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Re: Leather steering wheel cover install
amelforme
By a small amount I think all the dimensions were different enough to need a good accurate measurement. Sorry I can't remember more details. Should have written things down...
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JOEL F. POTTER CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST LLC THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY Office 954-462-5869
On Oct 14, 2020, at 4:14 PM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:
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Re: Leather steering wheel cover install
Thomas Kleman
Gary- you have to remove the old cover and measure very carefully. I even sent pics of some of the measurements. Oddly, boat leather.com does not save measurements from previous orders. I was pretty sure I have Alan's same wheel (his is 437) but while the owner had a record that he sold something to Alan, he didn't save the measurements.
Thomas Kleman SV L'ORIENT SM2K 422
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Re: Leather steering wheel cover install
Thomas Kleman
Thanks Alan- so can you see the disused holes in the wheel cover where it moves over the spoke or no ?
Thomas Kleman SV L'ORIENT SM2K 422 Oahu
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Re: Leather steering wheel cover install
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Thanks Joel. That would explain why two covers I got from Amel were too small. Maud didnt seem to know about the different diameters. Was the difference in wheel diameter or the size of the tube used. Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
On 15 October 2020 at 08:47 "Arnold Mente via groups.io" <Arnold.mente@...> wrote:
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Re: Leather steering wheel cover install
I choose this solution without changing the signature of Henry Amel!!
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Arnold SM203 SV Zephyr Am 14.10.2020 um 21:41 schrieb amelforme <jfpottercys@...>: There were at least three distinctly different steering wheels used on the Super Maramu during the production that yielded 479 examples over 16 years. I don’t remember the time period each wheel was built in, so sending measurements is a good idea. When I asked Jacques Carteau the reason for the changes, he mentioned that he was always looking to lighten the wheel without decreasing strength. Why? To put less of a load on the chain riven autopilot drive to the steering rack and reduce inertial loads on the entire system as it shifts direction. This is just one interesting example of the thought and minutia present in the evolution of the Super Maramu. All the best, Joel JOEL F. POTTER ~ CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST, L.L.C. The Experienced AMEL Guy UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE Office 954-462-5869 Cell 954-812-2485
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Wells Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 11:19 AM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Leather steering wheel cover install Looks awesome! -- Arnold SY Zephyr SM203
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Re: Leather steering wheel cover install
amelforme
There were at least three distinctly different steering wheels used on the Super Maramu during the production that yielded 479 examples over 16 years. I don’t remember the time period each wheel was built in, so sending measurements is a good idea. When I asked Jacques Carteau the reason for the changes, he mentioned that he was always looking to lighten the wheel without decreasing strength. Why? To put less of a load on the chain riven autopilot drive to the steering rack and reduce inertial loads on the entire system as it shifts direction.
This is just one interesting example of the thought and minutia present in the evolution of the Super Maramu.
All the best, Joel
JOEL F. POTTER ~ CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST, L.L.C. The Experienced AMEL Guy UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE Office 954-462-5869 Cell 954-812-2485
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Wells
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 11:19 AM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Leather steering wheel cover install
Looks awesome!
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Re: Genoa Chain Plate bolts Leaking in aft hanging closet
James Alton
Ken,
I have worked on boats that used the butyl tape and use it myself for applications. It is good stuff overall and I always carry some on the boat. Works best it seems on mating parts that keep pressure on the buytl. If for instance you removed the chainplate and used the buytl tape between the chainplate and the fiberglass, the material would be pressed into the bolt holes and seal well. You can also come back later and retighten the bolts if a new leak occurs and sometimes it will reseal, not so with caulk. But I have not had the best luck sealing bolt holes alone with Butyl since the material does not want to stay on the bolt and fully fill the voids like caulking can. So if I were just sealing the bolts I would go with a caulking. Best, James
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From: Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...> To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Sent: Wed, Oct 14, 2020 11:50 am Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Genoa Chain Plate bolts Leaking in aft hanging closet Hi Bill,
I knew the copper vent pipe for the fuel tank in the closet area, however, I didn't know about the potential condensation problem within the closet. I will look a bit closer at the potential places where the water could come from, but I am pretty sure it is coming from at least one of the bolt holes on the bottom row of 4 bolts holding the Genoa chainplate. Stick a few paper towels in various places and see which one gets wet. Next, I guess I need to do some research about Butyl tape. See if that could be the silver bullet I've been looking for... Ken Aquarius SM2K262 stuck in Thailand.
