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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Long block failure on a Volvo D3-110 Amel 54-152

Porter McRoberts
 

Great article Bill. 
Thank you very much. 
I’m very interested in this marinized Kubota /Beta. 
Some good thinking out there!

Porter A54-152


On Aug 18, 2018, at 5:55 AM, 'S/V Garulfo' svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello

we struggled to find it too and ended up purchasing this version (for 110B not C) from this website: https://www.reliable-store.com/

I have uploaded the manuals we have for the volvo penta d3 to the files section: Volvo Penta

The fault codes can be seen in the table of contents of the D3 workshop manual but the document is not complete. I’ll see if I can find a better version. 

Thomas
away from
GARULFO A54-122
Curaçao



On 17 August 2018 at 21:34, trifin@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thomas, do you have a suggestion on where to get a workshop manual?
I’ve had no luck with Volvo, or the ‘manuals-online’ sites.
Cheers
Dean



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Rendezvous St Michaels, MD Oct 1-4 2018

Patrick McAneny
 

Danny, Should be, I wish you and Yvonne could join us.
Pat
SM123


-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Sat, Aug 18, 2018 12:38 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Rendezvous St Michaels, MD Oct 1-4 2018

 
Wow. What a gathering.
Danny
SM299
Ocean pearl from the far off south pacific
On 17 August 2018 at 13:22 "sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
 

Below is a list of all the boats/people that have notified me of their intention to attend the Amel Rendezvous in St.Michaels, Maryland on the Miles River starting on Oct.1. Please review the list, and contact me if you no longer plan to attend.  If you are not on the list, and plan to attend, contact me and I will add you to the list. Lastly, we need an accurate head count, if the head count is wrong under your name, contact me. Please contact me direct at (sailw32@...), so not to gum up the Amel site.  Right now, it looks like 17 Amels and 36 people plan to at tend, that should make for a hell of a party! 



Pat & Diane McAneny
SM Shenanigans

 

 
                               Amel Chesapeake Rendezvous 2018
 BoatWhonumber of people
 Will fly in Joel Potter1
1ShenanigansPat & Diane McAneny2
2KristyKent Robertson and Iris2
3Life is GoodVladimir and Marina2
4AletesMike & Lauren Ondra
2
 AletesTom Peacock1
5It's GoodMark and Jennifer Garver2
6CaraMark and Denise McGovern2
7GaleneGreg and Lora Wirth2
8WandererDuane and Peg Siegfried2
9HarmonieBill Kinney and Karen Smith2
10SangarisCraig and Katherine 2
 looking for a boatAlan and Laura Grayson2
11BrevisSherman Gifford & Glenn Ayers2
12TouRaiSteve Morrison1
13FiascoAras1
14Have Fun!David Lambertsen1
15Brass RingMark and Debbie Mueller2
16JoyChuck and Kim Lacey2
17RascalRick and Linda Grimes2  
 Future SM2K ownerBrent Cameron1

 

 

 


Re: Lenght of anchorchain?SM2000

Alan Leslie
 

YES Bob very good...but i doubt we could carry an anchor that size !!
However, I do remember many years ago Steve saying if people joke about the large size of your anchor, you've probably got it about right...at that time we had a very small boat, BUT we had the biggest anchor that would fit, and we never dragged.
We have dragged only once with Elyse and that was , I am sure, due to a not so good anchorage, rocky bottom, and a serious wind change, that sent us loose towards a reef...thanks to the Furuno anchor alarm, we managed to move after only a minor contact with the reef
AND we had about 4:1 scope on all chain with a nylon snubber in about 25 knots

But it was the bottom holding that was the issue...not scope, not the anchor..

Every situation is different ....you have to work it out for your self...

Cheers
Alan
Elyse Sm437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Long block failure on a Volvo D3-110 Amel 54-152

Sv Garulfo
 

Hello

we struggled to find it too and ended up purchasing this version (for 110B not C) from this website: https://www.reliable-store.com/

I have uploaded the manuals we have for the volvo penta d3 to the files section: Volvo Penta

The fault codes can be seen in the table of contents of the D3 workshop manual but the document is not complete. I’ll see if I can find a better version. 

