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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] performance differences

Courtney Gorman
 

Will do My friend!!


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From: Joel Potter jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Wed, Feb 6, 2019 4:55 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] performance differences

 
Thanks Courtney and give Miss Cindy a hug from me. 

JOEL F. POTTER
CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
Office 954-462-5869 

On Feb 6, 2019, at 4:07 PM, Courtney Gorman Itsfun1@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Very well said Joel you are the ultimate Amel man with more knowledge about the boats than just about anyone in the world cheers my friend


On Feb 6, 2019, at 3:44 PM, jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Hello Ken. Here is more than anyone wants to know about the evolution, sailing performance and basic individual qualities of the Amel SM 53, 54, and 55.
 
As background, I was Amel’s sole representative for all North America for more than three decades. During this time, I had several Amel SM 53’s made available to me as demonstration boats for potential purchasers to try based in Fort Lauderdale. I also owned two Amel SM 53’s in my name that I used as demonstration boats during the last five years of SM 53 production. I have more than 40,000 miles at sea in the SM 53.
 
I also owned an Amel 54 and put about 20,000 miles on that boat and a variety of other  54’s travelling to boat shows, bringing them up from the Caribbean for resale and sometimes just to goof off and go sailing with client friends.
 
Amel made available to me in Fort Lauderdale a new Amel 55 for a bit more than a year. I was able to put about 3,000 miles on that boat performing test sails and travelling to boat shows.
 
I have sold more Amel boats on this side of the Atlantic than everyone else put together and know these boats technically very well.  I say that not for my ego but so you can learn that there is very little you can  ask me about an Amel that I won’t know. Amel’s training was that good and they spent a lot of money every year giving me recurrent training to make sure I knew as much about the boats as they did. I have a lot of very genuine enthusiasm for Amel boats and the people at Amel.
 
The SM 53 was a boat designed by Captain Henri Amel with the capable assistance of Jacques Carteau who was Amel’s right hand man for his entire working life. As you may know, Henri Amel was almost completely blind and Carteau was the one who took Amel’s ideas and put them on paper. The SM 53 was the culmination of everything Henri Amel, a very experienced offshore sailor, had learned. This was the last boat Amel and Carteau created together. The SM 53 is an exceptionally sea kindly boat, probably the best, by a small margin, compared to the Amel 54 and 55. I had several occasions to be at sea when I would have preferred to be anywhere else, and I mean anywhere, in all three boats and the SM 53 is the most predictable, linear and vice less of all three, again by a small but noticeable margin. While the boat has no pretense as a racer, if you have good sails and you know how to use them, the SM 53 performs well in any breeze above about 6 knots and absolutely flies in big breeze. I have been quite secure in wind of 40 knots plus very comfortably rolling off a 220 miles a day, in total control. In adverse seas the boat doesn’t pound much and, again, remains predictable and easy to manage at all times by a competent cruising couple. It is hard to come to grief in any Amel boat if you don’t do anything deliberately stupid. Moving boats to place them in boat shows means restricted schedules because to not show up on time is not an option. Neptune knows this and would usually punish me for past evils with really crappy weather. I never felt anything more than healthy levels of fear when at sea in an Amel.
 
A comfortable liveaboard and the easiest of all three to own and take care of, the only problem today is in finding a good SM 53 that has been well owned and  competently cared for its entire life and not messed up by unwanted or ill-conceived ‘improvements’ .
The youngest one is 14 years old and one bad owner can quickly erase the efforts of several good ones.
 
The Amel 54 was the last boat with complete Amel DNA as it was designed by The Amel Design Group which was composed of all the Amel management, Jacques Carteau, department heads of all the different construction disciplines, the After Sales Service team, of course all of us sales people. This well qualified and knowledgeable group was well led and managed by Jean Jacques Lemonnier who was being groomed to be the next Chairman of Amel. Captain Amel was retired by this time and living down in the south of France.
 
After building 479 SM 53, we knew what folks liked and didn’t like about the 53 and a lot of attention was paid to correcting deficiencies and adding improvements that SM 53 owners said they wanted. These mostly focused on liveability with a better galley with more refrigeration/freezer space, stall showers, and a centerline queen berth in the aft cabin, as well as a forward facing navigation station, two ‘easy chairs’ in the saloon and lots more ports and hatches, all of which were opening ( except the four ‘windows’ in the hull ) which greatly enhanced natural ventilation and brought much more daylight into the boat. The 54 had about 13% more internal volume than the SM 53 and when you consider that volume is a cube, this quite a bit more space. The aft locker easily swallows a 310 hard bottom inflatable to keep it out of sight when you are away from the boat. The boat sails pretty much like a larger SM 53 and is marginally faster in 10 knots of breeze and better. Some SM 53 owners say that they are faster. Nope. More sail area, longer waterline, more powerful/wider sections aft for more powerful reaching.
I have sailed with several 53’s while enjoying my 54 and I always had a bit more turn of speed, especially off the wind. Both boats are comparably stiff and go to weather about the same. There are two quite large poles for the 54’ Amel downwind ballooner system instead of two short ones and two medium ones on the SM 53. These big poles are more difficult to maneuver, especially when they are aluminum instead of lighter carbon fiber. One person can still set the ballooner but it takes a bit more energy and planning. I did not order the poles on my 54 but opted for a code zero and some other off the wind sales which gave me slightly better off the wind performance without the poles and with the boat rolling a lot less with more pressure on the sails.. It was about a wash speed wise with the same arrival time while sailing a slightly longer course. The Amel 54 was designed to have a staysail which greatly  the rigs versatility and adaptability to conditions. The Amel 53 was designed NOT to have a staysail ( really, Captain Amel  was dead set against this ) and if you find one that does, make sure it was installed so the loads for the stay are carried down and into the stem and not terminated on the deck or on the soft mahogany vertical separation/nonstructural bulkhead in the foredeck lockers. This is the advice of Jacques Carteau who should know better than anyone. I have seen this modification done incorrectly on more Amel SM 53’s than ones done the right way. In conclusion, the Amel 54 is a more comfortable boat to live aboard, has a better cockpit and dodger, even more storage space and is still easy for two to manage. Jacques Carteau retired at the end of the development of the Amel 54. Captain Amel passed away about the same time as the last SM 53 was built in 2005, just before the 54 was introduced.
 
The Amel 55 pointed toward the new direction now fully seasoned Chairman Jean Jacques Lemonnier wanted to move the company toward. The overall design was more focused on the type of cruising Mr. Lemonnier liked to do and where he thought the cruising sailboat market was evolving. It was the first Amel where the boat was designed by an outside firm, the well respected firm of Berret-Racoupeau in La Rochelle. Overall, the 55 has a much more modern appearance. The layout and engineering of systems was still done by Amel and the quality of construction was every bit as good as previous Amel boats. Berret-Racoupeau designs many racer/cruisers and outright racing boats. The hull form of the 55 is more performance oriented than previous Amel boats designed in house. The boat sails better on every point of sail and is faster in the same breeze than any previous Amel sailboat. Like most higher performance sailboats, the hull’s  forefoot is flat to promote surfing. This can cause the boat to pound when in choppy seas or when coming off the tops of breaking waves. The freeboard is taller than previous Amel boats which makes for a very voluminous interior. It also makes the boat much more lively when maneuvering in and about the marina and dockside. The powerful bow thruster was up to task but if I were to order one today, I would get a stern thruster too if a lot of marina and dockside living were in order. Two can still manage the boat but you need to be on your toes and stay ahead of the boat when in tight quarters. The booms are mounted higher on the masts allowing easier movement on deck but raising the center of effort which increases heeling and the rate at which degrees of heel are acquired. Quite different than the 53 and 54. One thing I noted quickly is that the dodger is about as good as it gets for all weather  operation, but you are located much higher off the water than in Amel boats that came before. A lot move movement with a quicker motion at the end of this longer arm. The long term liveability of the 55 is superb and the accommodations have a much more modern look and provide a very comfortable place to spend a lot of time. The galley in the 55 is as close to perfection as my wife and I had ever encountered.
 
