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Re: watertight doors

David Wallace
 

Friends of ours told us the story of hitting a rock in Maine waters while sailing their Maramu at six knots. The result was an approximately 1’ hole in the forward hull. They immediately closed the forward door and valves and easily motored to a boatyard where the boat was subsequently lifted and the hole repaired. They said the boat longitudinal axis stayed level and the water in the v-berth was only up to the top of the bunks.

Dave Wallace
former owner sv Air Ops
Maramu 104


On May 8, 2021, at 5:24 AM, Craig Briggs via groups.io <sangaris@...> wrote:

Assuming the forward compartment is flooded it follows that water pressure will aid in sealing the door such that the crossbar would be redundant (other than to seal its own bolt hole). Dogging it so tight as to deform the door and cause gaps at the top seems unnecessary - a gentle snug should do.  That being said, my door has a perpendicular stiffening piece of wood and the entire door engages the seal evenly when closed and dogged (haven't tried to dog it with great force).

My aft door only seals at the bottom and sides; the top is open and there is no crossbar. If the aft compartment is flooded water pressure would keep the door sealed.

if the main salon is flooded, you likely have problems of a "Titanic" nature. 

--Craig
SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Re: watertight doors

Craig Briggs
 

Assuming the forward compartment is flooded it follows that water pressure will aid in sealing the door such that the crossbar would be redundant (other than to seal its own bolt hole). Dogging it so tight as to deform the door and cause gaps at the top seems unnecessary - a gentle snug should do.  That being said, my door has a perpendicular stiffening piece of wood and the entire door engages the seal evenly when closed and dogged (haven't tried to dog it with great force).

My aft door only seals at the bottom and sides; the top is open and there is no crossbar. If the aft compartment is flooded water pressure would keep the door sealed.

if the main salon is flooded, you likely have problems of a "Titanic" nature. 

--Craig
SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Re: watertight doors

Derick Gates SM2K #400 Brava
 

Eric,

 I have noticed that if I tighten the bar too much, both of the watertight doors will begin to gap at the top. I note this with my crew during safety training so they do not over tighten the bar.

I have not yet tried shaving down the rubber gasket near the middle/bottom of the door to see if that corrects the issue, but I believe that may be possible. 

Anyone else have experience with this issue?

Derick Gates
SM2K #400
Brava


Re: Spinnaker pole strut mast fitting ball joint replacement? #replacement

Kevin Schmit
 

Excellent suggestion Bill. Thank you all who weighed in on support of this topic.

Kevin


--
Kevin & Kristen Schmit
KIANA
SM #362


Re: watertight doors

Nicolas Klene
 


 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 3:17 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Water Intrusion and watertight bulkheads

 

Hi All.

if you want to convince yourself about the inadequacy of bilge pumps in the case of a hull breach remove your speed log from the through hull when the boat is in the water.

It is down right scary how much water comes in FAST from that relatively small hole. The idea of massive capacity 120 or 230 volt pumps sounds good till you consider Murphy's' law. What can go  wrong, will go wrong, at at the worst possible time. Batteries don't like being under water.

What situation would necessitate that huge volume pump? You can bet not a quiet controlled one. Panic and mayhem may prevail. Gen set wont start. inverter fails, someone in panic gets it all wrong. 

The captains Amel watertight bulkheads make all the sense in the world. But does all your crew know where the locking bars are, and how to fit  them? Do you know where they are so you could put your hand on them in an instant.

Do the valves on the bilge piping that passes through the bulkhead operate, or are they frozen?The water tight bulkheads  will buy valuable time while you find a method to pug the hole. Above the waterline, cushions stuffed in. Below the waterline a more compressed plugging. Large holes, fothering which is drawing a sail or something similar over the outside of the hull.

Certainly large pumps are great but just one of the methods needed. 

Joel is it true that at an Annapolis boat show years ago they flooded the front cabin on a SM and showed the boat could still sail? 

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 03 May 2021 at 03:37 Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

I recently finished reading the book 66 days Adrift, where a boat was "attacked" by a large pod of pilot whales 1000 miles into the passage between panama and Hawaii and the boat was lost due to water intrusion in the main salon area, in a matter of minutes. I have always thought about the survivability and resilience of our Amels in different scenarios. I have the following questions and hoping the answers are within our group.

