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Re: New Caliper design for the Shaft Brake

 

Donato,

I believe that Amel SAV response has been changing over time, probably because they are not 100% sure. And, I am not sure because possible the assembly has changed over time. SAV told me that it should fit on a SM hull that is between 325 and 335 (I give a range because the SM owner is a client). Additionally, SAV said that there may be some installation difficulty, but not impossible.

That is all I know. My information is 5 weeks old. Most likely SAV has additional information.

Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 12:12 PM Donato Valente <ing.d.valente@...> wrote:
Bill, following your advise I’ve asked Amel  whether the new design is suitable on the SM2000 #468. And the answer was negative. I’ve then called the producer, who confirmed that the adjustments should be very easy. 
So far we didn’t buy yet, but we think that there’s no other solution. 
All the best
Donato 

SM2000, Hull 468,  now lonely in Sidney area. 

Il giorno ven 5 apr 2019 alle 16:13 CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> ha scritto:
Eric,

The price Amel quoted is 416.24€ plus freight. It is my understanding that Amel is shipping this new caliper now, but I do not know how much inventory they have.

I agree, I like the design. I spoke with Thierry regarding the fit and ease of installation. He said that he could not be 100% sure of the ease of installation, but he assured me that it would install. It is made by the same company that made the older design on your boat. If I were you, I would ask Amel SAV directly, as the answer may have evolved in the last 2 months.



On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 9:47 PM eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Bill,

It looks very nice. What was the cost from Amel?

I have some parts waiting to get put together at Amel for shipment. When do you think this assembly will be shipped. Is it for the Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu?

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2019 4:55 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Shaft brake conundrum, any ideas appreciated!

 

Porter, et al

I have been waiting to respond because there were some things developing.

Amel recently quoted a new and improved caliper assembly to one of my clients who originally ordered brake shoe assemblies. I added a photo of this improved calipher here: https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main/photo/84614/0?p=Created,,,20,2,0,0

From what I understand from Amel this will be used going forward and that the pads and other parts for the old caliper may not be available anymore. I also understood from them that they were not sure of the difficulty in installing this new part.

I like the design of the new part. As soon as my client installs it, I will post whether there were and difficulties.
--

 


Re: New Caliper design for the Shaft Brake

Donato Valente
 

Bill, following your advise I’ve asked Amel  whether the new design is suitable on the SM2000 #468. And the answer was negative. I’ve then called the producer, who confirmed that the adjustments should be very easy. 
So far we didn’t buy yet, but we think that there’s no other solution. 
All the best
Donato 

SM2000, Hull 468,  now lonely in Sidney area. 


Il giorno ven 5 apr 2019 alle 16:13 CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> ha scritto:
Eric,

The price Amel quoted is 416.24€ plus freight. It is my understanding that Amel is shipping this new caliper now, but I do not know how much inventory they have.

I agree, I like the design. I spoke with Thierry regarding the fit and ease of installation. He said that he could not be 100% sure of the ease of installation, but he assured me that it would install. It is made by the same company that made the older design on your boat. If I were you, I would ask Amel SAV directly, as the answer may have evolved in the last 2 months.



On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 9:47 PM eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Bill,

It looks very nice. What was the cost from Amel?

I have some parts waiting to get put together at Amel for shipment. When do you think this assembly will be shipped. Is it for the Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu?

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2019 4:55 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Shaft brake conundrum, any ideas appreciated!

 

Porter, et al

I have been waiting to respond because there were some things developing.

Amel recently quoted a new and improved caliper assembly to one of my clients who originally ordered brake shoe assemblies. I added a photo of this improved calipher here: https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main/photo/84614/0?p=Created,,,20,2,0,0

From what I understand from Amel this will be used going forward and that the pads and other parts for the old caliper may not be available anymore. I also understood from them that they were not sure of the difficulty in installing this new part.