In a nutshell, The 53 and 54 are much more similar performance wise than they are different. They feel slightly different under way and the 54 is slightly faster. The 54 is a better live aboard.
The 55 is a whole new class of Amel boat which sacrifices a little bit of sea kindliness for a well enhanced increase in performance.
 
I hope this is helpful and I would be happy to answer any further questions you might have.
 
All The Best, Joel   
 
          JOEL F. POTTER-CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST~L.L.C.
                                           THE  EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE
                                   Office 954-462-5869  Cell 954-812-2485
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 11:03 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] performance differences
 
 
I intend on buying either a Super Maramu, 54, or 55 in the next 1-2 years. It's easy finding feature differences (length, layouts, etc) or aesthetic differences between the models, but it's been difficult finding information on the relative sailing characteristics of the three hulls. 
 
Can anyone give me commentary on how differently these three boats sail from your experiences? How much difference in light wind performance? Heavy seas? Any other operational or performance differences between them that you think would be relevant in making a choice? 
 
I know the right answer is to get each on the water and test them myself, but given difficulties in finding them nearby, that's not realistic, so there is a good chance I'll have to rely on user feedback to pick a model and then focus my actual on-water tests to the hulls I'm actually intending to purchase. I'm assuming the sailing performance between these three hulls is small enough that it's likely to boil down to how new a boat I'm willing to pay for.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] performance differences

amelforme
 

Thanks Julie and Glen. I've enjoyed being part of this group since forever. What a great resource. I am fortunate that I have had a whole bunch of my Amel clients make it all the way around. I am sure everyone on this group would enjoy your book.

JOEL F. POTTER
CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
Office 954-462-5869 

On Feb 6, 2019, at 4:05 PM, Julie Bradley redjuliebradley@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Joel!!  Great to hear from you.   I am so glad you popped up on this forum!!  To any newer Amel folks who hasn't met Joel, we bought both of our Amels through Joel, who brought Amel to the attention of America through his great full page articles.  Joel is he is the only broker we have ever known who works incredibly hard to make a deal happen.  Our first Amel was used, and we almost walked away from the deal because of minor flaws which were easily corrected.  Joel invested time and patience to educate us while keeping the deal in play with the seller.    Please check out my new book Escape from the Ordinary.  Lots of excitement leaving the Amel factory - the boat figures prominently in parts.    Joel, you are not in the book but should have been!!   Hugs,  Glen and Julie Bradley, Escape from the Ordinary (can't put a link because that violates the promotion rule but if you haven't read it I will send a signed copy to you and Vela in Fort Lauderdale) 

On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 1:46 PM jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello Ken. Here is more than anyone wants to know about the evolution, sailing performance and basic individual qualities of the Amel SM 53, 54, and 55.

 

As background, I was Amel’s sole representative for all North America for more than three decades. During this time, I had several Amel SM 53’s made available to me as demonstration boats for potential purchasers to try based in Fort Lauderdale. I also owned two Amel SM 53’s in my name that I used as demonstration boats during the last five years of SM 53 production. I have more than 40,000 miles at sea in the SM 53.

 

I also owned an Amel 54 and put about 20,000 miles on that boat and a variety of other  54’s travelling to boat shows, bringing them up from the Caribbean for resale and sometimes just to goof off and go sailing with client friends.

 

Amel made available to me in Fort Lauderdale a new Amel 55 for a bit more than a year.. I was able to put about 3,000 miles on that boat performing test sails and travelling to boat shows.

 

I have sold more Amel boats on this side of the Atlantic than everyone else put together and know these boats technically very well.  I say that not for my ego but so you can learn that there is very little you can  ask me about an Amel that I won’t know. Amel’s training was that good and they spent a lot of money every year giving me recurrent training to make sure I knew as much about the boats as they did. I have a lot of very genuine enthusiasm for Amel boats and the people at Amel.

 

The SM 53 was a boat designed by Captain Henri Amel with the capable assistance of Jacques Carteau who was Amel’s right hand man for his entire working life. As you may know, Henri Amel was almost completely blind and Carteau was the one who took Amel’s ideas and put them on paper. The SM 53 was the culmination of everything Henri Amel, a very experienced offshore sailor, had learned. This was the last boat Amel and Carteau created together. The SM 53 is an exceptionally sea kindly boat, probably the best, by a small margin, compared to the Amel 54 and 55. I had several occasions to be at sea when I would have preferred to be anywhere else, and I mean anywhere, in all three boats and the SM 53 is the most predictable, linear and vice less of all three, again by a small but noticeable margin. While the boat has no pretense as a racer, if you have good sails and you know how to use them, the SM 53 performs well in any breeze above about 6 knots and absolutely flies in big breeze. I have been quite secure in wind of 40 knots plus very comfortably rolling off a 220 miles a day, in total control. In adverse seas the boat doesn’t pound much and, again, remains predictable and easy to manage at all times by a competent cruising couple. It is hard to come to grief in any Amel boat if you don’t do anything deliberately stupid. Moving boats to place them in boat shows means restricted schedules because to not show up on time is not an option. Neptune knows this and would usually punish me for past evils with really crappy weather. I never felt anything more than healthy levels of fear when at sea in an Amel.

 

A comfortable liveaboard and the easiest of all three to own and take care of, the only problem today is in finding a good SM 53 that has been well owned and  competently cared for its entire life and not messed up by unwanted or ill-conceived ‘improvements’ .

The youngest one is 14 years old and one bad owner can quickly erase the efforts of several good ones.

 

The Amel 54 was the last boat with complete Amel DNA as it was designed by The Amel Design Group which was composed of all the Amel management, Jacques Carteau, department heads of all the different construction disciplines, the After Sales Service team, of course all of us sales people. This well qualified and knowledgeable group was well led and managed by Jean Jacques Lemonnier who was being groomed to be the next Chairman of Amel. Captain Amel was retired by this time and living down in the south of France.

 

After building 479 SM 53, we knew what folks liked and didn’t like about the 53 and a lot of attention was paid to correcting deficiencies and adding improvements that SM 53 owners said they wanted. These mostly focused on liveability with a better galley with more refrigeration/freezer space, stall showers, and a centerline queen berth in the aft cabin, as well as a forward facing navigation station, two ‘easy chairs’ in the saloon and lots more ports and hatches, all of which were opening ( except the four ‘windows’ in the hull ) which greatly enhanced natural ventilation and brought much more daylight into the boat. The 54 had about 13% more internal volume than the SM 53 and when you consider that volume is a cube, this quite a bit more space. The aft locker easily swallows a 310 hard bottom inflatable to keep it out of sight when you are away from the boat. The boat sails pretty much like a larger SM 53 and is marginally faster in 10 knots of breeze and better. Some SM 53 owners say that they are faster. Nope. More sail area, longer waterline, more powerful/wider sections aft for more powerful reaching.

I have sailed with several 53’s while enjoying my 54 and I always had a bit more turn of speed, especially off the wind. Both boats are comparably stiff and go to weather about the same. There are two quite large poles for the 54’ Amel downwind ballooner system instead of two short ones and two medium ones on the SM 53. These big poles are more difficult to maneuver, especially when they are aluminum instead of lighter carbon fiber. One person can still set the ballooner but it takes a bit more energy and planning. I did not order the poles on my 54 but opted for a code zero and some other off the wind sales which gave me slightly better off the wind performance without the poles and with the boat rolling a lot less with more pressure on the sails.. It was about a wash speed wise with the same arrival time while sailing a slightly longer course. The Amel 54 was designed to have a staysail which greatly  the rigs versatility and adaptability to conditions. The Amel 53 was designed NOT to have a staysail ( really, Captain Amel  was dead set against this ) and if you find one that does, make sure it was installed so the loads for the stay are carried down and into the stem and not terminated on the deck or on the soft mahogany vertical separation/nonstructural bulkhead in the foredeck lockers. This is the advice of Jacques Carteau who should know better than anyone. I have seen this modification done incorrectly on more Amel SM 53’s than ones done the right way. In conclusion, the Amel 54 is a more comfortable boat to live aboard, has a better cockpit and dodger, even more storage space and is still easy for two to manage. Jacques Carteau retired at the end of the development of the Amel 54. Captain Amel passed away about the same time as the last SM 53 was built in 2005, just before the 54 was introduced..