  1. Will there be sufficient buoyancy to stay afloat, if there is a large breach in the salon area and the forward and aft bulkhead doors are secured?
  2. Are the forward and aft bulkhead areas watertight only to a certain height about the cabin floor, or could the entire volume be flooded without water intruding into the engine compartment or the salon area. This would be important if there is a large breach at the cabin top, thus allowing the volume to be filled by waves or the boat is inverted.
  3. I have thought about and there has been some discussion about carrying an auxiliary pump, in order to buy some time, in case of a major leak, so that a temporary repair can be implemented. The following chart shows the amount of water flow by hole size and depth of hole. As you can see, at even 2 feet below the water line, a 1.5 inch hole is sufficient to overcome any pumps that we have been discussing in the group. Has anyone come up with a viable design of an engine mounted/operated trash type pump design, or maybe a larger electric pump that could utilize the full  output of the generator (11KW) to allow for significantly more pumping capacity.

Boat Flooding Rates in Gallons per Minute

Depth of Hole Below Waterline

Diameter of Opening or Hole

1 in

1.5 in

2 in

2.5 in

3 in

3.5 in

4 in

1 ft

19.4

43.8

77.9

121.7

175.3

238.6

311.6

2 ft

27.8

62.5

111.1

173.6

250.0

340.2

444.4

3 ft

33.9

76.3

135.7

212.0

305.3

415.6

542.8

4 ft

39.3

88.4

157.1

245.3

353.5

481.2

628.4


Any and all other thought sand plans to add to our tool bag to help in similar situations, would be appreciated.

 


 On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 10:04 PM, eric freedman wrote:

Have any members experienced the watertight door pulling away from the seal at the top when the crossbar is attached?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 3:17 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Water Intrusion and watertight bulkheads

 

Hi All.

if you want to convince yourself about the inadequacy of bilge pumps in the case of a hull breach remove your speed log from the through hull when the boat is in the water.

It is down right scary how much water comes in FAST from that relatively small hole. The idea of massive capacity 120 or 230 volt pumps sounds good till you consider Murphy's' law. What can go  wrong, will go wrong, at at the worst possible time. Batteries don't like being under water.

What situation would necessitate that huge volume pump? You can bet not a quiet controlled one. Panic and mayhem may prevail. Gen set wont start. inverter fails, someone in panic gets it all wrong. 

The captains Amel watertight bulkheads make all the sense in the world. But does all your crew know where the locking bars are, and how to fit  them? Do you know where they are so you could put your hand on them in an instant.

Do the valves on the bilge piping that passes through the bulkhead operate, or are they frozen?The water tight bulkheads  will buy valuable time while you find a method to pug the hole. Above the waterline, cushions stuffed in. Below the waterline a more compressed plugging. Large holes, fothering which is drawing a sail or something similar over the outside of the hull.

Certainly large pumps are great but just one of the methods needed. 

Joel is it true that at an Annapolis boat show years ago they flooded the front cabin on a SM and showed the boat could still sail? 

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 03 May 2021 at 03:37 Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

I recently finished reading the book 66 days Adrift, where a boat was "attacked" by a large pod of pilot whales 1000 miles into the passage between panama and Hawaii and the boat was lost due to water intrusion in the main salon area, in a matter of minutes. I have always thought about the survivability and resilience of our Amels in different scenarios. I have the following questions and hoping the answers are within our group.

  1. Will there be sufficient buoyancy to stay afloat, if there is a large breach in the salon area and the forward and aft bulkhead doors are secured?
  2. Are the forward and aft bulkhead areas watertight only to a certain height about the cabin floor, or could the entire volume be flooded without water intruding into the engine compartment or the salon area. This would be important if there is a large breach at the cabin top, thus allowing the volume to be filled by waves or the boat is inverted.
  3. I have thought about and there has been some discussion about carrying an auxiliary pump, in order to buy some time, in case of a major leak, so that a temporary repair can be implemented. The following chart shows the amount of water flow by hole size and depth of hole. As you can see, at even 2 feet below the water line, a 1.5 inch hole is sufficient to overcome any pumps that we have been discussing in the group. Has anyone come up with a viable design of an engine mounted/operated trash type pump design, or maybe a larger electric pump that could utilize the full  output of the generator (11KW) to allow for significantly more pumping capacity.

