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FW: [AmelYachtOwners] Tender Amel 54

Teun BAAS
 

Hi Aty & Mohammad,

 

Hope you guys are well.

 

In reference to below I suggest you make sure that there is no variance at all between the pick-up points of the dinghy and the rollers. Even using a correct length horizontal line between the 2 hoisting lines forcing them in the right (directly down) angle to the rollers I still experienced with a (temporary – you know my dinghies saga) brand-new 360 HIGHFIELD, in rough seas (over 35knts wind) & in open ocean, the stern davit line break due to chafing and, inexplicably, the dinghy was able to worm itself out the additional (2 crossed under the hull as well as 1 each directly from P to SB on bow and stern) safety straps causing the stern hanging almost into the water.

 

Of course late afternoon/early evening with still some daylight but I wonder if we would have noticed if this happened during the night.

Can assure you NOT a fun experience!!!

 

This was crossing from MARE (NEW CALEDONIA) to TANNA (VANUATU).

 

Best Regards Teun

May 8, 2021 14:35:47

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Courtney Gorman via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2021 14:13
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Tender Amel 54

 

Hi Mohammad

I used to have the 10’ 6” Highfield and loved it you can put it longways with the rear pontoons on either side of the shower hatch or across either way fits.  If using the winter enclosure must be placed across does partially block part of the deck but really no issue.

Cheers 

Courtney 

Trippin 

Carriacou Quarantine 



On May 8, 2021, at 3:44 PM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:



Hi Dirk;

 

Thanks for sharing your experience.

 

We are getting ready to make our final selection of our new tender. We intend to carry the tender on the aft sundeck and was wondering if the tender interferes with the Mizzen traveler, or any other operational items on the boat. when stowed on the aft sundeck? Did you get any of the options and if so, which ones would you recommend?

 

Respectfully;

 

 

Mohammad Shirloo

+1-323-633-2222  Cell

+1-424-644-0908  Fax

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dirk Hooff via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 7:10 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Tender Amel 54

 

Hi Mohammad,

the Highfield CL 360 fits almost perfectly to the Simpson davits. There is only a difference of approx. 4 cm inbetween the pick-up points on the tender and the rollers on the davits.

But you could also adjust this perfectly with small changes to the dinghy.

The CL 360 will certainly start to plane with a 20 HP outboard motor and 4 people in the boat.

With six people on board, we were very quickly with the new Yamaha 25PS ...

At the stern there are also two attachment points for toys or other things to pull.

We have had many dinghies from Zodiac and other manufacturers ... the Highfield seems to be better in processing than many similarly priced boats... especially the aluminum hull.

I know some blue water sailors who have changed to a Highfield and are very enthusiastic.

Currently we stay for the winter period in the northern Adriatic sea. There and in many places in the Mediterranean we had to moore with stern first. Sometimes it´s not easy... you have to be careful with the dinghy. But it doesn´t matter if the dinghy is 3,40 or 3,60 long.

Hopefully that helped… 

 

All the best and stay healthy!

 

Dirk

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SY PÉNÉLOPE   AMEL 54#96

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Am 06.10.2020 um 18:32 schrieb Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...>:

 

Hi Dirk;

 

Thanks for the input. Did you have to make any modifications to the lifting points to be able to lift the dinghy on the Davits or was it just plug and play? We currently have a 20HP Yamaha 4-stroke. Do you think this will plane with 4 people? We’d also like to be able to pull surfboards and other toys behind. Are there attachments at the transom for ski ropes and do you see any issues pulling with this tender?

 

Not sure where you are currently cruising, but do you have to moor stern to? If so, does the CL360 interfere with adjacent yachts when leaving the dock in a cross breeze?

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dirk Hooff via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 4:14 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Tender Amel 54

 

Hi Mohammad,

 

this year we bought a Highfield CL360 in Hypalon. It fits perfectly on the AMEL davits (Cooney Simpson).

Hypalon should be chosen if the dinghy has been in salt water for a longer period and is exposed to strong sunlight.

