On Sat, 20 Oct 2018 at 12:42, Bill Rouse

wrote:

I can confirm that it is Switch Temperature Exhaust cutoff Onan Part 309-0295-01

But, I thought it was normally closed. 

It sounds like yours is normally open? It may be possible that 1 or more of these are connected in series and the actual fault is on the next in the series.

I had a mechanic on board who accidentally broke that sensor on the exhaust elbow. He did not tell me he broke it and a few days later I found the 2 wires on that sensor tied together. The generator worked fine with them connected and shut down with them disconnected. Of course it is possible that different Onan models operate differently. Here is a photo of the two wires tied together. BTW, that mechanic bought a new cutoff sensor.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
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On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 2:20 PM Alin Misescu alin1923@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hey Ian. Thanks very much for that. Will order one asap.

Best regards.

Alin, SM2k 283 , Wanderer

On Fri, 19 Oct 2018 at 21:10, Ian Shepherd sv_freespirit@... [amelyachtowners]

<amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Alin,

The Onan part number is 0309-0295-01 Switch - Temperature. I got a spare from my local Onan dealer. Your problem is not unheard of. Good luck.

Ian shepherd SM2K 414 Crusader Marmaris Turkey

On 19/10/2018 09:31, alin1923@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Hello everyone. I have a problem with my Onan on a SM 2k, the generator starts and dies. After some reading , I discovered the problem, the sensor that is placed on the exhaust elbow. I took the wires and isolated them from each other and it runs perfectly. You put them together, the engine dies. Si I am pretty sure it is the sensor. Do you guys know where I can order it and what do I ask for? Is it called exhaust heat sensor?
Thank you.
Regards,
Alin

On Fri, 19 Oct 2018 at 21:10, Ian Shepherd sv_freespirit@... [amelyachtowners]

wrote:

 

Hi Alin,

The Onan part number is 0309-0295-01 Switch - Temperature. I got a spare from my local Onan dealer. Your problem is not unheard of. Good luck.

Ian shepherd SM2K 414 Crusader Marmaris Turkey

On 19/10/2018 09:31, alin1923@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Hello everyone. I have a problem with my Onan on a SM 2k, the generator starts and dies. After some reading , I discovered the problem, the sensor that is placed on the exhaust elbow. I took the wires and isolated them from each other and it runs perfectly. You put them together, the engine dies. Si I am pretty sure it is the sensor. Do you guys know where I can order it and what do I ask for? Is it called exhaust heat sensor?
Thank you.
Regards,
Alin

On Sat, 20 Oct 2018 at 3:55, Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners]

wrote:

 

It can be bad temperature switch or it could be low water flow and switch shuts it off because overhitting.

Vladimir

SM 345 "LIFE IS GOOD"

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018, 2:36 AM alin1923@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello everyone. I have a problem with my Onan on a SM 2k, the generator starts and dies. After some reading , I discovered the problem, the sensor that is placed on the exhaust elbow. I took the wires and isolated them from each other and it runs perfectly. You put them together, the engine dies. Si I am pretty sure it is the sensor. Do you guys know where I can order it and what do I ask for? Is it called exhaust heat sensor?
Thank you.
Regards,
Alin

 

Hello everyone. I have a problem with my Onan on a SM 2k, the generator starts and dies. After some reading , I discovered the problem, the sensor that is placed on the exhaust elbow. I took the wires and isolated them from each other and it runs perfectly. You put them together, the engine dies. Si I am pretty sure it is the sensor. Do you guys know where I can order it and what do I ask for? Is it called exhaust heat sensor?
Thank you.
Regards,
Alin

 

Hi. I attach a photo of the swivel with the tongue beside it. Second try.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 19 October 2018 at 07:02 "Danny Simms sailorman.ds@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:

 

 

Hi Bill,

further to my last. The reason it won't be over the slot is because the tongue I described being worn off. I struggled with the same problem before it was pointed out to me by another amelian.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On Fri, 19 Oct 2018 at 04:37, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ian,

I have found one issue you might have a look at.  I am sure there are others that people with more Amel time than I have come across.

I haven't noticed it being sensitive to the exact height on the foil, although I haven't tested it much in that regard.

If latch actually works with all the parts in hand,  it might be an alignment issue.  Keep the lashing line from the head of the genoa very short, and be sure that the head swivel is rotating smoothly.  You want to be sure that the latch stays directly over the proper slot in the foil. If it rotates off center a bit it doesn't latch.