 

The Amel 55 pointed toward the new direction now fully seasoned Chairman Jean Jacques Lemonnier wanted to move the company toward. The overall design was more focused on the type of cruising Mr. Lemonnier liked to do and where he thought the cruising sailboat market was evolving. It was the first Amel where the boat was designed by an outside firm, the well respected firm of Berret-Racoupeau in La Rochelle. Overall, the 55 has a much more modern appearance. The layout and engineering of systems was still done by Amel and the quality of construction was every bit as good as previous Amel boats.. Berret-Racoupeau designs many racer/cruisers and outright racing boats. The hull form of the 55 is more performance oriented than previous Amel boats designed in house. The boat sails better on every point of sail and is faster in the same breeze than any previous Amel sailboat. Like most higher performance sailboats, the hull’s  forefoot is flat to promote surfing. This can cause the boat to pound when in choppy seas or when coming off the tops of breaking waves. The freeboard is taller than previous Amel boats which makes for a very voluminous interior. It also makes the boat much more lively when maneuvering in and about the marina and dockside. The powerful bow thruster was up to task but if I were to order one today, I would get a stern thruster too if a lot of marina and dockside living were in order. Two can still manage the boat but you need to be on your toes and stay ahead of the boat when in tight quarters. The booms are mounted higher on the masts allowing easier movement on deck but raising the center of effort which increases heeling and the rate at which degrees of heel are acquired. Quite different than the 53 and 54. One thing I noted quickly is that the dodger is about as good as it gets for all weather  operation, but you are located much higher off the water than in Amel boats that came before. A lot move movement with a quicker motion at the end of this longer arm. The long term liveability of the 55 is superb and the accommodations have a much more modern look and provide a very comfortable place to spend a lot of time. The galley in the 55 is as close to perfection as my wife and I had ever encountered.

 

In a nutshell, The 53 and 54 are much more similar performance wise than they are different. They feel slightly different under way and the 54 is slightly faster. The 54 is a better live aboard.

The 55 is a whole new class of Amel boat which sacrifices a little bit of sea kindliness for a well enhanced increase in performance.

 

I hope this is helpful and I would be happy to answer any further questions you might have.

 

All The Best, Joel   

 

          JOEL F.. POTTER-CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST~L.L.C.

                                           THE  EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE

                                   Office 954-462-5869  Cell 954-812-2485

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 11:03 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] performance differences

 

 

I intend on buying either a Super Maramu, 54, or 55 in the next 1-2 years. It's easy finding feature differences (length, layouts, etc) or aesthetic differences between the models, but it's been difficult finding information on the relative sailing characteristics of the three hulls. 

 

Can anyone give me commentary on how differently these three boats sail from your experiences? How much difference in light wind performance? Heavy seas? Any other operational or performance differences between them that you think would be relevant in making a choice? 

 

I know the right answer is to get each on the water and test them myself, but given difficulties in finding them nearby, that's not realistic, so there is a good chance I'll have to rely on user feedback to pick a model and then focus my actual on-water tests to the hulls I'm actually intending to purchase. I'm assuming the sailing performance between these three hulls is small enough that it's likely to boil down to how new a boat I'm willing to pay for.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] performance differences

amelforme
 

Thanks Courtney and give Miss Cindy a hug from me. 

JOEL F. POTTER
CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
Office 954-462-5869 

On Feb 6, 2019, at 4:07 PM, Courtney Gorman Itsfun1@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Very well said Joel you are the ultimate Amel man with more knowledge about the boats than just about anyone in the world cheers my friend


On Feb 6, 2019, at 3:44 PM, jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Ken. Here is more than anyone wants to know about the evolution, sailing performance and basic individual qualities of the Amel SM 53, 54, and 55.

 

As background, I was Amel’s sole representative for all North America for more than three decades. During this time, I had several Amel SM 53’s made available to me as demonstration boats for potential purchasers to try based in Fort Lauderdale. I also owned two Amel SM 53’s in my name that I used as demonstration boats during the last five years of SM 53 production. I have more than 40,000 miles at sea in the SM 53.

 

I also owned an Amel 54 and put about 20,000 miles on that boat and a variety of other  54’s travelling to boat shows, bringing them up from the Caribbean for resale and sometimes just to goof off and go sailing with client friends.

 

Amel made available to me in Fort Lauderdale a new Amel 55 for a bit more than a year. I was able to put about 3,000 miles on that boat performing test sails and travelling to boat shows.

 

I have sold more Amel boats on this side of the Atlantic than everyone else put together and know these boats technically very well.  I say that not for my ego but so you can learn that there is very little you can  ask me about an Amel that I won’t know. Amel’s training was that good and they spent a lot of money every year giving me recurrent training to make sure I knew as much about the boats as they did. I have a lot of very genuine enthusiasm for Amel boats and the people at Amel.

 

The SM 53 was a boat designed by Captain Henri Amel with the capable assistance of Jacques Carteau who was Amel’s right hand man for his entire working life. As you may know, Henri Amel was almost completely blind and Carteau was the one who took Amel’s ideas and put them on paper. The SM 53 was the culmination of everything Henri Amel, a very experienced offshore sailor, had learned. This was the last boat Amel and Carteau created together. The SM 53 is an exceptionally sea kindly boat, probably the best, by a small margin, compared to the Amel 54 and 55. I had several occasions to be at sea when I would have preferred to be anywhere else, and I mean anywhere, in all three boats and the SM 53 is the most predictable, linear and vice less of all three, again by a small but noticeable margin. While the boat has no pretense as a racer, if you have good sails and you know how to use them, the SM 53 performs well in any breeze above about 6 knots and absolutely flies in big breeze. I have been quite secure in wind of 40 knots plus very comfortably rolling off a 220 miles a day, in total control. In adverse seas the boat doesn’t pound much and, again, remains predictable and easy to manage at all times by a competent cruising couple. It is hard to come to grief in any Amel boat if you don’t do anything deliberately stupid. Moving boats to place them in boat shows means restricted schedules because to not show up on time is not an option. Neptune knows this and would usually punish me for past evils with really crappy weather. I never felt anything more than healthy levels of fear when at sea in an Amel.

 

A comfortable liveaboard and the easiest of all three to own and take care of, the only problem today is in finding a good SM 53 that has been well owned and  competently cared for its entire life and not messed up by unwanted or ill-conceived ‘improvements’ .

The youngest one is 14 years old and one bad owner can quickly erase the efforts of several good ones.

 

The Amel 54 was the last boat with complete Amel DNA as it was designed by The Amel Design Group which was composed of all the Amel management, Jacques Carteau, department heads of all the different construction disciplines, the After Sales Service team, of course all of us sales people. This well qualified and knowledgeable group was well led and managed by Jean Jacques Lemonnier who was being groomed to be the next Chairman of Amel. Captain Amel was retired by this time and living down in the south of France.

 

After building 479 SM 53, we knew what folks liked and didn’t like about the 53 and a lot of attention was paid to correcting deficiencies and adding improvements that SM 53 owners said they wanted. These mostly focused on liveability with a better galley with more refrigeration/freezer space, stall showers, and a centerline queen berth in the aft cabin, as well as a forward facing navigation station, two ‘easy chairs’ in the saloon and lots more ports and hatches, all of which were opening ( except the four ‘windows’ in the hull ) which greatly enhanced natural ventilation and brought much more daylight into the boat. The 54 had about 13% more internal volume than the SM 53 and when you consider that volume is a cube, this quite a bit more space. The aft locker easily swallows a 310 hard bottom inflatable to keep it out of sight when you are away from the boat. The boat sails pretty much like a larger SM 53 and is marginally faster in 10 knots of breeze and better. Some SM 53 owners say that they are faster. Nope. More sail area, longer waterline, more powerful/wider sections aft for more powerful reaching.

