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Re: Original Autopilot Integration With New Chartplotter

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Richard,
I guess that's why the make chocolate and vanilla 

Cheers, Craig


---In amelyachtowners@..., <middleton@...> wrote :

Hi Craig, I’ve kept my boat simple. No radar at all. My only chartplotter is Navionics on my iPad. Navionics cannot display the AIS. Instead the AIS displays on Vespers own app. So it isn’t very integrated. (No radar because I do a lot of single-handed passages, and I see radar as a distraction - I’d rather spend my limited resources on other watch keeping activities. I’d rather have AIS than radar.)
Regards Richard M


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Cable routing 1988 Maramu 46

Graham Cresswell <grahamjcresswell@...>
 

Thank you to everyone who answered this and for the wiring diagram. 

I cannot believe how stupid I have been!  For some reason for which I
can't account, I was convinced that the "AR" circuit breaker in the aft
heads was for the air-conditioning system, which we never use.  It turns
out that it is indeed the circuit breaker for the aft cabin electrics as
several of you have said. 

Needless to say, once it was made, all the lights work again! 

I'm sorry that I have wasted your time. 

Kind regards and thanks

Graham

Jamesby
Maramu 46 #240


shaft seals

hodginsbob@...
 

Can someone please remind me of the dimensions of the 3 shaft seals that go on the Wear Out Bearing? I am not on the boat, but want to order spares to take back with me.

Bob
Gallivant
Amel 54 #31



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Cable routing 1988 Maramu 46

 

Graham,

I believe that it is not possible to answer your question because Amel made changes to all model boats during each model's production years, and because no person in this group actually knows what previous owners did to your boat. Trust me on the latter. I have been aboard many different models and models with different years of production, going to where I absolutely knew something should be, only to find it either totally missing or replaced with something else.

It is risky to compare one Amel model to the same model, especially when they are old enough to have been owned by several owners, some of whom either didn't care, or didn't know how to maintain it.

I am sure with patience you will resolve your issue. If not, find a recommended electrician.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Mon, Dec 10, 2018, 06:11 claysparkes@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

Am I correct that there is a breaker in the aft head?


Re: Cable routing 1988 Maramu 46

rossny@mail.com
 

Yes, there was a breaker on the wall above the head installed by Amel in my 1989 Maramu, mine had an outlet installed with it on the same mounting plate if I remember correctly. The back of the breaker was exposed on my boat in the storage area and may have had the wires disturbed when using the storage bins, it may be a spade connector come loose. Most of the wiring going for to aft was contained in PVC tubing run behind the carpeting, you should see a bump running under the shelf or support against the hull under the hull insulating carpet. There is at least two runs / pipes and individual wires exit at various points for devices on eah side of the boat. Good luck, Ross (still in NY...hi all)


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Original Autopilot Integration With New Chartplotter

Alan Leslie
 

Rule 5 says :

Every vessel shall at all times maintain a proper look out by sight and hearing .....

How can you do that if you're not at least in the cockpit, or better, at the helm ?

Dangerous not to comply with this rule.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Original Autopilot Integration With New Chartplotter

greatketch@...
 

Not just BAD advice in practice, but illegal as well.  

The ColRegs require you to use "all available means" to avoid collision.  If you are on a boat and are involved in any kind of incident and the installed radar was not turned on, you ARE at fault. This is not a theoretical legal issue, but one that every USCG incident investigator knows and understands.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, FL, USA



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Original Autopilot Integration With New Chartplotter

Mark Erdos
 

Craig,

 

Below is really bad advice. Please don’t sail this way. It is irresponsible.

 

On Cream Puff we run radar at night (even in a full moon) and have a Class A AIS that overlays onto our NobelTec Time Zero Navigation Computer and chart display (of which we have a mirror backup system). The AIS has an alarm and sounds until silenced when any target is within five miles. Any vessel with a 2 mile CPA or less we hail via VHF to ensure we are both aware of each other’s COG and discuss who may alter course if needed to ensure we pass safely. i.e.  recently asked a large freighter to adjust 10 degrees to port since we had 40 knot winds and the captain was very accommodating and saved us from having to tack (we were willing to tack, and we had the right of way, but his flexibility was greatly appreciated).