Boat Flooding Rates in Gallons per Minute

Depth of Hole Below Waterline

Diameter of Opening or Hole

1 in

1.5 in

2 in

2.5 in

3 in

3.5 in

4 in

1 ft

19.4

43.8

77.9

121.7

175.3

238.6

311.6

2 ft

27.8

62.5

111.1

173.6

250.0

340.2

444.4

3 ft

33.9

76.3

135.7

212.0

305.3

415.6

542.8

4 ft

39.3

88.4

157.1

245.3

353.5

481.2

628.4

 

 Hello Eric
Yes I have noticed on the forward watertight  bulkheads a slight gap at the top where water would ingress...
--
Nicolas Klene
DarNico
SM2K # 471
In Marseille


Re: Pipe feeding heating in main rear cabin

Slavko Despotovic
 

Hi,

it is fine, and yes you can close it. The only problem is that it limits the opening of door of the cabinet as you can see on the photo. Closing will cause more air coming from other outlets as pointed by Eric.

Best regards.
--
Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Portoroz


Amel 54 Secondary Saltwater Manifold made by SOFOMARIN of welded polypropylene pipe

 



Amel 54 Secondary Saltwater Manifold made by SOFOMARIN of welded polypropylene pipe
is ready to be ordered for the Amel 54! AND the SM2k. The SM2k will be posted tomorrow.

It is made of welded polypropylene pipe PPG and made by the supplier to Amel, SOFOMARIN. 
The total kit costs 456.50 €. I negotiated a 15% discount for you. Net is about 388 € +VAT +Freight.
This price does not include VAT or transportation costs.
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You should take this opportunity to order Amel OEM hose supplied by SOFOMARIN:
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See this installation and order guide.
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Re: Pipe feeding heating in main rear cabin

eric freedman
 

Nicolas,

Amel delivers the boat with no holes in the heating tube in the head.

Ian and Judy on PenAzen had the factory drill holes in the tubing in the head.

It was a great idea, so I had Amel do the same on Kimberlite. You can close the flap on the heat vent in the aft cabin without harm to the heater as the other outlets just put out more air.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Nicolas Klene via groups.io
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2021 4:44 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Pipe feeding heating in main rear cabin

 

Thank you Slavo for the picture of the outlet in the rear cabin 👍!

Is it practical ? Can you close it to have air only on the bathroom ? 


--
Nicolas Klene
DarNico
SM2K # 471
In Marseille


Re: Pipe feeding heating in main rear cabin

Nicolas Klene
 

Hello Ross and Donna
thank you ever so much for the pictures ,that will help me a lot
kindest regards 
nick

--
Nicolas Klene
DarNico
SM2K # 471
In Marseille


Re: Pipe feeding heating in main rear cabin

Nicolas Klene
 

Thank you Slavo for the picture of the outlet in the rear cabin 👍!
Is it practical ? Can you close it to have air only on the bathroom ? 

--
Nicolas Klene
DarNico
SM2K # 471
In Marseille


Re: Spinnaker pole strut mast fitting ball joint replacement? #replacement

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Kent, thanks for the story. You did everything right but still got caught. The forward block blowing saved much more serious damage. Shows the value of a weak point with lesser damage potential. Raising the pole ends when the sea is up is a sensible precaution, actually advised in the Amel hand book.

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 08 May 2021 at 00:59 "karkauai via groups.io" <karkauai@...> wrote:

A few years ago I was sailing N in the Gulf Stream in 20kts from astern.  In the middle of the night with no warning (it was a moonless night with no lightning observed) we were suddenly in 35+ kts from 40d off the starboard stern.  The seas rapidly grew from 5-6 ft to 8-10 ft.  I turned directly downwind and furled the headsails together to about 10%.  But before I could muster the crew and get the poles down, we rolled and caught the tip of the port pole in the water.  It shattered the forward guy block, and the pole came whipping back alongside the dodger. No damage there, but potentially an even worse problem than we had.

The problem was a thunder storm that must have formed right over us, or just didn't have any lightning.  That was before I got my new Radar, and I didn't use it at night unless I saw a specific need.

So now I take the poles down at night, and run the radar at night.  In any choppy seas over 4-5 ft, I raise the end of the poles a couple of feet above horizontal.

Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Preparing to sail to Maine in early June

--
Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243


Re: Spinnaker pole strut mast fitting ball joint replacement? #replacement

 

Kevin,

If I were you and because this is the only part of the pole system that will suffer from UV degradation, I would take the other "good" ball off of the short pole and bring it to a machine shop and have it duplicated using solid aluminum.

Actually, every SM owner should probably consider this.

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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 8:46 AM Kevin Schmit <kevschmit64@...> wrote:
I checked with Sparcraft and they only made some of the components of the Amel spinnaker pole system.  They had never seen the ball joint fitting before.