I like the design of the new part. As soon as my client installs it, I will post whether there were and difficulties.
--

 


Re: New Caliper design for the Shaft Brake

eric freedman
 

Thanks Bill.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2019 10:13 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] New Caliper design for the Shaft Brake

 

Eric,

 

The price Amel quoted is 416.24€ plus freight. It is my understanding that Amel is shipping this new caliper now, but I do not know how much inventory they have.

 

I agree, I like the design. I spoke with Thierry regarding the fit and ease of installation. He said that he could not be 100% sure of the ease of installation, but he assured me that it would install. It is made by the same company that made the older design on your boat. If I were you, I would ask Amel SAV directly, as the answer may have evolved in the last 2 months.

 

Best,

 

Bill Rouse

720 Winnie St.

Galveston, Texas 77550

832-380-4970

 

 

On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 9:47 PM eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Bill,

It looks very nice. What was the cost from Amel?

I have some parts waiting to get put together at Amel for shipment. When do you think this assembly will be shipped. Is it for the Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu?

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2019 4:55 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Shaft brake conundrum, any ideas appreciated!

 

Porter, et al

I have been waiting to respond because there were some things developing.

Amel recently quoted a new and improved caliper assembly to one of my clients who originally ordered brake shoe assemblies. I added a photo of this improved calipher here: https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main/photo/84614/0?p=Created,,,20,2,0,0

From what I understand from Amel this will be used going forward and that the pads and other parts for the old caliper may not be available anymore. I also understood from them that they were not sure of the difficulty in installing this new part.

I like the design of the new part. As soon as my client installs it, I will post whether there were and difficulties.
--

 

Best,

 

Bill Rouse
Yacht School  
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


Re: Amel SM 2000 in the UK

Mark Barter
 

Hi Andrew,

That sounds perfect. 

I will look at flights, let you know when we will be there we will visit at your convenience.

Many thanks
Mark


New Caliper design for the Shaft Brake

 

Eric,

The price Amel quoted is 416.24€ plus freight. It is my understanding that Amel is shipping this new caliper now, but I do not know how much inventory they have.

I agree, I like the design. I spoke with Thierry regarding the fit and ease of installation. He said that he could not be 100% sure of the ease of installation, but he assured me that it would install. It is made by the same company that made the older design on your boat. If I were you, I would ask Amel SAV directly, as the answer may have evolved in the last 2 months.

Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 9:47 PM eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Bill,

It looks very nice. What was the cost from Amel?

I have some parts waiting to get put together at Amel for shipment. When do you think this assembly will be shipped. Is it for the Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu?

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2019 4:55 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Shaft brake conundrum, any ideas appreciated!

 

Porter, et al

I have been waiting to respond because there were some things developing.

Amel recently quoted a new and improved caliper assembly to one of my clients who originally ordered brake shoe assemblies. I added a photo of this improved calipher here: https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main/photo/84614/0?p=Created,,,20,2,0,0

From what I understand from Amel this will be used going forward and that the pads and other parts for the old caliper may not be available anymore. I also understood from them that they were not sure of the difficulty in installing this new part.

I like the design of the new part. As soon as my client installs it, I will post whether there were and difficulties.
--

 

Best,

 

Bill Rouse
Yacht School  
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


Re: Amel SM 2000 in the UK

Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

Hi Mark

 

Yes I think that might be possible – we live near Toulouse but are  planning the annual lift out for  4 days  on the 29th of April to 2nd of May  and then will be there or nearby until the weekend of the 11th of May.

 

Regards

 

Andrew

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark Barter
Sent: Friday, April 5, 2019 2:49 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Amel SM 2000 in the UK

 

Hi Andrew,

I am looking at the possibility of a few days cycling in Girona at the beginning of May. Perpignan is only an hour or so away. Are you in the area around that time?

Kind regards
Mark


Re: Amel SM 2000 in the UK

Mark Barter
 

Hi Andrew,

I am looking at the possibility of a few days cycling in Girona at the beginning of May. Perpignan is only an hour or so away. Are you in the area around that time?