 

I just cannot imagine sailing with my eyes closed. That is just plain crazy.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 9, 2018 6:34 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Original Autopilot Integration With New Chartplotter

 

 

Hi Craig, I’ve kept my boat simple. No radar at all. My only chartplotter is Navionics on my iPad. Navionics cannot display the AIS.. Instead the AIS displays on Vespers own app. So it isn’t very integrated. (No radar because I do a lot of single-handed passages, and I see radar as a distraction - I’d rather spend my limited resources on other watch keeping activities. I’d rather have AIS than radar.)
Regards Richard M


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Original Autopilot Integration With New Chartplotter

 

Jeff,

Exactly. And, who better to make this point. You are the only member of the Amel Owners Group that is also a lifelong commercial fisherman owning more than one boat, and experienced a loss.

I believe in owning and using commonly available technology to reduce Risk of damage of property and physical injury which may occur on my boat, or others involved. I also believe 100% of Marine Insurance companies believe the same. Today, I believe that in a collision, you would be liable for physical loss and personal injuries, if you choose to navigate without Radar, VHF, and an AIS transceiver.

And, just a reminder, anything any member posts in this group is publicly accessible by interested parties, such as your insurance carrier. I am sure they will not bother to access this information unless you have a loss.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Sun, Dec 9, 2018, 15:53 JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

Richard,
If you sail in any areas north of South Carolina, you must be aware that there is an awful lot of fishing activities, long line, draggers, fish/lobster pot fisherman. These vessels range in size from 32 on up, many in the 50-65 foot range. Commercial fisherman ARE NOT required to transmit an AIS signal unless they exceed 65'.
Many draggers and pot fisherman will be engaged in activities that, to a person unfamiliar with their work and how the boats may vary their speeds, stop, turn around, and make movements that seem arbitrary, all without transmitting an AIS signal.
I personally encountered a dragger fleet off the NC coast one night, no fun figuring out what they were, and what they were up to. Often they're too busy to repond to a call, or often, don't give a crap to get back to you. They do have right of way (vessel restricted in ability to maneuver), and they will take advantage of that .
If you would prefer to keep radar off your boat, good luck. 
I might add, dense fog banks will appear out of nowhere, in many areas north of 35N. Many folks don't tune their radar until it's too late. Without having it tuned, you will may feel a sense of FALSE security until it's too late. 
There is, I firmly believe, a law of the ocean, 2 boats on the ocean will find each other. Spend enough time on the ocean, and you'll become a believer of this law.
Best advise, believe it, and take steps to help yourself avoid it's ramifications.

Best,
Jeff Spirit Amel 54 #14


On Sun, Dec 09, 2018 at 05:33 PM, Richard Middleton middleton@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Hi Craig, I’ve kept my boat simple. No radar at all. My only chartplotter is Navionics on my iPad. Navionics cannot display the AIS... Instead the AIS displays on Vespers own app. So it isn’t very integrated. (No radar because I do a lot of single-handed passages, and I see radar as a distraction - I’d rather spend my limited resources on other watch keeping activities. I’d rather have AIS than radar.)
Regards Richard M


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Original Autopilot Integration With New Chartplotter

JEFFREY KRAUS
 


Re: Original Autopilot Integration With New Chartplotter

Richard Middleton <middleton@...>
 

Hi Craig, I’ve kept my boat simple. No radar at all. My only chartplotter is Navionics on my iPad. Navionics cannot display the AIS. Instead the AIS displays on Vespers own app. So it isn’t very integrated. (No radar because I do a lot of single-handed passages, and I see radar as a distraction - I’d rather spend my limited resources on other watch keeping activities. I’d rather have AIS than radar.)
Regards Richard M


Re: Amel54 SSB installation

Dean Gillies
 

Thank you Roque and Nick.
Much appreciated.

Sent from my iPhone X


Re: Original Autopilot Integration With New Chartplotter

Craig Briggs
 

C&G,
I've got the B&G NAIS400 (2 years old) and it does, indeed, like the newer 500 model, have its own GPS, as you note the Vesper does. The GPS antenna is a "mushroom" dome which I've mounted on the dashboard and that can be selected as the system source of GPS, although I get great reception from the built in GPS's on the Zeus's (7" on dash (-9" would be a bit better) and 12" below).

