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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Painting deck stripes - how much paint is needed??
I think it all points to 1-part marine paint and redeaux every 5-6 years😀. At least that is where I would up a few years ago.
On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 12:58 PM Gary Silver via Groups.Io <garysilver=mac.com@groups.io> wrote: Thanks Bill for the confirmation of the color.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Painting deck stripes - how much paint is needed??
Gary Silver
Thanks Bill for the confirmation of the color.
I have read and researched using Awlgrip for the stripes (as advised by the folks who did the repairs to Liahona and did her painting). However, having just spoken with the Interlux Awlgrip technical representative I don't see how it will be feasible to use Awlgrip. He indicated that the pot life for Awlgrip in 85 degrees is about 15 minutes to 30 minutes. This he says is about as long as it takes to spray the hull of a 30 ft boat, but of course we aren't spraying and need a much longer pot life for this laborious process. He suggested Interlux Perfection two part topsides paint that properly reduced will have about a one hour pot life at 85 degrees F. I have used perfection in the past for some spar touch ups and it has indeed lasted well. It does come in a Cream color that appears to be similar to the Awlgrip Cream color. AwlGrip and Perfection bothl require a two part epoxy primer for adhesion (thus adding to the manpower involved in this process) but the pot life of the primers is much longer than the top-coats and won't be an issue. Gary S. Silver s/v Liahona Amel SM 2000 #335 Puerto Rico
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Re: Insurance updates.
Gary Silver
Alexandre:
I am so sad to hear of the pain and suffering you have received at the hands of your insurance company. While I can certainly understand your feelings about insurance companies and I don't desire to worsen your pain and suffering, I can say that I had a reasonably good experience with my insurance claim. The total repairs were about $135,000, my deductible was $16,000 and the difference was paid as a $60,000 advance to commence work, with the balance paid in a timely manner when work was completed. I was insured by YachtInsure thru Offshore Risk Management (William Coates). I was on site for 10 of the 16 weeks of the repairs and have over 2000 photos (daily about 50 photos taken by someone I hired to send those photos to me daily when I wasn't there). It was very reassuring and helpful to be actively involved in the repairs as I was able to advise about the Amel construction techniques and features. Fortunately the rubber scupper extrusion material was available from Amel or I don't know what we would have done. The most un-satisfactory part of my insurance dealings is that the same insurer will not now insure the boat for the surveyed value. I had to buy "Excess Insurance" to bring the value up to the desire limit. I think the insurers are all reacting (dare I say over-reacting) to their losses in the Caribbean from Irma and Maria. I sincerely hope that somewhere in the companies you are dealing with there is someone who is honest and will pay your claim, sooner rather than later. All the best to you, Gary S. Silver s/v Liahona Amel SM 2000 #335
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Insurance updates.
Alexandre Uster von Baar
Over 2 months later, and despite 2 more letters from my lawyers to ask the settlement clauses to be notified still nothing.
So today I called Helvetia and said these clauses were not acceptable, that they should know by now that I will not let go, that personally I wanted to go to trial, but my lawyers want to solve the issue peacefully. The person said he will contact the legal department to see about changing the clauses. (last time my lawyers ask them, they supposedly were very busy and needed more time). Always excuses.. So will see. Now regarding Pantaneus (reminder: one of their insured lost control and hit my vessel in Nassau in July 2014). They still not have sent the ridiculous amount they agreed to pay. Helvetia said that Mr Thomas Mullady does not reply any of their email. Helvetia assures me, they do everything to obtain that payment. I told them, if in 2014 then you did not want to hire a lawyer for $20.000 I doubt you will hire one for less. They assure me again I would be reimbursed. Personally I will NEVER use insurance again (aside for the required liability). It is obvious they are ALL dishonest. In the pasts, I heard many “horror” stories, I thought this was exaggerations from upset people, unfortunately this is all true. On a side note, the french customs asked me to pay “this year” (2019) annual fee for the boat (which they know sunk in 2017), but we solved that. Sincerely, Alexandre
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Re: Jordan Drogue
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Hi Eric, I know you believe in the drogue method of storm tactics but your description of your boat preparation and handling systems confirms my negativity to the system. The number of things to potentially go wrong is scary. Also It places the boat stern on to the breaking seas and that results in those seas breaking into the boat and filling the cockpit with water. I remember you saying that the crew in the cockpit was up to their armpits in water. I will stay with my bow deployed sea anchor. The front facing parts of the boat are designed to take attacks by the sea which the stern is not. (In my opinion.) Kind Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
On 28 February 2019 at 17:35 eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:
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Re: Amel lettering colour / RAL
tony wells
Thank you Courtney - the perfect Pantone!
On 28 Feb 2019, at 15:09, Courtney Gorman via Groups.Io <Itsfun1@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Painting deck stripes - how much paint is needed??
