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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main Sail Furling Motor Issue

Craig Briggs
 


Hi Chuck, 
Eric has answered your question but since you've already got the motor removed from the mast you might try putting 24v to the wires from a different source, which could inform as to whether you've got an internal electrical failure (brushes, windings, dirty commutator) or a mechanical one (bearings, loose/cracked magnets). These are pretty easy to disassemble and you might find an easy fix. 

I assume 1.) when you say the solenoids look good that means you verified you do have 24v at the motor wires themselves (not just at the output of the solenoids) after you removed the motor and 2.) that "it does not turn by hand" means it's really frozen, ie., after removing the motor from the reduction gear you put a pliers on the output shaft of the motor and it won't budge at all, That certainly sounds like a mechanical issue such as a corroded bearing or broken magnet, which are simple fixes.

Good luck with it - would be curious for you to post what the actual failure was after you fix it.
Cheers, Craig Briggs SN68 Sangaris

---In amelyachtowners@..., <kimberlite@...> wrote :

I would try Electec, Budget marine or Island water world..

If you need a machine shop FKG is the place to go. However Electec specializes in electrical things.

 

They are all in in Cole bay.

When do you expect to arrive in St Maarten.

All of these shops are on the Dutch side.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 8:18 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main Sail Furling Motor Issue

 

 

Greetings All and Happy New Year

My mainsail furling motor froze up good. I tested the power supply and solenoids look good. Dropped the motor down and motor does not turn by hand either. I am on my way to St.Martin and would like to get it looked at/serviced there. Does anyone have a current recommendation (post Irma) of machinist/motor shop. I searched the group the best I could.

Thanks in advance

Chuck

Joy SM2K #388


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main Sail Furling Motor Issue

eric freedman
 

I would try Electec, Budget marine or Island water world..

If you need a machine shop FKG is the place to go. However Electec specializes in electrical things.

 

They are all in in Cole bay.

When do you expect to arrive in St Maarten.

All of these shops are on the Dutch side.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 8:18 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main Sail Furling Motor Issue

 

 

Greetings All and Happy New Year

My mainsail furling motor froze up good. I tested the power supply and solenoids look good. Dropped the motor down and motor does not turn by hand either. I am on my way to St.Martin and would like to get it looked at/serviced there. Does anyone have a current recommendation (post Irma) of machinist/motor shop. I searched the group the best I could.

Thanks in advance

Chuck

Joy SM2K #388


Re: Replacement of vinyl wall and ceiling covering on Amel Sharki

greatketch@...
 

Having redone headliners before, my favorite product was the upholstery fabric "NaugaSoft"  It comes is a variety of colors, it very tough and robust, it has a nice "hand,"  it stretches a bit so it is easy to work around turns and compound curves, and, while it is not cheap, it is not insanely expensive either.

It does NOT have the foam backing, and I always considered that a significant plus since disintegration of that foam layer was usually the reason for needing a new headliner.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
North Bimini, Bahamas


Main Sail Furling Motor Issue

Chuck_Kim_Joy
 

Greetings All and Happy New Year

My mainsail furling motor froze up good. I tested the power supply and solenoids look good. Dropped the motor down and motor does not turn by hand either. I am on my way to St.Martin and would like to get it looked at/serviced there. Does anyone have a current recommendation (post Irma) of machinist/motor shop. I searched the group the best I could.

Thanks in advance

Chuck

Joy SM2K #388


Re: Replacement of vinyl wall and ceiling covering on Amel Sharki

Ian Park
 

On the heads in my Santorin I replaced the vinyl with plastic shower panels which came in sections to join together. Glued direct to wood.
Ian
Ocean Hobo SN96


Re: Replacement of vinyl wall and ceiling covering on Amel Sharki

carcodespam@...
 

Craig

I guess all boats manufactured at this time not only Amels have problems with the vinyl.
On the back the vinyl has a thin foam which goes to dust after the years and the vinyl does not attach any more. The previous owner of my Sharki has therefore installed everywhere wood strips to attach the vinyl again, see pics.
It is better however to make all new which is of course plenty of work. You will get the needed material anywhere e.g. https://www.gisatex.de/wandverkleidung.html?___store=default&___from_store=english

Gerhard
Sharki #60


Re: VHF issues

n33077@...
 

I had similar problems with my vhf that most of you had. I ended up replacing the antenna wire and antenna. Attenuation ceased and range increased to about 25 nm.

Aras Grinius
SV FIASCO
SHARKI # 163


Re: Fie on Fi

mfmcgovern@...
 

