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Re: 24v alternator belts

ngtnewington Newington
 

I forgot to mention that the alignment looks spot on, there is no side wear on the belts. Just the bottom teeth coming off. A damned mess in the engine room of course but no harm done.
Nick
Amelia in Fiskardo Greece
AML 54-019


On 21 Jul 2019, at 17:33, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington@...> wrote:

So further to this I ordered a pair of Optibelt super xe-power pro XPB 1320 belts. I chose the toothed ones as the alternator pulley is quite small diameter.
Anyhow after a few hours running the teeth are flying off. I have checked the tension which could have been on the tight side, but not excessive enough. on close inspection it appears that the taper on the pulleys is different to the belts the belts taper in more sharply than the pulley so that the surface in contact with the pulley is only the top of the side of the belt.
Looking again at the optibelt website the XPB profile is the only one that is 16mm wide at the top and 13mm high. The other profile codes are for 13mm wide and 10mm. 
I also measured the depth of the pulley which is 15mm so the 13mm high XPB does not bottom out. 
I will call Optibelt tomorrow and see what they say.
Maybe I should not have gone for the toothed belts!
Any thoughts out there re toothed verses normal wedge belt and taper on pulleys?
38 degree taper comes to mind as standard but I am not sure.
Nick
Amelia back in Fiskardo Greece
AML 54-019

On 5 Jul 2019, at 08:11, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington@...> wrote:

Hi Oliver,
I had a look at the Optibelt website  and it certainly looks very promising. I will buy a couple of pairs and we can put it to the test.

Nick
SY Amelia anchored Corfu
AML 54-019



On 4 Jul 2019, at 12:50, Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica <oliver.henrichsen@...> wrote:

Hello,

I got same setup. 

Its mandatory to get bets matching the small pully belt disk size and that are possible to get tighten over the back.
Some lawnmower belts do that. 
I got now some OPTIBELT SUPER XE-POWER PRO M=S XPB 1320

No experiance for now, need to relaunch in few days after this refit. 

Oliver
Vela Nautica 54#39
Portugal

On Thu, Jul 4, 2019, 10:20 ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

I have a 175A 24v alternator on my 54. With twin pulley v belts.
It is the set up with the alternator to port and separate from the 12v alternator and raw water pump  belt. I know some 54’s are set up with the alternator to starboard and run off the same belt as the 12v and pump belt. Not my Amelia.
I am disappointed with the life I am getting from a matched pair, only about 100 hours. I tried to get the green stripe quality in the UK and was sold some blue belt.
The pulley grooves are for 15mm or maybe 16mm,  so that they do not bottom out. That is, so the sides of the belt grip the pulley. Which is what I used.
I have now put a pair of belts that the previous owner bought which are 13mm, but a matched pair (so it is bottoming out) as an experiment, to see how they perform.
Does anyone with my twin belt set up, recommend any particular brand and size/specs?
It would be nice to find a brand that does not shed dust and that lasts for 300 hours or more!

Nick
Amelia Corfu area
AML 54-019




Re: 24v alternator belts

ngtnewington Newington
 

So further to this I ordered a pair of Optibelt super xe-power pro XPB 1320 belts. I chose the toothed ones as the alternator pulley is quite small diameter.
Anyhow after a few hours running the teeth are flying off. I have checked the tension which could have been on the tight side, but not excessive enough. on close inspection it appears that the taper on the pulleys is different to the belts the belts taper in more sharply than the pulley so that the surface in contact with the pulley is only the top of the side of the belt.
Looking again at the optibelt website the XPB profile is the only one that is 16mm wide at the top and 13mm high. The other profile codes are for 13mm wide and 10mm. 
I also measured the depth of the pulley which is 15mm so the 13mm high XPB does not bottom out. 
I will call Optibelt tomorrow and see what they say.
Maybe I should not have gone for the toothed belts!
Any thoughts out there re toothed verses normal wedge belt and taper on pulleys?
38 degree taper comes to mind as standard but I am not sure.
Nick
Amelia back in Fiskardo Greece
AML 54-019

On 5 Jul 2019, at 08:11, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington@...> wrote:

Hi Oliver,
I had a look at the Optibelt website  and it certainly looks very promising. I will buy a couple of pairs and we can put it to the test.