I did provide pics along with my email to Amel.  I’ll give them a few more days to respond.

As always,  I appreciate the feedback and support this group always provides when looking for sage advice.

Kevin Schmit
Portsmouth, NH


--
Kevin & Kristen Schmit
KIANA
SM #362






Super Maramu length of the Long Pole

 

Kent,

Yesterday I was told that Amel shortened the long pole with the SM 2000. I have noticed how the long poles are stored on deck with earlier model SMs versus later models. The earlier models overhang the toe-rail at the bow. I have always thought this to be simply a different storage method. When you get a chance, please measure the length of the aluminum tube on the long tubes. Next week I am going to be on a later model SM and will measure those.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 7:59 AM karkauai via groups.io <karkauai=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
A few years ago I was sailing N in the Gulf Stream in 20kts from astern.  In the middle of the night with no warning (it was a moonless night with no lightning observed) we were suddenly in 35+ kts from 40d off the starboard stern.  The seas rapidly grew from 5-6 ft to 8-10 ft.  I turned directly downwind and furled the headsails together to about 10%.  But before I could muster the crew and get the poles down, we rolled and caught the tip of the port pole in the water.  It shattered the forward guy block, and the pole came whipping back alongside the dodger. No damage there, but potentially an even worse problem than we had.

The problem was a thunder storm that must have formed right over us, or just didn't have any lightning.  That was before I got my new Radar, and I didn't use it at night unless I saw a specific need.

So now I take the poles down at night, and run the radar at night.  In any choppy seas over 4-5 ft, I raise the end of the poles a couple of feet above horizontal.

Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Preparing to sail to Maine in early June

--
Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243


Re: LiFePO4 Batteries, what they can do for you.

Nick Fowle SM 404 Rascal <svrascal@...>
 

Justin, 

Like many algorithmic solutions pertaining to sailing the answer is very specific to ones own situation and needs. Worth mentioning that I sail solo so my consumption is specific to me and may not equate to your own situation. Unfortunately   I do not have a washing machine , so that forms no part in my assumptions or variables.  But with 800ah of lithium here in the West Indies  I am pretty sure I would only run the genset to balance the batteries. 

I can’t increase battery bank capacity without a huge investment which makes no sense , but if I was doing it again, I think this would make sense as per Ken’s observations. However I am pretty certain  that based off where I am currently sailing, and the current seasonal weather , if I added another 400-500 wts of efficient solar , the genset would be close to redundant or a back up only for consistently bad weather or MPPT failures etc 

When I leave Grenada in July and start making my way west, and my partner joins me ( hairdryers etc 🙄) the situation will no doubt change.

Nick
SV Rascal
SM 404
Grenada 

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On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 9:26 AM, Justin Maguire <justin_maguire@...> wrote:
Thank you nick - my goal with 1200watts of solar and 800ah of lithium was to run the gene set once a week... 

This would let me make water and do the wash, as well as give the gen set enough run time not to have its own issues from too little use! 


On May 7, 2021, at 05:36, Nick Fowle SM 404 Rascal via groups.io <svrascal@...> wrote:

 Rascal is all electric galley wise. I have a ceramic hob(not induction) with electric oven and an separate convection oven. All 230v . Battery bank is 600AmpH of Lithium (battleborn, and I have a Quattro 3KW inverter / charger ) I cook mostly on hob, or use my Instant pot. The only time I run the genset specifically for galley is if the batteries are around 35% because the weather hasn’t been kind to my solar / wind setup. Otherwise if the batteries are around the 50% mark I may occasionally run the genset if I’m baking something for longer than 30mins and even then I’ll try and coincide this with running water maker or hot water and very rarely aircon etc 

….. 

the lithium set up is for me an excellent solution especially on anchor here in West Indies, but you do need a strong, consistent  and reliable way to charge them. I use a combination of solar (1.3KW now and looking to add another 500-600wts and a Silent wind) I try and only use genset when it’s been very overcast / rainy for a few days and batteries are low, tends to be in the evenings for obvious reasons. 

If I do motor between anchorages then it’s possible that i don’t run the genset for weeks as long as the weather has been kind. On average  I probably run the genset once a week for around 60mins. Once A month I have to balance the batteries, so will run the genset to fully charge the battery bank, which according to BB balances the bank efficiently, but I tend to try and do that if I’m in a Marina or having to motor for whatever reason. 

I would like a hydro generator for longer passages, especially the Wattamdsea Pod 600… but I don’t think the cost / efficiency/ hassle to to fit algorithm  makes sense right now. 