Kind regards
Mark


Re: Discharge manifold repair/replacement

eric freedman
 

Hi ,

Do you have any idea as to who makes these fittings?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of rossirossix4
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 7:11 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Discharge manifold repair/replacement

 

[Edited Message Follows]

Hi Paul,
This may apply although it involves the distribution manifold and might be of general interest.  When I was in the Amel shop in Le Marin (not that far from you), this caught my eye.  François, who had fabricated it explained that it was for an Amel 54 and I believe he said it was €800.  Looked like a really great idea to me....I took a pic and made a mental note to think about making up one back in the States using Bill's dimensions.  (For you SM owners) he did indicate to me that he would consider fabricating one for an SM.  Gotta love the individual ball valves. Plus acid cleaner possibilities....


Bob and Suzanne, KAIMI


Re: Shaft brake conundrum, any ideas appreciated!

eric freedman
 

Bill,

It looks very nice. What was the cost from Amel?

I have some parts waiting to get put together at Amel for shipment. When do you think this assembly will be shipped. Is it for the Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu?

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2019 4:55 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Shaft brake conundrum, any ideas appreciated!

 

Porter, et al

I have been waiting to respond because there were some things developing.

Amel recently quoted a new and improved caliper assembly to one of my clients who originally ordered brake shoe assemblies. I added a photo of this improved calipher here: https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main/photo/84614/0?p=Created,,,20,2,0,0

From what I understand from Amel this will be used going forward and that the pads and other parts for the old caliper may not be available anymore. I also understood from them that they were not sure of the difficulty in installing this new part.

I like the design of the new part. As soon as my client installs it, I will post whether there were and difficulties.
--

 

Best,

 

Bill Rouse
Yacht School  
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


Re: Shaft brake conundrum, any ideas appreciated!

 

Porter, et al

I have been waiting to respond because there were some things developing.

Amel recently quoted a new and improved caliper assembly to one of my clients who originally ordered brake shoe assemblies. I added a photo of this improved calipher here: https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main/photo/84614/0?p=Created,,,20,2,0,0

From what I understand from Amel this will be used going forward and that the pads and other parts for the old caliper may not be available anymore. I also understood from them that they were not sure of the difficulty in installing this new part.

I like the design of the new part. As soon as my client installs it, I will post whether there were and difficulties.
--
 
Best,
 
Bill Rouse
Yacht School  
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


Re: Vetus Coupling - When to Service and Replace Rubber Donuts - Warning

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Bill, 

We are in agreement that if the engine mounts are changed alignment is needed.  In my case the bushes had worn through and the bolts holding the coupling together were loose and one was broken and yet no vibration. I had no alignment issues. We were in Tonga at the end of our Pacific crossing. Lucky it lasted.

Moving on. It is impossible to remove the bolts without getting the coupling off the c drive. Getting that off, as has been attested by many, is near impossible.After trying hard to get it off I opted for the simple and effective solution. I cut the heads off and replaced the bolts with nuts at both ends. I lost the locating system on the heads of the bolts but I used nyloc nuts and I have had no issue with the bolts loosening any more than the original. However it is important to regularly check these coupling bolts. Needs to be part of the regular engine room check.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 05 April 2019 at 08:21 CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Danny,

Your situation was rarer than you think.

A significant amount of owners don't change the Vetus coupling bushings until after the failed bushings has caused the running engine has shaken everything out of alignment.

And, most owners need to change the the motor mounts at the same time.

Thus, the Amel alignment coupling blank.

Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 1:58 PM eric freedman < kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi Bill,

I made that coupling alignment tool. If you would like the drawing of it I will be happy to send it to you .

There is also a trick to remove the coupling as it is the exact same diameter as the input shaft of the C drive.

