Date   

S Maarten

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: New Speakers - Old Compass - Different Readings

Arno Luijten
 

Hi All,

I just replaced the cockpit speakers for the Fusion 4 inch model as well. These are coaxial, so basically a two way system. Although they sound much better then the Amel speakers (made by some italian company callled  Sea & Syphony) I would say that almost any speaker would sound better then those pieces of junk (from audio quality point of view). From sound quality point of view the Fusions sound OK but not great. That would be quite hard for a 4 inch speaker anyway. I'm thinking to put some damping material behind the speaker as the mid-frequencies sound quite harsh. I'm using the new Fusion Apollo head unit that has some Digital Sound Processor facilities that adapt the speaker signal to the speakers type and place where located. That does improve things as well.

I think that good speakers typically have a large magnetic field because of the size of the magnet. I did look at this company to contain that problem: http://www.lessemf.com/mag-shld.html but I could not find weather resistant speakers with audiophile performance in the 4 inch range.

So I'm sort of happy with the Fusion speakers as it's a good upgrade to the original stuff. I must admit I found the originals looking a bit better form aesthetic point of view. But mine were corroded pretty bad.

Cheers,

Arno
SV Luna
A54 121



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Antal main outhaul car for 1999 Super Maramu 2000

 

Steve,

I was going to comment earlier, but decided to stay out of the discussion. But, I have something that I believe is important to add...

I believe, when considering what was available to Amel in the early 80s, their solution for the operation of the motorized outhaul, using mostly off-the-shelf components, was genius. The only modification to the Antal car and track that Amel made was done to overcome improper horizontal load on the car shackle. Amel did this so very simply by welding a stainless steel crossbar to the shackle, which reinforces the improper horizontal loads and, at the same time, separates the vertical load. BTW, I have seen too many Amels that replace the Amel-modified shackle with a stock Antal shackle... maybe this happened on your Amel. And about half of the 50 or more outhaul I have seen are rigged wrong.

When talking to Antal about this car and shackle, I doubt that anyone at Antal today would know about the simple shackle modification made by Amel. In fact, I am not sure if there is a better solution today for Amel. BTW, the 55 doesn't use an Anderson line handler, but what is used on the 55 is similar. The next time I am on a 55 (probably Jan 2019) I will inventory all the components and report back to you and others here.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Tue, Dec 18, 2018, 18:22 steve@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

Hi Ken,

After looking into this a bit more, I realize that you can't use the clew-block I proposed above (duh). I'm looking into other alternatives, but I don't have a better answer than the stock setup for now. Guess neither did Amel. So, disregard my comments above about replacing the track car. Sorry about the confusion.
-Bode


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Yacht Owner's Registry

Alan Leslie
 

Thanks Bill

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Amel Yacht Owner's Registry

Alan Leslie
 

I'm not scolding anyone...just trying to point out that I think the privacy issue is a non-event when the information is freely available in the posted messages.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Antal main outhaul car for 1999 Super Maramu 2000

Steven Bode - SV Intention 1994-SM#117
 

Hi Ken,
After looking into this a bit more, I realize that you can't use the clew-block I proposed above (duh). I'm looking into other alternatives, but I don't have a better answer than the stock setup for now. Guess neither did Amel. So, disregard my comments above about replacing the track car. Sorry about the confusion.
-Bode


Re: New Speakers - Old Compass - Different Readings

Steven Bode - SV Intention 1994-SM#117
 

Hi, Mark!
Once again, thanks for your awesome help with this. I was looking at the Fusion speakers as well, but thought that the DC-Gold's were the cream of the crop. Guess those Beryllium magnets they use makes great sound, but have another drawback.
-Bode


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Yacht Owner's Registry

 

I have received input from most of the Moderators.

We all want this to be an open forum where Amel Yacht owners can get to know each other, ask questions, and share information. For the past 12 years this has worked very well with few exceptions. 

Our group's framework is controlled by Yahoo with very little control given to us. For instance, everything you post is searchable. However files and photos cannot be downloaded unless you are a member.

Anyone who has posted files or photos has discovered that there is no censoring involved. Let's don't start. 

I see nothing wrong with Alan's file, assuming that it only contains information that was either given directly to him by the owner of that information, or Alan received permission from the owner. 

Let's try not to make rules that restrict the freely flowing information that we currently have.