The following is an excerpt from the Google Fi Terms of Service since no one ever actually reads this stuff (https://fi.google.com/about/tos/simple/):  

"The Services are offered only to residents of the United States. The Services must be primarily used in the United States and are not intended for extended international use. Further, the Services are designed for use predominantly within our network. If your usage outside our network is excessive, abnormally high, or cause us to incur too much cost, we may, at our option and sole discretion, suspend your Google Fi account, terminate your service, or limit your use of roaming."

Just something to keep in mind when signing up for Google Fi and planning on using it exclusively internationally.    

I am not out cruising yet, but I just switched to Fi from Verizon and have had no issues for the past 4 months or so travelling throughout North America.

Mark McGovern
Cara SM #440
Deale, MD USA



Replacement of vinyl wall and ceiling covering on Amel Sharki

CAMERON BURNESS
 

We are looking for some ideas on what others have done when they have removed the vinyl that is on the ceilings and some walls on a Sharki.

We had to remove some from the forward cabin when repairing a leak through the front hatch last year.

We are assuming that the vinyl is original based on what we have removed already.

We have decided that we need to do something with rest as well now and therefore looking at what others have done to decide a way forward.

Please advise if you did something different in the head as walls and ceiling are all vinyl on Daal II.

Thanks in advance for your ideas and suggestions


Craig & Cameron Burness

S/V Daal II, 1984, #97


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] VHF issues

Sv Garulfo
 


Thanks all for the information

We checked the connections at the back of the vhf box and at the base of the mast and they looked perfect. 

I will try to swap the ais and vhf antennae at the nav station to see what happens. But as far as people have been telling us, our ais emission range is not much better than our vhf. 
(2 or 3 miles)

I would also be interested is testing with the other antenna at the top of the main mast (and also possibly the other one at the top of the mizzen). 
Does anyone know where i can find the deck end of those, and if they are suitable for vhf/ais usage?


Thanks
Thomas 

GARULFO 
A54-122
San Blas, Panama

On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 at 07:26, trifin@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

That’s good info Mohammad, thank you.
Dean


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] VHF issues

Mark Erdos
 

Repeatedly transmitting on a radio whether it is VHF, SSB or AIS etc. with a poor connection in the cabling to the antenna or a shorted antenna can permanently damage the transmitter.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2019 9:55 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] VHF issues

 

 

We have a similar poor-transmit issue with our AIS antenna.

It does not seem to transmit reliably but receives just fine. This symptom can often be related to a bad connection somewhere.



In troubleshooting, I switched the VHF Antenna and the AIS antenna, and the AIS problem disappeared.

My conclusion was than my VHF antenna and cable run was good, but that my AIS cable was not good.

(I did not attempt to check my VHF radio with the AIS antenna).



I eliminated the cable run from the chart table to the interconnection point at the base of the mizzen by connecting a temporary good cable from the AIS unit to the mizzen base connector (accessed via the light/toiletry-holder in the aft cabin ensuite shower).  However the problem seemed to be further up the mast (probably the top connection I guess).



I have not attempted a repair at the top.  In reality, the AIS transmit functionality is "acceptable" to me, the range seems to be a few miles, and the receive range is much more than that.



So, if you want to try and eliminate antenna/cable related problems, you could swap the AIS antenna into the VHF radio, and vice versa and see if the problem jumps to the AIS.  Its better of course that the VHF antenna is on the main mast for height, but at least this gives you a check ability.



The 54 (mine at least) has 4 identical VHF antennas, two on each mast. However, the AIS and VHF Radio are probably the two which are easiest to swap for test purposes.



Cheers

Dean

A54-154  

     


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] VHF issues

Dean Gillies
 

That’s good info Mohammad, thank you.
Dean


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] VHF issues

redjuliebradley@...
 

It is likely that all of the problems identified are related to the cable and/or their associated connectors than to the antenna itself. The coaxial  cable runs up the inside of the mast and is subject to abrasion and aging issues. Further, there should be a cable connector at the base of the mast that connects the mast cable to the interior boat cable. This connector is necessary so that the mast can be removed without cutting the cable between the radio and antenna. Water can enter the cable thru abrasions or run down the cable in the mast and possibly corrode the terminal.    We found that we had to replace ours six years into our circumnavigation.

Please also make sure that your antenna is electrically grounded to the mast and thus the vessels ground plane system which provides the other half of the antenna system. This is different from the battery ground.  

Glen and Julie Bradley 
SM 209 C'est Assez
Author, Escape from the Ordinary, about Amel circumnavigation 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Book About Amel Circumnavigation

Brent Cameron
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] VHF issues

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Dean;

 

FYI, per my discussions with Olivier, the antenna cable does not have a connection at the top of the mast. The only connection between the VHF and the antenna is at the base of the mast at the ceiling level in the forward starboard cabin.  On Kokomo this connection has a heat shrink around it and when exposed looked new.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2019 5:55 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] VHF issues

 

 

We have a similar poor-transmit issue with our AIS antenna.