Fair Winds

 

Eric

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2019 11:39 AM
To: AmelYachtOwners@groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Vetus Coupling - When to Service and Replace Rubber Donuts - Warning

 

All,

 

A client of mine recently replaced the Rubber Bushings inside his Vetus Coupling. His SM Yanmar had 4500 hours and zero vibration. Please look at the Rubber Bushings which were removed. It is estimated that within a few hundred hours, there would have been serious problems.

image.png

 

I recommend that you seriously plan on replacing these rubber bushings (Vetus K018 Bushing Kit) beginning at 3500 hours. Be careful because this job really requires some experience in realigning the engine/transmission/C-Drive. If you are in the Caribbean I recommend Didier at La Marina du Marin. Contact: Didier Lohezic <vaguesca"at"gmail.com> Mobile +596696815722. If you do not use Didier, I recommend that you source the Amel alignment coupling blank seen here:

image.png

You will likely replace the 4 bolts and nuts with: 

  • 4 each 10mm diameter, 9cm long threaded studs 
  • 8  nylon-insert lock nut 
  • Specify for the studs and nuts: Hardened Steel (Grade 8 in the US and normally black in color). 

 

Best,

 

Bill Rouse

720 Winnie St.

Galveston, Texas 77550

832-380-4970

 


 

 


Re: Vetus Coupling - When to Service and Replace Rubber Donuts - Warning

 

Danny,

Your situation was rarer than you think.

A significant amount of owners don't change the Vetus coupling bushings until after the failed bushings has caused the running engine has shaken everything out of alignment.

And, most owners need to change the the motor mounts at the same time.

Thus, the Amel alignment coupling blank.

Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 1:58 PM eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi Bill,

I made that coupling alignment tool. If you would like the drawing of it I will be happy to send it to you .

There is also a trick to remove the coupling as it is the exact same diameter as the input shaft of the C drive.

Fair Winds

 

Eric

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2019 11:39 AM
To: AmelYachtOwners@groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Vetus Coupling - When to Service and Replace Rubber Donuts - Warning

 

All,

 

A client of mine recently replaced the Rubber Bushings inside his Vetus Coupling. His SM Yanmar had 4500 hours and zero vibration. Please look at the Rubber Bushings which were removed. It is estimated that within a few hundred hours, there would have been serious problems.

image.png

 

I recommend that you seriously plan on replacing these rubber bushings (Vetus K018 Bushing Kit) beginning at 3500 hours. Be careful because this job really requires some experience in realigning the engine/transmission/C-Drive. If you are in the Caribbean I recommend Didier at La Marina du Marin. Contact: Didier Lohezic <vaguesca"at"gmail.com> Mobile +596696815722. If you do not use Didier, I recommend that you source the Amel alignment coupling blank seen here:

image.png

You will likely replace the 4 bolts and nuts with: 

  • 4 each 10mm diameter, 9cm long threaded studs 
  • 8  nylon-insert lock nut 
  • Specify for the studs and nuts: Hardened Steel (Grade 8 in the US and normally black in color). 

 

Best,

 

Bill Rouse

720 Winnie St.

Galveston, Texas 77550

832-380-4970


Re: Vetus Coupling - When to Service and Replace Rubber Donuts - Warning

eric freedman
 

Bill,

I assumed that you also are suggesting changing the engine mounts. If you don’t, you do not need to realign the engine.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of eric freedman
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2019 2:55 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Vetus Coupling - When to Service and Replace Rubber Donuts - Warning

 

Hi Bill,

I made that coupling alignment tool. If you would like the drawing of it I will be happy to send it to you .

There is also a trick to remove the coupling as it is the exact same diameter as the input shaft of the C drive.