I have sailed with several 53’s while enjoying my 54 and I always had a bit more turn of speed, especially off the wind. Both boats are comparably stiff and go to weather about the same. There are two quite large poles for the 54’ Amel downwind ballooner system instead of two short ones and two medium ones on the SM 53. These big poles are more difficult to maneuver, especially when they are aluminum instead of lighter carbon fiber. One person can still set the ballooner but it takes a bit more energy and planning. I did not order the poles on my 54 but opted for a code zero and some other off the wind sales which gave me slightly better off the wind performance without the poles and with the boat rolling a lot less with more pressure on the sails.. It was about a wash speed wise with the same arrival time while sailing a slightly longer course. The Amel 54 was designed to have a staysail which greatly  the rigs versatility and adaptability to conditions. The Amel 53 was designed NOT to have a staysail ( really, Captain Amel  was dead set against this ) and if you find one that does, make sure it was installed so the loads for the stay are carried down and into the stem and not terminated on the deck or on the soft mahogany vertical separation/nonstructural bulkhead in the foredeck lockers. This is the advice of Jacques Carteau who should know better than anyone. I have seen this modification done incorrectly on more Amel SM 53’s than ones done the right way. In conclusion, the Amel 54 is a more comfortable boat to live aboard, has a better cockpit and dodger, even more storage space and is still easy for two to manage. Jacques Carteau retired at the end of the development of the Amel 54. Captain Amel passed away about the same time as the last SM 53 was built in 2005, just before the 54 was introduced.

 

The Amel 55 pointed toward the new direction now fully seasoned Chairman Jean Jacques Lemonnier wanted to move the company toward. The overall design was more focused on the type of cruising Mr. Lemonnier liked to do and where he thought the cruising sailboat market was evolving. It was the first Amel where the boat was designed by an outside firm, the well respected firm of Berret-Racoupeau in La Rochelle. Overall, the 55 has a much more modern appearance. The layout and engineering of systems was still done by Amel and the quality of construction was every bit as good as previous Amel boats. Berret-Racoupeau designs many racer/cruisers and outright racing boats. The hull form of the 55 is more performance oriented than previous Amel boats designed in house. The boat sails better on every point of sail and is faster in the same breeze than any previous Amel sailboat. Like most higher performance sailboats, the hull’s  forefoot is flat to promote surfing. This can cause the boat to pound when in choppy seas or when coming off the tops of breaking waves. The freeboard is taller than previous Amel boats which makes for a very voluminous interior. It also makes the boat much more lively when maneuvering in and about the marina and dockside. The powerful bow thruster was up to task but if I were to order one today, I would get a stern thruster too if a lot of marina and dockside living were in order. Two can still manage the boat but you need to be on your toes and stay ahead of the boat when in tight quarters. The booms are mounted higher on the masts allowing easier movement on deck but raising the center of effort which increases heeling and the rate at which degrees of heel are acquired. Quite different than the 53 and 54. One thing I noted quickly is that the dodger is about as good as it gets for all weather  operation, but you are located much higher off the water than in Amel boats that came before. A lot move movement with a quicker motion at the end of this longer arm. The long term liveability of the 55 is superb and the accommodations have a much more modern look and provide a very comfortable place to spend a lot of time. The galley in the 55 is as close to perfection as my wife and I had ever encountered.

 

In a nutshell, The 53 and 54 are much more similar performance wise than they are different. They feel slightly different under way and the 54 is slightly faster. The 54 is a better live aboard.

The 55 is a whole new class of Amel boat which sacrifices a little bit of sea kindliness for a well enhanced increase in performance.

 

I hope this is helpful and I would be happy to answer any further questions you might have.

 

All The Best, Joel   

 

          JOEL F. POTTER-CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST~L.L.C.

                                           THE  EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE

                                   Office 954-462-5869  Cell 954-812-2485

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 11:03 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] performance differences

 

 

I intend on buying either a Super Maramu, 54, or 55 in the next 1-2 years. It's easy finding feature differences (length, layouts, etc) or aesthetic differences between the models, but it's been difficult finding information on the relative sailing characteristics of the three hulls. 

 

Can anyone give me commentary on how differently these three boats sail from your experiences? How much difference in light wind performance? Heavy seas? Any other operational or performance differences between them that you think would be relevant in making a choice? 

 

I know the right answer is to get each on the water and test them myself, but given difficulties in finding them nearby, that's not realistic, so there is a good chance I'll have to rely on user feedback to pick a model and then focus my actual on-water tests to the hulls I'm actually intending to purchase. I'm assuming the sailing performance between these three hulls is small enough that it's likely to boil down to how new a boat I'm willing to pay for.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] performance differences

Courtney Gorman
 

Very well said Joel you are the ultimate Amel man with more knowledge about the boats than just about anyone in the world cheers my friend


On Feb 6, 2019, at 3:44 PM, jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Ken. Here is more than anyone wants to know about the evolution, sailing performance and basic individual qualities of the Amel SM 53, 54, and 55.

 

As background, I was Amel’s sole representative for all North America for more than three decades. During this time, I had several Amel SM 53’s made available to me as demonstration boats for potential purchasers to try based in Fort Lauderdale. I also owned two Amel SM 53’s in my name that I used as demonstration boats during the last five years of SM 53 production. I have more than 40,000 miles at sea in the SM 53.

 

I also owned an Amel 54 and put about 20,000 miles on that boat and a variety of other  54’s travelling to boat shows, bringing them up from the Caribbean for resale and sometimes just to goof off and go sailing with client friends.

 

Amel made available to me in Fort Lauderdale a new Amel 55 for a bit more than a year. I was able to put about 3,000 miles on that boat performing test sails and travelling to boat shows.

 

I have sold more Amel boats on this side of the Atlantic than everyone else put together and know these boats technically very well.  I say that not for my ego but so you can learn that there is very little you can  ask me about an Amel that I won’t know. Amel’s training was that good and they spent a lot of money every year giving me recurrent training to make sure I knew as much about the boats as they did. I have a lot of very genuine enthusiasm for Amel boats and the people at Amel.

 

The SM 53 was a boat designed by Captain Henri Amel with the capable assistance of Jacques Carteau who was Amel’s right hand man for his entire working life. As you may know, Henri Amel was almost completely blind and Carteau was the one who took Amel’s ideas and put them on paper. The SM 53 was the culmination of everything Henri Amel, a very experienced offshore sailor, had learned. This was the last boat Amel and Carteau created together. The SM 53 is an exceptionally sea kindly boat, probably the best, by a small margin, compared to the Amel 54 and 55. I had several occasions to be at sea when I would have preferred to be anywhere else, and I mean anywhere, in all three boats and the SM 53 is the most predictable, linear and vice less of all three, again by a small but noticeable margin. While the boat has no pretense as a racer, if you have good sails and you know how to use them, the SM 53 performs well in any breeze above about 6 knots and absolutely flies in big breeze. I have been quite secure in wind of 40 knots plus very comfortably rolling off a 220 miles a day, in total control. In adverse seas the boat doesn’t pound much and, again, remains predictable and easy to manage at all times by a competent cruising couple. It is hard to come to grief in any Amel boat if you don’t do anything deliberately stupid. Moving boats to place them in boat shows means restricted schedules because to not show up on time is not an option. Neptune knows this and would usually punish me for past evils with really crappy weather. I never felt anything more than healthy levels of fear when at sea in an Amel.

 

A comfortable liveaboard and the easiest of all three to own and take care of, the only problem today is in finding a good SM 53 that has been well owned and  competently cared for its entire life and not messed up by unwanted or ill-conceived ‘improvements’ .

The youngest one is 14 years old and one bad owner can quickly erase the efforts of several good ones.