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Re: Genoa Chain Plate bolts Leaking in aft hanging closet
Ken Powers SV Aquarius
Hi Bill,
I knew the copper vent pipe for the fuel tank in the closet area, however, I didn't know about the potential condensation problem within the closet. I will look a bit closer at the potential places where the water could come from, but I am pretty sure it is coming from at least one of the bolt holes on the bottom row of 4 bolts holding the Genoa chainplate. Stick a few paper towels in various places and see which one gets wet. Next, I guess I need to do some research about Butyl tape. See if that could be the silver bullet I've been looking for... Ken Aquarius SM2K262 stuck in Thailand.
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Re: Genoa Chain Plate bolts Leaking in aft hanging closet
James Alton
Ken,
Your plan should get you sealed back up. I didn't mention my recommendations for a sealant since I assume that you have a limited selection to pick from. The 5200 or 4200 will work for you. If you however can find the Polyether caulking called Multicaulk, sold in the States by West Marine, this would be my top choice because it does not seem to break down and turn gooey like the Polyurathenes can over time. Exposure to any kind of oil such as diesel is a problem for Polyurathenes and accelerates the softening. The Multicaulk is a bit softer and more flexible than the Polyurathenes, even the 4200. The softeness is a benefit in the bond of the sealant. Exposure to oils can temporarily soften the Polyether but as the oil is washed away, the polyether tends to return to it's original cured state. I have had complete failures with 4200 (and 5200 would be no different) from painting over the caulking seams on a wooden hull with traditional oil paints. Polyether caulking can be painted or vanished over without problems.
Best of luck,
James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
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From: Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...> To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Sent: Wed, Oct 14, 2020 5:04 am Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Genoa Chain Plate bolts Leaking in aft hanging closet Thanks to all you Amelians for helping me through this mess! I think I have a good procedure for the repair now. But as aways, subject to change once I get into job. It looks as though it should take all of 3 hours to complete this task, but as boat jobs go, I alway grossly underestimate time required 'til completion.
So, here is my revised plan of attack for this 1. Remove 1 or 2 of the bolts. Not to remove the entire chainplate. 2. Clean hole and bolt with acetone. 3. Verify no damage or pitting to the bolts. 4. Tape off area that I don't want to be covered in 4200. 5. Put good amount of 4200 into hole. Use a small toothbrush or q-tip to make sure that 4200 is completely covering the walls of bolt hole. 6 . Replace bolts and nuts. 7. Repeat (1 to 6) until finished with all the bolts. Except, I am only planing to do the 4 bottom bolts under the rub rail, not the single bolt in the middle of the chainplate. This bolt does not show signs of leaking, and even if it did, the leak should be at most, minor, due to the location. Unlike the 4 bottom bolts which could submersed in water for extended periods of time under the rub rail rubber. 8. Glue interior back together. Planing to use 3M Super 77 Spray Adhesive. This part should be straightforward. 9. Replace Rub Rail rubber piece. Using lots of soap and a bit of water! If anyone has any suggestions, or reasons why I should change the process, let me know? Thank you all!! Ken Aquarius SM2K#262 In Krabi Boat Lagoon, Thailand
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Re: Leather steering wheel cover install
Looks awesome!