I've got got a dedicated AIS (NAIS) antenna on the mizzen. Have never noticed any issue with limited range, although I've not got a comparison of a main mast mounted antenna.

Sounds like you've got an excellent plan. Th Zeus 12" below is a great supplement to the cockpit unit.and fits the hole for the old Radar - I did need to replace the mounting bracket knobs with hex head bolts and have to slide the adjacent panels out a bit before removing the radar - not a big deal.

Certainly a tablet would do the trick and may be even a little more convenient as you can be anywhere and do all that you could with the Zeus 12", except autopilot, but you're not going to do that from below anyway.

Best piece of our system is the Wireless Remote Bluetooth Autopilot Controller (WR10/BT-1 ). We rarely sit at the helm any more and just sit comfortably around the cockpit using a small tablet to check the chart, or just pop up now and then and scan the MFD. We've also got a Triton 10 and the H5000 displays in the holes of the old sytem, so we can see the key items like depth, speed and wind from a distance, as The Captain intended. :-)

With 20-20 hindsight I think I'd get a different brand VHF. The B&G is a bit clunky to operate with odd button sequences and ours kept jumping to a weather station by itself, which required a factory replacement, although that is likely an isolated incident. That the handset is wireless is great, and that is available in other brands.

Odds and ends: I see they now have a wireless masthead unit and a paddlewhee-less speed transducer, which looks interesting if you're building the system from scratch.

Cheers, Craig SN68


---In amelyachtowners@..., <carpathia3@...> wrote :

Many thanks for your advice, Alan, Mark, Craig, AIan and Richard, very helpful.


Mark and Ian: I am tempted by the redundancy of a second antenna, but does the 5m difference in height make any noticeable difference for the AIS transponder? I guess this should be compared with the loss coming from the splitter. Again, assuming this makes any difference at all.


Craig, I should have been more precise: the Vesper AIS I intend to buy is the XB8000, which is indeed blackbox, no screen. Preference over the NAIS500 because it has GPS, again for redundancy. I want to install a Zeus3 9” MFD at the helm and will view the AIS info on the Zeus. At some stage later, replace the Furuno radar by a B&G 4G. For chart table visualisation of all NMEA2000 info, I would start with tablet through wifi from the Zeus (any counter advice there?) to save the immediate expense of a second MFD. Plus a computer connection from the USB port of the Vesper.


There is the Paris boat show starting this weekend, so will follow your advice and approach a couple of manufacturers, probably B&G and Garmin. Indeed a fun project! I have developed a tentative multi-year evolution plan, but am sure to have many more questions!


Cheers,


Cathy & Guillaume

s/v Carpathia III – SM2K #293

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel54 SSB installation

Roque
 

Nick is right! 

Mizzen Backstay: 7 mm and 15025mm 

Em dom, 9 de dez de 2018 às 05:34, Nick Newington ngtnewington@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> escreveu:

 

Hi Dean,


I just checked, the mizzen backstay is 7mm 1X19. Not sure on the length but about 15m. The expense is not an extra metre or two of wire but the fittings especially the two insulators. 

I just came back home from a quick visit to Amelia and had a wonder around the marina. Very few sailing boats use whip antenna’s. It is a motor boat thing normally. I noticed a few quality yachts such as an Oyster 56 and a very smart Dutch aluminium proper voyaging boat, built for high latitude sailing. They both used the same insulated backstay system for their HF radios as I use on Amelia.

Nick

Amelia hull 019 Aml 54 La Palma
On 9 Dec 2018, at 01:08, trifin@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi folks,
Can anyone please advise (or point me to a resource) about the length and wire gauge of the Amel 54 backstay. I’m still considering whether to use a starboard backstay or whip antenna!

Many thanks
Dean
SY Stella
A54#154



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel54 SSB installation

ngtnewington Newington
 

Hi Dean,

I just checked, the mizzen backstay is 7mm 1X19. Not sure on the length but about 15m. The expense is not an extra metre or two of wire but the fittings especially the two insulators. 