 

The Amel 54 was the last boat with complete Amel DNA as it was designed by The Amel Design Group which was composed of all the Amel management, Jacques Carteau, department heads of all the different construction disciplines, the After Sales Service team, of course all of us sales people. This well qualified and knowledgeable group was well led and managed by Jean Jacques Lemonnier who was being groomed to be the next Chairman of Amel. Captain Amel was retired by this time and living down in the south of France.

 

After building 479 SM 53, we knew what folks liked and didn’t like about the 53 and a lot of attention was paid to correcting deficiencies and adding improvements that SM 53 owners said they wanted. These mostly focused on liveability with a better galley with more refrigeration/freezer space, stall showers, and a centerline queen berth in the aft cabin, as well as a forward facing navigation station, two ‘easy chairs’ in the saloon and lots more ports and hatches, all of which were opening ( except the four ‘windows’ in the hull ) which greatly enhanced natural ventilation and brought much more daylight into the boat. The 54 had about 13% more internal volume than the SM 53 and when you consider that volume is a cube, this quite a bit more space. The aft locker easily swallows a 310 hard bottom inflatable to keep it out of sight when you are away from the boat. The boat sails pretty much like a larger SM 53 and is marginally faster in 10 knots of breeze and better. Some SM 53 owners say that they are faster. Nope. More sail area, longer waterline, more powerful/wider sections aft for more powerful reaching.

I have sailed with several 53’s while enjoying my 54 and I always had a bit more turn of speed, especially off the wind. Both boats are comparably stiff and go to weather about the same. There are two quite large poles for the 54’ Amel downwind ballooner system instead of two short ones and two medium ones on the SM 53. These big poles are more difficult to maneuver, especially when they are aluminum instead of lighter carbon fiber. One person can still set the ballooner but it takes a bit more energy and planning. I did not order the poles on my 54 but opted for a code zero and some other off the wind sales which gave me slightly better off the wind performance without the poles and with the boat rolling a lot less with more pressure on the sails.. It was about a wash speed wise with the same arrival time while sailing a slightly longer course. The Amel 54 was designed to have a staysail which greatly  the rigs versatility and adaptability to conditions. The Amel 53 was designed NOT to have a staysail ( really, Captain Amel  was dead set against this ) and if you find one that does, make sure it was installed so the loads for the stay are carried down and into the stem and not terminated on the deck or on the soft mahogany vertical separation/nonstructural bulkhead in the foredeck lockers. This is the advice of Jacques Carteau who should know better than anyone. I have seen this modification done incorrectly on more Amel SM 53’s than ones done the right way. In conclusion, the Amel 54 is a more comfortable boat to live aboard, has a better cockpit and dodger, even more storage space and is still easy for two to manage. Jacques Carteau retired at the end of the development of the Amel 54. Captain Amel passed away about the same time as the last SM 53 was built in 2005, just before the 54 was introduced.

 

The Amel 55 pointed toward the new direction now fully seasoned Chairman Jean Jacques Lemonnier wanted to move the company toward. The overall design was more focused on the type of cruising Mr. Lemonnier liked to do and where he thought the cruising sailboat market was evolving. It was the first Amel where the boat was designed by an outside firm, the well respected firm of Berret-Racoupeau in La Rochelle. Overall, the 55 has a much more modern appearance. The layout and engineering of systems was still done by Amel and the quality of construction was every bit as good as previous Amel boats. Berret-Racoupeau designs many racer/cruisers and outright racing boats. The hull form of the 55 is more performance oriented than previous Amel boats designed in house. The boat sails better on every point of sail and is faster in the same breeze than any previous Amel sailboat. Like most higher performance sailboats, the hull’s  forefoot is flat to promote surfing. This can cause the boat to pound when in choppy seas or when coming off the tops of breaking waves. The freeboard is taller than previous Amel boats which makes for a very voluminous interior. It also makes the boat much more lively when maneuvering in and about the marina and dockside. The powerful bow thruster was up to task but if I were to order one today, I would get a stern thruster too if a lot of marina and dockside living were in order. Two can still manage the boat but you need to be on your toes and stay ahead of the boat when in tight quarters. The booms are mounted higher on the masts allowing easier movement on deck but raising the center of effort which increases heeling and the rate at which degrees of heel are acquired. Quite different than the 53 and 54. One thing I noted quickly is that the dodger is about as good as it gets for all weather  operation, but you are located much higher off the water than in Amel boats that came before. A lot move movement with a quicker motion at the end of this longer arm. The long term liveability of the 55 is superb and the accommodations have a much more modern look and provide a very comfortable place to spend a lot of time. The galley in the 55 is as close to perfection as my wife and I had ever encountered.

 

In a nutshell, The 53 and 54 are much more similar performance wise than they are different. They feel slightly different under way and the 54 is slightly faster. The 54 is a better live aboard.

The 55 is a whole new class of Amel boat which sacrifices a little bit of sea kindliness for a well enhanced increase in performance.

 

I hope this is helpful and I would be happy to answer any further questions you might have.

 

All The Best, Joel   

 

          JOEL F. POTTER-CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST~L.L.C.

                                           THE  EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE

                                   Office 954-462-5869  Cell 954-812-2485

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 11:03 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] performance differences

 

 

I intend on buying either a Super Maramu, 54, or 55 in the next 1-2 years. It's easy finding feature differences (length, layouts, etc) or aesthetic differences between the models, but it's been difficult finding information on the relative sailing characteristics of the three hulls. 

 

Can anyone give me commentary on how differently these three boats sail from your experiences? How much difference in light wind performance? Heavy seas? Any other operational or performance differences between them that you think would be relevant in making a choice? 

 

I know the right answer is to get each on the water and test them myself, but given difficulties in finding them nearby, that's not realistic, so there is a good chance I'll have to rely on user feedback to pick a model and then focus my actual on-water tests to the hulls I'm actually intending to purchase. I'm assuming the sailing performance between these three hulls is small enough that it's likely to boil down to how new a boat I'm willing to pay for.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] performance differences

Julie Bradley <redjuliebradley@...>
 

Joel!!  Great to hear from you.   I am so glad you popped up on this forum!!  To any newer Amel folks who hasn't met Joel, we bought both of our Amels through Joel, who brought Amel to the attention of America through his great full page articles.  Joel is he is the only broker we have ever known who works incredibly hard to make a deal happen.  Our first Amel was used, and we almost walked away from the deal because of minor flaws which were easily corrected.  Joel invested time and patience to educate us while keeping the deal in play with the seller.    Please check out my new book Escape from the Ordinary.  Lots of excitement leaving the Amel factory - the boat figures prominently in parts.    Joel, you are not in the book but should have been!!   Hugs,  Glen and Julie Bradley, Escape from the Ordinary (can't put a link because that violates the promotion rule but if you haven't read it I will send a signed copy to you and Vela in Fort Lauderdale) 


On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 1:46 PM jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello Ken. Here is more than anyone wants to know about the evolution, sailing performance and basic individual qualities of the Amel SM 53, 54, and 55.

 

As background, I was Amel’s sole representative for all North America for more than three decades. During this time, I had several Amel SM 53’s made available to me as demonstration boats for potential purchasers to try based in Fort Lauderdale. I also owned two Amel SM 53’s in my name that I used as demonstration boats during the last five years of SM 53 production. I have more than 40,000 miles at sea in the SM 53.

 

I also owned an Amel 54 and put about 20,000 miles on that boat and a variety of other  54’s travelling to boat shows, bringing them up from the Caribbean for resale and sometimes just to goof off and go sailing with client friends.

 

Amel made available to me in Fort Lauderdale a new Amel 55 for a bit more than a year. I was able to put about 3,000 miles on that boat performing test sails and travelling to boat shows.

 

I have sold more Amel boats on this side of the Atlantic than everyone else put together and know these boats technically very well.  I say that not for my ego but so you can learn that there is very little you can  ask me about an Amel that I won’t know. Amel’s training was that good and they spent a lot of money every year giving me recurrent training to make sure I knew as much about the boats as they did. I have a lot of very genuine enthusiasm for Amel boats and the people at Amel.