Fair Winds

 

Eric

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2019 11:39 AM
To: AmelYachtOwners@groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Vetus Coupling - When to Service and Replace Rubber Donuts - Warning

 

All,

 

A client of mine recently replaced the Rubber Bushings inside his Vetus Coupling. His SM Yanmar had 4500 hours and zero vibration. Please look at the Rubber Bushings which were removed. It is estimated that within a few hundred hours, there would have been serious problems.

image.png

 

I recommend that you seriously plan on replacing these rubber bushings (Vetus K018 Bushing Kit) beginning at 3500 hours. Be careful because this job really requires some experience in realigning the engine/transmission/C-Drive. If you are in the Caribbean I recommend Didier at La Marina du Marin. Contact: Didier Lohezic <vaguesca"at"gmail.com> Mobile +596696815722. If you do not use Didier, I recommend that you source the Amel alignment coupling blank seen here:

image.png

You will likely replace the 4 bolts and nuts with: 

  • 4 each 10mm diameter, 9cm long threaded studs 
  • 8  nylon-insert lock nut 
  • Specify for the studs and nuts: Hardened Steel (Grade 8 in the US and normally black in color). 

 

Best,

 

Bill Rouse

720 Winnie St.

Galveston, Texas 77550

832-380-4970


Re: Vetus Coupling - When to Service and Replace Rubber Donuts - Warning

eric freedman
 

Hi Bill,

I made that coupling alignment tool. If you would like the drawing of it I will be happy to send it to you .

There is also a trick to remove the coupling as it is the exact same diameter as the input shaft of the C drive.

Fair Winds

 

Eric

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2019 11:39 AM
To: AmelYachtOwners@groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Vetus Coupling - When to Service and Replace Rubber Donuts - Warning

 

All,

 

A client of mine recently replaced the Rubber Bushings inside his Vetus Coupling. His SM Yanmar had 4500 hours and zero vibration. Please look at the Rubber Bushings which were removed. It is estimated that within a few hundred hours, there would have been serious problems.

image.png

 

I recommend that you seriously plan on replacing these rubber bushings (Vetus K018 Bushing Kit) beginning at 3500 hours. Be careful because this job really requires some experience in realigning the engine/transmission/C-Drive. If you are in the Caribbean I recommend Didier at La Marina du Marin. Contact: Didier Lohezic <vaguesca"at"gmail.com> Mobile +596696815722. If you do not use Didier, I recommend that you source the Amel alignment coupling blank seen here:

image.png

You will likely replace the 4 bolts and nuts with: 

  • 4 each 10mm diameter, 9cm long threaded studs 
  • 8  nylon-insert lock nut 
  • Specify for the studs and nuts: Hardened Steel (Grade 8 in the US and normally black in color). 

 

Best,

 

Bill Rouse

720 Winnie St.

Galveston, Texas 77550

832-380-4970


Re: Vetus Coupling - When to Service and Replace Rubber Donuts - Warning

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Bill,

I have in the past shared my story of having this situation in Tonga some years ago. Without going into those details I would comment that unlike the situation if one was changing engine mounts, the bush replacement gave no realignment issues. I removed the 4 bolts securing the motor to the angle iron frames and slid the motor aft to facilitate the replacement process. Then it was just a matter of sliding it back and replacing the bolts into the frames. No realignment needed. Likewise I have replaced the gearbox. Again no realignment needed as this had not changed. Just slide the motor along the frames and slide it back again. Years and many motoring hours trouble free since. The beauty of the Amel engine mount system.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 05 April 2019 at 04:38 CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

All,

A client of mine recently replaced the Rubber Bushings inside his Vetus Coupling. His SM Yanmar had 4500 hours and zero vibration. Please look at the Rubber Bushings which were removed. It is estimated that within a few hundred hours, there would have been serious problems.
image.png

I recommend that you seriously plan on replacing these rubber bushings (Vetus K018 Bushing Kit) beginning at 3500 hours. Be careful because this job really requires some experience in realigning the engine/transmission/C-Drive. If you are in the Caribbean I recommend Didier at La Marina du Marin. Contact: Didier Lohezic <vaguesca"at" gmail.com> Mobile +596696815722. If you do not use Didier, I recommend that you source the Amel alignment coupling blank seen here:
image.png
You will likely replace the 4 bolts and nuts with: 
  • 4 each 10mm diameter, 9cm long threaded studs 
  • 8  nylon-insert lock nut 
  • Specify for the studs and nuts: Hardened Steel (Grade 8 in the US and normally black in color). 

Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970


Re: Yacht insurance

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Mark,
Good that you read the requirements…
Since Irma & Maria, they have changed and are in my opinion impossible to follow.
Not to mention, even when you do, like I did, still it is a never ending fight…
Sincerely, Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Thu, 4/4/19, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@gmail.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Yacht insurance
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Date: Thursday, April 4, 2019, 9:25 AM


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Bill,


 

Our existing
Pantaenius
policy was changed after the big storms a couple of years
ago. Our coverage with
them was since 2012 ish. The big change was in the past we
would submit a storm
plan to them and they would base our deductable on the
location and the plan. I
thought this to be very fair and flexible. Instead they
opted to use a rigid policy
where they dictate the storm plan to us. I could not find
anywhere inside the Caribbean
where I felt I could meet the parameters outlined in the
policy amendment. I
mean seriously, how am I suppose to know how much the
concrete blocks weight or
the breaking strength of the straps used. And according to
the policy wording,
if one of the blocks weighed 4999 lbs, the entire claim
would be voided if we
had damage. And, where the heck to we find room to store 22
fenders aboard the
vessel? As soon as I read this, I decided it was time to
change. I was just
slow about it. But, when the rate increase came it was added
motivation. I was
basically paying for hurricane coverage knowing I couldn’t
meet the
requirements last season. Anyone know of anywhere in the
entire Carib where you
can secure the vessel between two fixed concrete piers,
assuming you have the 22
fenders? This was just all very ridiculous! But not as
ridiculous as this, “The
insured vessel shall be hauled and stored in a building
rated to withstand CAT
4 or greater storms”. I mean com’ on!!!!  Now I am
suppose to be a structural engineer?


 

 

IT IS EXPRESSLY WARRANTED BY
THE INSURED THAT DURING A NTS THE VESSEL SHALL FULLY COMPLY
WITH THE NAMED
TROPICAL STORM PLAN REQUIREMENTS STATED BELOW. IT IS
ACKNOWLEDGED, UNDERSTOOD,
AND AGREED BY THE INSURED THAT ANY DEVIATION FROM THE NAMED
TROPICAL STORM PLAN
REQUIREMENTS BELOW SHALL BE DEEMED A BREACH OF THIS WARRANTY
AND WILL VOID
COVERAGE FOR ANY AND ALL DAMAGE OR LOSS, DEFENSE COSTS, AND
LIABILITIES ARISING
FROM THE NTS REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THE DEVIATION WAS A CAUSE
OF THE DAMAGE OR
LOSS. THERE SHALL BE NO COVERAGE FOR DAMAGE OR LOSS ARISING
FROM A NTS UNDER
ANY CIRCUMSTANCES IF REASONABLE CARE IS NOT EXERCISED TO
SECURE OR MOVE THE
VESSEL IN ORDER TO PREVENT DAMAGE AND LOSS.

 

NAMED TROPICAL STORM PLAN
REQUIREMENTS:

 

1.                  
The insured vessel shall be hauled and secured
a
unitized cradle suitable for the vessel or in a hurricane
pit.  With either
arrangement, the vessel is to be lashed directly to the
ground or to concrete
blocks, one concrete block with a minimum weight of 5000 lbs
to be located at
each lashing anchor point.  Lashing is to be accomplished
using a minimum of one
(1) tensioning strap located symmetrically on each side of
the vessel for
every10 feet of vessel length. Each strap shall have a
minimum breaking
strength of 5000 lbs. Single straps may be run transversely
across the vessel
and lashed to the ground or concrete blocks on both sides of
the vessel to
accomplishrequired lashings.In addition, the vessel interior
and stowage
lockers shall be secured and locked to prevent theft and
vandalism and all
loose or removable items, components, parts, and equipment,
including but not
limited to personal effects, sails, cushions, canvas,
covers, and booms, must
be removed and properly secured to prevent damage or
loss.