It does not seem to transmit reliably but receives just fine. This symptom can often be related to a bad connection somewhere.



In troubleshooting, I switched the VHF Antenna and the AIS antenna, and the AIS problem disappeared.

My conclusion was than my VHF antenna and cable run was good, but that my AIS cable was not good.

(I did not attempt to check my VHF radio with the AIS antenna).



I eliminated the cable run from the chart table to the interconnection point at the base of the mizzen by connecting a temporary good cable from the AIS unit to the mizzen base connector (accessed via the light/toiletry-holder in the aft cabin ensuite shower).  However the problem seemed to be further up the mast (probably the top connection I guess).



I have not attempted a repair at the top.  In reality, the AIS transmit functionality is "acceptable" to me, the range seems to be a few miles, and the receive range is much more than that.



So, if you want to try and eliminate antenna/cable related problems, you could swap the AIS antenna into the VHF radio, and vice versa and see if the problem jumps to the AIS.  Its better of course that the VHF antenna is on the main mast for height, but at least this gives you a check ability.



The 54 (mine at least) has 4 identical VHF antennas, two on each mast. However, the AIS and VHF Radio are probably the two which are easiest to swap for test purposes.



Cheers

Dean

A54-154  

     


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] VHF issues

Dean Gillies
 

We have a similar poor-transmit issue with our AIS antenna.
It does not seem to transmit reliably but receives just fine. This symptom can often be related to a bad connection somewhere.

In troubleshooting, I switched the VHF Antenna and the AIS antenna, and the AIS problem disappeared.
My conclusion was than my VHF antenna and cable run was good, but that my AIS cable was not good.
(I did not attempt to check my VHF radio with the AIS antenna).

I eliminated the cable run from the chart table to the interconnection point at the base of the mizzen by connecting a temporary good cable from the AIS unit to the mizzen base connector (accessed via the light/toiletry-holder in the aft cabin ensuite shower).  However the problem seemed to be further up the mast (probably the top connection I guess).

I have not attempted a repair at the top.  In reality, the AIS transmit functionality is "acceptable" to me, the range seems to be a few miles, and the receive range is much more than that.

So, if you want to try and eliminate antenna/cable related problems, you could swap the AIS antenna into the VHF radio, and vice versa and see if the problem jumps to the AIS.  Its better of course that the VHF antenna is on the main mast for height, but at least this gives you a check ability.

The 54 (mine at least) has 4 identical VHF antennas, two on each mast. However, the AIS and VHF Radio are probably the two which are easiest to swap for test purposes.

Cheers
Dean
A54-154  
     


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fie on Fi

Ryan Meador
 

Paul,

Kelly and I also use Google Fi. We had the same experience. Except for a hiccup when I first activated my service (likely because I waited until I was in Bermuda to do so, instead of home), it's been great. We had flawless service in Martinique for over a month. On December 28, Kelly lost service. The following afternoon she contacted support through my phone, which still worked. The support person seemed to do something, and then mine went dead too. I'm curious to know when you lost access! We've been contacting support for many days and they refuse to tell us anything. It still works in non-French countries.

Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Off the coast of Montserrat, bound for Saba


On Tue, Jan 8, 2019, 2:11 PM paul.cooper74@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

I just want to send out a word of caution to anyone considering switching to Google Fi for cellular telephone and internet.  I think many are interested because of the advertised  "seamless coverage in 147 countries."  Well the old adage that if something seems too good to be true it probably is holds true here.


My wife, son and I all have Google Fi for our carrier, and it was wonderful down here in the eastern Caribbean until recently.  We had good coverage everywhere we went, including Martinique, and then all of a sudden in the middle of cruising with our sons, we lost all coverage, phone and data, while in Martinique.  Since we had no phone or internet and were on the hook we couldn't get support.  When we got to a wifi cafe, we chatted with Google and after many stock interventions, still had no service (this was 2 weeks ago).  They said there was nothing they could do, it wasn't their problem, it was the local carriers.  When we got Dominica service resumed but when we reached Guadeloupe (France again) it was gone again.  Again I found some wifi and contacted customer support (not technical support, they don't seem to have that, only customer support).  They had me do the same interventions which again didn't work.  Again they said sorry nothing they could do and gave me a credit of $20.   We are now back in Martinique and there is still no Google Fi service with no indication it will ever resume.


We were using cellular internet for many things, including weather and email  and phone was critical for organizing the numerous contractors working on my boat.  Very inconvenient to say the least.  We just got back from the local Digicel office where we bought a new plan and have put Google Fi on "pause."


