your fixed tanks would be so much nicer to have.

The one possible advantage of our jerry can system (for us) though was that we very seldom ever trusted filling up directly from the fuel stations into our main tank during our circumnavigation as we always filtered all fuel first, unless in some French or UK territories, and so mostly did so via jerry cans anyway. Certainly, most of our fuel was sourced from normal "on-land" motor vehicle fuel stations via Jerry Can and Dinghy travel and so we would still have needed to store 10 empty cans somewhere anyway with your system.

Colin Streeter
ex SM2K - Island Pearl II
Brisbane 



On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 8:31 PM eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi Colin,

Instead of dealing with 9 jerry cans , why not have a pair of tanks fitted to the locker as we have done .

We use an electric pump to empty the tanks. That is much easier than having to deal with a jerry can in rolling sea. The reason I had 2 tanks fitted is that

you cannot fit one big 80-gallon tank through the hatch. Also, each tank is separate. In case of a major leak or contamination you will still have 80 gallons of good fuel.

Fair Winds,

Eric

Sm 376 Kimberlite

 



--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445


Fuel Bladders

eric freedman
 

Hi Colin,

Instead of dealing with 9 jerry cans , why not have a pair of tanks fitted to the locker as we have done .

We use an electric pump to empty the tanks. That is much easier than having to deal with a jerry can in rolling sea. The reason I had 2 tanks fitted is that

you cannot fit one big 80-gallon tank through the hatch. Also, each tank is separate. In case of a major leak or contamination you will still have 80 gallons of good fuel.

Fair Winds,

Eric

Sm 376 Kimberlite

 

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Best Video projector for SMs

Brian Riggs
 
Edited

Hello Amel SM 2000 Owners,

Since I am only an Amel hopeful in the next few short years, I almost never post. I do however read everything you post.

While I am still bound to the land, I'm interested in purchasing a video projector that will work for both the house and the yacht. In the SM2000, there is a small storage area directly above the two drawers at the center of the dinette port side where the projector could me placed to aim at a retractable screen hung over the settee to starboard. I My questen are as follows:

1. What is the length, height and depth of the little storage area above the two drawers above and port of the dinette?
2. As owners, what are your thoughts about this? Have you found other solutions better than this plan? (I specifically don't want to mount a television to the bulkhead wall.)

I appreciate any feedback you may have.

Very respectfully,
Brian K. Riggs
Future Amel Owner


Re: Fuel Bladders

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Everyone will have different reasons for carrying so much fuel, and of course, this could be very different now due to some exceptional COVID related issues (for example, a close friend of ours recently had to sail directly across the Pacific all the way from Panama to Bundaberg, Australia) ....but for those just setting off and/or preparing to circumnavigate in an Amel SM, 54 or 55, rest assured that you will mostly find that with both your generous main tank fuel capacity, plus say 9 x 23L jerry cans (in our case all in the life-raft locker of the SM), you should have much more fuel than you would need for all the longest legs, even with many mild to windless days, and even with the occasional need potentially to run for many hours at very high revs to get away from the odd suspect pirate "fishing" boats who may try to catch you in certain areas.

We circumnavigated on an Amel SM2000 with the above setup between 2017 and 2020, always with plenty of fuel leftover even on all the longest stretches, with many days of zero to 10kts of wind in the South Atlantic and Pacific, plus in the North Indian Ocean (Thailand to the Maldives leg).

Colin Streeter
ex SM2K Island Pearl II
Brisbane, Australia

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 3:48 AM Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

I ask this more out of curiosity than anything else. What are people opinions of fuel bladders for excess diesel on longer passages?

 

I have seen some conversations where owners have bladders atop the aft cabin and lashed to the hand rails. To me, this seems like it would be a lot of weight in the wrong place. How does the fuel not cause a greater angle of heel and, the bigger question,  are the hand-hold railings strong enough to hold the weight of potentially shifting diesel (0.832kg/litre)?

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 



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Colin Streeter
0411 016 445

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