Nick
SY Amelia anchored Corfu
AML 54-019



On 4 Jul 2019, at 12:50, Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica <oliver.henrichsen@...> wrote:

Hello,

I got same setup. 

Its mandatory to get bets matching the small pully belt disk size and that are possible to get tighten over the back.
Some lawnmower belts do that. 
I got now some OPTIBELT SUPER XE-POWER PRO M=S XPB 1320

No experiance for now, need to relaunch in few days after this refit. 

Oliver
Vela Nautica 54#39
Portugal

On Thu, Jul 4, 2019, 10:20 ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

I have a 175A 24v alternator on my 54. With twin pulley v belts.
It is the set up with the alternator to port and separate from the 12v alternator and raw water pump  belt. I know some 54’s are set up with the alternator to starboard and run off the same belt as the 12v and pump belt. Not my Amelia.
I am disappointed with the life I am getting from a matched pair, only about 100 hours. I tried to get the green stripe quality in the UK and was sold some blue belt.
The pulley grooves are for 15mm or maybe 16mm,  so that they do not bottom out. That is, so the sides of the belt grip the pulley. Which is what I used.
I have now put a pair of belts that the previous owner bought which are 13mm, but a matched pair (so it is bottoming out) as an experiment, to see how they perform.
Does anyone with my twin belt set up, recommend any particular brand and size/specs?
It would be nice to find a brand that does not shed dust and that lasts for 300 hours or more!

Nick
Amelia Corfu area
AML 54-019




Re: C-Map vs Navionics charts

 

I am sure that you all know this about Vector Charts: There is a huge amount of information embedded in these chart files. Some chart plotting programs allow you to select what will be displayed. If you are a user of OpenCPN, you have probably noticed about 100 display options. The same Vector chart on Other Chart plotting programs offer very few options.

Apples, oranges, and onions🙃

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Sun, Jul 21, 2019, 7:26 AM Peter Forbes <ppsforbes@...> wrote:
We found C-Map very good in our circumnavigation - I had Avionics as my constantly running reserve system but C - Map proved good for us.

Peter
Peter Forbes
0044 7836 209730
Carango  Sailing Ketch
Amel 54 #035
In La Rochelle

On 21 Jul 2019, at 13:18, Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:

We always try to have minimum two different systems. Navionics is one of them, but they have a few nasty mistakes in The Bahamas as example. As back up we have oppenCPN with various charts, iPad and android om which we download what ever we find recommended locally.
Open CPN is very good for planning and have an excellent anchor watch 
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259 Horta 


Re: Spade Anchor

Eamonn Washington
 

Hi

I have 2 spades, S140, the still unused and bubble wrapped spare from Ian and Judy plus the one I use daily.  2 years ago I anchored on Ios in F10 for a couple of days and It held while boats dragged all around me.  In the straits of Messina, with a 4 knot current, we anchored and endured some 180 degree current shifts, and again it held perfectly.

If I was buying new I would go for the S160 probably, although with the S140 I always slept well.  I was impressed by the Ultra in boat shows.  I believe the newer Rocnas are good, but not for me.

--
Eamonn Washington
Travel Bug
Super Maramu #151
Currently in Cagliari, Sardinia, Italy.


Re: Hot water pressure

 

David,

The simple answer is air is getting into the hot system at a point where the air entry is not "wet."

I'll take a wild guess: 

Here are 3 things to look at, in order of probability:
There is some trapped air in the hot water tank and eventually will stop
The electric thermostat is not turning OFF the heating element, allowing boiling inside the tank.
If the pressure relief valve is located above the tank waterline, it may be leaking, allowing air to pass into the tank.


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Sun, Jul 21, 2019, 12:44 AM Davi Rozgonyi <davi.rozgonyi@...> wrote:
I have a tangential hot water question on our SM.... it sputters... good pressure but there what is best described as a mix of air that causes the flow to sputter when any 'hot' component is added to the water. Cold water / and freshwater pump run fine with no sputtering.... any ideas? 