Can't speak for other parts of the world but it appears the whole google fi system hinges on the local carriers in the various countries, and the customer support person actually told me they had "no authority" to contact those carriers??!  So feels like a house of cards to me and suggest you beware.


Any one with lost coverage elsewhere in this watery world?


Paul C.

SM 238 "Maracuya"

Martinique


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fie on Fi

 

Nowhere else in the world except Martinique have I had problems. It has been on/off. There is no alternative. All carriers rely on local towers. Martinique is the worst that I know of. If you had a local SIM, it is sometimes better because the local carrier gives preference, but I found it impossible as a non-French citizen to get. 

Can you imagine what we did and what it cost in the Caribbean before GoogleFI? And, what about everywhere else?

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Tue, Jan 8, 2019, 12:11 paul.cooper74@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

I just want to send out a word of caution to anyone considering switching to Google Fi for cellular telephone and internet.  I think many are interested because of the advertised  "seamless coverage in 147 countries."  Well the old adage that if something seems too good to be true it probably is holds true here.


My wife, son and I all have Google Fi for our carrier, and it was wonderful down here in the eastern Caribbean until recently.  We had good coverage everywhere we went, including Martinique, and then all of a sudden in the middle of cruising with our sons, we lost all coverage, phone and data, while in Martinique.  Since we had no phone or internet and were on the hook we couldn't get support.  When we got to a wifi cafe, we chatted with Google and after many stock interventions, still had no service (this was 2 weeks ago).  They said there was nothing they could do, it wasn't their problem, it was the local carriers.  When we got Dominica service resumed but when we reached Guadeloupe (France again) it was gone again.  Again I found some wifi and contacted customer support (not technical support, they don't seem to have that, only customer support).  They had me do the same interventions which again didn't work.  Again they said sorry nothing they could do and gave me a credit of $20.   We are now back in Martinique and there is still no Google Fi service with no indication it will ever resume.


We were using cellular internet for many things, including weather and email  and phone was critical for organizing the numerous contractors working on my boat.  Very inconvenient to say the least.  We just got back from the local Digicel office where we bought a new plan and have put Google Fi on "pause."


Can't speak for other parts of the world but it appears the whole google fi system hinges on the local carriers in the various countries, and the customer support person actually told me they had "no authority" to contact those carriers??!  So feels like a house of cards to me and suggest you beware.


Any one with lost coverage elsewhere in this watery world?


Paul C.

SM 238 "Maracuya"

Martinique


Fie on Fi

paul.cooper74@...
 

I just want to send out a word of caution to anyone considering switching to Google Fi for cellular telephone and internet.  I think many are interested because of the advertised  "seamless coverage in 147 countries."  Well the old adage that if something seems too good to be true it probably is holds true here.


My wife, son and I all have Google Fi for our carrier, and it was wonderful down here in the eastern Caribbean until recently.  We had good coverage everywhere we went, including Martinique, and then all of a sudden in the middle of cruising with our sons, we lost all coverage, phone and data, while in Martinique.  Since we had no phone or internet and were on the hook we couldn't get support.  When we got to a wifi cafe, we chatted with Google and after many stock interventions, still had no service (this was 2 weeks ago).  They said there was nothing they could do, it wasn't their problem, it was the local carriers.  When we got Dominica service resumed but when we reached Guadeloupe (France again) it was gone again.  Again I found some wifi and contacted customer support (not technical support, they don't seem to have that, only customer support).  They had me do the same interventions which again didn't work.  Again they said sorry nothing they could do and gave me a credit of $20.   We are now back in Martinique and there is still no Google Fi service with no indication it will ever resume.


We were using cellular internet for many things, including weather and email  and phone was critical for organizing the numerous contractors working on my boat.  Very inconvenient to say the least.  We just got back from the local Digicel office where we bought a new plan and have put Google Fi on "pause."


Can't speak for other parts of the world but it appears the whole google fi system hinges on the local carriers in the various countries, and the customer support person actually told me they had "no authority" to contact those carriers??!  So feels like a house of cards to me and suggest you beware.


Any one with lost coverage elsewhere in this watery world?


Paul C.

SM 238 "Maracuya"

Martinique


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] VHF issues

greatketch@...
 

It is a good idea to pick up an inexpensive (~US$50) SWR/power meter to help trouble shoot radio transmitting trouble due to bad cabling and/or bad antennas.  The digital ones will confirm the radio is transmitting at proper power, and on the right frequency as well as measuring the efficiency of the antenna system.

Some AIS boxes have a built in SWR meter that you can access via the computer interface.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
North Bimini, Bahamas