We have a powerful outboard motor (Yamaha 25PS) with which the CL 360 can drive perfectly over long distances, even with several people. The aluminum hull is very light (the CL360 weighs only approx. 70kg) and thanks to the good V-shape it drives very well over the waves, even at higher speeds.

Incidentally, the new Yamaha 25PS still fits in the aft locker on the outboard motor bracket ... a perfect place for the outboard motor for longer sea passages or winter storage.

In addition, the CL360 fits perfectly (upside down) on the aft deck ... also for longer sea passages or winter storage.

We are very happy with this dinghy choice.

 

Many greetings and thanks again for your help regarding the oil pressure sensor this summer!

 

Dirk

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SY PÉNÉLOPE   AMEL 54#96







Am 06.10.2020 um 08:47 schrieb Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...>:

 

We are looking for a new tender, as our existing 12 year old Zodiac Classic foldable with aluminum floor planks that came with our Amel, is starting to have some of the glue joints fail. It has been a great stable ride that planes with a 20HP with 4 people. We have been considering the Highfield line and will not be onboard prior to ordering, Therefore, we would appreciate comments on the following issues:

  1. How does the CL310 or CL340 fit on the Davits?
  2. PVC or Hypalon? We will most likely be in the Med for another 3 years and then onto the Caribbean. AT this point our ongoing plan is to continue sailing West. about 6 months every year.
  3. Our existing 3.5 Meter Zodiac, does present some challenge trying to leave the dock, while Med Moored in a cross wind, if we have yachts at both sides. The tender is about 18-24 inches wider than the stern, therefore the bow on the tender can get caught in the stanchions of the adjacent yacht. In extreme conditions, we lower the tender and tow behind until we are clear of the dock and then bring the tender up on Davits. Does anyone have a better solution?
  4. What is your general impression of the quality, ride and longevity of the highfield line?
  5. What other tender lines have you used that you could recommend?

Thanks in advance for all input.

Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099 

 

 


Re: Tender Amel 54

Courtney Gorman
 

Hi Mohammad
I used to have the 10’ 6” Highfield and loved it you can put it longways with the rear pontoons on either side of the shower hatch or across either way fits.  If using the winter enclosure must be placed across does partially block part of the deck but really no issue.
Cheers 
Courtney 
Trippin 
Carriacou Quarantine 


On May 8, 2021, at 3:44 PM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:



Hi Dirk;

 

Thanks for sharing your experience.

 

We are getting ready to make our final selection of our new tender. We intend to carry the tender on the aft sundeck and was wondering if the tender interferes with the Mizzen traveler, or any other operational items on the boat. when stowed on the aft sundeck? Did you get any of the options and if so, which ones would you recommend?

 

Respectfully;

 

 

Mohammad Shirloo

+1-323-633-2222  Cell

+1-424-644-0908  Fax

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dirk Hooff via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 7:10 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Tender Amel 54

 

Hi Mohammad,

the Highfield CL 360 fits almost perfectly to the Simpson davits. There is only a difference of approx. 4 cm inbetween the pick-up points on the tender and the rollers on the davits.

But you could also adjust this perfectly with small changes to the dinghy.

The CL 360 will certainly start to plane with a 20 HP outboard motor and 4 people in the boat.

With six people on board, we were very quickly with the new Yamaha 25PS ...

At the stern there are also two attachment points for toys or other things to pull.

We have had many dinghies from Zodiac and other manufacturers ... the Highfield seems to be better in processing than many similarly priced boats... especially the aluminum hull.

I know some blue water sailors who have changed to a Highfield and are very enthusiastic.

Currently we stay for the winter period in the northern Adriatic sea. There and in many places in the Mediterranean we had to moore with stern first. Sometimes it´s not easy... you have to be careful with the dinghy. But it doesn´t matter if the dinghy is 3,40 or 3,60 long.

Hopefully that helped… 

 

All the best and stay healthy!