Re: Panama Crime on the Caribe Side

Thomas Kleman
 

I have to admit, we have been cruising in this area the past 6 months and the recent uptick in crime has me spooked. The fact that there seems to be no police response is more than alarming. When added to the recent attacks north of San Andres off Nicaragua it paints a grim picture. I'm now considering pushing forward my Canal transit since it's easier than mounting an 88 mm Flak gun on a Super Maramu.

Thomas Kleman
SM2K 422
Shelter Bay Marina


Re: C-Map vs Navionics charts

Peter Forbes
 

We found C-Map very good in our circumnavigation - I had Avionics as my constantly running reserve system but C - Map proved good for us.

Peter
Peter Forbes
0044 7836 209730
Carango  Sailing Ketch
Amel 54 #035
In La Rochelle

On 21 Jul 2019, at 13:18, Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:

We always try to have minimum two different systems. Navionics is one of them, but they have a few nasty mistakes in The Bahamas as example. As back up we have oppenCPN with various charts, iPad and android om which we download what ever we find recommended locally.
Open CPN is very good for planning and have an excellent anchor watch 
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259 Horta 


Re: C-Map vs Navionics charts

Paul Osterberg
 

We always try to have minimum two different systems. Navionics is one of them, but they have a few nasty mistakes in The Bahamas as example. As back up we have oppenCPN with various charts, iPad and android om which we download what ever we find recommended locally.
Open CPN is very good for planning and have an excellent anchor watch 
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259 Horta 


Re: C-Map vs Navionics charts

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
 

He Joerg
I have the same with Navionics in a Raymarine Plotter
On my i Pad i have a lot of more infotmations for the deep and more details

Elja
SY Balu
SM 222

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 21.07.2019 um 13:31 schrieb Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io <jhe1313=yahoo.com@groups.io>:

i have C Map on my Furuno TZ Plotter and Navionics on my iPad as a backup. I’ve been noticing that the C Map charts for the Med often lack detail where we cruising sailors need it most: many little bays suitable as anchorages are just blue without soundings. On the Navionics charts, on the other hand, I often have significant depth soundings and contours and rocks not shown on C map. And there are other inaccuracies as well. Just now on my way south to Carthagena I passed a fish farm 5 miles from land that is not on my C map chart but is shown on Navionics. And I just updated the C map ( but not Navionics).

Is this experience typical for C map in other regions of the world as well? I’m thinking seriously about buying Navionics for the Atlantic. Can you mix C map and Navionics on the same plotter?


C-Map vs Navionics charts

Joerg Esdorn
 

i have C Map on my Furuno TZ Plotter and Navionics on my iPad as a backup.   I’ve been noticing that the C Map charts for the Med often lack detail where we cruising sailors need it most: many little bays suitable as anchorages are just blue without soundings.  On the Navionics charts, on the other hand, I often have significant depth soundings and contours and rocks not shown on C map.  And there are other inaccuracies as well. Just now on my way south to Carthagena I passed a fish farm 5 miles from land that is not on my C map chart but is shown on Navionics.  And I just updated the C map ( but not Navionics).  

Is this experience typical for C map in other regions of the world as well?  I’m thinking seriously about buying Navionics for the Atlantic. Can you mix C map and Navionics on the same plotter?

joerg esdorn
A55 #53’
Kincsem


Re: Auto pilot for a Santorin 46

JOHN HAYES
 

Thanks to those who responded with sensible advice

With time on our hands we bit the bullet first pulling the motor apart and discovered that the small springs holding the brushes in place needed a tweak so they applied more pressure to their task

Then we pulled the arm apart including the small ball bearings gave all a good clean then applied lithium grease. Delicate and slow work to get the ball bearings in place. (Same system as the steering in a David brown tractor)

Whole job took about 6 hours but the auto pilot is working again......whew!!!