I wrote to them and asked about a kit for the SM .. Their reply was that "there are different sizes" so I needed to send measurements ... I didn't think this was the case. May I ask if you got a "Kit" number or part number from them I could reference? If not, I'll start measuring (whick means stripping the old stuff off first, I presume). Thanks! Gary W. SM 209, Adagio Maryland, USA
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Re: Genoa Chain Plate bolts Leaking in aft hanging closet
Jose Venegas
Ken,
Perhaps something you already did but just in case, were you able to visualize water going through the bolt? Now that you have it stripped down the rub rail you can put some water outside and make sure the leak is through the bolt and, if not visualize where it is actually coming from. Jose Ipamena SM 278
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VP TMD 22 muffler
I do some services New elbow, cleaning the heat exchanger and turbo etc. My question what to do, if anything with the Stainless steel muffler? I have seen that some have had corrosion dammage is that common? Shall I replace while at it or will it likely last another 5-10 years? now 20years old.
Paul on sykerpa SM 259 Lagos Portugal
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Re: Genoa Chain Plate bolts Leaking in aft hanging closet
Ken, You probably are aware of the fact that the copper pipe vent for the fuel tank is above the area where you have a leak, and this copper vent pipe will create more water than you may realize because of condensation. I bring this up because you are focussed on the chainplate on the starboard side/aft. In certain climate conditions, we experienced more condensation because of that copper fuel tank vent than we thought would happen, and we did not notice the cause until after we smelled mold. Just a thought that I had that I am sure you are aware of. Bill
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Re: Genoa Chain Plate bolts Leaking in aft hanging closet
Ruslan Osmonov
Hi Ken, did you consider Butyl tape as a sealant? Many prefer it to seal hatches, it stays tacky for years and years and you can easily remove it if needed.
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Re: Genoa Chain Plate bolts Leaking in aft hanging closet
Billy Newport
For reattaching the interior
https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company-us/all-3m-products/~/3M-Hi-Strength-90-Spray-Adhesive/?N=5002385+3293242219&rt=rud Here is a video doing something similar on a nordhavn https://youtu.be/6_U84YwUk5w Skip to about 12 minutes
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Re: Genoa Chain Plate bolts Leaking in aft hanging closet
Ken Powers SV Aquarius
Thanks to all you Amelians for helping me through this mess! I think I have a good procedure for the repair now. But as aways, subject to change once I get into job. It looks as though it should take all of 3 hours to complete this task, but as boat jobs go, I alway grossly underestimate time required 'til completion.
So, here is my revised plan of attack for this 1. Remove 1 or 2 of the bolts. Not to remove the entire chainplate. 2. Clean hole and bolt with acetone. 3. Verify no damage or pitting to the bolts. 4. Tape off area that I don't want to be covered in 4200. 5. Put good amount of 4200 into hole. Use a small toothbrush or q-tip to make sure that 4200 is completely covering the walls of bolt hole. 6 . Replace bolts and nuts. 7. Repeat (1 to 6) until finished with all the bolts. Except, I am only planing to do the 4 bottom bolts under the rub rail, not the single bolt in the middle of the chainplate. This bolt does not show signs of leaking, and even if it did, the leak should be at most, minor, due to the location. Unlike the 4 bottom bolts which could submersed in water for extended periods of time under the rub rail rubber. 8. Glue interior back together. Planing to use 3M Super 77 Spray Adhesive. This part should be straightforward. 9. Replace Rub Rail rubber piece. Using lots of soap and a bit of water! If anyone has any suggestions, or reasons why I should change the process, let me know? Thank you all!! Ken Aquarius SM2K#262 In Krabi Boat Lagoon, Thailand
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Re: Leather steering wheel cover install
Hi Tom and Kirstin,
We did our wheel with a kit from Boat Leather in 2017. How you are holding it in the pic is exactly how we did it. I sewed the cover up to where it meets the spoke cover, pulled the thread tight up to the spoke cover and then brought it through the back to the other side and carried on sewing. Cheers Alan Elyse SM437
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Re: Genoa Chain Plate bolts Leaking in aft hanging closet
James Alton
Ken,