Thomas
away from
GARULFO A54-122
Curaçao



On 17 August 2018 at 21:34, trifin@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thomas, do you have a suggestion on where to get a workshop manual?
I’ve had no luck with Volvo, or the ‘manuals-online’ sites.
Cheers
Dean



Re: Lenght of anchorchain?SM2000

Alan Leslie
 

YES Bob very good...but i doubt we could carry an anchor that size !!
However, I do remember many years ago Steve saying if people joke about the large size of your anchor, you've probably got it about right...at that time we had a very small boat, BUT we had the biggest anchor that would fit, and we never dragged.
We have dragged only once with Elyse and that was , I am sure, due to a not so good anchorage, rocky bottom, and a serious wind change, that sent us loose towards a reef...thanks to the Furuno anchor alarm, we managed to move after only a minor contact with the reef
AND we had about 4:1 scope on all chain with a nylon snubber in about 25 knots

But it was the bottom holding that was the issue...not scope, not the anchor..

Every situation is different ....you have to work it out for your self...

Cheers
Alan
Elyse Sm437


Re: Lenght of anchorchain?SM2000

rossirossix4
 

Related to recent discussions on this....an informative article on chain vs chain and rope in deeper anchoring.  BTW gotta love Steve Dashew -- 3/8" 10mm chain and a 110kg 250lb Rocna--anyway--  https://www.petersmith.net.nz/boat-anchors/catenary.php  

Bob and Suzanne, SM 429 KAIMI
Currently Saint-Jean-Cap-Ferrat, France
 


Re: Lenght of anchorchain?SM2000

Alan Leslie
 

We have 100m of Maggi Aqua 4 chain and 200m of rope.
We have only had to use the rope twice and that was in 30+ knots in French Polynesia.
We would prefer not to use the rope if at all possible.
When I bought the new chain in 2014 and I saw what space it occupied in the chain locker, I realised that i could have bought 130m + ...and i will next time
Cheers
Alan
Elyse Sm437
Vanuatu.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Long block failure on a Volvo D3-110 Amel 54-152

Dean Gillies
 

Porter,
I’ve done your smoke test.
Yes, under the rapid throttle action, a puff of black smoke comes from our Volvo exhaust exactly as you describe. Not confidence inspiring! Hmmm.

I look forward to seeing other owners results of this quick test.


Dean
SY Stella
Amel 54#154


Lenght of anchorchain?SM2000

Arthur Sundqvist
 

You experienced sailors of the Pacific and Carribian. How long is your anchorchain??? Do you use a swivel?
Fair winds
Arthur
Vista. SM 435

Skickat från min iPhone


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor Chain twisted in the locker after using some times

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Ruedi and Sabina,


 Alas, we are land bound at the moment, back in London, bound  for  Brazil for the autumn in one of those aluminium tubes that sails in the air. We have left Pen Azen ashore in Kiladha and won't be afloat again until April. Never left a boat for so long since we first had one in 1977. It's going to be a tough winter....


Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302


From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of Rudolf Waldispuehl Rudolf@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 18 August 2018 07:07:38
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor Chain twisted in the locker after using some times
 


Thank you Ian, I found the real issue. 
I had a vertical windlass in my former boat, never had a twist issue. When the Chain locker is deep enough it shouldn't be that critical with "Verticals". 
Where in Greece are you cruising?
Cheers 
Ruedi & Sabina
SY WASABI, A-54.#55


On 17 Aug 2018, at 18:46, Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Ruedi,


I have heard it said that the twisting of an anchor chain is sometimes a feature of a vertical windlass , now more widely fitted on all  yachts ,as opposed to the horizontal windlass such as the Lofrans  found on the SM and  earlier Amels. The vertical windlass involves two directional changes in the chain before it reaches the locker, the horizontal windlass only one. I only have experience of the earlier type so I have no personal experience to know if this is true.