There is a shipment of motors and arms heading to NZ in early August......nga Waka’s name is on one of them

Thanks again for the collective advice

Best

John Hayes Sn 41

On 21/07/2019, at 7:55 AM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@xtra.co.nz> wrote:

Hi John, 7 days hand steering is not much fun, I feel for you. My ray marine auto helm stopped functioning once when we were transiting French Polynesia and there was limited help available. All those technicians I could find advised all sorts of expensive replacements. A wise long time cruiser said check the electrical connections to the linear drive. He was right, they were wrong. There was a corroded wire joint. I had wasted two weeks waiting for parts to be delivered. Although two weeks in Raeatea isn't too painful. My fist lesson. Many many faults on our boats systems are caused by simple connection corrosion.
Kind Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl
On 20 July 2019 at 20:22 JOHN HAYES <johnhayes862@gmail.com> wrote:


Hi all

Nga Waka reached Nuku’alofa this afternoon after a slow head wind slog from Wellington; the last 7 days hand steered

The system on the yacht is a Raymarine ST6002 and has been very satisfactory.......until now! It’s a Non hydraulic system and we guess the problem may be brushes in the linear actuator.

Whether or not we can do a repair here in Nuku’alofa I’d like to purchase a second system to install so we might avoid the situation over the past week.

In that context has any one out there purchased an auto helm they find satisfactory and could you please provide a brand and model number.

Thanks for any help or advice anyone might supply

John Hayes sn 41




Re: Super Maramu

Peter Jaeger
 

SM 3 WILSON has one. With fiber filter as described.


Gesendet von Yahoo Mail für iPad

Am Sonntag, Juli 21, 2019, 07:45 schrieb Davi Rozgonyi <davi.rozgonyi@...>:

SM 56 Wake has one. Looks original. 


Re: Super Maramu

Davi Rozgonyi
 

SM 56 Wake has one. Looks original. 


Re: Hot water pressure

Davi Rozgonyi
 

I have a tangential hot water question on our SM.... it sputters... good pressure but there what is best described as a mix of air that causes the flow to sputter when any 'hot' component is added to the water. Cold water / and freshwater pump run fine with no sputtering.... any ideas? 


Re: Panama Crime on the Caribe Side

karkauai
 

In 2017 I found Portobelo to be poor but safe.  There is an interesting history there in that it was the staging port for the Spanish galleons  carrying gold and silver back to Europe.  It was heavily fortified although only one of the four forts has been excavated for viewing.

The sail loft there did some good canvas work for me at a very reasonable price.

If you happen to be cruising Eastern Panama toward the end of October, consider taking in the festival of El Cristina Negro (the Black Christ) at Portobelo, it is quite a spectacle.

I guess it would be wise to check out the crime situation first, but it would be a shame to miss it.

Linton Bay was also poor but safe in 2017, but there wasn’t anything there I would go back to see, especially in view of recent crime.

Sail safe, have fun!
Kent
SM 243
Kristy


On Jul 20, 2019, at 1:33 PM, Porter McRoberts via Groups.Io <portermcroberts@...> wrote:

It would be easy to enjoy the San Blas where there is “less” crime then head to shelter bay marina. We liked the Portobello anchorage, but I have to admit the eyes felt hungry there. And Colon? I’ve been to a lot of places and never felt the way I felt in Colon.  

Just skip Portobello. Cool cannons. Really amazing history. Very sad monkey in a cage. A few Chinese quickmarts. 

My 2 cents. Don’t miss the San Blas!

Porter McRoberts 
S/V IBIS. A54-152
Huahine

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Jul 20, 2019, at 2:45 AM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Eric,

 

This is also true. One of the vessel’s EPRIB was found but there was no sign of wreckage.

 

The crime on the Caribe side of Panama this year has now reach an alarming level. Besides the recent armed robberies, there has be acts of piracy and murder. This includes only the crimes reported on CSSN. The regular crimes against tourist in Colon go mostly unreported and uninvestigated.

 

Thankfully the Pacific side of Panama and Panama City is a completely different story. It hard to believe this is the same country.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of eric freedman
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2019 1:29 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Panama Crime on the Caribe Side

 

Mark,

I understand that in the last few weeks 2 sailboats have disappeared and no word has been heard from them.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark Erdos
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2019 5:51 PM
To: AmelYachtOwners@groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Panama Crime on the Caribe Side

 

Heads up to owners in the Panama area on the Caribbean side. There has been a serious rash of armed robberies between Shelter Bay Marina and the San Blas Islands. Linton Bay is especially volatile at this time. Several boats anchored in various bays were boarded by armed thieves. Details of the robberies can be found on CSSN https://safetyandsecuritynet.org/. At this point no arrest have been made and the robberies are expected to continue.

