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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Finally a real forum member

Sv Garulfo
 


Hi Arno

Always happy to meet, and we'll be back in Curacao at the end of august. 

Cheers 

Thomas 
54-122

On Wed, 27 Jun 2018 at 17:11, arno.luijten@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Thomas,


Are you on the Island at present? If you like we could meet. I’m sure you have all kinds of stories on an Amel 54

Regards,

Arno
Curacao

Re: SM2000 Railing diameter and Supplier for Fixtures

Alan Leslie
 

We are heading to Vuda Pt today
I will fly home for 2 weeks and then we will head to Vanuatu.
So maybe we miss each other again !
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Finally a real forum member

Alan Leslie
 

Tin is seriously bad for the marine environment.
Read this :


In 2008 organotin compounds acting as biocide like TBT compounds were banned in anti-fouling paint and included in the Rotterdam Convention and have been banned by the International Convention on the Control of Harmful Anti-fouling Systems on Ships of the International Maritime Organization. It states that ships cannot bear organotin compounds on their hulls or external parts or surfaces, unless there is a coating that forms a barrier so that organotin compounds cannot leach out to reduce exposure by allowing recovery to occur.

Even though banned by some international agencies, TBT anti-fouling paints are still used in countries with poor regulation enforcement, as in the Caribbean.


Seahawk have this to say about their Islands 44 Tin based paint :

Tin-Based – 1000H Series

Islands 44 Plus HARDER was developed for the harshest tropical environments in the world. Islands 44 Plus HARDER is a multi-seasonal self-polishing paint. It has a high load of copper and tin that will ensure maximum protection against marine growth. The most popular antifouling paint in the Caribbean, Islands 44 Plus Harder is effective on boats of all types and sizes, including mega yachts.

  • Self-cleaning copolymer with high load of tin (TBT) and copper
  • The only tin (TBT) paint available on the market
  • Highest level of antifoulant protection available
  • Highest quality grade of cuprous oxide available (more potent active ingredient)

This product may not be sold or applied in the United States. Please check with your respective Country for regulatory requirements regarding sale and use of the product.


"MAY NOT BE SOLD OR APPLIED IN THE UNITED STATES"

And in fact Seahawk were prosecuted some years ago for still selling tin based paint in the US when they had signed a document saying that they had ceased.

There are god reasons for banning tin based antifouling and it is only irresponsible states that turn a  blind eye to it. To continue to use tin based paints when there are alternatives available is recklessly and selfishly irresponsible given the evidence of the harm they cause to the marine environment.

Alan
Elyse SM437

Re: SM2000 Railing diameter and Supplier for Fixtures

Dominique Guenot
 

Great, that is very helpful.
Thank you for taking the time. 

We will be in Fiji early August for boat work, then sailing. 
We are currently in the pit in Vuda Point Marina 

Will we have the chance to meet? 

Cheers 
Dom 
sv Viva 

Re: SM2000 Railing diameter and Supplier for Fixtures

Alan Leslie
 

Hi Dominique

The rail diameter is 25 mm
Stanchion diameter is 23 mm

Can't help you with suppliers

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
Musket Cove Fiji

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Older Maramu steering system pics

James Alton
 

Miles,

   Good to hear from you as well.  I am sorry to hear that the family has been sick with the stomach bug,  I hope that you do not catch the bug and that everyone feels better soon.

   Thanks for the information on adjusting the cables.  It sounds like the washer with the tabs is some type of a locking device for the nuts.  I have seen some that you can slide the locking device off of the nut and some that you have to actually bend the tabs away.  I have not taken a close look at the adjustment nuts on Sueño but will soon!  My surveyor felt that there was a little too much play in the steering system so I will try to remove the play.

   I would not worry too much about the lack of gel coat on the bottom since it is not a very good moisture barrier.  The epoxy coatings are the best.  The thicker the coating the more protection you have but some epoxies apply thicker than others so you cannot really go by coats.  I would suggest finding out which product the yard plans to use and to do some research.  The Interlux Interprotect seems to work pretty well if the product is fresh and properly applied.  On the other hand I have also seen this product soften and blisters form under the epoxy coating on one boat.  Not sure of what happened there.  The only other barrier coating system that I am familiar with is the West System Epoxy with the 422 additive.  The West Epoxy is a thin coating so you need quite a few coats but seems to work quite well.