 

The SM 53 was a boat designed by Captain Henri Amel with the capable assistance of Jacques Carteau who was Amel’s right hand man for his entire working life. As you may know, Henri Amel was almost completely blind and Carteau was the one who took Amel’s ideas and put them on paper. The SM 53 was the culmination of everything Henri Amel, a very experienced offshore sailor, had learned. This was the last boat Amel and Carteau created together. The SM 53 is an exceptionally sea kindly boat, probably the best, by a small margin, compared to the Amel 54 and 55. I had several occasions to be at sea when I would have preferred to be anywhere else, and I mean anywhere, in all three boats and the SM 53 is the most predictable, linear and vice less of all three, again by a small but noticeable margin. While the boat has no pretense as a racer, if you have good sails and you know how to use them, the SM 53 performs well in any breeze above about 6 knots and absolutely flies in big breeze. I have been quite secure in wind of 40 knots plus very comfortably rolling off a 220 miles a day, in total control. In adverse seas the boat doesn’t pound much and, again, remains predictable and easy to manage at all times by a competent cruising couple. It is hard to come to grief in any Amel boat if you don’t do anything deliberately stupid. Moving boats to place them in boat shows means restricted schedules because to not show up on time is not an option. Neptune knows this and would usually punish me for past evils with really crappy weather. I never felt anything more than healthy levels of fear when at sea in an Amel.

 

A comfortable liveaboard and the easiest of all three to own and take care of, the only problem today is in finding a good SM 53 that has been well owned and  competently cared for its entire life and not messed up by unwanted or ill-conceived ‘improvements’ .

The youngest one is 14 years old and one bad owner can quickly erase the efforts of several good ones.

 

The Amel 54 was the last boat with complete Amel DNA as it was designed by The Amel Design Group which was composed of all the Amel management, Jacques Carteau, department heads of all the different construction disciplines, the After Sales Service team, of course all of us sales people. This well qualified and knowledgeable group was well led and managed by Jean Jacques Lemonnier who was being groomed to be the next Chairman of Amel. Captain Amel was retired by this time and living down in the south of France.

 

After building 479 SM 53, we knew what folks liked and didn’t like about the 53 and a lot of attention was paid to correcting deficiencies and adding improvements that SM 53 owners said they wanted. These mostly focused on liveability with a better galley with more refrigeration/freezer space, stall showers, and a centerline queen berth in the aft cabin, as well as a forward facing navigation station, two ‘easy chairs’ in the saloon and lots more ports and hatches, all of which were opening ( except the four ‘windows’ in the hull ) which greatly enhanced natural ventilation and brought much more daylight into the boat. The 54 had about 13% more internal volume than the SM 53 and when you consider that volume is a cube, this quite a bit more space. The aft locker easily swallows a 310 hard bottom inflatable to keep it out of sight when you are away from the boat. The boat sails pretty much like a larger SM 53 and is marginally faster in 10 knots of breeze and better. Some SM 53 owners say that they are faster. Nope. More sail area, longer waterline, more powerful/wider sections aft for more powerful reaching.

I have sailed with several 53’s while enjoying my 54 and I always had a bit more turn of speed, especially off the wind. Both boats are comparably stiff and go to weather about the same. There are two quite large poles for the 54’ Amel downwind ballooner system instead of two short ones and two medium ones on the SM 53. These big poles are more difficult to maneuver, especially when they are aluminum instead of lighter carbon fiber. One person can still set the ballooner but it takes a bit more energy and planning. I did not order the poles on my 54 but opted for a code zero and some other off the wind sales which gave me slightly better off the wind performance without the poles and with the boat rolling a lot less with more pressure on the sails.. It was about a wash speed wise with the same arrival time while sailing a slightly longer course. The Amel 54 was designed to have a staysail which greatly  the rigs versatility and adaptability to conditions. The Amel 53 was designed NOT to have a staysail ( really, Captain Amel  was dead set against this ) and if you find one that does, make sure it was installed so the loads for the stay are carried down and into the stem and not terminated on the deck or on the soft mahogany vertical separation/nonstructural bulkhead in the foredeck lockers. This is the advice of Jacques Carteau who should know better than anyone. I have seen this modification done incorrectly on more Amel SM 53’s than ones done the right way. In conclusion, the Amel 54 is a more comfortable boat to live aboard, has a better cockpit and dodger, even more storage space and is still easy for two to manage. Jacques Carteau retired at the end of the development of the Amel 54. Captain Amel passed away about the same time as the last SM 53 was built in 2005, just before the 54 was introduced.

 

The Amel 55 pointed toward the new direction now fully seasoned Chairman Jean Jacques Lemonnier wanted to move the company toward. The overall design was more focused on the type of cruising Mr. Lemonnier liked to do and where he thought the cruising sailboat market was evolving. It was the first Amel where the boat was designed by an outside firm, the well respected firm of Berret-Racoupeau in La Rochelle. Overall, the 55 has a much more modern appearance. The layout and engineering of systems was still done by Amel and the quality of construction was every bit as good as previous Amel boats. Berret-Racoupeau designs many racer/cruisers and outright racing boats. The hull form of the 55 is more performance oriented than previous Amel boats designed in house. The boat sails better on every point of sail and is faster in the same breeze than any previous Amel sailboat. Like most higher performance sailboats, the hull’s  forefoot is flat to promote surfing. This can cause the boat to pound when in choppy seas or when coming off the tops of breaking waves. The freeboard is taller than previous Amel boats which makes for a very voluminous interior. It also makes the boat much more lively when maneuvering in and about the marina and dockside. The powerful bow thruster was up to task but if I were to order one today, I would get a stern thruster too if a lot of marina and dockside living were in order. Two can still manage the boat but you need to be on your toes and stay ahead of the boat when in tight quarters. The booms are mounted higher on the masts allowing easier movement on deck but raising the center of effort which increases heeling and the rate at which degrees of heel are acquired. Quite different than the 53 and 54. One thing I noted quickly is that the dodger is about as good as it gets for all weather  operation, but you are located much higher off the water than in Amel boats that came before. A lot move movement with a quicker motion at the end of this longer arm. The long term liveability of the 55 is superb and the accommodations have a much more modern look and provide a very comfortable place to spend a lot of time. The galley in the 55 is as close to perfection as my wife and I had ever encountered.

 

In a nutshell, The 53 and 54 are much more similar performance wise than they are different. They feel slightly different under way and the 54 is slightly faster. The 54 is a better live aboard.

The 55 is a whole new class of Amel boat which sacrifices a little bit of sea kindliness for a well enhanced increase in performance.

 

I hope this is helpful and I would be happy to answer any further questions you might have.

 

All The Best, Joel   

 

          JOEL F. POTTER-CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST~L.L.C.

                                           THE  EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE

                                   Office 954-462-5869  Cell 954-812-2485

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 11:03 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] performance differences

 

 

I intend on buying either a Super Maramu, 54, or 55 in the next 1-2 years. It's easy finding feature differences (length, layouts, etc) or aesthetic differences between the models, but it's been difficult finding information on the relative sailing characteristics of the three hulls. 

 

Can anyone give me commentary on how differently these three boats sail from your experiences? How much difference in light wind performance? Heavy seas? Any other operational or performance differences between them that you think would be relevant in making a choice? 

 

I know the right answer is to get each on the water and test them myself, but given difficulties in finding them nearby, that's not realistic, so there is a good chance I'll have to rely on user feedback to pick a model and then focus my actual on-water tests to the hulls I'm actually intending to purchase. I'm assuming the sailing performance between these three hulls is small enough that it's likely to boil down to how new a boat I'm willing to pay for.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Painting boat S of Hurricane belt

 

Since you didn't specify who you were asking, I will answer: Awlgrip desert sand is what I used on BeBe 387. It is the color of the 55.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970
My calendar: 
https://theamelschool.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html

On Wed, Feb 6, 2019, 1:41 PM svplanb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

What was the color of Awlgrip that you used on the hull above the waterline?