 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Greece


From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...> on behalf of Rudolf@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: 17 August 2018 11:01:09
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor Chain twisted in the locker after using some times
 


Dear Amelias


On my Amel-54 I have original setup, as I think (Buegel-Anchor, WASI Powerball, Lewmar Windlass V4/V5).


I found a strange behavior of the anchor-chain which is after 8-10 Anchor maneuvers very badly twisted in the chain locker. It happened that when I need to draw more chain (let say over 40m) the chain is blocking in the windlass, because of this heavy twist in the locker. From time to time I take out the 100m chain and un-twist to avoid blockage, but still then after maybe 50-60m the twist coms back after short usage. 


Anchor chain 10mm Stainless-Steel (brand unknown) was replaced by former owner 2 years ago. The gypsy looks good, used but not damaged (I have not much experience how it must look like ;-) The V4/5 Gypsy No.203 (10mm) is correct. The chain works well in the windlass (also Swivel), and it seems all is matching.  

 

I ask you experienced guys who may had the similar problem, or who could know the cause of the twisted chain? 


- Is the gypsy of the windlass defect or over-used to much?

- Is the Stainless-Steel chain of a bad quality?

- Could the chain twist if it is not 100% match, it seems to match, but ?? 

- Any other idea for this strange behavior?

 

Thanks for advice and best regards

Ruedi

WASABI 

A54-#55

Gouvia, Korfu

 






Re: Anchor Chain twisted in the locker after using some times

Dean Gillies
 

Ruedi,
I have had exactly the same problem with my chain since we bought the boat.

I have the ISO chain with 30mm inside dimension and the WASI powerball, now fitted to my gal Rocna. (Yes, I now have a different dissimilar metals problem than before :-)

I’ve reached the conclusion that it’s just another feature of the boat. I tend to lay shorter chain with the Rocna, so the problem happens less frequently for me.

See you in Preveza soon.
Cheers
Dean

Sent from my iPhone X


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor Chain twisted in the locker after using some times

Rudolf Waldispuehl
 

Thank you Ian, I found the real issue. 
I had a vertical windlass in my former boat, never had a twist issue. When the Chain locker is deep enough it shouldn't be that critical with "Verticals". 
Where in Greece are you cruising?
Cheers 
Ruedi & Sabina
SY WASABI, A-54.#55


On 17 Aug 2018, at 18:46, Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Ruedi,


I have heard it said that the twisting of an anchor chain is sometimes a feature of a vertical windlass , now more widely fitted on all  yachts ,as opposed to the horizontal windlass such as the Lofrans  found on the SM and  earlier Amels. The vertical windlass involves two directional changes in the chain before it reaches the locker, the horizontal windlass only one. I only have experience of the earlier type so I have no personal experience to know if this is true.


 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Greece


From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...> on behalf of Rudolf@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: 17 August 2018 11:01:09
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor Chain twisted in the locker after using some times
 


Dear Amelias


On my Amel-54 I have original setup, as I think (Buegel-Anchor, WASI Powerball, Lewmar Windlass V4/V5).


I found a strange behavior of the anchor-chain which is after 8-10 Anchor maneuvers very badly twisted in the chain locker. It happened that when I need to draw more chain (let say over 40m) the chain is blocking in the windlass, because of this heavy twist in the locker. From time to time I take out the 100m chain and un-twist to avoid blockage, but still then after maybe 50-60m the twist coms back after short usage. 


Anchor chain 10mm Stainless-Steel (brand unknown) was replaced by former owner 2 years ago. The gypsy looks good, used but not damaged (I have not much experience how it must look like ;-) The V4/5 Gypsy No.203 (10mm) is correct. The chain works well in the windlass (also Swivel), and it seems all is matching.  

 

I ask you experienced guys who may had the similar problem, or who could know the cause of the twisted chain? 


- Is the gypsy of the windlass defect or over-used to much?

- Is the Stainless-Steel chain of a bad quality?

- Could the chain twist if it is not 100% match, it seems to match, but ?? 