Bill Kinney

Sm160, Harmonie

Annapolis, MD, USA

---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

The last few times I have used my ballooner it has failed to lock into
the swivel. The halyard run looks normal and I have tried various
rotational positions other than the recommended one of the slot facing
dead aft. It still refuses to lock. I am wondering if the swivel should
be lower to offset the rearwards departure of the halyard as the hook
nears the top? I could only lower the genoa by a few inches before it
touches the pulpit rails. I have tried both my nylon and aluminium hooks
with and without the sail attached. The mousetrap on the swivel looks
and functions normally, or did a few weeks ago when I had the genoa down
after the problem first appeared.

Any thoughts please? I love using this sail.

Ian Shepherd SM2K 414 Crusader (2003)

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ian,

No help really but you are not the only one.

I had Volvo agent Papeete Tahiti service my Volvo and mend a minor leak in the water pump. They apparently re- installed the ancillary drive belt incorrectly which shortly afterwards (we were in remote Reatea by then) shredded which in turn broke the main cam belt tensioner pulley and destroyed the engine. The analysis of this fault cause and effect was carried out for me by a main Volvo distributor agent recently retired from France to French Polynesia. 

I broached this ‘negligence ‘ to the Volvo against that caused the problem - there shrugged their shoulders and said ‘not our fault - we will not accept any liability’.

I had to rely on their help to lend me the tools to effect the repair (they said they would not do the job as they lacked the experience) so I had no choice but to pay up and move on. My bank balance was damaged a bit more than yours in this case.

Good luck.

Peter

Peter Forbes

00447836 209730

On 18 Oct 2018, at 20:15, Ian Shepherd sv_freespirit@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I am fishing for a gut feeling on this one . Whilst in Marmaris Turkey I had a company called Marlin Yachting come and have a look at my Yanmar engine which was becoming increasingly difficult to start. They fixed that easily by renewing the O-ring in the water sensor at the bottom of the engine mounted fuel filter. They also advised that there was marginal current flowing through the extra solenoid that I had fitted to shut down the engine. This is connected to the manual shut off lever, and was installed by myself some years ago because the shut off valve in the fuel pump was unreliable, it sometimes taking more than a minute of holding the stop button in to stop the engine. As they were the experts I agreed that they would send over their electrician to install an extra relay in the solenoid circuit.

I watched this man struggle with the task for about an hour and a half. He was almost in panic mode, tearing wires off and on the relay connectors and then testing the supply by shorting a live wire several times to the engine casing. I noticed too that the fault light on the genset rocker switch had started to flash, but thought at the time he might just have lent on the switch and brought the yellow light on. The genset had after all ran perfectly the day before coming into a marina to have the work done.

His efforts seemed so confused that I decided to go to Marlin's office to express concern that he was taking so long and acting in a reckless way. They telephoned him to be told that he had now got the relay working, so there was no need to replace him. However later that day when I went out to test a rebuilt water maker pump, the genset would not start. The dreaded 3 flashes that I saw when he was working in the engine room remained. Getting into the second level of codes showed error 35 which is an EPROM failure which requires a replacement control board which in Turkey costs US$1880! With labour $2174!

As the engine and genset bodies are both electrically connected I am convinced that my genset was damaged by the electrical discharges that this man made whilst he was in panic mode. How else could the EPROM fail whilst shut down following a perfect shutdown the previous day? It's a million to one chance that the EPROM would fail whilst the electrician was working next to the shutdown genset. The only trouble I have ever had with my Onan is impeller failures from time to time. Electrically it has been perfect.

I met with the manager of Marlin who at first agreed that accidents like this could happen, and he tried to convince me that the board was OK, quoting suspect fuses that don't even exist on the Onan! Once he realised the cost of replacing the board, he refused to consider that his company was in anyway responsible and that there would be no compensation for my loss. It's a difficult one to prove, but the circumstances all point to the reckless behaviour of their electrician. Torque Marine who are the appointed Onan service agents changed the board and everything is fine once more, except my bank account. I would have thought that service companies might be required to carry insurance to cover damage caused by their employees? Court action would be difficult as I don't live in Turkey, but I could always post my opinion of their company on social media. Onan were contacted and their opinion was that the EPROM was probably damaged by the electrical shorting.

Has anyone else had a similar misfortune, and any advice on how to resolve it? Does anyone have in depth knowledge of a Turkish service companies responsibilities when something goes wrong?