My boat is a 1987 Maramu so consider this information general in nature to your situation. I would suggest that you start by removing one bolt to see what kind of sealant was used originally. If you find that silicone caulking was used it will be the easiest to go back again with the same material since most products will not bond well to silicone. If the original caulking is silicone and you want to use the 5200, you will need to mechanically remove all traces of the silicone to get a good bond. Regardless of the sealant to be used, I would suggest removing as much of the original sealant as possible since your best bond will be to the fiberglass and metal surfaces. One upside to the 5200 in your rainy situation is that it won't care if it gets wet during the curing process but silicones can work fine as a sealant too. Just be really sure that the surfaces you are applying the caulking to are dry to get the best adhesion. Gentle heating with a hair dryer can remove the moisture and so long as the surfaces remain warm you won't have any condensation. Complete removal of the chainplate is preferrable but you should be able to restore the seal by just rebedding the offending bolts. I would clean up and inspect the bolts to be sure that you don't have any pitting or corrosion since salt water has been in there. No need to worry about cleaning caulking from the threads, in fact I would leave it to help lock the nuts. None of the caulkings are strong enough to prevent the removal of the nuts in the future. In the case of a chainplate adherred with 5200 to the gelcoat, you can also be temporarily weaken a polyurathene caulking like 5200 by carefully heating the metal to reduce or eliminate damage to the gelcoat. Best of luck.
James Alton
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
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From: Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...> To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Sent: Wed, Oct 14, 2020 2:30 am Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Genoa Chain Plate bolts Leaking in aft hanging closet Hi Erik,
Here are some photos of the job at hand! I talked with some local boaties here at Krabi Boat Lagoon, and they suggested 5200. It has been raining for 5 days straight, and looks like it will continue for the next 6 days. I am thinking once it stops for a day or two, I will do the following. 1. Remove 1 or 2 of the bolts. Not to remove the entire chainplate. 2. Clean hole and bolt with alcohol. 3. Put good amount of 5200 into hole. 4. Replace bolt or bolts and try to get as much of the 5200 off the treads. So that I don't glue the nut onto the bolt. I am told that this will not be a problem, any thoughts? 5. Repeat until finished with all the bolts. Except, I am only planing to do the 4 bottom bolts under the rub rail, not the single bolt in the middle of the chainplate. This bolt does not show signs of leaking, and even if it did, the leak should be at most, minor, due to the location. Unlike the 4 bottom bolts which could submersed in water for extended periods of time. And thoughts about this decision? 6. Glue interior back together. Still wondering what adhesive to use to re-attach the interior lining. It's like Humpty Dumpty, just hope I don't need all the Kings Horses, and all the Kings men. 7. Replace Rub Rail rubber piece. Anyone have thoughts about my intended procedure? Ken Aquarius SM2K#262 In Krabi Boat Lagoon, Thailand
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Re: Genoa Chain Plate bolts Leaking in aft hanging closet
eric freedman
Hi David,
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What you are referring to as Barge cement sounds exactly like Contact cement is applied. My shoemaker uses contact cement. It is also used to adhere laminates such as Formica to countertops. Fair Winds, Eric
On October 14, 2020 at 3:09 AM david bruce <davidcbruce57@...> wrote:
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Re: Genoa Chain Plate bolts Leaking in aft hanging closet
Hi Ken,
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I’d second Eric’s suggestion to use 4200 (or Sikaflex 291), 5200 is primarily an adhesive, not really needed in your application, additionally they are more flexible than 5200 thus less likely to micro crack over time. Just a heads up on a couple other issues I came across, neither 4200 or 5200 specifically mentions using on SS, just aluminum or (other metals), there have been accounts of 5200 curing poorly or not at all in very hot, humid climates and a couple years ago there was a major recall of defective 5200 in Australia. ( not sure where it all went, Thailand perhaps? :), As far as the headliner, I haven’t had much luck w contact cement but Barge cement works well, used for shoe soles initially, just thin layer both sides, let dry, put together, (and need to get it right the first time, won’t readily come apart to flatten wrinkles etc. Good luck. Dave Bruce Liesse SN006 Preveza
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