Gary, As you probably know, I used the same paint and tool that you used the first time around. The second time, I had 1-part marine paint mixed in Trinidad to match the AwlGrip Cream color, which is exactly the color you posted. We used 1 quart to apply 2 coats. We sanded much of the old off before applying the new color. The cream color did not cover as good as the chocolate brown, hence the 2nd coat. I could not get a clear answer on the 2-part paint, so I elected to go with 1 part. These get a lot of UV in the tropics and probably 5-6 years will be the lifetime. BTW, when we sold BeBe we gave Dan two fingernail polish bottles filled with the paint for future touch-up. The 2-part would not have worked for that. Lastly, when we were in Trinidad, we trained a local boat wash/wax guy to do this job. He got very good at it. I can give you his name if you want it. It took him 5 days for the complete job. Best,
On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 8:58 AM Gary Silver via Groups.Io <garysilver=mac.com@groups.io> wrote: Bill Rouse:
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Re: Amel lettering colour / RAL
Hi Tony just talked to my Graphics guy and this is the color of Vinyl we used
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the pms color is 7421C,
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From: tony wells via Groups.Io <tony.wells@...> To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> Sent: Thu, Feb 28, 2019 6:54 am Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Amel lettering colour / RAL Hi all
We recently bought Amel 54 “Catriona R” #102 in Preveza, Greece. We are reverting to the original name “Balthazar” per this old photo attached (I’ve edited out the “IV” suffix and port name). Amel, who would have applied the name originally do not have a record of the font or colour. I have now identified and bought the font as Aviano Contrast Heavy. CAN ANYONE HELP IDENTIFY THE COLOUR PLEASE? A RAL ref for Amel’s ‘standard’ burgundy would be perfect. Finally, thank you All for such a fabulous forum - a deciding factor in our yacht choice. Being technically inept, the forum has given me great insight...and sleepless nights, in equal measure! We’ve had a much-appreciated welcome from a number of owners and are supported by Bill Rouse too. Tony & Lel Wells Balthazar (formerly Catriona R) A54 #102 Preveza, Greece (circumnavigation planned, starting 2022...)
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Painting deck stripes - how much paint is needed??
Gary Silver
Bill Rouse:
This is the Awlgrip "Cream" color. Does this appear correct for what you painted your deck stripes? The photo I have seen of your stripes appeared to be more white colored. Thanks, Gary S. Silver s/v Liahona Puerto Del Rey Puerto Rico SM 2000 #335
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Amel lettering colour / RAL
tony wells
Hi all
We recently bought Amel 54 “Catriona R” #102 in Preveza, Greece. We are reverting to the original name “Balthazar” per this old photo attached (I’ve edited out the “IV” suffix and port name). Amel, who would have applied the name originally do not have a record of the font or colour. I have now identified and bought the font as Aviano Contrast Heavy. CAN ANYONE HELP IDENTIFY THE COLOUR PLEASE? A RAL ref for Amel’s ‘standard’ burgundy would be perfect. Finally, thank you All for such a fabulous forum - a deciding factor in our yacht choice. Being technically inept, the forum has given me great insight...and sleepless nights, in equal measure! We’ve had a much-appreciated welcome from a number of owners and are supported by Bill Rouse too. Tony & Lel Wells Balthazar (formerly Catriona R) A54 #102 Preveza, Greece (circumnavigation planned, starting 2022...)
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Jordan Drogue
eric freedman
Hi, With respect to the Jordan Drogue it is now available in spectra—that is the way to go. It was originally developed by Don Jordan and manufactured by Dave Pelissier of Ace Sailmakers in Connecticut—I would order it from him and only him. There are many people now selling the drogue and a few that I have seen are shoddy.
If you are feeling really nautical you can buy the kit from him with pre-assembled cones and weave it together yourself. If you do not get it from Ace, Make sure that the forward facing edge of the cones have seams on them otherwise they will shred after many hours in the water. See above photo.
When I had Kimberlite built I had Amel Super reinforce the stern cleats. At the end of my bridles I also have large loops spliced into them. To keep from putting strain on one back stay (you only will have to adjust one leg) I had a machine shop make me a titanium Humongous snatch block for 1 ½ inch line. Which I will fasten to a few places on the deck fittings to square the boat to the waves.
You might also want to have the vinyl covering for the cockpit (weather cloths) zippers modified. I had my sailmaker put loops on either side of the zipper every foot and a half so if the zipper starts coming apart you can tie it back together.
When bringing in the drogue you will need something bolted to the stern chocks as the drogue wants to get caught on it and tear the cones. The drogue has to be tailed by hand as it is too big for the winch. Careful not to tear the cones on the winch line stripper.
Lastly, the winch motor will cut out after about 4 minutes due to thermal overload. Either bring in the drogue a bit, wait for the motor to cool off and proceed or wait till the overload device trips and then wait 5 minutes and it will work again.
I hope it never leaves your port locker. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: carpathia3 via groups.io [mailto:carpathia3@...]
Hi Eric,
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Painting deck stripes - how much paint is needed??