BTW, Yahoo does have a database feature that might be easier to use in this case. Alan, you should check that out. Databases are only accessed by members.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Tue, Dec 18, 2018, 17:38 clanton@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

Alan,

 

My opinion is that it is not appropriate to scold those who have concerns about their privacy, nor to label them as paranoid. 

 

I appreciate what you are working on, and was enthusiastic to complete the permission form to have my information on the roster, but after (level-headed and unemotional) thought, decided not to do so. 


Please don’t diminish your enthusiasm for bringing the Amel community closer together, but also don’t demean those members who have personal preferences that are different than yours.  We have strong-willed and independent members of this forum, but have always kept a certain decorum in our conversations.

 

 

John Clanton

S/V Devereux

Amel 55, No. 65


Re: Amel Yacht Owner's Registry

John Clanton
 

Alan,

 

My opinion is that it is not appropriate to scold those who have concerns about their privacy, nor to label them as paranoid. 

 

I appreciate what you are working on, and was enthusiastic to complete the permission form to have my information on the roster, but after (level-headed and unemotional) thought, decided not to do so. 


Please don’t diminish your enthusiasm for bringing the Amel community closer together, but also don’t demean those members who have personal preferences that are different than yours.  We have strong-willed and independent members of this forum, but have always kept a certain decorum in our conversations.

 

 

John Clanton

S/V Devereux

Amel 55, No. 65


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: New Speakers - Old Compass - Different Readings

Mark Erdos
 

James,

 

The original Amel speakers were fine and did not affect the compass. Unfortunately, the paper cones eventually rotted. Then I purchased some that affect the compass, in a big way. The speakers I ended up with had magnetic shielding and also did not affect the compass. The compass is amazingly sensitive.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 9:13 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: New Speakers - Old Compass - Different Readings

 

 

Mark - do you mean that the original speakers affected your helm compass?  

I noticed that mine is a few degrees off from the "magnetic" reading on my GPS. 

 

I placed a compass near the speakers (which are original) and the magnet in them is quite strong!

 

I have a rate compass a couple feet away that is meant for my radar overlay on the chartplotter and I think that might also be affected. 

 

James

 

Soteria

Sm2k

347

 

On Dec 17, 2018 9:50 PM, "mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:

 

Steve,

 

I learned a lesson here with the speakers. I found some great sounding 4” DC Gold speakers with good bass but the speaker magnets were so powerful they threw off the compass and I sold them on eBay. I shopped for a long time and finally found a really great replacement pair with magnetic shielding that did not impact the compass. The best part is they sound awesome with a good range and are not too expensive. They will almost fit in the existing cutout from the original speakers. You will need to file the hole just a little bit bigger and drill more screw holes. You will need to fill the old holes with something like MagicEzy. MagicEzy - Cream is a really good color match. Other than that, the fit is pretty close even though they are round.

 

Here is a link:https://www.fusionentertainment.com/marine/products/speakers/ms-fr4021

 

I have had these for about 4 years and highly recommend them.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia

www.creampuff.us

 


Re: Amel Yacht Owner's Registry

Alan Leslie
 

I think you are all getting a bit carried away..calm down children.

This information is only available to forum members
Only Hull #, date of manufacture, boat type and name are published.
If an owner wishes to give more information that is up to them.

With no peoples names or contact details, how is this of any use to any marketeer?

Most of you provide this information and more when you post a message.

Mark Mueller, brass.ring@..., Amel 54 Brass Ring ..... it's all in your message for heavens sake !
Danny Simms, simms@..., SM299 Ocean Pearl
and so on.......
 
 We've had a lot of people think its a good idea to compile a registry and now it seems paranoia has risen to the surface.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Yacht Owner's Registry

bernard lawson
 

Thank you 😊. Our privacy is sacred 


On Tue, Dec 18, 2018, 14:32 Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

Hi Bernard,

Pardon my ignorance. What does TY!!! mean

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 19 December 2018 at 07:13 "bernard lawson bernardlawson665@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

TY!!!

On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 12:22 PM brass.ring@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

 

Regarding the Amel Register; the database of Amel boats and owners.  I find the collection of this material particularly troublesome especially when the AOG is part of the source material.  I believe there is some small expectation of privacy i.e. the AOG is a closed group.  The amount of data collected would have any marketing manager salivating that desires to target a group such as this this group.