 

Please be extra vigilant if your plans include sailing in these waters anytime soon.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 


Re: Spade Anchor

Paul Osterberg
 

Ian & Judy
Thank you, you reassure me that I am on the right track changing my Rocna for a Spade. We have a 40 kg Rocna now and hope we can use the 40 kg Spade on the bow roller. As back up we have a Fortress FX 55
Paul


Re: Auto pilot for a Santorin 46

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi John, 7 days hand steering is not much fun, I feel for you. My ray marine auto helm stopped functioning once when we were transiting French Polynesia and there was limited help available. All those technicians I could find advised all sorts of expensive replacements. A wise long time cruiser said check the electrical connections to the linear drive. He was right, they were wrong. There was a corroded wire joint. I had wasted two weeks waiting for parts to be delivered. Although two weeks in Raeatea isn't too painful. My fist lesson. Many many faults on our boats systems are caused by simple connection corrosion.
Kind Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl

On 20 July 2019 at 20:22 JOHN HAYES <johnhayes862@gmail.com> wrote:


Hi all

Nga Waka reached Nuku’alofa this afternoon after a slow head wind slog from Wellington; the last 7 days hand steered

The system on the yacht is a Raymarine ST6002 and has been very satisfactory.......until now! It’s a Non hydraulic system and we guess the problem may be brushes in the linear actuator.

Whether or not we can do a repair here in Nuku’alofa I’d like to purchase a second system to install so we might avoid the situation over the past week.

In that context has any one out there purchased an auto helm they find satisfactory and could you please provide a brand and model number.

Thanks for any help or advice anyone might supply

John Hayes sn 41



Re: Auto pilot for a Santorin 46

Craig Briggs
 

Hi John,

Sorry, but I'm still not clear about your situation. An autopilot system basically has three components; 1. a control unit, 2. an ACU (processor) with a heading sensor, and 3. a drive unit (rotary, linear, etc.)

It sounds like you have an original ST6002 control head that doesn't work and alongside that a second ST6002 control head that now also doesn't work.  You don't mention what ACU(s) you have or if they work but the original was likely a Raymarine ACU400. Does it work? If you have a second ACU, does it work? Then it sounds like you've got an original Raymarine Type 2 Rotary drive actuator but you didn't note if it works or not, plus an added linear drive of unspecified origin that doesn't work (maybe).

It sounds like someone added a redundant system with a linear drive. Does this have it's own ST6002 control unit AND it's own ACU (making it totally redundant)? Is the linear drive back at the quadrant? We can only guess at the configurations you have, but it sounds like you would have little or no re-engineering to simply replace the failed component(s) of either the original rotary system or the added linear system. Fix the one with the least broken parts :-) if you don't want the redundancy.

Cheers, Craig


Re: Panama Crime on the Caribe Side

Porter McRoberts
 

It would be easy to enjoy the San Blas where there is “less” crime then head to shelter bay marina. We liked the Portobello anchorage, but I have to admit the eyes felt hungry there. And Colon? I’ve been to a lot of places and never felt the way I felt in Colon.  

Just skip Portobello. Cool cannons. Really amazing history. Very sad monkey in a cage. A few Chinese quickmarts. 

My 2 cents. Don’t miss the San Blas!

Porter McRoberts 
S/V IBIS. A54-152
Huahine

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Jul 20, 2019, at 2:45 AM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Eric,

 

This is also true. One of the vessel’s EPRIB was found but there was no sign of wreckage.

 

The crime on the Caribe side of Panama this year has now reach an alarming level. Besides the recent armed robberies, there has be acts of piracy and murder. This includes only the crimes reported on CSSN. The regular crimes against tourist in Colon go mostly unreported and uninvestigated.