We applied Brightside Hatteras White in late 2017. What we learned. 1. We love the color and the match is very good. It's one of those things that really revitalizes the look of the SM, helping to defy its age. 2. We could not get the pinstripe tool to perform as advertised, despite watching video, experimenting and using varying amounts of thickening agent. Over time, we developed our own method to avoid sloppy lines. You'll also need artist brushes as there several areas the tool cannot reach. 3. We used less than a quart of Brightside for one coat. 4. It took about 60 hours for the first coat. WeAs Joel says, it takes patience and my wife definitely had more than me. 5. Not a lot of difference underfoot in terms of 'cooler' decks. 6. It's been on for only 15 months and thus far we've only put on one coat (like Mark says, we opt for fun!). Can't predict how long it will last but it's wearing well so far. Eventually we will get around to that second coat! Note that we spend most of our time in Florida and the Bahamas. Good luck! Ian & Margaret S/V Loca Lola II SM153 Exumas, Bahamas
On Feb 27, 2019, at 11:12 AM, Gary Silver via Groups.Io <garysilver@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Painting deck stripes - how much paint is needed??
Mark,
Uh, have you thought about where you may be sleeping tonight? Craig SN68 Sangaris
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Painting deck stripes - how much paint is needed??
Joel,
Oh good to know!!! I adding this to Cindy’s list J
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia www.creampuff.us
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
[mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of amelforme
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 5:51 PM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] [Amel Yacht Owners] Painting deck stripes - how much paint is needed??
The original stripes are polyester resin/gel- coat. They were painstakingly applied by hand with paint brushes. Throughout the production of the Sharki, Maramu, Mango, Fango, Santorin and Super Maramu, these stipes were applied by a mainly female crew who were deemed to have more patience and manual dexterity than their male counterparts. These were considered the primary requirements for this job. Back then, political correctness wasn’t even a consideration, especially in France.
All The Best, Joel
JOEL F. POTTER-CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST~L.L.C. THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE Office 954-462-5869 Cell 954-812-2485
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Behalf Of Mark Erdos
Were the original stripes done with gelcoat or resin?
Cream Puff needs this too but it keeps getting pushed back down the project list because “having fun” trumps it every time. It has been on the list since we purchase here in 2011 J
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia www.creampuff.us
From:
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Behalf Of Gary Silver via Groups.Io
[Edited Message Follows] Hi Bill and all:
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Re: Amel 54 Manual - Owner and User
Whilst on this topic ... what I would really like to get is a soft copy of the A54 Manual Appendices in English.
My original hard copy of the manuals is in German for the original owner. I don’t read German very well. I have soft copies of the English Manuals, but not the Appendices. If anyone has a soft copy of the appendices I’d love to receive a copy. In the meantime, I notice there are no English manuals in the folder that Roque has provided, so I’ll try to fix that 😎 Cheers Dean SY Stella A54-154 Sent from my iPhone X
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Painting deck stripes - how much paint is needed??
amelforme
The original stripes are polyester resin/gel- coat. They were painstakingly applied by hand with paint brushes. Throughout the production of the Sharki, Maramu, Mango, Fango, Santorin and Super Maramu, these stipes were applied by a mainly female crew who were deemed to have more patience and manual dexterity than their male counterparts. These were considered the primary requirements for this job. Back then, political correctness wasn’t even a consideration, especially in France.
All The Best, Joel
JOEL F. POTTER-CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST~L.L.C. THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE Office 954-462-5869 Cell 954-812-2485
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark Erdos
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 1:48 PM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] [Amel Yacht Owners] Painting deck stripes - how much paint is needed??
Were the original stripes done with gelcoat or resin?
Cream Puff needs this too but it keeps getting pushed back down the project list because “having fun” trumps it every time. It has been on the list since we purchase here in 2011 J
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia www.creampuff.us
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Silver via Groups.Io
[Edited Message Follows] Hi Bill and all:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Painting deck stripes - how much paint is needed??
Germain Jean-Pierre
Hi Barry and Robyn,
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AFAIK, Steve (Aloha) is the only SM to have done this. We know his boat and we can assure you it looks and feel great underfoot. However, if you wait until Steve sees this post, I’m certain he’ll chime in with his 2 year long experience. Cheers,
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Painting deck stripes - how much paint is needed??
seagasm <seagasm@...>
I too have a couple of questions, who have used the slip resistant deck paint product and if you have, how have you found cleaning the deck from dust, salt or even spills from fish cleaning. There are a couple of products here in Australia, Norglass and AWLGrip worth consideration however, their options do offer non-slip or otherwise.
Best Regards Barry & Robyn Tradewinds III SM#171
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Painting deck stripes - how much paint is needed??
Germain Jean-Pierre
Hi Gary,
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I did my deck stripes in white: makes deck somewhat cooler underfoot, reduces heat down below too. However, mine being an old girl, I’ll grind down the entire deck to make it level with the bottom of the stripes, then an epoxy coat in white with an anti slip on the top. Just as Steve Davis did on Aloha. It is gorgeous. (Disclaimer: I’ll pay a yard in Malaysia to do the work) :-)
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Painting deck stripes - how much paint is needed??
Were the original stripes done with gelcoat or resin?
Cream Puff needs this too but it keeps getting pushed back down the project list because “having fun” trumps it every time. It has been on the list since we purchase here in 2011 J
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia www.creampuff.us
From:
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Behalf Of Gary Silver via Groups.Io
[Edited Message Follows] Hi Bill and all:
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