   Yes, we are going to definitely need some time off!  We would like to spend all of our time off on the boat sailing!  I am trying to figure out how to arrange a long (10 months) trip cruising the Med. while following the 3 month Schengen Visa limitations.  I think that we can spend 3 months in Croatia which so far has not joined Schengen but I think that this might change sometime in 2019.  North Africa and Turkey are two other possibilities but I have some concerns about safety that I am researching.  If you have any suggestions let me know.

Best,

James

On Jun 25, 2018, at 6:34 AM, 'smilesbernard@...' smilesbernard@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi James

Good to hear from you
I know that busy feeling !
We leave the uk on the 17th and have thew house to clear for rental plus everyone but me has a vomiting bug! 

I'm very glad the pics are helpful :)
yes very very little wear on the racks
yes the cables are adjusted at the quadrant 
you can see the adjustment points on the attached pic

I actually dont know how these work. I had to slacken off one side to allow for the reassembly so i need to look at is again and readjust things but its a strange set up. The locking/adjustment nuts either side of the tube clamp are held captive by a large washer with tabs on it (just about visible on the pic). So i cant quite figure out how you are supposed to adjust things as the nuts wont turn as they are held in place

I'll have another look once we are afloat again

Thanks so much for the thoughts on the anode attachments. I will check .... i did not remove the anode of connecting bolt so i'm not sure if it had to be screwed out of if its just pushed through a whole in the rudder metal.
I'll see it the yard can thread it if not, put a bigger threaded bar in place and oversize the anode holes

She's had all her antifoul and primer stripped
which revealed the hull in good shape - nice and dry but no gelcoat - in places you can see the fiber. I think it must have been stripped before. The yard is suggesting 4 or 5 coats of epoxy before the coppercoat. Do you think that sounds about right?


Hope you manage to find some space between the work to rest soon



All the very best

Miles

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow-Truster overheat

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

I was just reading the user manual of the 54 and it says: (Page 1-13) don’t use the bow thruster for more than 30 seconds in one push.

Sincerely, Alexandre




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On Wed, 6/27/18, 'Mohammad Shirloo' mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow-Truster overheat
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, June 27, 2018, 12:41 PM


 












Hello
Reudi;
 
Yes,
the Amel 54 has a thermal cutoff to prevent damage to the
thruster as well as
continuous high current draw (Around 550 Amps at 24V) which
could lead to fire
on board. We've had the thermal cutoff kick in  only a
couple of times
and it has reset in a matter of minutes. We have not timed
the exact reset
duration.
 
I'm
not aware of any adjustments in the thermal cutoff. The bow
thruster has a
direct connection to the batteries without a breaker. The
thermal cutoff is the
only safety items preventing major damage to the thruster
and/or
wiring.
 
Try to
use the thruster in bursts (less than 15 seconds), as much
as possible, so it
has time to cool down between usage. We try to over correct
a bit when we use
use the BT so as the bow falls off, the BT has more time to
cool.
 
Respectfully;
Mohammad
Shirloo
323-633-2222
Cell
310-644-0908
Fax
 



From:
amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 27,
2018 9:58 AM
To:
amelyachtowners@...
Subject:
[Amel Yacht Owners] Bow-Truster overheat


 


Dear Forum
On my Amel-54 I discovered that the bow truster stops
working after
repeatingly use within 10-15 min timeframe.
I used the bow truster a bit more than usual when I
practiced some manouvers
first time; - and on a second occation when I had to
manouver in a marina with a
lot of windguests of 18+ kn and another chain over my
Anker.
It stopped working and after a while (maybe 10 min.) it
re-started &
operated normaly. I know BT Is not made for constant use, -
only few seconds at
a time. Then wait and re-use another time.
Question from a beginner:
Does the bow truster has a termic fuse which is activated
after some time of
usage to save the motor from overheating? 
Does anyone know exactly how it works and if this can be
adjusted because I
think the BT on Wasabi switches of quite fast. Any ideas or
other
information?
Best regards
Ruedi
SY Wasabi A54#55
Sailing Cyclades GR.