 

Thankfully the Pacific side of Panama and Panama City is a completely different story. It hard to believe this is the same country.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of eric freedman
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2019 1:29 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Panama Crime on the Caribe Side

 

Mark,

I understand that in the last few weeks 2 sailboats have disappeared and no word has been heard from them.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark Erdos
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2019 5:51 PM
To: AmelYachtOwners@groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Panama Crime on the Caribe Side

 

Heads up to owners in the Panama area on the Caribbean side. There has been a serious rash of armed robberies between Shelter Bay Marina and the San Blas Islands. Linton Bay is especially volatile at this time. Several boats anchored in various bays were boarded by armed thieves. Details of the robberies can be found on CSSN https://safetyandsecuritynet.org/. At this point no arrest have been made and the robberies are expected to continue.

 

Please be extra vigilant if your plans include sailing in these waters anytime soon.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 


Re: Spade Anchor

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Paul,

We have had a 33kg stainless Spade for the past 19 years in countless anchorages and conditions.  Alain Poireaud , the inventor, became a friend though alas has since died.

 When we set off in 2002 on a 7 year  circumnavigation of South America we had three Spades on board. One was a galvanised 33kg, in case we lost our stainless one and we also had one the same size in aluminium, weighing 15k kg. The galvanised one never met the sea and is now on board Eamonn  Washington's SM, Travel Bug. The aluminium one we used about 5 times to tandem anchor when we first arrived in Chile, where we had been assured it would be needed.  It wasn't. Each time we used it in tandem ( as the first down anchor, attached to the main anchor by 10 feet of chain ) it was clear that the main anchor had done all the work on its own, so from then on we have happily relied on just the stainless.

 The aluminium one has remained in the locker ever since except when we used in it to pull a French boat off the beach in Itaparica  in Brazil after he gone ashore in a storm. We laid the anchor out with about 300 meters of line and he winched himself off. The anchor didn't budge.

From what I have heard the rocna is also a fine anchor but the dialogue between the owners of the rocna and Alain when it came to a Wikipedia entry was pretty unhappy. There is room for both anchors--and others--in the boating world. However, I think Alain might have a wry smile on his face as he looks down from his celestial cruising ground and sees the Vulcan, a  development of the original rocna.  Notice any similarity ?

 Ian and Judy,  Pen Azen SM 302 Greece



From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Rudolf Waldispuehl <Rudolf@...>
Sent: 20 July 2019 07:40
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Spade Anchor
 

Hello Paul

 

Sorry to hear that you are not happy with Rocna. I have changed from Original Buegel, (which is now BB on second Roller), to Rocna 40kg and using it the second season now. 

Never dragged since then. I’m very happy with it and had several occasions recently with 180-degree shifts. I observed and dived the Anchor after a shift and discovered it may drag 0.5m or 1m (but not more) for resetting.

I had many troubles with the Buegel in the Agean Sea, especially when the bottom was partly covered by weed the holding was poor. 


Ruedi & Sabina Waldispuehl
"SY WASABI"
Amel 54. #55

MMSI: 269322000  
Call Sign: HBY3811

Von: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Germain Jean-Pierre <jp.germain45@...>
Antworten an: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Datum: Freitag, 19. Juli 2019 um 22:16
An: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Spade Anchor

Hello Paul,

I am a bit surprised your Rocna is not working as you expect; ours was brilliant (on our previous boat) even with a 180 degree wind shift.  Does yours have the roll over bar?  

I had a CQR before on Eleuthera and this was pretty bad so having found a ULTRA dealer who gave me a big discount, I went for it.  If you do ULTRA, the 35Kg has worked perfectly for us. The 45KG should also fit.  Ensure you get the ULTRA swivel and chain claw.  Both are great kit esp the swivel which always brings the anchor aboard right side up.

GL

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM 007, Fiji

On 20 Jul 2019, at 05:32, Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:

We have lost confidence in our Rocna anchor, it served us well for over two years, but this season we have dragged several times, It happens when wind shift 180 degree, then we have slowly slipped backwards. After searching the market we have come to the conclusion that Spade is probably one of te best anchors, great holding power and very god 180 degree resetting.
Now my questions to you out there who have a spade anchor, What size do you have? what is the largest one can fit without major modifications on an SM? 
Would prefer the 45 kg S180 if it fits
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 Horta The Azores

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