I think I would question the validity of the investment for Lithium if one spends a great deal of time on shore power. 

Nick
SV Rascal
SM 404
Grenada

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On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:20 AM, Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...> wrote:
Hello Justin,

No I don't use an electric stove.  1) I like to use gas, 2) I probably will buy a portable induction stove top in the future for redundancy.  

If the electric goes down for some reason, I want to be able to make hot a cup of hot tea if I want it.

Ken Powers,
Aquarius SM2K#262
Thailand 





Re: Spinnaker pole strut mast fitting ball joint replacement? #replacement

Kevin Schmit
 

I checked with Sparcraft and they only made some of the components of the Amel spinnaker pole system. They had never seen the ball joint fitting before.

I did provide pics along with my email to Amel. I’ll give them a few more days to respond.

As always, I appreciate the feedback and support this group always provides when looking for sage advice.

Kevin Schmit
Portsmouth, NH


--
Kevin & Kristen Schmit
KIANA
SM #362


Re: LiFePO4 Batteries, what they can do for you.

Justin Maguire
 

Thank you nick - my goal with 1200watts of solar and 800ah of lithium was to run the gene set once a week... 

This would let me make water and do the wash, as well as give the gen set enough run time not to have its own issues from too little use! 


On May 7, 2021, at 05:36, Nick Fowle SM 404 Rascal via groups.io <svrascal@...> wrote:

 Rascal is all electric galley wise. I have a ceramic hob(not induction) with electric oven and an separate convection oven. All 230v . Battery bank is 600AmpH of Lithium (battleborn, and I have a Quattro 3KW inverter / charger ) I cook mostly on hob, or use my Instant pot. The only time I run the genset specifically for galley is if the batteries are around 35% because the weather hasn’t been kind to my solar / wind setup. Otherwise if the batteries are around the 50% mark I may occasionally run the genset if I’m baking something for longer than 30mins and even then I’ll try and coincide this with running water maker or hot water and very rarely aircon etc 

….. 

the lithium set up is for me an excellent solution especially on anchor here in West Indies, but you do need a strong, consistent  and reliable way to charge them. I use a combination of solar (1.3KW now and looking to add another 500-600wts and a Silent wind) I try and only use genset when it’s been very overcast / rainy for a few days and batteries are low, tends to be in the evenings for obvious reasons. 

If I do motor between anchorages then it’s possible that i don’t run the genset for weeks as long as the weather has been kind. On average  I probably run the genset once a week for around 60mins. Once A month I have to balance the batteries, so will run the genset to fully charge the battery bank, which according to BB balances the bank efficiently, but I tend to try and do that if I’m in a Marina or having to motor for whatever reason. 

I would like a hydro generator for longer passages, especially the Wattamdsea Pod 600… but I don’t think the cost / efficiency/ hassle to to fit algorithm  makes sense right now. 

I think I would question the validity of the investment for Lithium if one spends a great deal of time on shore power. 

Nick
SV Rascal
SM 404
Grenada

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On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:20 AM, Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...> wrote:
Hello Justin,

No I don't use an electric stove.  1) I like to use gas, 2) I probably will buy a portable induction stove top in the future for redundancy.  

If the electric goes down for some reason, I want to be able to make hot a cup of hot tea if I want it.

Ken Powers,
Aquarius SM2K#262
Thailand 



Re: Spinnaker pole strut mast fitting ball joint replacement? #replacement

karkauai
 

A few years ago I was sailing N in the Gulf Stream in 20kts from astern.  In the middle of the night with no warning (it was a moonless night with no lightning observed) we were suddenly in 35+ kts from 40d off the starboard stern.  The seas rapidly grew from 5-6 ft to 8-10 ft.  I turned directly downwind and furled the headsails together to about 10%.  But before I could muster the crew and get the poles down, we rolled and caught the tip of the port pole in the water.  It shattered the forward guy block, and the pole came whipping back alongside the dodger. No damage there, but potentially an even worse problem than we had.

The problem was a thunder storm that must have formed right over us, or just didn't have any lightning.  That was before I got my new Radar, and I didn't use it at night unless I saw a specific need.

So now I take the poles down at night, and run the radar at night.  In any choppy seas over 4-5 ft, I raise the end of the poles a couple of feet above horizontal.

Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Preparing to sail to Maine in early June

--
Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243


Re: Spinnaker pole strut mast fitting ball joint replacement? #replacement

 

Here is a snippet from my book. 

