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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Installing diesel heating on a Super Maramu

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Terry,
Here are some pictures on how my Espar heater was installed
http://www.nikimat.com/espar_d5lc.html
Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Wed, 8/22/18, singh_terence@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Installing diesel heating on a Super Maramu
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, August 22, 2018, 10:39 PM


 









I am looking to install Hydronic heating on
Libby as she will be in the Pacific North West for a few
years to come. This will give us the flexibility to cruise
at will during the winter months.
I understand some SM's might have
had diesel heating installed at the factory.  Is this the
case?
If so, I would
appreciate a clear understanding of where the furnace is
installed and where the exhaust through hull is located and
any other important considerations for this
installation.
I would also
appreciate any commentary or thoughts from owners that have
retrofitted diesel heating, either forced air or hydronic.
(hot water heating via radiators and DC fans)
Terry SinghS.V.LibbySM#196
Maple Bay, BC


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Raymarine ACU 400 AP

SV Perigee
 

Hi Paul,

We recently installed the RM EVO-400, installing also a new Linear Drive (servicing the old one and keeping it for spares). 

Like you, we were happy with the performance of the old unit.  I also preferred the way of directly adjusting sensitivity on the old A/P.  For the new EVO-400, I dislike that you need to be in STBY to adjust anything in the lower menus. 

I have not made any adjustments to the A/P settings - it is still configured with the default settings as it came "out of the box" - I set it to "slow sail boat" during the initial config process.  We have not quite 1,000nm on the unit, about 500nm of which was downwind, during which seas to 2.5-3m, confused; wind to 22kts, 155-175º apparent.  Genoa poled out (couldn't fly the Ballooner because of a broken up-lock.)

I do not see any big differences between the 'Performance' and other settings.  Just a slightly quicker response, and closer track/heading keeping.  I haven't seen the need to adjust the various parameters such as rudder damping, or response speeds.   So
I haven't (yet) done a deep study of the finer points of adjusting the A/P settings.

Regarding the performance of the new unit: so far, all OK, with none of the control problems you report.

I will have a look at my set-up parameters, and provide a report back on these. 

We are hoping that you can get your A/P working as it should.  I think one needs to be able to trust the A/P completely.
Best,

David & Leanne
Perigee SM#396
Curaçao



On Wednesday, 22 August 2018, 19:15, "osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:
 
Hello!
I have installed the Raymarine ACU 400 Auto Pilot together with new Raymarine instruments, I use my old Autohelm AP electronics as back up. I kept the old drive units, so only the electronic part is new.
I did expect better performance from the new system even though I was rather happy with the old system.
The new system works OK going up wind can't say it is better than the old system.
The problem is down wind the new is inferior to the old system. I assume it is a trimming but it is rather awkward to adjust as one need waves and high wind but if you have that you can't have the AP in Auto but it must be in stand by to adjust settings that are rather fare down the menu, not very user friendly.
When going down wind the course is not very straight on the contrary one has to gard it very carefully and sometimes take over and do manual steering, which i have not needed to do with the old electronics, with the old we have sailed down wind with 40 knots apparent wind so true has been close to 48 knots and the course has been rather stable. even with rather large sea.
Now we have problem when wind approaching 20 knots and waves less than 2 meters. 
The setting we have is 
Hard over time 16,5s
Rudder damping 2
Display response 5 for speed and wind, do not now if that influence the AP performance , can't say I'm impressed of the manual who cover tree different AP .
can't say it's a big difference when using Performance, Cruising or Leisure settings for Response level 
Anyone having this system on an Super Maramu, what are your settings? How does it perform for you?
Any advice how to trim the system?
Paul on SY Kerpa AM#259





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Watermaker and transmission fluid

Patrick McAneny
 

Alan, This is why I asked the question, I could not remember what I used the last time . Then when I went into the auto store I was surprised by how many different fluids there was to chose from. There must have been ten at least.
Thanks,
Pat
SM123


-----Original Message-----
From: divanz620@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Thu, Aug 23, 2018 3:02 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Watermaker and transmission fluid

 
Thanks Eric,
apologies if i have misled people.
You are quite right.
After some research I discover there are a lot of ATF variants that are specified for different applications.
Advice : don't listen to me, read the manual !!
I should take my own advice !!

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Watermaker and transmission fluid

Craig Briggs
 


Hi Pat,

You definitely can run your watermaker in fresh water without ruining the membrane(s). The only caveat is that you must not exceed your fresh water output rating.  