 

Mining data that you desire to collect is intrusive and I believe the potential for misuse by any number of third parties is quite high.  As we have seen over the last few years no data is truly secure.  As much as you believe you are providing as service I feel this is a disservice to Amel owners and serves no purpose that will provide any benefit to current owners.

 

My request to the AOG forum moderators would be to expunge any existing list or database currently in the AOG forum and prevent in the future any similar databases from being resident in the AOG forum.  Although most of  this information is a matter of public record it is not now or ever should be part of this forum.  In my opinion the AOG forum is for the exchange of ideas and information to benefit Amel owners in the operation and maintenance of their boats, pure and simple.


Mark Mueller

Brass Ring  A54

 

 

 


 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Yacht Owner's Registry

Mark Erdos
 

Mark,

 

I agree 100%.

 

If someone wishes to collect information about current Amel owners perhaps for the purpose of purchasing one, then they can keep a database on their own machine. I do not believe this was the intent of the group forum and nor should it be in the future. As a moderator, I only have one vote but will take the discussion off-line to discuss with other moderators.

 

Stay tuned.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 1:19 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Yacht Owner's Registry

 

 

Regarding the Amel Register; the database of Amel boats and owners.  I find the collection of this material particularly troublesome especially when the AOG is part of the source material.  I believe there is some small expectation of privacy i.e. the AOG is a closed group.  The amount of data collected would have any marketing manager salivating that desires to target a group such as this this group.

 

Mining data that you desire to collect is intrusive and I believe the potential for misuse by any number of third parties is quite high.  As we have seen over the last few years no data is truly secure.  As much as you believe you are providing as service I feel this is a disservice to Amel owners and serves no purpose that will provide any benefit to current owners.

 

My request to the AOG forum moderators would be to expunge any existing list or database currently in the AOG forum and prevent in the future any similar databases from being resident in the AOG forum.  Although most of  this information is a matter of public record it is not now or ever should be part of this forum.  In my opinion the AOG forum is for the exchange of ideas and information to benefit Amel owners in the operation and maintenance of their boats, pure and simple.

 

Mark Mueller

Brass Ring  A54


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Yacht Owner's Registry

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Bernard,

Pardon my ignorance. What does TY!!! mean

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 19 December 2018 at 07:13 "bernard lawson bernardlawson665@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

TY!!!

On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 12:22 PM brass.ring@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

 

Regarding the Amel Register; the database of Amel boats and owners.  I find the collection of this material particularly troublesome especially when the AOG is part of the source material.  I believe there is some small expectation of privacy i.e. the AOG is a closed group.  The amount of data collected would have any marketing manager salivating that desires to target a group such as this this group.

 

Mining data that you desire to collect is intrusive and I believe the potential for misuse by any number of third parties is quite high.  As we have seen over the last few years no data is truly secure.  As much as you believe you are providing as service I feel this is a disservice to Amel owners and serves no purpose that will provide any benefit to current owners.

 

My request to the AOG forum moderators would be to expunge any existing list or database currently in the AOG forum and prevent in the future any similar databases from being resident in the AOG forum.  Although most of  this information is a matter of public record it is not now or ever should be part of this forum.  In my opinion the AOG forum is for the exchange of ideas and information to benefit Amel owners in the operation and maintenance of their boats, pure and simple.


Mark Mueller

Brass Ring  A54

 

 

 


 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Yacht Owner's Registry

bernard lawson
 

TY!!!


On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 12:22 PM brass.ring@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Regarding the Amel Register; the database of Amel boats and owners.  I find the collection of this material particularly troublesome especially when the AOG is part of the source material.  I believe there is some small expectation of privacy i.e. the AOG is a closed group.  The amount of data collected would have any marketing manager salivating that desires to target a group such as this this group.

 

Mining data that you desire to collect is intrusive and I believe the potential for misuse by any number of third parties is quite high.  As we have seen over the last few years no data is truly secure.  As much as you believe you are providing as service I feel this is a disservice to Amel owners and serves no purpose that will provide any benefit to current owners.

 

My request to the AOG forum moderators would be to expunge any existing list or database currently in the AOG forum and prevent in the future any similar databases from being resident in the AOG forum.  Although most of  this information is a matter of public record it is not now or ever should be part of this forum.  In my opinion the AOG forum is for the exchange of ideas and information to benefit Amel owners in the operation and maintenance of their boats, pure and simple.