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Finally a real forum member

Robert Giroux
 

There are severe constraints on tin supply with very few producers. Given the outrageously high dilution ratio of total boat hull surface to ocean water volume, I would think this is purely an economically driven lobbying effort from some corporate interest that sees an advantage. Like most things regulatory. I happened to witness Kent’s hull last time it was out of the water and it was immaculate!

 

Regards,

Robert Giroux

FUTURE SM Owner

 

From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 2:06 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Finally a real forum member

 

 

Hi Arno, 

 

I would not worry too much about your pollution level… the commercial ships never have barnacles or green on their hulls.

 

What do you think makes their AF so effective?  Yet the regulators ban the use of products on recreational yachts…

 

Go figure.

 

Regards,

 

Jean-Pierre Germain

SY Eleuthera, SM 007



On 26 Jun 2018, at 08:42, Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Arno,

 

I have Coppercoat on my SM.  Some of Bill Rouse’s cautions apply.. such as the growth of algaeon the hull.  However, I have NO barnacles whatsoever after 3 years in the Med, Caribbean, Panama and Pacific.  

 

Yes, I do clean the hull every 2 months.

 

Regards,

 

Jean-Pierre Germain

SY Eleuthera, SM 007.



On 26 Jun 2018, at 08:30, Alex Ramseyer alexramseyer@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi Arno,

I'll be in Caracao in the end of July/August timeframe with my boat. Would be nice to meet then. Do you have a local phone?

Best regards,

Alex

SY NO STRESS

AMEL54 #15

 

 

On Tuesday, June 26, 2018, 2:12:37 PM GMT-4, arno.luijten@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Forum,

 

After quite some time lurking on this forum and provided unsollicited comments to Amel owners , we finally managed to get hold of one of our own. If all goes well we will gain the ownership by mid-July.

She is a 2009 Amel 54 in dire need of a lot of t.l.c.

We will bring her to Curacao in the next month and put her on the hard for the remainder of the hurricane season. There we will start with the extensive process to bring her back to her original “Grandeur”.

 

My first question is about Coppercoat. Is that possible/recommendable for an Amel?

 

I’m sure many other questions will pop up in the coming months.

 

Regards

 

Arno

A54 - Luna

 

 

 

 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Finally a real forum member

Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air <jgermain@...>
 

Hi Arno, 

I would not worry too much about your pollution level… the commercial ships never have barnacles or green on their hulls.

What do you think makes their AF so effective?  Yet the regulators ban the use of products on recreational yachts…

Go figure.

Regards,

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM 007

On 26 Jun 2018, at 08:42, Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi Arno,


I have Coppercoat on my SM.  Some of Bill Rouse’s cautions apply.. such as the growth of algaeon the hull.  However, I have NO barnacles whatsoever after 3 years in the Med, Caribbean, Panama and Pacific.  

Yes, I do clean the hull every 2 months.

Regards,

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM 007.

On 26 Jun 2018, at 08:30, Alex Ramseyer alexramseyer@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hi Arno,
I'll be in Caracao in the end of July/August timeframe with my boat. Would be nice to meet then. Do you have a local phone?
Best regards,
Alex
SY NO STRESS
AMEL54 #15


On Tuesday, June 26, 2018, 2:12:37 PM GMT-4, arno.luijten@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 

Dear Forum,


After quite some time lurking on this forum and provided unsollicited comments to Amel owners , we finally managed to get hold of one of our own. If all goes well we will gain the ownership by mid-July.

She is a 2009 Amel 54 in dire need of a lot of t.l.c.

We will bring her to Curacao in the next month and put her on the hard for the remainder of the hurricane season. There we will start with the extensive process to bring her back to her original “Grandeur”.


My first question is about Coppercoat. Is that possible/recommendable for an Amel?


I’m sure many other questions will pop up in the coming months.


Regards


Arno

A54 - Luna





Re: Finally a real forum member

Arno Luijten
 

I’m surprised you can still buy that stuff. It’s increadebly bad for the environment as it messes up the hormone-balance. In Europe it has been bannen for quite some years now. So no Tin-based a/f for us.

Thanks for your response though.

amel Santorin

william reynolds
 

Has anyone seen or are aware of a Santorin galley that has been modified to U shaped or L shaped?

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow-Truster overheat

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hello Reudi;
 
Yes, the Amel 54 has a thermal cutoff to prevent damage to the thruster as well as continuous high current draw (Around 550 Amps at 24V) which could lead to fire on board. We've had the thermal cutoff kick in  only a couple of times and it has reset in a matter of minutes. We have not timed the exact reset duration.
 