Pole ends were made by FranceSpar, now www.SpaceCraft.fr, also in the US www.sparcraft-us.com. I am not sure if that company made the entire system for Amel. Amel recently made a new set of poles for a SM for a client of mine. Amel may be the best place to source that ball end because when I searched www.sparcraft-us.com I could not find this part. If you do not hear from SAV@... in a few days, call them at 33  5 46 55 17 31. 

I assume that you sent a photo with your request and that your request asked for availability and price...if not, it should have.

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Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 4:18 AM Kevin Schmit <kevschmit64@...> wrote:
Hey Amelians,

We had an accidental gybe while sailing downwind at night in 30 knot winds and as you can imagine the outcome wasn’t pretty... I’ve emailed Amel a couple days ago but haven’t gotten a reply yet.  Has anyone sourced replacement ball joint that mates the mast to spinnaker pole strut?  Pictures below



--
Kevin & Kristen Schmit
KIANA
SM #362


Re: LiFePO4 Batteries, what they can do for you.

Nick Fowle SM 404 Rascal <svrascal@...>
 

Rascal is all electric galley wise. I have a ceramic hob(not induction) with electric oven and an separate convection oven. All 230v . Battery bank is 600AmpH of Lithium (battleborn, and I have a Quattro 3KW inverter / charger ) I cook mostly on hob, or use my Instant pot. The only time I run the genset specifically for galley is if the batteries are around 35% because the weather hasn’t been kind to my solar / wind setup. Otherwise if the batteries are around the 50% mark I may occasionally run the genset if I’m baking something for longer than 30mins and even then I’ll try and coincide this with running water maker or hot water and very rarely aircon etc 

….. 

the lithium set up is for me an excellent solution especially on anchor here in West Indies, but you do need a strong, consistent  and reliable way to charge them. I use a combination of solar (1.3KW now and looking to add another 500-600wts and a Silent wind) I try and only use genset when it’s been very overcast / rainy for a few days and batteries are low, tends to be in the evenings for obvious reasons. 

If I do motor between anchorages then it’s possible that i don’t run the genset for weeks as long as the weather has been kind. On average  I probably run the genset once a week for around 60mins. Once A month I have to balance the batteries, so will run the genset to fully charge the battery bank, which according to BB balances the bank efficiently, but I tend to try and do that if I’m in a Marina or having to motor for whatever reason. 

I would like a hydro generator for longer passages, especially the Wattamdsea Pod 600… but I don’t think the cost / efficiency/ hassle to to fit algorithm  makes sense right now. 

I think I would question the validity of the investment for Lithium if one spends a great deal of time on shore power. 

Nick
SV Rascal
SM 404
Grenada

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On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:20 AM, Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...> wrote:
Hello Justin,

No I don't use an electric stove.  1) I like to use gas, 2) I probably will buy a portable induction stove top in the future for redundancy.  

If the electric goes down for some reason, I want to be able to make hot a cup of hot tea if I want it.

Ken Powers,
Aquarius SM2K#262
Thailand 



Re: Spinnaker pole strut mast fitting ball joint replacement? #replacement

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Folks,

This message concerns me. It comes after Delos reported on a near disaster while sailing downwind in gale force winds. As in this case they had the headsail poled out. Both vessels had bad outcomes with gear breakage. The Amel handbook recommends limiting these systems to 20 knots true wind. Down wind in big seas vessels, even Amels can yaw and swing, particularly if there is a big sea running. 

In both these cases when the wind wrong sided the sail serious damage occurred. In conjunction with this damage severe sideways forces would have been applied to the mast. Neither damaged the mast but in my opinion the strong possibility was there.

Of such errors are disasters made.

However these were both wind events. Consider the loading had the boat rolled at the same time as a big sea came up along side and the pole had dipped in the water. Delos was doing over 15 knots at times. We need to be aware of the risks of long poles fixed out at right angles to the boat and take them in in strong winds.

Just my opinion

Regards

Danny 

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 07 May 2021 at 21:18 Kevin Schmit <kevschmit64@...> wrote:

Hey Amelians,

We had an accidental gybe while sailing downwind at night in 30 knot winds and as you can imagine the outcome wasn’t pretty... I’ve emailed Amel a couple days ago but haven’t gotten a reply yet.  Has anyone sourced replacement ball joint that mates the mast to spinnaker pole strut?  Pictures below



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Kevin & Kristen Schmit
KIANA
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