 

-or-

 

2.                  
The insured vessel shall be hauled and stored
in a
building rated to withstand CAT 4 or greater storms.

 

-or-

 

3.        
The
insured vessel shall be secured between two fixed piers or a
fixed pier and a
bulkhead or two bulkheads; these fixed structures to which
the insured vessel
is secured must be suitable to sustain the wave action of
the NTS. The size of
the berth and the manner in which the insured vessel is
secured shall be such
that there is a minimum of 6 feet of distance between the
vessel and each fixed
pier or bulkhead and any adjacent vessels or pilings. The
insured vessel shall
NOT be secured to floating piers or docks. The insured
vessel shall be secured
by a minimum of 8 doubled lines on each side of the vessel
(16 total lines)
with appropriate chaffing protection and shall include a
minimum of bow, stern,
head spring, and back spring lines. The insured vessel shall
be fendered every
5 feet on its sides.

 

 

-or-

 

4.                  
The insured vessel maybe moved in order to
avoid the
effects of the NTS and prevent damage or loss, provided the
vessel is moved in
a time, manner, and direction reasonably calculated to avoid
the NTS based on
the projected path of the NTS and provided the projected
path of the NTS is
monitored by the insured at all times. If the vessel is
moved and then secured,
it must be secured in accordancewith requirement 1, 2, or 3
above, unless the
projected path of the NTS indicates the vessel will not be
affected by the
NTS. 

 

 

To me, this was
basically saying they no longer wanted our business, a fine
example of a great
company implementing crap policies. I regretted having to
leave Pantaenius
because I really like working with Scott. He was always very
quick to respond
and helpful. I have since found this same business acumen at
Y-Yacht.

 

BTW – The Pacific
Ocean coverage with Pantaenius was in excess of $10,000 and
would not cover a Panama
Canal transit. In addition, three people would be required
on passages over 36
hours adding an expense of hiring additional crew. Our next
highest policy
quote was 20% less.

 

 

With best
regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel
- Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently
cruising - San Blas Islands,
Panama

www.creampuff.us


 



From:
main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
[mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On
Behalf Of CW Bill RoBiuse

Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2019 10:44 AM

To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io

Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Yacht
insurance



 











Courtney, 






 





Something
to consider:





When was
your Pantaenius policy written? It is possible that newer
Pantaenius policies are even more restrictive. If so, what
James is
reporting may come to be true for you when your
Pantaenius policy renews.






 



























































































Best,



 





Bill Rouse





720 Winnie St.





Galveston, Texas 77550





832-380-4970





My
Calendar 











Yacht School




























































































 









 





On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at
9:41 AM James Cromie via Groups.Io
<jamescromie=yahoo.com@groups.io>
wrote:









Courtney-





Pantaenius provided
coverage if we remained north of 7
degrees north, and south of 10 degrees north during July 15
and November 1.
This excludes Grenada, Trinidad, and the ABCs. Of course,
they will provide
coverage without that restriction if we were willing to pay
$8,200 premium
and have a
deductible of $63,000.  This renders the policy
prohibitively expensive
for us.  In addition, their securement  policy during a
named
tropical storm would be difficult to execute in most
locations. 





 





So, yes, you can get
coverage without them but it is not
amenable to our needs.  





 





James



 



On Apr 4, 2019 10:27,
"Courtney Gorman via
Groups.Io" <Itsfun1=aol.com@groups.io>
wrote:

James what is the issue with
Pantaenius they have told me that I'm
fine in Grenada?



Cheers





Courtney





Trippin





54 #101 St Thomas





 



-----Original Message-----

From: James Cromie via Groups.Io <jamescromie=yahoo.com@groups.io>

To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>

Sent: Wed, Apr 3, 2019 10:09 pm

Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Yacht insurance



Hello fellow Amelians - 

I know that there has been recent discussion on various
insurance carriers, and
many people have found the need to change insurers due to
geographic
limitations or extremely restrictive policies.  