Start your unit up with, as Alan says, the pressure knob fully closed (which you normally do). Then bring the pressure up slowly and monitor the fresh water output flow. In sea water, where you might need 800 psi to get your rated output (mine is 20 gph), in brackish it's maybe 400 or so and only 200ish in fresh water.

For a good video on this by Rich Boren, who owns the CruiseRO company, check out http://blog.cruiserowaterandpower.com/can-i-run-a-marine-water-maker-in-fresh-or-brackish-water/
If the link on the last line gets garbled by yahoo, it is http colon slash slash blog dot cruiserowaterandpower dot com slash can-i-run-a-marine-water-maker-in-fresh-or-brackish-water slash

I used to do this all the time on Sangaris, so I know it works.

Cheers, Craig SN68

---In amelyachtowners@..., <sailw32@...> wrote :

Alan, I am concerned about that , leaving them pickled so long and they were new four years ago. So it sounds like there is no way to fully test the system until I get to salt water. If I could find a way to make up some salt water and recirculate it ,that would work. I would like to put it through a stress test prior to heading for the Caribbean.
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wed, Aug 22, 2018 4:33 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Watermaker and transmission fluid

 
Hi Pat,

ATF 90 - Automatic Transmission Fluid SAE 90

You can rinse the membranes with fresh water with the pressure knob fully anti clockwise i.e. no pressure.
If you pressurise the membranes with fresh water you will ruin them - if they are not already ruined from sitting pickled for that length of time.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Easy and novel way to remove membrane end caps.

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Alternatively.....take a short piece of webbing and make a loop, trapping the ends of the loop onto the end cap with a jubilee clip.  Sit down in the cockpit with a beer. Put the loop over a cleat on the mizzen mast and give the tube a sharp tug.  Bingo! (  only two hands needed and you don't get wet ! )


Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Greece


From: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: 23 August 2018 06:21:08
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Easy and novel way to remove membrane end caps.
 


Nice method 
Michael 


On Thu, 23 Aug 2018 at 12:46, eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]
wrote:
 


Once you have the membrane assembly apart disconnect the membranes from each other. Put a 1/2 inch tubing over the hose nipple with a hose clamp. This is connected to a water supply, dock or boat water, turn on the water. Let the air escape and then put your finger over the hole where the water is escaping. 

Hold the hole closed with your finger. As the water pressurizes the vessel  the end caps will slide out due to water pressure . Just hold the loosest end cap  in place until the second one comes out.
Easiest way yet to remove the end caps. 3 hands is helpful.

Oh don't forget new O rings.
Fair Winds,
Eric
Sm 376 Kimberlite

On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 05:33 PM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... 



Re: Masse Light and March Pump

Alan Leslie
 

I have UP14 and it draws about 5-7 Amps from low flow to tap fully open..if its just a dribble it goes down to 3 Amps
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Watermaker and transmission fluid

Alan Leslie
 

Thanks Eric,
apologies if i have misled people.
You are quite right.
After some research I discover there are a lot of ATF variants that are specified for different applications.
Advice : don't listen to me, read the manual !!
I should take my own advice !!

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Easy and novel way to remove membrane end caps.

michael winand
 

Nice method 

On Thu, 23 Aug 2018 at 12:46, eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]
wrote:
 


Once you have the membrane assembly apart disconnect the membranes from each other. Put a 1/2 inch tubing over the hose nipple with a hose clamp. This is connected to a water supply, dock or boat water, turn on the water. Let the air escape and then put your finger over the hole where the water is escaping. 

Hold the hole closed with your finger. As the water pressurizes the vessel  the end caps will slide out due to water pressure . Just hold the loosest end cap  in place until the second one comes out.
Easiest way yet to remove the end caps. 3 hands is helpful.

Oh don't forget new O rings.
Fair Winds,
Eric
Sm 376 Kimberlite

On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 05:33 PM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Watermaker and transmission fluid

eric freedman
 


Re: Santorin spinnaker question

Alan Leslie
 

Hi Herbert
sorry for the delay....here are two pics...it's difficult to photograph, but there's a weldment forward of the mast head and the block is attached to that.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Watermaker and transmission fluid

Alan Leslie
 

If its a Hurth or ZF its ATF-90.
All those brands listed are just that, brands.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Installing diesel heating on a Super Maramu

Terence Singh
 

I am looking to install Hydronic heating on Libby as she will be in the Pacific North West for a few years to come. This will give us the flexibility to cruise at will during the winter months.


I understand some SM's might have had diesel heating installed at the factory.  Is this the case?