I'm not aware of any adjustments in the thermal cutoff. The bow thruster has a direct connection to the batteries without a breaker. The thermal cutoff is the only safety items preventing major damage to the thruster and/or wiring.
 
Try to use the thruster in bursts (less than 15 seconds), as much as possible, so it has time to cool down between usage. We try to over correct a bit when we use use the BT so as the bow falls off, the BT has more time to cool.
 
Respectfully;
Mohammad Shirloo
323-633-2222 Cell
310-644-0908 Fax
 


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 9:58 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow-Truster overheat

 

Dear Forum

On my Amel-54 I discovered that the bow truster stops working after repeatingly use within 10-15 min timeframe.

I used the bow truster a bit more than usual when I practiced some manouvers first time; - and on a second occation when I had to manouver in a marina with a lot of windguests of 18+ kn and another chain over my Anker.

It stopped working and after a while (maybe 10 min.) it re-started & operated normaly. I know BT Is not made for constant use, - only few seconds at a time. Then wait and re-use another time.

Question from a beginner:

Does the bow truster has a termic fuse which is activated after some time of usage to save the motor from overheating? 

Does anyone know exactly how it works and if this can be adjusted because I think the BT on Wasabi switches of quite fast. Any ideas or other information?

Best regards

Ruedi

SY Wasabi A54#55

Sailing Cyclades GR.



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow-Truster overheat

Courtney Gorman
 

Ruedi,
it takes ALOT of power did you have your generator on?
Cheers
Courtney
Trippin 54 #101


-----Original Message-----
From: Rudolf@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Wed, Jun 27, 2018 12:58 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow-Truster overheat

 
Dear Forum
On my Amel-54 I discovered that the bow truster stops working after repeatingly use within 10-15 min timeframe.
I used the bow truster a bit more than usual when I practiced some manouvers first time; - and on a second occation when I had to manouver in a marina with a lot of windguests of 18+ kn and another chain over my Anker.
It stopped working and after a while (maybe 10 min.) it re-started & operated normaly. I know BT Is not made for constant use, - only few seconds at a time. Then wait and re-use another time.
Question from a beginner:
Does the bow truster has a termic fuse which is activated after some time of usage to save the motor from overheating? 
Does anyone know exactly how it works and if this can be adjusted because I think the BT on Wasabi switches of quite fast. Any ideas or other information?
Best regards
Ruedi
SY Wasabi A54#55
Sailing Cyclades GR.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow-Truster overheat

 

Ruedi,

The Amel 54 Bow Thruster has an internal thermal switch (sometimes called thermal reset or thermal cutout). 10 - 15 minutes is a lot of use and will probably cause the thermal switch to open. You should limit your use to 5 second bursts with at least 5 seconds between bursts. Sometimes people will overuse a bow thruster by constantly correcting back-and-forth. If this is what you are doing, try to minimize having to correct.

The thermal switch in the Amel 54 bow thruster has been known to become defective. I know of one case of this happening and SidePower suggested that the thruster needed to be returned to them for replacement. I am not sure if you or I could do this replacement of the thermal switch because I have never done it.

Good luck.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970






On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 11:58 AM Rudolf@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Dear Forum

On my Amel-54 I discovered that the bow truster stops working after repeatingly use within 10-15 min timeframe.

I used the bow truster a bit more than usual when I practiced some manouvers first time; - and on a second occation when I had to manouver in a marina with a lot of windguests of 18+ kn and another chain over my Anker.

It stopped working and after a while (maybe 10 min.) it re-started & operated normaly. I know BT Is not made for constant use, - only few seconds at a time. Then wait and re-use another time.

Question from a beginner:

Does the bow truster has a termic fuse which is activated after some time of usage to save the motor from overheating? 

Does anyone know exactly how it works and if this can be adjusted because I think the BT on Wasabi switches of quite fast. Any ideas or other information?

Best regards

Ruedi

SY Wasabi A54#55

Sailing Cyclades GR.



Bow-Truster overheat

Rudolf Waldispuehl
 

Dear Forum

On my Amel-54 I discovered that the bow truster stops working after repeatingly use within 10-15 min timeframe.