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] performance differences

amelforme
 

Hello Ken. Here is more than anyone wants to know about the evolution, sailing performance and basic individual qualities of the Amel SM 53, 54, and 55.

 

As background, I was Amel’s sole representative for all North America for more than three decades. During this time, I had several Amel SM 53’s made available to me as demonstration boats for potential purchasers to try based in Fort Lauderdale. I also owned two Amel SM 53’s in my name that I used as demonstration boats during the last five years of SM 53 production. I have more than 40,000 miles at sea in the SM 53.

 

I also owned an Amel 54 and put about 20,000 miles on that boat and a variety of other  54’s travelling to boat shows, bringing them up from the Caribbean for resale and sometimes just to goof off and go sailing with client friends.

 

Amel made available to me in Fort Lauderdale a new Amel 55 for a bit more than a year. I was able to put about 3,000 miles on that boat performing test sails and travelling to boat shows.

 

I have sold more Amel boats on this side of the Atlantic than everyone else put together and know these boats technically very well.  I say that not for my ego but so you can learn that there is very little you can  ask me about an Amel that I won’t know. Amel’s training was that good and they spent a lot of money every year giving me recurrent training to make sure I knew as much about the boats as they did. I have a lot of very genuine enthusiasm for Amel boats and the people at Amel.

 

The SM 53 was a boat designed by Captain Henri Amel with the capable assistance of Jacques Carteau who was Amel’s right hand man for his entire working life. As you may know, Henri Amel was almost completely blind and Carteau was the one who took Amel’s ideas and put them on paper. The SM 53 was the culmination of everything Henri Amel, a very experienced offshore sailor, had learned. This was the last boat Amel and Carteau created together. The SM 53 is an exceptionally sea kindly boat, probably the best, by a small margin, compared to the Amel 54 and 55. I had several occasions to be at sea when I would have preferred to be anywhere else, and I mean anywhere, in all three boats and the SM 53 is the most predictable, linear and vice less of all three, again by a small but noticeable margin. While the boat has no pretense as a racer, if you have good sails and you know how to use them, the SM 53 performs well in any breeze above about 6 knots and absolutely flies in big breeze. I have been quite secure in wind of 40 knots plus very comfortably rolling off a 220 miles a day, in total control. In adverse seas the boat doesn’t pound much and, again, remains predictable and easy to manage at all times by a competent cruising couple. It is hard to come to grief in any Amel boat if you don’t do anything deliberately stupid. Moving boats to place them in boat shows means restricted schedules because to not show up on time is not an option. Neptune knows this and would usually punish me for past evils with really crappy weather. I never felt anything more than healthy levels of fear when at sea in an Amel.

 

A comfortable liveaboard and the easiest of all three to own and take care of, the only problem today is in finding a good SM 53 that has been well owned and  competently cared for its entire life and not messed up by unwanted or ill-conceived ‘improvements’ .

The youngest one is 14 years old and one bad owner can quickly erase the efforts of several good ones.

 

The Amel 54 was the last boat with complete Amel DNA as it was designed by The Amel Design Group which was composed of all the Amel management, Jacques Carteau, department heads of all the different construction disciplines, the After Sales Service team, of course all of us sales people. This well qualified and knowledgeable group was well led and managed by Jean Jacques Lemonnier who was being groomed to be the next Chairman of Amel. Captain Amel was retired by this time and living down in the south of France.

 

After building 479 SM 53, we knew what folks liked and didn’t like about the 53 and a lot of attention was paid to correcting deficiencies and adding improvements that SM 53 owners said they wanted. These mostly focused on liveability with a better galley with more refrigeration/freezer space, stall showers, and a centerline queen berth in the aft cabin, as well as a forward facing navigation station, two ‘easy chairs’ in the saloon and lots more ports and hatches, all of which were opening ( except the four ‘windows’ in the hull ) which greatly enhanced natural ventilation and brought much more daylight into the boat. The 54 had about 13% more internal volume than the SM 53 and when you consider that volume is a cube, this quite a bit more space. The aft locker easily swallows a 310 hard bottom inflatable to keep it out of sight when you are away from the boat. The boat sails pretty much like a larger SM 53 and is marginally faster in 10 knots of breeze and better. Some SM 53 owners say that they are faster. Nope. More sail area, longer waterline, more powerful/wider sections aft for more powerful reaching.

I have sailed with several 53’s while enjoying my 54 and I always had a bit more turn of speed, especially off the wind. Both boats are comparably stiff and go to weather about the same. There are two quite large poles for the 54’ Amel downwind ballooner system instead of two short ones and two medium ones on the SM 53. These big poles are more difficult to maneuver, especially when they are aluminum instead of lighter carbon fiber. One person can still set the ballooner but it takes a bit more energy and planning. I did not order the poles on my 54 but opted for a code zero and some other off the wind sales which gave me slightly better off the wind performance without the poles and with the boat rolling a lot less with more pressure on the sails. It was about a wash speed wise with the same arrival time while sailing a slightly longer course. The Amel 54 was designed to have a staysail which greatly  the rigs versatility and adaptability to conditions. The Amel 53 was designed NOT to have a staysail ( really, Captain Amel  was dead set against this ) and if you find one that does, make sure it was installed so the loads for the stay are carried down and into the stem and not terminated on the deck or on the soft mahogany vertical separation/nonstructural bulkhead in the foredeck lockers. This is the advice of Jacques Carteau who should know better than anyone. I have seen this modification done incorrectly on more Amel SM 53’s than ones done the right way. In conclusion, the Amel 54 is a more comfortable boat to live aboard, has a better cockpit and dodger, even more storage space and is still easy for two to manage. Jacques Carteau retired at the end of the development of the Amel 54. Captain Amel passed away about the same time as the last SM 53 was built in 2005, just before the 54 was introduced.

 

The Amel 55 pointed toward the new direction now fully seasoned Chairman Jean Jacques Lemonnier wanted to move the company toward. The overall design was more focused on the type of cruising Mr. Lemonnier liked to do and where he thought the cruising sailboat market was evolving. It was the first Amel where the boat was designed by an outside firm, the well respected firm of Berret-Racoupeau in La Rochelle. Overall, the 55 has a much more modern appearance. The layout and engineering of systems was still done by Amel and the quality of construction was every bit as good as previous Amel boats. Berret-Racoupeau designs many racer/cruisers and outright racing boats. The hull form of the 55 is more performance oriented than previous Amel boats designed in house. The boat sails better on every point of sail and is faster in the same breeze than any previous Amel sailboat. Like most higher performance sailboats, the hull’s  forefoot is flat to promote surfing. This can cause the boat to pound when in choppy seas or when coming off the tops of breaking waves. The freeboard is taller than previous Amel boats which makes for a very voluminous interior. It also makes the boat much more lively when maneuvering in and about the marina and dockside. The powerful bow thruster was up to task but if I were to order one today, I would get a stern thruster too if a lot of marina and dockside living were in order. Two can still manage the boat but you need to be on your toes and stay ahead of the boat when in tight quarters. The booms are mounted higher on the masts allowing easier movement on deck but raising the center of effort which increases heeling and the rate at which degrees of heel are acquired. Quite different than the 53 and 54. One thing I noted quickly is that the dodger is about as good as it gets for all weather  operation, but you are located much higher off the water than in Amel boats that came before. A lot move movement with a quicker motion at the end of this longer arm. The long term liveability of the 55 is superb and the accommodations have a much more modern look and provide a very comfortable place to spend a lot of time. The galley in the 55 is as close to perfection as my wife and I had ever encountered.

 

In a nutshell, The 53 and 54 are much more similar performance wise than they are different. They feel slightly different under way and the 54 is slightly faster. The 54 is a better live aboard.

The 55 is a whole new class of Amel boat which sacrifices a little bit of sea kindliness for a well enhanced increase in performance.

 

I hope this is helpful and I would be happy to answer any further questions you might have.

 

All The Best, Joel   

 

          JOEL F. POTTER-CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST~L.L.C.