 

Dirk

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SY PÉNÉLOPE   AMEL 54#96

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Am 06.10.2020 um 18:32 schrieb Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...>:

 

Hi Dirk;

 

Thanks for the input. Did you have to make any modifications to the lifting points to be able to lift the dinghy on the Davits or was it just plug and play? We currently have a 20HP Yamaha 4-stroke. Do you think this will plane with 4 people? We’d also like to be able to pull surfboards and other toys behind. Are there attachments at the transom for ski ropes and do you see any issues pulling with this tender?

 

Not sure where you are currently cruising, but do you have to moor stern to? If so, does the CL360 interfere with adjacent yachts when leaving the dock in a cross breeze?

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dirk Hooff via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 4:14 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Tender Amel 54

 

Hi Mohammad,

 

this year we bought a Highfield CL360 in Hypalon. It fits perfectly on the AMEL davits (Cooney Simpson).

Hypalon should be chosen if the dinghy has been in salt water for a longer period and is exposed to strong sunlight.

We have a powerful outboard motor (Yamaha 25PS) with which the CL 360 can drive perfectly over long distances, even with several people. The aluminum hull is very light (the CL360 weighs only approx. 70kg) and thanks to the good V-shape it drives very well over the waves, even at higher speeds.

Incidentally, the new Yamaha 25PS still fits in the aft locker on the outboard motor bracket ... a perfect place for the outboard motor for longer sea passages or winter storage.

In addition, the CL360 fits perfectly (upside down) on the aft deck ... also for longer sea passages or winter storage.

We are very happy with this dinghy choice.

 

Many greetings and thanks again for your help regarding the oil pressure sensor this summer!

 

Dirk

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SY PÉNÉLOPE   AMEL 54#96





Am 06.10.2020 um 08:47 schrieb Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...>:

 

We are looking for a new tender, as our existing 12 year old Zodiac Classic foldable with aluminum floor planks that came with our Amel, is starting to have some of the glue joints fail. It has been a great stable ride that planes with a 20HP with 4 people. We have been considering the Highfield line and will not be onboard prior to ordering, Therefore, we would appreciate comments on the following issues:

  1. How does the CL310 or CL340 fit on the Davits?
  2. PVC or Hypalon? We will most likely be in the Med for another 3 years and then onto the Caribbean. AT this point our ongoing plan is to continue sailing West. about 6 months every year.
  3. Our existing 3.5 Meter Zodiac, does present some challenge trying to leave the dock, while Med Moored in a cross wind, if we have yachts at both sides. The tender is about 18-24 inches wider than the stern, therefore the bow on the tender can get caught in the stanchions of the adjacent yacht. In extreme conditions, we lower the tender and tow behind until we are clear of the dock and then bring the tender up on Davits. Does anyone have a better solution?
  4. What is your general impression of the quality, ride and longevity of the highfield line?
  5. What other tender lines have you used that you could recommend?

Thanks in advance for all input.

Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099 

 

 


Re: Tender Amel 54

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Dirk;

 

Thanks for sharing your experience.

 

We are getting ready to make our final selection of our new tender. We intend to carry the tender on the aft sundeck and was wondering if the tender interferes with the Mizzen traveler, or any other operational items on the boat. when stowed on the aft sundeck? Did you get any of the options and if so, which ones would you recommend?

 

Respectfully;

 

 

Mohammad Shirloo

+1-323-633-2222  Cell

+1-424-644-0908  Fax

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dirk Hooff via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 7:10 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Tender Amel 54

 

Hi Mohammad,

the Highfield CL 360 fits almost perfectly to the Simpson davits. There is only a difference of approx. 4 cm inbetween the pick-up points on the tender and the rollers on the davits.

But you could also adjust this perfectly with small changes to the dinghy.

The CL 360 will certainly start to plane with a 20 HP outboard motor and 4 people in the boat.

With six people on board, we were very quickly with the new Yamaha 25PS ...

At the stern there are also two attachment points for toys or other things to pull.

We have had many dinghies from Zodiac and other manufacturers ... the Highfield seems to be better in processing than many similarly priced boats... especially the aluminum hull.

I know some blue water sailors who have changed to a Highfield and are very enthusiastic.

Currently we stay for the winter period in the northern Adriatic sea. There and in many places in the Mediterranean we had to moore with stern first. Sometimes it´s not easy... you have to be careful with the dinghy. But it doesn´t matter if the dinghy is 3,40 or 3,60 long.