I just came back home from a quick visit to Amelia and had a wonder around the marina. Very few sailing boats use whip antenna’s. It is a motor boat thing normally. I noticed a few quality yachts such as an Oyster 56 and a very smart Dutch aluminium proper voyaging boat, built for high latitude sailing. They both used the same insulated backstay system for their HF radios as I use on Amelia.

Nick

Amelia hull 019 Aml 54 La Palma

On 9 Dec 2018, at 01:08, trifin@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi folks,
Can anyone please advise (or point me to a resource) about the length and wire gauge of the Amel 54 backstay. I’m still considering whether to use a starboard backstay or whip antenna!

Many thanks
Dean
SY Stella
A54#154



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel54 SSB installation

ngtnewington Newington
 

Dean, you are referring to the mizzen backstay I assume?
if so it is not 10mm, more like 7mm.
I will check my records

Nick


On 9 Dec 2018, at 02:03, Roque Reis ediroque@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi

According to Owner Manual:

Diameter: 10mm
lengh. Total. 19645 mm

Rgds

Roque

Attika  A54 # 117
Paraty

Em sáb, 8 de dez de 2018 às 23:36, trifin@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> escreveu:
 

Hi folks,
Can anyone please advise (or point me to a resource) about the length and wire gauge of the Amel 54 backstay. I’m still considering whether to use a starboard backstay or whip antenna!

Many thanks
Dean
SY Stella
A54#154


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel54 SSB installation

Roque
 

Hi

According to Owner Manual:

Diameter: 10mm
lengh. Total. 19645 mm

Rgds

Roque

Attika  A54 # 117
Paraty

Em sáb, 8 de dez de 2018 às 23:36, trifin@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> escreveu:

 

Hi folks,
Can anyone please advise (or point me to a resource) about the length and wire gauge of the Amel 54 backstay. I’m still considering whether to use a starboard backstay or whip antenna!

Many thanks
Dean
SY Stella
A54#154


Re: Amel54 SSB installation

Dean Gillies
 

Hi folks,
Can anyone please advise (or point me to a resource) about the length and wire gauge of the Amel 54 backstay. I’m still considering whether to use a starboard backstay or whip antenna!

Many thanks
Dean
SY Stella
A54#154


Re: Cuba

sbmesasailor
 

We landed in Cienfuegas in May 2017 after fooling around in Jardines de la Reina for a few days to snorkel (prior to checking into the country).  We were unmolested while in Jardines de la Reina and Marlin Marina in Cienfuegas was very nice.  It was small and a little hard to get to but the facilities and management were great.  Customs and immigration were the most thorough we had ever experienced but they were not antagonistic or corrupt (expecting handouts).  We took a road trip to Havana (chartered a taxi which wasn't that expensive) and really enjoyed it.  Our only surprize was how difficult it was to get cash and everything has to be done in cash as Cuba doesn't accept US credit cards and there are no ATM machines.  Take plenty of US dollars to exchange to Cuban pesos  or have plenty of currency converted before you go.

Dennis Johns
Libertad
Maramu 121


Re: Original Autopilot Integration With New Chartplotter

greatketch@...
 

I'll add another vote for a second antenna on the mizzen  I have used an AIS with a splitter and never noticed a performance problem, but having a back up antenna is a good thing.  It is the way Harmonie came to us, and we would not change it.

As for the performance of an AIS antenna at mizzen mast height, that's where ours is.  We routinely see Class A AIS broadcasts from 50 nautical miles away.  Class B broadcasts with their lower power are broadcast power limited, not line of sight.  We expect to see a Class B transmitter by the time it is 10 miles away.  Since we have a Class B transceiver, our expectation is that other vessels will not see us at a range of greater than 10 nautical miles.  This is also not going to be affected by antenna height.  I imagine we could get a little increase in Class B receiving and transmitting range with a higher gain antenna, but probably not doubling it.

While theoretically, an antenna at the mainmast head will increase the receiving range for a Class A AIS, in the real world increasing the range beyond 50 miles, this not likely to be of any real world use. In fact, our MFD can not effectively display AIS targets at that range.

Your instrument upgrade path will can be a fun one!  We are just approaching the end of that path, and it is nice having a system that does everything we want it to do.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, FL, USA