Ian Shepherd SM2K 414 Crusader Marmaris Turkey

On 19 October 2018 at 07:02 "Danny Simms sailorman.ds@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi Bill,

further to my last. The reason it won't be over the slot is because the tongue I described being worn off. I struggled with the same problem before it was pointed out to me by another amelian.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On Fri, 19 Oct 2018 at 04:37, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ian,

I have found one issue you might have a look at.  I am sure there are others that people with more Amel time than I have come across.

I haven't noticed it being sensitive to the exact height on the foil, although I haven't tested it much in that regard.

If latch actually works with all the parts in hand,  it might be an alignment issue.  Keep the lashing line from the head of the genoa very short, and be sure that the head swivel is rotating smoothly.  You want to be sure that the latch stays directly over the proper slot in the foil. If it rotates off center a bit it doesn't latch.

Bill Kinney

Sm160, Harmonie

Annapolis, MD, USA

---In amelyachtowners@..., <sv_freespirit@...> wrote :

The last few times I have used my ballooner it has failed to lock into
the swivel. The halyard run looks normal and I have tried various
rotational positions other than the recommended one of the slot facing
dead aft. It still refuses to lock. I am wondering if the swivel should
be lower to offset the rearwards departure of the halyard as the hook
nears the top? I could only lower the genoa by a few inches before it
touches the pulpit rails. I have tried both my nylon and aluminium hooks
with and without the sail attached. The mousetrap on the swivel looks
and functions normally, or did a few weeks ago when I had the genoa down
after the problem first appeared.

Any thoughts please? I love using this sail.

Ian Shepherd SM2K 414 Crusader (2003)

 

 

 

 

I am fishing for a gut feeling on this one . Whilst in Marmaris Turkey I had a company called Marlin Yachting come and have a look at my Yanmar engine which was becoming increasingly difficult to start. They fixed that easily by renewing the O-ring in the water sensor at the bottom of the engine mounted fuel filter. They also advised that there was marginal current flowing through the extra solenoid that I had fitted to shut down the engine. This is connected to the manual shut off lever, and was installed by myself some years ago because the shut off valve in the fuel pump was unreliable, it sometimes taking more than a minute of holding the stop button in to stop the engine. As they were the experts I agreed that they would send over their electrician to install an extra relay in the solenoid circuit.

I watched this man struggle with the task for about an hour and a half. He was almost in panic mode, tearing wires off and on the relay connectors and then testing the supply by shorting a live wire several times to the engine casing. I noticed too that the fault light on the genset rocker switch had started to flash, but thought at the time he might just have lent on the switch and brought the yellow light on. The genset had after all ran perfectly the day before coming into a marina to have the work done.

His efforts seemed so confused that I decided to go to Marlin's office to express concern that he was taking so long and acting in a reckless way. They telephoned him to be told that he had now got the relay working, so there was no need to replace him. However later that day when I went out to test a rebuilt water maker pump, the genset would not start. The dreaded 3 flashes that I saw when he was working in the engine room remained. Getting into the second level of codes showed error 35 which is an EPROM failure which requires a replacement control board which in Turkey costs US$1880! With labour $2174!

As the engine and genset bodies are both electrically connected I am convinced that my genset was damaged by the electrical discharges that this man made whilst he was in panic mode. How else could the EPROM fail whilst shut down following a perfect shutdown the previous day? It's a million to one chance that the EPROM would fail whilst the electrician was working next to the shutdown genset. The only trouble I have ever had with my Onan is impeller failures from time to time. Electrically it has been perfect.

I met with the manager of Marlin who at first agreed that accidents like this could happen, and he tried to convince me that the board was OK, quoting suspect fuses that don't even exist on the Onan! Once he realised the cost of replacing the board, he refused to consider that his company was in anyway responsible and that there would be no compensation for my loss. It's a difficult one to prove, but the circumstances all point to the reckless behaviour of their electrician. Torque Marine who are the appointed Onan service agents changed the board and everything is fine once more, except my bank account. I would have thought that service companies might be required to carry insurance to cover damage caused by their employees? Court action would be difficult as I don't live in Turkey, but I could always post my opinion of their company on social media. Onan were contacted and their opinion was that the EPROM was probably damaged by the electrical shorting.

Has anyone else had a similar misfortune, and any advice on how to resolve it? Does anyone have in depth knowledge of a Turkish service companies responsibilities when something goes wrong?

Ian Shepherd SM2K 414 Crusader Marmaris Turkey