Mark Mueller

Brass Ring  A54


Amel 54 stability data

kwzy6vgkpvtfohjddjsrotobzwf2pjeafjwalhur@...
 

Does anyone have the AVS and STIX numbers or/and GZ curves for the Amel 54 and 55 and the new 50.


Nick


Amelia (Aml 54 nr 019)


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Yacht Owner's Registry

Teun BAAS
 

In reference to below Email:

 

Realizing that a lot of the information can be found on line I do agree with Mark that it should not be this easily centralized and a level of some privacy should remain.

 

Best Regards Teun BAAS

 

AMELIT  A54  #128

Dec 18, 2018   10:34:00

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 10:19 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Yacht Owner's Registry

 

 

Regarding the Amel Register; the database of Amel boats and owners.  I find the collection of this material particularly troublesome especially when the AOG is part of the source material.  I believe there is some small expectation of privacy i.e. the AOG is a closed group.  The amount of data collected would have any marketing manager salivating that desires to target a group such as this this group.

 

Mining data that you desire to collect is intrusive and I believe the potential for misuse by any number of third parties is quite high.  As we have seen over the last few years no data is truly secure.  As much as you believe you are providing as service I feel this is a disservice to Amel owners and serves no purpose that will provide any benefit to current owners.

 

My request to the AOG forum moderators would be to expunge any existing list or database currently in the AOG forum and prevent in the future any similar databases from being resident in the AOG forum.  Although most of  this information is a matter of public record it is not now or ever should be part of this forum.  In my opinion the AOG forum is for the exchange of ideas and information to benefit Amel owners in the operation and maintenance of their boats, pure and simple.

 

Mark Mueller

Brass Ring  A54


Re: Amel Yacht Owner's Registry

Mark & Debbie Mueller
 

Regarding the Amel Register; the database of Amel boats and owners.  I find the collection of this material particularly troublesome especially when the AOG is part of the source material.  I believe there is some small expectation of privacy i.e. the AOG is a closed group.  The amount of data collected would have any marketing manager salivating that desires to target a group such as this this group.

 

Mining data that you desire to collect is intrusive and I believe the potential for misuse by any number of third parties is quite high.  As we have seen over the last few years no data is truly secure.  As much as you believe you are providing as service I feel this is a disservice to Amel owners and serves no purpose that will provide any benefit to current owners.

 

My request to the AOG forum moderators would be to expunge any existing list or database currently in the AOG forum and prevent in the future any similar databases from being resident in the AOG forum.  Although most of  this information is a matter of public record it is not now or ever should be part of this forum.  In my opinion the AOG forum is for the exchange of ideas and information to benefit Amel owners in the operation and maintenance of their boats, pure and simple.


Mark Mueller

Brass Ring  A54


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: New Speakers - Old Compass - Different Readings

James Cromie
 

Mark - do you mean that the original speakers affected your helm compass?  
I noticed that mine is a few degrees off from the "magnetic" reading on my GPS. 

I placed a compass near the speakers (which are original) and the magnet in them is quite strong!

I have a rate compass a couple feet away that is meant for my radar overlay on the chartplotter and I think that might also be affected. 

James

Soteria
Sm2k
347

On Dec 17, 2018 9:50 PM, "mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Steve,

 

I learned a lesson here with the speakers. I found some great sounding 4” DC Gold speakers with good bass but the speaker magnets were so powerful they threw off the compass and I sold them on eBay. I shopped for a long time and finally found a really great replacement pair with magnetic shielding that did not impact the compass. The best part is they sound awesome with a good range and are not too expensive. They will almost fit in the existing cutout from the original speakers. You will need to file the hole just a little bit bigger and drill more screw holes. You will need to fill the old holes with something like MagicEzy. MagicEzy - Cream is a really good color match. Other than that, the fit is pretty close even though they are round.

 

Here is a link:https://www.fusionentertainment.com/marine/products/speakers/ms-fr4021

 

I have had these for about 4 years and highly recommend them.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia

www.creampuff.us



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hf installation

Dean Gillies
 

Hi Stephano,
You talk about a 7m antenna. Is that an isolated backstay or a whip antenna you are planning to use.
If it’s a whip, can you please share the model number? 

I also agree with what the others have said, the tuner should be in the lazarette, with the minimum cable length between the tuner module and the antenna. This much I have learned recently :-)

Regards
Dean
SY Stella
A54-154