I am now in the same predicament and am looking to change
from Pantaenius to
another insurer while in the Southern / Western Caribbean
during the hurricane
season.  

 I have inquired with Y-Yachts and Top Sail, and both of
these informed me
that they cannot yet insure US documented yachts. 

I have found Novamar to be reasonably priced and will allow
us to keep our boat
in the ABC's during the hurricane season.  



Do any of you have experience with Novamar?  

I am also interested in recommendations for other carriers.
 



As always, I greatly appreciate the time and shared
experience of the group!
 



Best,

James

Soteria SM2000 #347

Frederiksted, St. Croix


Re: Dessalator shuts down for no apparent reason - CAT Pump Modification for less than 160 liters

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

Mark,

 

See attached. There’s not much to see really – just the connection to the probes that sit in the pipe. I think the clever stuff must be done in the controller.

 

An interesting development is that my watermaker is no longer getting to the “good quality” stage so I’m not making water at the moment. I measured TDS at 420ppm and have asked Dessalator what the threshold is. I’m now thinking new membranes. Mine are 11 years old.

 

Cheers,

 

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark Mueller
Sent: 04 April 2019 09:08
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Dessalator shuts down for no apparent reason - CAT Pump Modification for less than 160 liters

 

Hi Paul,
If not to much trouble could you please forward a photo of the TDS sensor, I would like to see if the Dessalator on our version includes this item.  I have always heard that the TDS sensor on at least the Dessalator 160's is a myth.  That the "Good Quality" light related only to a time delay circuit in the control system not an actual internal check.  Thanks.
--
Mark Mueller
Brass Ring  A54


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


Re: Yacht insurance

Miles
 

Pantaenius just told me that my policy would not be renewed this May—no discussion.    So I am pleased that this forum has had a discussion on the subject of different carriers.

 

Miles

s/y Ladybug, sm216,  Le Marin, Martinique


Re: Yacht insurance

James Cromie
 

Thanks for the info John. 
James

On Apr 4, 2019 11:47, John Clark <john.biohead@...> wrote:
Hi James,
   Yes we got booted from TopSail UK for 2019 thanks to the US registration.  We eventually settled with IMIS and the Jackline policy.  It is about 40% more expensive than the policy we had with TopSail, but their hurricane exclusion area is north of Grenada and south of Jacksonville FL. 

Be careful a few of the other policies we quoted would not cover the vessel at all for any casualty during hurricane season when inside the hurricane zone even if there was no storm present. 

John Clark
SV Annie  SM37
Brunswick GA


On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 10:09 PM James Cromie via Groups.Io <jamescromie=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello fellow Amelians - 
I know that there has been recent discussion on various insurance carriers, and many people have found the need to change insurers due to geographic limitations or extremely restrictive policies.  

I am now in the same predicament and am looking to change from Pantaenius to another insurer while in the Southern / Western Caribbean during the hurricane season.  
 I have inquired with Y-Yachts and Top Sail, and both of these informed me that they cannot yet insure US documented yachts. 
I have found Novamar to be reasonably priced and will allow us to keep our boat in the ABC's during the hurricane season.  

Do any of you have experience with Novamar?  
I am also interested in recommendations for other carriers.  

As always, I greatly appreciate the time and shared experience of the group!  

Best,
James
Soteria SM2000 #347
Frederiksted, St. Croix



Re: MANGO folding Table

Kaplan,Andre
 

Juan
Thanks so much for the photos of the cockpit table!

My email is:

Any further info on the table would be much appreciated

BR
Andre Kaplan
Mango 71 88


On Apr 4, 2019, at 11:04 AM, Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...> wrote:

Hello to the owner of a MANGO who has asked me for information on the Tórtola's folding table.
 
Unfortunately your email has disappeared from my inbox, possibly inadvertently erased by myself.

Here are some pictures of the table.  You can also find them i
n The following link. 



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But If you want to build it you should send me your email again to give you the details.

Best regards
Juan
MANGO 56
Cartagena de Indias

13961 - 13980 of 59190