If so, I would appreciate a clear understanding of where the furnace is installed and where the exhaust through hull is located and any other important considerations for this installation.


I would also appreciate any commentary or thoughts from owners that have retrofitted diesel heating, either forced air or hydronic. (hot water heating via radiators and DC fans)


Terry Singh

S.V.Libby

SM#196 Maple Bay, BC



 


Easy and novel way to remove membrane end caps.

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Watermaker and transmission fluid

eric freedman
 


Re: Masse Light and March Pump

Duane Siegfri
 

I just ran mine to answer your question and it pulled about 3 amps while it was pumping at 100%. How does that stack up with yours?  While you have any tap wide open it will pump at 100% of capacity.  

I have the UP3 by the way.

Duane
Currently in Jamestown Boatyard, Narragansett Bay


Re: Watermaker and transmission fluid

Duane Siegfri
 

Pat,

If you're going to count on the watermaker (and it is a great asset for those of us who enjoy anchoring out) I would just buy new membranes and have a clean slate.  Replacing them will also give you the joy of maintaining your boat while learning entirely new curse words to suit the occasion.  

Really...just replace them and sleep well.

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


Raymarine ACU 400 AP

Paul Osterberg
 

Hello!

I have installed the Raymarine ACU 400 Auto Pilot together with new Raymarine instruments, I use my old Autohelm AP electronics as back up. I kept the old drive units, so only the electronic part is new.

I did expect better performance from the new system even though I was rather happy with the old system.

The new system works OK going up wind can't say it is better than the old system.

The problem is down wind the new is inferior to the old system. I assume it is a trimming but it is rather awkward to adjust as one need waves and high wind but if you have that you can't have the AP in Auto but it must be in stand by to adjust settings that are rather fare down the menu, not very user friendly.

When going down wind the course is not very straight on the contrary one has to gard it very carefully and sometimes take over and do manual steering, which i have not needed to do with the old electronics, with the old we have sailed down wind with 40 knots apparent wind so true has been close to 48 knots and the course has been rather stable. even with rather large sea.

Now we have problem when wind approaching 20 knots and waves less than 2 meters. 

The setting we have is 

Hard over time 16,5s

Rudder damping 2

Display response 5 for speed and wind, do not now if that influence the AP performance , can't say I'm impressed of the manual who cover tree different AP .

can't say it's a big difference when using Performance, Cruising or Leisure settings for Response level 

Anyone having this system on an Super Maramu, what are your settings? How does it perform for you?

Any advice how to trim the system?

Paul on SY Kerpa AM#259




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Watermaker and transmission fluid

Patrick McAneny
 

Alan, I am concerned about that , leaving them pickled so long and they were new four years ago. So it sounds like there is no way to fully test the system until I get to salt water. If I could find a way to make up some salt water and recirculate it ,that would work. I would like to put it through a stress test prior to heading for the Caribbean.
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: divanz620@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Wed, Aug 22, 2018 4:33 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Watermaker and transmission fluid

 
Hi Pat,

ATF 90 - Automatic Transmission Fluid SAE 90

You can rinse the membranes with fresh water with the pressure knob fully anti clockwise i.e. no pressure.
If you pressurise the membranes with fresh water you will ruin them - if they are not already ruined from sitting pickled for that length of time.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Nigel Calder & Aric Euler at the SSCA Annapolis GAM

Craig Briggs
 

Especially for anyone attending the Amel Rendezvous, you are very welcome to attend the SSCA Sunday evening, Sept 30 presentation by Nigel Calder at the Maryland YC. If you've not heard Nigel before you're in for a treat. There is a modest guest fee and you can include dinner at 6:30 if you wish. 

Also, during the day from 9:40 to noon there's a Diesel engine talk by Arin Euler, who is one of the best mechanics around and an excellent presenter who will delve into any issues you may have.  I'm sure he's got a lot of insight on small common rail engines.

Go to ssca dot org and click on Events for more info.

Cheers,

Craig Briggs SN68 (former SSCA President, so I get to post this advert :-)


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Watermaker and transmission fluid

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Alan,

I thought SAE 90 was gear oil,(for the C drive) not transmission fluid.(for the gear box) 

Regards

Danny

On 23 August 2018 at 08:33 "divanz620@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Pat,


ATF 90 - Automatic Transmission Fluid SAE 90

You can rinse the membranes with fresh water with the pressure knob fully anti clockwise i.e. no pressure.
If you pressurise the membranes with fresh water you will ruin them - if they are not already ruined from sitting pickled for that length of time.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437