Hopefully that helped… 

 

All the best and stay healthy!

 

Dirk

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SY PÉNÉLOPE   AMEL 54#96



Am 06.10.2020 um 18:32 schrieb Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...>:

 

Hi Dirk;

 

Thanks for the input. Did you have to make any modifications to the lifting points to be able to lift the dinghy on the Davits or was it just plug and play? We currently have a 20HP Yamaha 4-stroke. Do you think this will plane with 4 people? We’d also like to be able to pull surfboards and other toys behind. Are there attachments at the transom for ski ropes and do you see any issues pulling with this tender?

 

Not sure where you are currently cruising, but do you have to moor stern to? If so, does the CL360 interfere with adjacent yachts when leaving the dock in a cross breeze?

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dirk Hooff via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 4:14 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Tender Amel 54

 

Hi Mohammad,

 

this year we bought a Highfield CL360 in Hypalon. It fits perfectly on the AMEL davits (Cooney Simpson).

Hypalon should be chosen if the dinghy has been in salt water for a longer period and is exposed to strong sunlight.

We have a powerful outboard motor (Yamaha 25PS) with which the CL 360 can drive perfectly over long distances, even with several people. The aluminum hull is very light (the CL360 weighs only approx. 70kg) and thanks to the good V-shape it drives very well over the waves, even at higher speeds.

Incidentally, the new Yamaha 25PS still fits in the aft locker on the outboard motor bracket ... a perfect place for the outboard motor for longer sea passages or winter storage.

In addition, the CL360 fits perfectly (upside down) on the aft deck ... also for longer sea passages or winter storage.

We are very happy with this dinghy choice.

 

Many greetings and thanks again for your help regarding the oil pressure sensor this summer!

 

Dirk

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SY PÉNÉLOPE   AMEL 54#96





Am 06.10.2020 um 08:47 schrieb Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...>:

 

We are looking for a new tender, as our existing 12 year old Zodiac Classic foldable with aluminum floor planks that came with our Amel, is starting to have some of the glue joints fail. It has been a great stable ride that planes with a 20HP with 4 people. We have been considering the Highfield line and will not be onboard prior to ordering, Therefore, we would appreciate comments on the following issues:

  1. How does the CL310 or CL340 fit on the Davits?
  2. PVC or Hypalon? We will most likely be in the Med for another 3 years and then onto the Caribbean. AT this point our ongoing plan is to continue sailing West. about 6 months every year.
  3. Our existing 3.5 Meter Zodiac, does present some challenge trying to leave the dock, while Med Moored in a cross wind, if we have yachts at both sides. The tender is about 18-24 inches wider than the stern, therefore the bow on the tender can get caught in the stanchions of the adjacent yacht. In extreme conditions, we lower the tender and tow behind until we are clear of the dock and then bring the tender up on Davits. Does anyone have a better solution?
  4. What is your general impression of the quality, ride and longevity of the highfield line?
  5. What other tender lines have you used that you could recommend?

Thanks in advance for all input.

Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099 

 

 


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Re: Super Maramu length of the Long Pole

 

Mark & Nick,

Thanks
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 10:18 AM Nicolas Klene via groups.io <laixoi=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
Same here 442 cm, measured like the top picture 

--
Nicolas Klene
DarNico
SM2K # 471
In Marseille


Hole through bulkhead aft of forward head

eric freedman
 

I recall a discussion about a hole in this bulkhead where wires and pipes pass through. It is supposed to be located low outboard of the bulkhead on the port side . It is supposed to be visible from the forward saloon seat.

With this discussion , it reminded me to check that.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Craig Briggs via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2021 8:24 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] watertight doors

 

Assuming the forward compartment is flooded it follows that water pressure will aid in sealing the door such that the crossbar would be redundant (other than to seal its own bolt hole). Dogging it so tight as to deform the door and cause gaps at the top seems unnecessary - a gentle snug should do.  That being said, my door has a perpendicular stiffening piece of wood and the entire door engages the seal evenly when closed and dogged (haven't tried to dog it with great force).

My aft door only seals at the bottom and sides; the top is open and there is no crossbar. If the aft compartment is flooded water pressure would keep the door sealed.

if the main salon is flooded, you likely have problems of a "Titanic" nature. 

--Craig
SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Re: Pipe feeding heating in main rear cabin

Rob Smith
 

Hi Nick 
Thanks I will need to try and blow the pictures up as the quality isnt great. Where have you installed your diesel heater?
Many thanks
Rob

On Sat, 8 May 2021, 16:06 Nicolas Klene via groups.io, <laixoi=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Rob
I have the tech drawing from Amel....
--
Nicolas Klene
DarNico
SM2K # 471
In Marseille


Re: Super Maramu length of the Long Pole

Nicolas Klene
 

Same here 442 cm, measured like the top picture 

--
Nicolas Klene
DarNico
SM2K # 471
In Marseille


Re: Pipe feeding heating in main rear cabin

Nicolas Klene
 

Hi Rob
I have the tech drawing from Amel....
--
Nicolas Klene
DarNico
SM2K # 471
In Marseille


Re: Super Maramu length of the Long Pole

Mark McGovern
 

Bill,

The aluminum tube part of the long poles on Cara (Hull #440) are just over 442cm long.  The entire pole with the end fittings is around 469cm. 

Pics below:






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Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: watertight doors

David Wallace
 

Friends of ours told us the story of hitting a rock in Maine waters while sailing their Maramu at six knots. The result was an approximately 1’ hole in the forward hull. They immediately closed the forward door and valves and easily motored to a boatyard where the boat was subsequently lifted and the hole repaired. They said the boat longitudinal axis stayed level and the water in the v-berth was only up to the top of the bunks.

Dave Wallace
former owner sv Air Ops
Maramu 104


On May 8, 2021, at 5:24 AM, Craig Briggs via groups.io <sangaris@...> wrote:

Assuming the forward compartment is flooded it follows that water pressure will aid in sealing the door such that the crossbar would be redundant (other than to seal its own bolt hole). Dogging it so tight as to deform the door and cause gaps at the top seems unnecessary - a gentle snug should do.  That being said, my door has a perpendicular stiffening piece of wood and the entire door engages the seal evenly when closed and dogged (haven't tried to dog it with great force).

My aft door only seals at the bottom and sides; the top is open and there is no crossbar. If the aft compartment is flooded water pressure would keep the door sealed.

if the main salon is flooded, you likely have problems of a "Titanic" nature. 

--Craig
SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Re: watertight doors

Craig Briggs
 

Assuming the forward compartment is flooded it follows that water pressure will aid in sealing the door such that the crossbar would be redundant (other than to seal its own bolt hole). Dogging it so tight as to deform the door and cause gaps at the top seems unnecessary - a gentle snug should do.  That being said, my door has a perpendicular stiffening piece of wood and the entire door engages the seal evenly when closed and dogged (haven't tried to dog it with great force).

My aft door only seals at the bottom and sides; the top is open and there is no crossbar. If the aft compartment is flooded water pressure would keep the door sealed.

if the main salon is flooded, you likely have problems of a "Titanic" nature. 

--Craig
SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Re: watertight doors

Derick Gates SM2K #400 Brava
 

Eric,

 I have noticed that if I tighten the bar too much, both of the watertight doors will begin to gap at the top. I note this with my crew during safety training so they do not over tighten the bar.

I have not yet tried shaving down the rubber gasket near the middle/bottom of the door to see if that corrects the issue, but I believe that may be possible. 

Anyone else have experience with this issue?

Derick Gates
SM2K #400
Brava


Re: Spinnaker pole strut mast fitting ball joint replacement? #replacement

Kevin Schmit
 

Excellent suggestion Bill. Thank you all who weighed in on support of this topic.

Kevin


--
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KIANA
SM #362


Re: watertight doors

Nicolas Klene
 


 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 3:17 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Water Intrusion and watertight bulkheads

 

Hi All.

if you want to convince yourself about the inadequacy of bilge pumps in the case of a hull breach remove your speed log from the through hull when the boat is in the water.

It is down right scary how much water comes in FAST from that relatively small hole. The idea of massive capacity 120 or 230 volt pumps sounds good till you consider Murphy's' law. What can go  wrong, will go wrong, at at the worst possible time. Batteries don't like being under water.

What situation would necessitate that huge volume pump? You can bet not a quiet controlled one. Panic and mayhem may prevail. Gen set wont start. inverter fails, someone in panic gets it all wrong. 

The captains Amel watertight bulkheads make all the sense in the world. But does all your crew know where the locking bars are, and how to fit  them? Do you know where they are so you could put your hand on them in an instant.

Do the valves on the bilge piping that passes through the bulkhead operate, or are they frozen?The water tight bulkheads  will buy valuable time while you find a method to pug the hole. Above the waterline, cushions stuffed in. Below the waterline a more compressed plugging. Large holes, fothering which is drawing a sail or something similar over the outside of the hull.

Certainly large pumps are great but just one of the methods needed. 

Joel is it true that at an Annapolis boat show years ago they flooded the front cabin on a SM and showed the boat could still sail? 

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 03 May 2021 at 03:37 Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

I recently finished reading the book 66 days Adrift, where a boat was "attacked" by a large pod of pilot whales 1000 miles into the passage between panama and Hawaii and the boat was lost due to water intrusion in the main salon area, in a matter of minutes. I have always thought about the survivability and resilience of our Amels in different scenarios. I have the following questions and hoping the answers are within our group.

  1. Will there be sufficient buoyancy to stay afloat, if there is a large breach in the salon area and the forward and aft bulkhead doors are secured?
  2. Are the forward and aft bulkhead areas watertight only to a certain height about the cabin floor, or could the entire volume be flooded without water intruding into the engine compartment or the salon area. This would be important if there is a large breach at the cabin top, thus allowing the volume to be filled by waves or the boat is inverted.
  3. I have thought about and there has been some discussion about carrying an auxiliary pump, in order to buy some time, in case of a major leak, so that a temporary repair can be implemented. The following chart shows the amount of water flow by hole size and depth of hole. As you can see, at even 2 feet below the water line, a 1.5 inch hole is sufficient to overcome any pumps that we have been discussing in the group. Has anyone come up with a viable design of an engine mounted/operated trash type pump design, or maybe a larger electric pump that could utilize the full  output of the generator (11KW) to allow for significantly more pumping capacity.

Boat Flooding Rates in Gallons per Minute

Depth of Hole Below Waterline

Diameter of Opening or Hole

1 in

1.5 in

2 in

2.5 in

3 in

3.5 in

4 in

1 ft

19.4

43.8

77.9

121.7

175.3

238.6

311.6

2 ft

27.8

62.5

111.1

173.6

250.0

340.2

444.4

3 ft

33.9

76.3

135.7

212.0

305.3

415.6

542.8

4 ft

39.3

88.4

157.1

245.3

353.5

481.2

628.4


Any and all other thought sand plans to add to our tool bag to help in similar situations, would be appreciated.

 


 On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 10:04 PM, eric freedman wrote:

Have any members experienced the watertight door pulling away from the seal at the top when the crossbar is attached?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 3:17 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Water Intrusion and watertight bulkheads

 

Hi All.

if you want to convince yourself about the inadequacy of bilge pumps in the case of a hull breach remove your speed log from the through hull when the boat is in the water.

It is down right scary how much water comes in FAST from that relatively small hole. The idea of massive capacity 120 or 230 volt pumps sounds good till you consider Murphy's' law. What can go  wrong, will go wrong, at at the worst possible time. Batteries don't like being under water.

What situation would necessitate that huge volume pump? You can bet not a quiet controlled one. Panic and mayhem may prevail. Gen set wont start. inverter fails, someone in panic gets it all wrong. 

The captains Amel watertight bulkheads make all the sense in the world. But does all your crew know where the locking bars are, and how to fit  them? Do you know where they are so you could put your hand on them in an instant.

Do the valves on the bilge piping that passes through the bulkhead operate, or are they frozen?The water tight bulkheads  will buy valuable time while you find a method to pug the hole. Above the waterline, cushions stuffed in. Below the waterline a more compressed plugging. Large holes, fothering which is drawing a sail or something similar over the outside of the hull.

Certainly large pumps are great but just one of the methods needed. 

Joel is it true that at an Annapolis boat show years ago they flooded the front cabin on a SM and showed the boat could still sail? 

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 03 May 2021 at 03:37 Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

I recently finished reading the book 66 days Adrift, where a boat was "attacked" by a large pod of pilot whales 1000 miles into the passage between panama and Hawaii and the boat was lost due to water intrusion in the main salon area, in a matter of minutes. I have always thought about the survivability and resilience of our Amels in different scenarios. I have the following questions and hoping the answers are within our group.

  1. Will there be sufficient buoyancy to stay afloat, if there is a large breach in the salon area and the forward and aft bulkhead doors are secured?
  2. Are the forward and aft bulkhead areas watertight only to a certain height about the cabin floor, or could the entire volume be flooded without water intruding into the engine compartment or the salon area. This would be important if there is a large breach at the cabin top, thus allowing the volume to be filled by waves or the boat is inverted.
  3. I have thought about and there has been some discussion about carrying an auxiliary pump, in order to buy some time, in case of a major leak, so that a temporary repair can be implemented. The following chart shows the amount of water flow by hole size and depth of hole. As you can see, at even 2 feet below the water line, a 1.5 inch hole is sufficient to overcome any pumps that we have been discussing in the group. Has anyone come up with a viable design of an engine mounted/operated trash type pump design, or maybe a larger electric pump that could utilize the full  output of the generator (11KW) to allow for significantly more pumping capacity.

Boat Flooding Rates in Gallons per Minute

Depth of Hole Below Waterline

Diameter of Opening or Hole

1 in

1.5 in

2 in

2.5 in

3 in

3.5 in

4 in

1 ft

19.4

43.8

77.9

121.7

175.3

238.6

311.6

2 ft

27.8

62.5

111.1

173.6

250.0

340.2

444.4

3 ft

33.9

76.3

135.7

212.0

305.3

415.6

542.8

4 ft

39.3

88.4

157.1

245.3

353.5

481.2

628.4

 

 Hello Eric
Yes I have noticed on the forward watertight  bulkheads a slight gap at the top where water would ingress...
--
Nicolas Klene
DarNico
SM2K # 471
In Marseille


Re: Pipe feeding heating in main rear cabin

Slavko Despotovic
 

Hi,

it is fine, and yes you can close it. The only problem is that it limits the opening of door of the cabinet as you can see on the photo. Closing will cause more air coming from other outlets as pointed by Eric.

Best regards.
--
Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Portoroz


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Re: Pipe feeding heating in main rear cabin

eric freedman
 

Nicolas,

Amel delivers the boat with no holes in the heating tube in the head.

Ian and Judy on PenAzen had the factory drill holes in the tubing in the head.

It was a great idea, so I had Amel do the same on Kimberlite. You can close the flap on the heat vent in the aft cabin without harm to the heater as the other outlets just put out more air.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Nicolas Klene via groups.io
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2021 4:44 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Pipe feeding heating in main rear cabin

 

Thank you Slavo for the picture of the outlet in the rear cabin 👍!

Is it practical ? Can you close it to have air only on the bathroom ? 


--
Nicolas Klene
DarNico
SM2K # 471
In Marseille


Re: Pipe feeding heating in main rear cabin

Nicolas Klene
 

Hello Ross and Donna
thank you ever so much for the pictures ,that will help me a lot
kindest regards 
nick

--
Nicolas Klene
DarNico
SM2K # 471
In Marseille


Re: Pipe feeding heating in main rear cabin

Nicolas Klene
 

Thank you Slavo for the picture of the outlet in the rear cabin 👍!
Is it practical ? Can you close it to have air only on the bathroom ? 

--
Nicolas Klene
DarNico
SM2K # 471
In Marseille

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