- Any other idea for this strange behavior?

 

Thanks for advice and best regards

Ruedi

WASABI 

A54-#55

Gouvia, Korfu

 




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor Chain twisted in the locker after using some times

Rudolf Waldispuehl
 

Thank you Bill & Bill 
I learned a lot about ISO and DIN chains, - what the former owner unfortunately was not aware when he ordered a new Stainless Steel Chain in 2014!
Hope I can get the 202 Type Gypsy from Lewmar.
Cheers
Ruedi
SY WASABI

On 17 Aug 2018, at 23:33, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

As Bill R points out, varying chain standards are very frequently a source of trouble.


The best advice I received was is to always take the gypsy along with you when buying chain, and make SURE that the new chain lies perfectly in the wheel.  Not close... perfect.  

Do not trust the vendor, or the markings.  Test the fit.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Long block failure on a Volvo D3-110 Amel 54-152

Alan Leslie
 

Thanks for the interesting article.
I'm glad I don't have one of those, but if engine replacement becomes necessary in the future, this could be a real issue. We have 3600 hours on our Yanmar 4JH3HTE and it runs perfectly, may it continue for a long time !!
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Rendezvous St Michaels, MD Oct 1-4 2018

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Wow. What a gathering.

Danny

SM299

Ocean pearl from the far off south pacific

On 17 August 2018 at 13:22 "sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 


Below is a list of all the boats/people that have notified me of their intention to attend the Amel Rendezvous in St.Michaels, Maryland on the Miles River starting on Oct.1. Please review the list, and contact me if you no longer plan to attend.  If you are not on the list, and plan to attend, contact me and I will add you to the list. Lastly, we need an accurate head count, if the head count is wrong under your name, contact me. Please contact me direct at (sailw32@...), so not to gum up the Amel site.  Right now, it looks like 17 Amels and 36 people plan to attend, that should make for a hell of a party! 




Pat & Diane McAneny

SM Shenanigans


 


 

                               Amel Chesapeake Rendezvous 2018
 BoatWhonumber of people
 Will fly in Joel Potter1
1ShenanigansPat & Diane McAneny2
2KristyKent Robertson and Iris2
3Life is GoodVladimir and Marina2
4AletesMike & Lauren Ondra
2
 AletesTom Peacock1
5It's GoodMark and Jennifer Garver2
6CaraMark and Denise McGovern2
7GaleneGreg and Lora Wirth2
8WandererDuane and Peg Siegfried2
9HarmonieBill Kinney and Karen Smith2
10SangarisCraig and Katherine 2
 looking for a boatAlan and Laura Grayson2
11BrevisSherman Gifford & Glenn Ayers2
12TouRaiSteve Morrison1
13FiascoAras1
14Have Fun!David Lambertsen1
15Brass RingMark and Debbie Mueller2
16JoyChuck and Kim Lacey2
17RascalRick and Linda Grimes2  
 Future SM2K ownerBrent Cameron1


 


 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Long block failure on a Volvo D3-110 Amel 54-152

greatketch@...
 

There was a good article on the worrisome trend in the design of small marine diesels in Yachting Monthly last year. 


I am beginning to wonder if we have almost seen the end of diesels that reliably run for more than 10,000 hours.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Long block failure on a Volvo D3-110 Amel 54-152

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Guidance on replacing Engine tray mounts [1 Attachment]

James
 

Thank you so much Steve. 

Very helpful info.. I am just changing the mounts on the MD22, so should be fairly straight forward..

James


Bowsprit

Paul Osterberg
 

We will spend some time in the area of Annapolis, does anyone know a good Stainless steel person who can manufactur a detachable bowsprit for a furling code zero to our Amel SM?
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor Chain twisted in the locker after using some times

greatketch@...
 

As Bill R points out, varying chain standards are very frequently a source of trouble.

The best advice I received was is to always take the gypsy along with you when buying chain, and make SURE that the new chain lies perfectly in the wheel.  Not close... perfect.  

Do not trust the vendor, or the markings.  Test the fit.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA