Hi,
I am planning a new installation involving an Icom M801E HF Radio (which I already have). The unit needs to be powered from 12V and the specifications call for up to 60A. (This is double the power consumption of the M802 radio used by many North American cruisers. I have a support ticket lodged with Icom to confirm that there is not a mistake in the specs!).

I wonder if there’s anyone in the forum who has installed the 12V version of the M801, who could share their power supply installation details..

Options would appear to be:

1: High power (60A) DC-DC converter(s) running from the 24V bank. (Isolated type is preferred, which means two units in parallel are required, although I’m not convinced this is absolutely necessary).

2: Tap 12V power from upper or lower half of house bank, connect house bank mid-points and install a battery balancer. A bit ugly really.

3: Install isolated low power (10-20A) DC-DC Converter between house bank and engine battery and power SSB from engine battery. DC-DC Converter replenishes battery in slow time and alternators provide bulk and eq charge. I like this option from a low-noise perspective. Nothing else is connected to this battery, and if conducted emissions are a problem from the DCDC converter, just switch it off. And in the event of an unforeseen/unlikely complete discharge event, there are another 12 batteries available to start the motor/genset.

4: Others?

Many thanks
Dean
SY Stella
A54#154

 

Hi Gang,

I viewed Papa II before buying Eleuthera.

I would not touch it with someone else’s pole.

Run … RUN!!

Jean-Pierre Germain

SY Eleuthera, SM 007, Opua NZ

On 17 Dec 2018, at 08:05, Brent Cameron brentcameron61@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Jay, that boat has a substantially more extensive history than is reflected on YW.  It has been radically modified from Henri’s original design. You may want to do a search on this forum for Yashar, Papa II or Lady Davina for more details. I personally wouldn’t buy it at any price.   While I feel very sorry for the current owner (who I believe bought it under similar circumstances),  it’s next name should be Caveat Emptor.   The fact that a surveyor approved it for insurance or loan purposes is not a selling feature in my mind. While it might not sink, I do not believe it is any longer anything like a real Amel.  

Brent Cameron, Future SM2K owner

On Dec 15, 2018, 4:56 PM -0500, Jay Hosford jay.hosford@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>, wrote:

Its on yacht world now for 199.   2001.  I think I've seen it before.   It passed survey after the fact well enough to have a loan grated for it previously..   Maybe if she has bee back to see for a while and passed a few surveys since? 

On Dec 15, 2018, at 3:32 PM, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I've never had a marine experience like that so I can only fall back on my structural engineering background.  There are a LOT of ways that there could be hidden damage that only surfaces after some hard sailing.

All of the bulkheads and the hull to deck joint are joined by fiberglass.  These joints are not exposed to careful inspection and are the place where you could have damage.  If one or more of these bulkhead/deck to hull joints are damaged but not to the point where there is visible movement, the joint is nonetheless damaged and does not have the same strength or resistance to fatigue it originally had.  The keel is joined to the keel stub by keel bolts.  The keel stub and the hull structure it's attached to took a very heavy hit as the 16 tons of boat landed on it.  How careful, complete and thorough were the inspection and repairs?  After some hard sailing or years of sailing the now over-stressed joints or structure can fail, or result in excessive movement or leaks.

Did they remove everything in the vicinity of the impact (all furniture, cabinets, wall coverings, flooring, etc.) to permit a careful inspection and/or reinforcement?  If so perhaps you might feel you're covered if the people doing the work can be trusted or someone you hired was there inspecting.  Keep in mind it's always easier and cheaper to cover up than to expose and repair, especially if you plan to sell the boat.

Is there a good chance all is well, sure...maybe.  Personally I would not take the chance unless the level of risk (as you view it) is seriously reflected in the sales price and you are willing to take on the risk with eyes wide open.  Maybe if you plan on only coastal sailing?

Duane

Wanderer, SM#477

On 17 Dec 2018, at 08:05, Brent Cameron brentcameron61@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Jay, that boat has a substantially more extensive history than is reflected on YW.  It has been radically modified from Henri’s original design. You may want to do a search on this forum for Yashar, Papa II or Lady Davina for more details. I personally wouldn’t buy it at any price.   While I feel very sorry for the current owner (who I believe bought it under similar circumstances),  it’s next name should be Caveat Emptor.   The fact that a surveyor approved it for insurance or loan purposes is not a selling feature in my mind. While it might not sink, I do not believe it is any longer anything like a real Amel.  

Brent Cameron, Future SM2K owner

On Dec 15, 2018, 4:56 PM -0500, Jay Hosford jay.hosford@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>, wrote:

Its on yacht world now for 199.   2001.  I think I've seen it before.   It passed survey after the fact well enough to have a loan grated for it previously.   Maybe if she has bee back to see for a while and passed a few surveys since? 

On Dec 15, 2018, at 3:32 PM, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I've never had a marine experience like that so I can only fall back on my structural engineering background.  There are a LOT of ways that there could be hidden damage that only surfaces after some hard sailing.

All of the bulkheads and the hull to deck joint are joined by fiberglass.  These joints are not exposed to careful inspection and are the place where you could have damage.  If one or more of these bulkhead/deck to hull joints are damaged but not to the point where there is visible movement, the joint is nonetheless damaged and does not have the same strength or resistance to fatigue it originally had.  The keel is joined to the keel stub by keel bolts.  The keel stub and the hull structure it's attached to took a very heavy hit as the 16 tons of boat landed on it.  How careful, complete and thorough were the inspection and repairs?  After some hard sailing or years of sailing the now over-stressed joints or structure can fail, or result in excessive movement or leaks.

Did they remove everything in the vicinity of the impact (all furniture, cabinets, wall coverings, flooring, etc.) to permit a careful inspection and/or reinforcement?  If so perhaps you might feel you're covered if the people doing the work can be trusted or someone you hired was there inspecting.  Keep in mind it's always easier and cheaper to cover up than to expose and repair, especially if you plan to sell the boat.

Is there a good chance all is well, sure...maybe.  Personally I would not take the chance unless the level of risk (as you view it) is seriously reflected in the sales price and you are willing to take on the risk with eyes wide open.  Maybe if you plan on only coastal sailing?

Duane

Wanderer, SM#477

 

Hi All, i have a small problem. I was using the ballooner halyard to hold my new anchor as i was installing it. Unfortunatly my knot on the other end came undone and the halyard ended up on the deck beside me. The only good news was i had another line on the anchor so i didn't lose that as well.

Has anyone tried to rerun that halyard. I have tried feeding a small line with a small weight on it from the top of the mast but i couldn't get it to fall down. I'm not sure if there is a conduit at the top. So before i am reduced to drilling the rivets off the cover that holds the pin for the sheaves and pulling them off, all while at the top of the mast. Are there any other great ideas out there. 

Regards

Alan Grayson

SM 406  Ora Pai

Ft Lauderdale