I used the bow truster a bit more than usual when I practiced some manouvers first time; - and on a second occation when I had to manouver in a marina with a lot of windguests of 18+ kn and another chain over my Anker.

It stopped working and after a while (maybe 10 min.) it re-started & operated normaly. I know BT Is not made for constant use, - only few seconds at a time. Then wait and re-use another time.

Question from a beginner:

Does the bow truster has a termic fuse which is activated after some time of usage to save the motor from overheating? 

Does anyone know exactly how it works and if this can be adjusted because I think the BT on Wasabi switches of quite fast. Any ideas or other information?

Best regards

Ruedi

SY Wasabi A54#55

Sailing Cyclades GR.



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Do you want a spare Linear Actuator control board?

mfmcgovern@...
 

Kent,

I completely missed this message.  Sorry about that!  We are in Deale at Herrington Harbor North. I do have a few more PCBs available from the first batch that I had made.  If you are still interested, you can email me directly at mfmcgovern at gmail dot com.  

From what I can tell, the whole linear actuator assembly came from a company called SNT (www.snt.tm.fr/)  I was unable to get any response from them via email even when I had my french-speaking daughter translate my email.  

Thanks,
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale. MD USA

SM2000 Railing diameter and Supplier for Fixtures

Dominique Guenot
 

Sorry for the blast. I am not on the boat and would like to buy some parts for a side solar panel project


Could you be so kind to confirm the diameter of a SM200 railing: 

- Horizontal railing diameter 25mm Is that correct? 

- Stanchion diameter 22mm is that correct? 


I am also looking for a supplier (USA or Europe) of fixtures like: 

-swivel for solar panel around the railings 

-adjustable leg  to support 

-any fixture that will fit - either railing or stanchion


I did some internet search but did not find a comprehensive set.


Any help will be greatly appreciated 

Thank you so much

Dominique 

sv Viva currently in Fiji 


Re: Cam lock on main halyard?

Peter de Groot
 

Thank you Alan,
Yes the leech of the main is already in bad shape. It tends to fold over when furling. The last 2 or 3 feet don’t straighten out until sailing some distance. I’ve had the leech line replaced and I have a new bungee that still needs to be installed. I’m planning to work a Santa Cruz sail loft when it’s time to order a new main. Your comments are appreciated.

Btw: my main halyard is full length which prompted the cam lock question

Best
Peter
La Querida sm 207

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Finally a real forum member

Arno Luijten
 

Hi Thomas,

Are you on the Island at present? If you like we could meet. I’m sure you have all kinds of stories on an Amel 54

Regards,

Arno
Curacao

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Finally a real forum member

Sv Garulfo
 

Hi Arno,

Congratulations and welcome !

We put coppercoat on Garulfo last year. 
It worked great in the med. 
In the Caribbean, we were disappointed to get green algae. But no barnacles whatsoever, just soft stuff and, in Martinique, the tiny shrimps that seems to feed on it. 
However, one advantage of coppercoat is that you can very easily remove whatever has tried to stick to it with a sponge and you get back to where you started. And that for years to come. We've done it a couple of times in the Caribbean before longer passages. 

If you search the forum, you'll get more instances of positive feedback and analysis of pros and cons and tips for application. 
One piece I agree on is Bill Rouse's: satisfaction with the product depends on your expectations.


Hope that helps,

Thomas
GARULFO 
A54-122
Curacao



On Wed, 27 Jun 2018 at 13:49, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Congratulations and welcome to the group Arno.

I am using SeaHawk Island 44.  It is available in the US only for boats over 75 ft.  It is tin based and works great for 4-4.5 years.  All the big boats and ships use tin- based paints because they perform better.

I haven’t hauled the boat just to service the prop shaft.  My C-drive oil remains clear.  I drop the bow thruster after 2 years to check the oil in it and so far it has remained clear and no loss.  I rarely dock so the bow thruster gets very little use.  I put 4-500 hours a year on the engine.

A word of warning...nothing else sticks to tin-based paints.  To recoat with another product, the hull has to be completely stripped (in a closed environment in the US).

Kent Robertson
Kristy
SM 243


On Jun 27, 2018, at 7:32 AM, 'Luijten A.F.' arno.luijten@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks to all the people for the advice and congrats. It seems the Micron 77-stuff is the way forward.