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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: AGM battery equalisation

greatketch@...
 

Paul,

You might find some useful information about balancing batteries and why it is especially important for AGM's and GEL's here:  Battery Connections and Balancing

4 years is a good life span for flooded batteries, not bad (but not great) for AGMs.

AGM's are great batteries, but they are in some way more sensitive than flooded. If they are not brought up to full charge--often--they suffer.  Our AGM's lasted about 6.5 years, and were still OK, but we needed the reliability of a new bank so we upgraded them.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Georgetown, Bahamas


Re: AGM battery equalisation

mfmcgovern@...
 

Paul,

I'll throw in my 2 cents that it's time to start looking for new batteries.  4.5 years is a pretty good run especially if you have spent a lot of time at anchor and therefore have lots of discharge/charge cycles.  

Regarding trying to equalize the batteries, check the documentation of your specific batteries.  Most AGM batteries DO NOT recommend equalizing with the notable exception of Lifeline AGM batteries.  

The battery with 12.3 volts is gone.  Keeping that damaged battery in the bank is doing you more harm than good right now and actually can be a danger as it is likely getting quite hot when charging as well as venting excessive amounts of hydrogen gas.  If I were you I would immediately take out that battery as well as the worst of the remaining 11 and run with 5 pairs instead of 6 until you can replace the entire bank.

If you just replace the bad battery with a new one, that battery will have significantly more capacity than all the rest of your "old" batteries.  But your charger does not know that so when your "old" batteries are full, the new one won't even be close to full.  So you will be chronically undercharging the new battery leading to iot's premature failure AND you will be overcharging the old batteries at the same time leading to excess heat and venting of gas.

Regarding "balancing out the voltages" of the remaining batteries, my understanding from my research is that in a Series-Parallel battery bank it is more important that the voltages of the 12V batteries that are connected in Series to make each 24V battery are matched as closely as possible.

See this article:  https://www.coastalclimatecontrol.com/index.php/blog/192-a-true-balancing-act-battery-equalizing.html  There are products on the market called Battery Balancers whose purpose is to monitor these differences and modify the charge current sent to each battery to ensure that each gets fully charged such as this one:  https://www.victronenergy.com/upload/documents/Datasheet-Battery-Balancer-EN.pdf    

So in your case, you said that you have the following voltages in your 12 batteries:

12.7 12.6 12.5 12.5 12.6 12.6 12.5 12.6 12.5 12.6 12.7 12.3

I would disconnect the 12.3 and the lowest of the 12.5 batteries and then make the following set of five (5) 24V batteries connected in Parallel:

[12.7 12.7]
[12.6 12.6] 
[12.5 12.5] 
[12.6 12.6] 
[12.5 12.6]   


Last, I am NOT an electrical engineer nor a battery expert.  Most of what I know about deep cycle batteries comes from reading these sites:  https://marinehowto.com/under-load-battery-voltage-vs-soc/ and https://batteryuniversity.com/ and https://www.coastalclimatecontrol.com/index.php/blog.html.  They are full of great information to help you decide how best to proceed.  Good luck!

Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hair in macerate pump

ngtnewington Newington
 

I have threatened the family that they must all shave their heads……….

Hair gets everywhere!!! I have two teenage daughters, and a wife all with long blond hair. It is a mystery to me too, but just cleaning the floor through to boat yields a ton of hair! I think the advice to close the loo lid is good..
Nick Amelia (Aml 54 019)

On 10 Feb 2019, at 17:35, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hmmm,

 

I’m seriously confused. How is hair making its way to the inside of the toilets? If it is causing a problem wouldn’t the easiest solution be not to put it in there to begin with.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia

www.creampuff.us




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] AGM battery equalisation

ngtnewington Newington
 

Paul,

On my last boat I got nearly 10 years from my battery bank AGM’s and it was only because I left a lamp on and forgot to turn off the power when I left the boat for two weeks that they died. The lamp was not LED and there was no wind….…but I was not cruising full time. When not on the boat it was generally hauled out and the wind generator kept the bank at 100% for months at a time. On average I spent 4 months of the year aboard, rarely in marinas. The trick is to never discharge the bank below 60% but more importantly to bring it to 100% every week. This not easily done unless connected to shore power which is why solar and/or wind is so important. It really is as simple as that….the new generation of AGM’s (Firefly carbon foam) are supposed to tolerate the normal cruising lifestyle better and can be discharged lower, accept charge faster and do not suffer as badly. Reports are good but they are not readily available….it seams to me that changing 12 batteries every three years is crazy and expensive and  not very eco….to be avoided. Really the answer is to get the bank up to 100% every day or two and have enough solar or whatever to break-even on a day to day basis. My philosophy is to have a smaller bank of 8 batteries but to have enough solar and wind power so that the bank would only discharge at night and be topped off every day or so. Occasionally if cloudy and calm then some generating would have to be done…. or move anchorage and motor!! I also am careful to turn off inverters when not in use and come from the old school so am a bit of an AMP watcher. I guess it is interesting to see where the amps go. On the 54 I turn off the SSB breaker that powers the 24v:12v converters and also turn off most instruments when not actually being used. I have converted all the lamps to LED and in general turn stuff off.

Nick 

Amelia (Aml 54 019)

On 10 Feb 2019, at 17:38, Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Paul,

I believe that the 12.3 battery has failed. The 12.5 batteries are nearing the same point, with probably less than 1 year. 

I would disconnect the pair that has the 12.3 and move things so that one of the 12.5 batteries is also disconnected. In other words, 1 pair of the worst batteries are disconnected from the bank. Then I would start looking for the best place to buy and replace all of the batteries. I am going to guess that you should do this within about 6-8 months.

I am sure that you will find some owner that gets longer than 4 years life, but I will assure you he is not discharging his batteries at anchor as you are. I met a guy in Turkey who according to him got 12 years life from his batteries. Within 5 minutes of leaving the marina, they failed.😀

Best,

Bill Rouse
Amel School  
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 10:32 AM sharongbrown@...[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

First, many thanks for all your advice, it is much appreciated. I have 6 pairs for my 24v system. The pairs and voltages, after being fully charged (i.e. drawing 1A) and left disconnected for 12 hours, are as follows:

12.7 12.6 12.5 12.5 12.6 12.6 12.5 12.6 12.5 12.6 12.7 12.3

(I did that in two separate lots of 6 each so as to maintain power to the boat)

I'm afraid I don't quite understand what you mean balancing out the voltages. What do you think I should do with the one at 12.3v? Get rid of it, or pair it up with something else? 

Understood about 3-4 year expected life although I was hoping it may be a bit longer!

Cheers,
Paul




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: AGM battery equalisation

Jay Perry
 

Batteries from time to time should be equalized and most battery chargers can do this.
Another way to stop the need for this so often is to have every battery in a bank connected with the same thickness and length of cable to the charger cable, regardless if the cable need to be that long and connect all to a centralized buzz bar. This is to have the same resistance across all the batteries in the same bank.
However as mentioned lead acid, gel, AGM all use acid and have a maximum number of charge cycles. Yet after just 20 to 30 % of the maximum cycles (usually around 1 year) they will be less than 50% efficient at holding charge.
For batteries to last 5 to 10 years you would need to look at alternatives like lithium.

Regards 
Jay Perry

WHUATI - crew


On 10 Feb 2019, at 19:38, Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Paul,

I believe that the 12.3 battery has failed. The 12.5 batteries are nearing the same point, with probably less than 1 year. 

I would disconnect the pair that has the 12.3 and move things so that one of the 12.5 batteries is also disconnected. In other words, 1 pair of the worst batteries are disconnected from the bank. Then I would start looking for the best place to buy and replace all of the batteries. I am going to guess that you should do this within about 6-8 months.

I am sure that you will find some owner that gets longer than 4 years life, but I will assure you he is not discharging his batteries at anchor as you are. I met a guy in Turkey who according to him got 12 years life from his batteries. Within 5 minutes of leaving the marina, they failed.😀

Best,

Bill Rouse
Amel School  
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 10:32 AM sharongbrown@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

First, many thanks for all your advice, it is much appreciated. I have 6 pairs for my 24v system. The pairs and voltages, after being fully charged (i.e. drawing 1A) and left disconnected for 12 hours, are as follows:

12.7 12.6 12.5 12.5 12.6 12.6 12.5 12.6 12.5 12.6 12.7 12.3

(I did that in two separate lots of 6 each so as to maintain power to the boat)

I'm afraid I don't quite understand what you mean balancing out the voltages. What do you think I should do with the one at 12.3v? Get rid of it, or pair it up with something else?

Understood about 3-4 year expected life although I was hoping it may be a bit longer!

Cheers,
Paul


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hair in macerate pump

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Kent,

I had an old  screwdriver and I cut the handle down to a butt. Worked well. Also you can buy stumpy screw drivers. When you reassemble be sure to coat the screws with lanacote (for next time) and perhaps coach the owner of the long hair not to clean the hair brush or comb into the toilet bowl, it works OK at home into the sewage system but not on a boat, likewise dental floss. Also close the lid on the head at all times when not in use, brushing hair can release strays. Prevention is a whole lot easier than cure.

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 11 February 2019 at 06:12 "karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi all,
I had to replace a macerator pump. It had long hair wrapped around the shaft. We were wondering if anybody has used liquid plumber periodically in their toilets to dissolve hair?

I am concerned that it might not be good for the seals and/other head parts..

I haven’t been doing any maintenance on the heads, just flush with fresh water and treat with SewClean once a year. The pumps last about two years and I’ve been replacing them when they go bad.. Do you pull the pumps off regularly for cleaning, replacing seals, other? If so, what do you do and kind of life do they have? I find it very difficult to remove the pumps without removing the bowl, no place to get a screwdriver on the bottom two bolts. Any tricks?

Thanks,
Kent & Iris
Kristy
SM 243


 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: AGM battery equalisation

 

Paul,

I believe that the 12.3 battery has failed. The 12.5 batteries are nearing the same point, with probably less than 1 year. 

I would disconnect the pair that has the 12.3 and move things so that one of the 12.5 batteries is also disconnected. In other words, 1 pair of the worst batteries are disconnected from the bank. Then I would start looking for the best place to buy and replace all of the batteries. I am going to guess that you should do this within about 6-8 months.

I am sure that you will find some owner that gets longer than 4 years life, but I will assure you he is not discharging his batteries at anchor as you are. I met a guy in Turkey who according to him got 12 years life from his batteries. Within 5 minutes of leaving the marina, they failed.😀

Best,

Bill Rouse
Amel School  
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 10:32 AM sharongbrown@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

First, many thanks for all your advice, it is much appreciated. I have 6 pairs for my 24v system. The pairs and voltages, after being fully charged (i.e. drawing 1A) and left disconnected for 12 hours, are as follows:

12.7 12.6 12.5 12.5 12.6 12.6 12.5 12.6 12.5 12.6 12.7 12.3

(I did that in two separate lots of 6 each so as to maintain power to the boat)

I'm afraid I don't quite understand what you mean balancing out the voltages. What do you think I should do with the one at 12.3v? Get rid of it, or pair it up with something else?

Understood about 3-4 year expected life although I was hoping it may be a bit longer!

Cheers,
Paul


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hair in macerate pump

Mark Erdos
 

Hmmm,

 

I’m seriously confused. How is hair making its way to the inside of the toilets? If it is causing a problem wouldn’t the easiest solution be not to put it in there to begin with.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia

www.creampuff.us


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hair in macerate pump

ngtnewington Newington
 

Hi Kent and Iris,

I am afraid that the dreaded job of regularly de-hairing the macerator pump is on my list of preventative to do’s. It is not too bad if one pumps through plenty of clean water before! Caustic soda will dissolve hair and many other things but it is dangerous stuff. I use it in the main bilge about once a month as it is a great de-greaser, but for the head macerators I find it pretty quick and easy to take them off manually, clean and put them back with a small amount of silicon grease on the rubber seal. It really is a five to ten minute job.

Nick
S/Y Amelia 

On 10 Feb 2019, at 17:12, karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi all,
I had to replace a macerator pump. It had long hair wrapped around the shaft. We were wondering if anybody has used liquid plumber periodically in their toilets to dissolve hair?

I am concerned that it might not be good for the seals and/other head parts..

I haven’t been doing any maintenance on the heads, just flush with fresh water and treat with SewClean once a year. The pumps last about two years and I’ve been replacing them when they go bad.. Do you pull the pumps off regularly for cleaning, replacing seals, other? If so, what do you do and kind of life do they have? I find it very difficult to remove the pumps without removing the bowl, no place to get a screwdriver on the bottom two bolts. Any tricks?

Thanks,
Kent & Iris
Kristy
SM 243



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hair in macerate pump

 

Kent,

Maybe you should read what we gave those people visiting our boat. It is posted on BeBe's blog at https://svbebe.blogspot.com/p/visitors-to-bebe.html

The important part is: 
  • NOTHING GOES IN THE TOILETS BUT WHAT COMES OUT OF YOUR BODY and the appropriate toilet paper. – no feminine products, gum – not even a matchstick. And, most importantly, NO HAIR.......not one single strand!!! Our toilets are equipped with a macerator (kind of like a tiny blender blade) that is activated every time the 'flush' button is depressed. The macerator cuts all waste matter and paper into tiny bits before it is dumped into the holding tank. It is very important to depress the 'flush' button for a minimum of 12 seconds. Our toilet system flushes with sea water. Urine and salt water combine to form rock-hard 'crystals' that will block the discharge hoses; so it is very important to flush long enough to evacuate all urine from the discharge hoses and into the holding tank. Strands of hair wrap around the macerator blades and stop the flushing action. This is a very nasty job to clean and will break the macerator. Bill will not be very happy with you if he has to take apart the sewer line to clean up your mistake.
You may not have the optimum length screwdriver. I had one that fit perfectly and used it to do this job at least 6 or 7 times. You can buy a screwdriver with a flexible shaft. That would probably be the easiest way to do it.

Best,

Bill Rouse
Amel School  
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 11:12 AM karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi all,
I had to replace a macerator pump. It had long hair wrapped around the shaft. We were wondering if anybody has used liquid plumber periodically in their toilets to dissolve hair?

I am concerned that it might not be good for the seals and/other head parts..

I haven’t been doing any maintenance on the heads, just flush with fresh water and treat with SewClean once a year. The pumps last about two years and I’ve been replacing them when they go bad.. Do you pull the pumps off regularly for cleaning, replacing seals, other? If so, what do you do and kind of life do they have? I find it very difficult to remove the pumps without removing the bowl, no place to get a screwdriver on the bottom two bolts. Any tricks?

Thanks,
Kent & Iris
Kristy
SM 243


Hair in macerate pump

karkauai
 

Hi all,
I had to replace a macerator pump. It had long hair wrapped around the shaft. We were wondering if anybody has used liquid plumber periodically in their toilets to dissolve hair?

I am concerned that it might not be good for the seals and/other head parts.

I haven’t been doing any maintenance on the heads, just flush with fresh water and treat with SewClean once a year. The pumps last about two years and I’ve been replacing them when they go bad.. Do you pull the pumps off regularly for cleaning, replacing seals, other? If so, what do you do and kind of life do they have? I find it very difficult to remove the pumps without removing the bowl, no place to get a screwdriver on the bottom two bolts. Any tricks?

Thanks,
Kent & Iris
Kristy
SM 243


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: AGM battery equalisation

ya_fohi
 

First, many thanks for all your advice, it is much appreciated. I have 6 pairs for my 24v system. The pairs and voltages, after being fully charged (i.e. drawing 1A) and left disconnected for 12 hours, are as follows:

12.7 12.6 12.5 12.5 12.6 12.6 12.5 12.6 12.5 12.6 12.7 12.3

(I did that in two separate lots of 6 each so as to maintain power to the boat)

I'm afraid I don't quite understand what you mean balancing out the voltages. What do you think I should do with the one at 12.3v? Get rid of it, or pair it up with something else?

Understood about 3-4 year expected life although I was hoping it may be a bit longer!

Cheers,
Paul


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Any Amel owners who have sailed to Chile from Panama?

karkauai
 

Hi John,
Glad to hear from you.  You headed back N?  We’ll be inT&C for a few weeks, then heading S.

Not sure how we missed you.  We had a great weather window out of Ft L.  Motor sailed for about 6 hours on a light wind beam reach, then beam reach in 12-15 kts for the rest of the trip as the wind clocked from N to NE S we made the turn S.  Only took 3 days and had to slow down then heave to so we could enter in good light.

Have fun, be safe.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Feb 5, 2019, at 4:55 AM, John Clark john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Don't know about Chile but we jutst passed you leaving the Turks and Caicos.  We were off in the distance to your east.  Spotted your boat and thought she was an Amel...my eye is still good I see.

Regards,  John
SV Annie SM 37
Transiting the Bahamas.

On Sun, Jan 27, 2019, 2:25 PM jamescromie@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

Hello everyone - 

I'm interested to know if there are any Amel owners who have sailed to Southern Chile from Panama along the Pacific coast of South America.  If so, I'd love to hear about your experience.   


Many thanks!

-James

Soteria

#347


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] performance differences

webercardio <webercardio@...>
 

This is my Forespar LC 15-27-UTS-UTR Alu telescope boom we use for the Gennacker, the 6,80 m Amel boom on the other side for the genua.Holders at the reling are homemade, holder at mast combination of Forespare part and parts from Internet. 
Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54#162

Thank you all for the dinghy recommendations 



Duo 60 Cat Pump For Sale

Duane Siegfri
 

I had the drive shaft on the 24 volt side get chewed up due to a shaft key failure.  I think the key was 3/16" instead of the 5mm key.  As far as I know the pump is fine except for that, though keep in mind it is 14 years old.  A new drive shaft is needed to drive the 24 volt pump, or if you only use the 230 volt side you could use it as is.  $200 plus shipping.  A new pump is $1,400 plus shipping from France.  We'll be able to ship it for another week only.


I learned something interesting about the Duo 60.  Dessalator removed two of the three plungers (according to Mark Fruehauf at Balcen) to derate it, and to make it possible to use it without a low pressure feed pump.  So even if you have one of the higher capacity watermakers with a Cat #277 pump, you would not want this pump unless you intend to install the other two plungers.


Duane Siegfried

Wanderer, SM#477


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] performance differences

Sv Garulfo
 

54 poles again:

Agreed they are big and heavy. They can be managed solo but it’s easier with 2 people. What I think people would find the trickiest is over reaching at the bow to pass the sheet in the block.

I second the great idea to leave them to rest on the bow seat. 

Our mast base has 3 poles attachment fittings, on forward and one on each side for twin pole setup. In that configuration you can have both poles resting on the seat when not used. When using only the forward one, the staysail gets in the way and we just rest and lash it on the handrail. 

During our Atlantic crossing, we setup the twin pole configuration before we left and removed it 17 days later on the other side. We did extend the genoa sheets to be able to use the sail on either side. 

Happy sailing 

Thomas
GARULFO 
A54-122
Panama



On Sat, 9 Feb 2019 at 09:17, COURTNEY GORMAN Itsfun1@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

The second pole was an option on the 54

Courtney 
Trippin
54 #101
Benner Bay St Thomas 


On Feb 9, 2019, at 9:11 AM, Nick Newington ngtnewington@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Jeff,


I am not on the boat for the winter, so can not measure the stem fitting. My poles are normally stored on deck. So there is no track on the mast but fittings at the base of the mast. Consequently they are very long. The twin pole set up is for using the ballooner one side and the genoa the other. This is the classic Amel trade wind rig. I guess not all the 54’s were set up exactly the same. NicK
.
On 9 Feb 2019, at 12:40, JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:



Nick,
I'm curious, on 2 fronts..
I have 54 #14. There is only 1 pole, mounted on a track on the forward side of the mast. Where is your second pole mounted? Is it possible to send a picture?
I am considering mounting a receptor for a pole on the downhaul track (used to tighten the mainsail head), and using a telescopic pole to mount onto the receptor fitting. I'd have to store the pole on deck. It would only be used for a code zero deployment on the starboard side. 
Also, could you measure your stem fitting? Barry Connor 54 #14 has the 6.5mm stem fitting and is looking into replacing it with the Amel modified 20mm version.  If you have that similar 6.5mm fitting, you may want to contact Amel and express a desire to replace it also. Perhaps they would consider offering that item to owners if enough people express a desire to replace the under-manufactured part.    
Thanks.
Best Regards,
Jeff Spirit Amel 54 #14

On Sat, Feb 09, 2019 at 02:06 AM, Nick ngtnewington@...[amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

RE POLES ON THE 54

I have a 54 with twin aluminium poles. I can manage them alone but they are big and quite heavy.. One trick I have found is that when at sea and likely to be using them, but not actually using them. I  leave them clicked into their mounts at the base of the mast and lying horizontally lashed to the teak bow seat. They are then ready to hoist. They are secure do not get in the way. When it comes to sailing downwind, I am no fan of reaching up unless in light airs.. In my opinion poles are essential.
Nick s/y Amelia 019 54


On 8 Feb 2019, at 17:57, grove.ken@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks for taking the time for such a detailed description. The flavor of your information more or less matches  the relative degree of differences I was expecting between the three models, but with much more detail about exactly how (and why) they differ.


Can you elaborate a little more on the pole differences between the 53 and 54, especially as it relates to short handed sailing? The majority of the time it would be just my wife and I, and I'd be even more comfortable if it could be safely sailed by even just my wife should I get sick or injured. How much heavier and more cumbersome are the bigger 54 poles to handle? Are they still manageable enough that a typical female could handle them? I assume it would be highly advised to make sure they are the lighter carbon fiber variety.

You mentioned the extra difficulty on the 55 around docks due to the higher freeboard. Any other material differences you would note between the three models as it relates to easy / safe short handed sailing?




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] performance differences [1 Attachment]

Courtney Gorman
 

The second pole was an option on the 54
Courtney 
Trippin
54 #101
Benner Bay St Thomas 


On Feb 9, 2019, at 9:11 AM, Nick Newington ngtnewington@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Jeff,


I am not on the boat for the winter, so can not measure the stem fitting. My poles are normally stored on deck. So there is no track on the mast but fittings at the base of the mast. Consequently they are very long. The twin pole set up is for using the ballooner one side and the genoa the other. This is the classic Amel trade wind rig. I guess not all the 54’s were set up exactly the same. NicK
.
On 9 Feb 2019, at 12:40, JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:



Nick,
I'm curious, on 2 fronts.
I have 54 #14. There is only 1 pole, mounted on a track on the forward side of the mast. Where is your second pole mounted? Is it possible to send a picture?
I am considering mounting a receptor for a pole on the downhaul track (used to tighten the mainsail head), and using a telescopic pole to mount onto the receptor fitting. I'd have to store the pole on deck. It would only be used for a code zero deployment on the starboard side. 
Also, could you measure your stem fitting? Barry Connor 54 #14 has the 6.5mm stem fitting and is looking into replacing it with the Amel modified 20mm version.  If you have that similar 6.5mm fitting, you may want to contact Amel and express a desire to replace it also. Perhaps they would consider offering that item to owners if enough people express a desire to replace the under-manufactured part.    
Thanks.
Best Regards,
Jeff Spirit Amel 54 #14

On Sat, Feb 09, 2019 at 02:06 AM, Nick ngtnewington@...[amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

RE POLES ON THE 54

I have a 54 with twin aluminium poles. I can manage them alone but they are big and quite heavy. One trick I have found is that when at sea and likely to be using them, but not actually using them. I  leave them clicked into their mounts at the base of the mast and lying horizontally lashed to the teak bow seat. They are then ready to hoist. They are secure do not get in the way. When it comes to sailing downwind, I am no fan of reaching up unless in light airs. In my opinion poles are essential.
Nick s/y Amelia 019 54


On 8 Feb 2019, at 17:57, grove.ken@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks for taking the time for such a detailed description. The flavor of your information more or less matches  the relative degree of differences I was expecting between the three models, but with much more detail about exactly how (and why) they differ.


Can you elaborate a little more on the pole differences between the 53 and 54, especially as it relates to short handed sailing? The majority of the time it would be just my wife and I, and I'd be even more comfortable if it could be safely sailed by even just my wife should I get sick or injured. How much heavier and more cumbersome are the bigger 54 poles to handle? Are they still manageable enough that a typical female could handle them? I assume it would be highly advised to make sure they are the lighter carbon fiber variety.

You mentioned the extra difficulty on the 55 around docks due to the higher freeboard. Any other material differences you would note between the three models as it relates to easy / safe short handed sailing?




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] performance differences

ngtnewington Newington
 

Hi Jeff,

I am not on the boat for the winter, so can not measure the stem fitting. My poles are normally stored on deck. So there is no track on the mast but fittings at the base of the mast. Consequently they are very long. The twin pole set up is for using the ballooner one side and the genoa the other. This is the classic Amel trade wind rig. I guess not all the 54’s were set up exactly the same. NicK
.

On 9 Feb 2019, at 12:40, JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:



Nick,
I'm curious, on 2 fronts.
I have 54 #14. There is only 1 pole, mounted on a track on the forward side of the mast. Where is your second pole mounted? Is it possible to send a picture?
I am considering mounting a receptor for a pole on the downhaul track (used to tighten the mainsail head), and using a telescopic pole to mount onto the receptor fitting. I'd have to store the pole on deck. It would only be used for a code zero deployment on the starboard side. 
Also, could you measure your stem fitting? Barry Connor 54 #14 has the 6.5mm stem fitting and is looking into replacing it with the Amel modified 20mm version.  If you have that similar 6.5mm fitting, you may want to contact Amel and express a desire to replace it also. Perhaps they would consider offering that item to owners if enough people express a desire to replace the under-manufactured part.    
Thanks.
Best Regards,
Jeff Spirit Amel 54 #14

On Sat, Feb 09, 2019 at 02:06 AM, Nick ngtnewington@...[amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

RE POLES ON THE 54

I have a 54 with twin aluminium poles. I can manage them alone but they are big and quite heavy. One trick I have found is that when at sea and likely to be using them, but not actually using them. I  leave them clicked into their mounts at the base of the mast and lying horizontally lashed to the teak bow seat. They are then ready to hoist. They are secure do not get in the way. When it comes to sailing downwind, I am no fan of reaching up unless in light airs. In my opinion poles are essential.
Nick s/y Amelia 019 54


On 8 Feb 2019, at 17:57, grove.ken@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks for taking the time for such a detailed description. The flavor of your information more or less matches  the relative degree of differences I was expecting between the three models, but with much more detail about exactly how (and why) they differ.


Can you elaborate a little more on the pole differences between the 53 and 54, especially as it relates to short handed sailing? The majority of the time it would be just my wife and I, and I'd be even more comfortable if it could be safely sailed by even just my wife should I get sick or injured. How much heavier and more cumbersome are the bigger 54 poles to handle? Are they still manageable enough that a typical female could handle them? I assume it would be highly advised to make sure they are the lighter carbon fiber variety.

You mentioned the extra difficulty on the 55 around docks due to the higher freeboard. Any other material differences you would note between the three models as it relates to easy / safe short handed sailing?




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] performance differences

JEFFREY KRAUS
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] performance differences

ngtnewington Newington
 

RE POLES ON THE 54
I have a 54 with twin aluminium poles. I can manage them alone but they are big and quite heavy. One trick I have found is that when at sea and likely to be using them, but not actually using them. I  leave them clicked into their mounts at the base of the mast and lying horizontally lashed to the teak bow seat. They are then ready to hoist. They are secure do not get in the way. When it comes to sailing downwind, I am no fan of reaching up unless in light airs. In my opinion poles are essential.
Nick s/y Amelia 019 54


On 8 Feb 2019, at 17:57, grove.ken@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks for taking the time for such a detailed description. The flavor of your information more or less matches  the relative degree of differences I was expecting between the three models, but with much more detail about exactly how (and why) they differ.


Can you elaborate a little more on the pole differences between the 53 and 54, especially as it relates to short handed sailing? The majority of the time it would be just my wife and I, and I'd be even more comfortable if it could be safely sailed by even just my wife should I get sick or injured. How much heavier and more cumbersome are the bigger 54 poles to handle? Are they still manageable enough that a typical female could handle them? I assume it would be highly advised to make sure they are the lighter carbon fiber variety.

You mentioned the extra difficulty on the 55 around docks due to the higher freeboard. Any other material differences you would note between the three models as it relates to easy / safe short handed sailing?

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