                                           THE  EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE

                                   Office 954-462-5869  Cell 954-812-2485

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 11:03 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] performance differences

 

 

I intend on buying either a Super Maramu, 54, or 55 in the next 1-2 years. It's easy finding feature differences (length, layouts, etc) or aesthetic differences between the models, but it's been difficult finding information on the relative sailing characteristics of the three hulls. 

 

Can anyone give me commentary on how differently these three boats sail from your experiences? How much difference in light wind performance? Heavy seas? Any other operational or performance differences between them that you think would be relevant in making a choice? 

 

I know the right answer is to get each on the water and test them myself, but given difficulties in finding them nearby, that's not realistic, so there is a good chance I'll have to rely on user feedback to pick a model and then focus my actual on-water tests to the hulls I'm actually intending to purchase. I'm assuming the sailing performance between these three hulls is small enough that it's likely to boil down to how new a boat I'm willing to pay for.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Painting boat S of Hurricane belt

Mark Erdos
 

Bill,

 

Is the Awlgrip (Desert Sand) a match to the deck color?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 4:57 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Painting boat S of Hurricane belt

 

 

Since you didn't specify who you were asking, I will answer: Awlgrip desert sand is what I used on BeBe 387. It is the color of the 55.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970
My calendar: 
https://theamelschool.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html

 

On Wed, Feb 6, 2019, 1:41 PM svplanb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:

 

What was the color of Awlgrip that you used on the hull above the waterline?


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Painting boat S of Hurricane belt

Arlo
 

What was the color of Awlgrip that you used on the hull above the waterline?


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gas struts for fridge/freezer lid and engine hatch

Barry Connor
 

Yes, please send them to me, I always have trouble finding things in the files.


Best
Barry


On Feb 6, 2019, at 17:03, jmkraus jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Barry, if you are changing the furler mechanization, you have access to the stem fitting. It's easy to remove. Bill Rouse put a bunch of photos of the new fitting in the files section of the site. I'd be happy to send them directly to you and help you with the project. I had a buddy male .e a new one here in ny and another machine shop in Mayaguez trim it to fit. Let me know. Regards, jeff


Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S7.

-------- Original message --------
From: "Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 2/6/19 11:49 AM (GMT-04:00)
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gas struts for fridge/freezer lid and engine hatch

 

Hi Jeff,

Yes, mine is also 6.5mm without the twist. (Just kidding, I feel for you). I remember looking at yours and I immediately checked mine. My boat has been across the pond and back before I bought. Just been around the Med since. I have thought about this and will be very conscious of the pressure on this from now. The replacement furlong systems all have space for a 20mm stem. I just had discussions at the Dusseldorf show with Profurl about this and the answer was to bush out my 6.5mm stem with spacers to upgrade to Profurl and Barmar. AMEL are using Profurl on the new 50 and soon to be released 60. Both of these are now going to be sloops. No more ketch rigs from AMEL. No more 55’s.  No more C-Drive keel propellers either. They both will have a through hull shaft drive.
Regarding the struts. I just spoke to a UK company StrutsDirect, very helpful. Replacement for the galley fridge strut -
 “F-SD02-150” E2. Eye Ends. About £20 but shipping to Sicily is £60. I might get it delivered to friend in UK.

Regards

Barry and Penny
“Lady Penelope II”
AMEL 54. #17
Marina di Ragusa. Sicily


On Feb 6, 2019, at 16:21, jmkraus jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

It is the fitting protruding thru the deck which the headsail furler mechanization is attached to. It is a vertical stainless fitting with a 3/4 inch pin that secures the bae of the furler mechanization. Mine was 6.5mm amel "modified" the fitting to 20mm soon after #14, my hull#. 



Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S7.

-------- Original message --------
From: "Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 2/6/19 11:11 AM (GMT-04:00)
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gas struts for fridge/freezer lid and engine hatch

 

Hi Jeff,


Sorry, I don’t understand your question about the ‘stem’ fitting. Is this on the bow for the furler?

Barry


On Feb 6, 2019, at 15:54, JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Barry,
I was able to get the strut in Martinique at the refrigeration specialist's store. He had a selection of them. Perhaps you could find one at a similar refrigeration outlet locally.

On a separate subject, I see you are 54 #17. I wonder if your stem fitting is the thin 6.5mm version that my 54 #14 had, or if it was built with the "modified" 20mm fitting that Amel installed in later versions. Could you let me know? I'd like to pin down when the change to the 20mm stem fitting begins.
Thanks.
Best Regards,
Jeff Spirit Amel 54 #14


On Wed, Feb 06, 2019 at 09:46 AM, Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

I am wanting to replace the gas strut for the lift up lid on the galley fridge/freezer.

The original unit does not have a maker name - brand name printed on the strut. On the strut and the same for the lift up hatch for the engine compartment is a symbol of what looks like 3 sails in 3 squares.

Does anyone have information on where to get the correct struts. The pressure on the fridge strut is 300N and the overall length is 410mm.

Much appreciate any assistance.

Regards

Barry and Penny
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54. #17
Marina di Ragusa   Sicily


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gas struts for fridge/freezer lid and engine hatch

JEFFREY KRAUS
 

Barry, if you are changing the furler mechanization, you have access to the stem fitting. It's easy to remove. Bill Rouse put a bunch of photos of the new fitting in the files section of the site. I'd be happy to send them directly to you and help you with the project. I had a buddy male .e a new one here in ny and another machine shop in Mayaguez trim it to fit. Let me know. Regards, jeff


Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S7.

-------- Original message --------
From: "Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 2/6/19 11:49 AM (GMT-04:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gas struts for fridge/freezer lid and engine hatch

 

Hi Jeff,

Yes, mine is also 6.5mm without the twist. (Just kidding, I feel for you). I remember looking at yours and I immediately checked mine. My boat has been across the pond and back before I bought. Just been around the Med since. I have thought about this and will be very conscious of the pressure on this from now. The replacement furlong systems all have space for a 20mm stem. I just had discussions at the Dusseldorf show with Profurl about this and the answer was to bush out my 6.5mm stem with spacers to upgrade to Profurl and Barmar. AMEL are using Profurl on the new 50 and soon to be released 60. Both of these are now going to be sloops. No more ketch rigs from AMEL. No more 55’s.  No more C-Drive keel propellers either. They both will have a through hull shaft drive.
Regarding the struts. I just spoke to a UK company StrutsDirect, very helpful. Replacement for the galley fridge strut -
 “F-SD02-150” E2. Eye Ends. About £20 but shipping to Sicily is £60. I might get it delivered to friend in UK.

Regards

Barry and Penny
“Lady Penelope II”
AMEL 54. #17
Marina di Ragusa. Sicily


On Feb 6, 2019, at 16:21, jmkraus jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

It is the fitting protruding thru the deck which the headsail furler mechanization is attached to. It is a vertical stainless fitting with a 3/4 inch pin that secures the bae of the furler mechanization. Mine was 6.5mm amel "modified" the fitting to 20mm soon after #14, my hull#. 



Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S7.

-------- Original message --------
From: "Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 2/6/19 11:11 AM (GMT-04:00)
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gas struts for fridge/freezer lid and engine hatch

 

Hi Jeff,


Sorry, I don’t understand your question about the ‘stem’ fitting. Is this on the bow for the furler?

Barry


On Feb 6, 2019, at 15:54, JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Barry,
I was able to get the strut in Martinique at the refrigeration specialist's store. He had a selection of them. Perhaps you could find one at a similar refrigeration outlet locally.

On a separate subject, I see you are 54 #17. I wonder if your stem fitting is the thin 6.5mm version that my 54 #14 had, or if it was built with the "modified" 20mm fitting that Amel installed in later versions. Could you let me know? I'd like to pin down when the change to the 20mm stem fitting begins.
Thanks.
Best Regards,
Jeff Spirit Amel 54 #14


On Wed, Feb 06, 2019 at 09:46 AM, Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

I am wanting to replace the gas strut for the lift up lid on the galley fridge/freezer.

The original unit does not have a maker name - brand name printed on the strut. On the strut and the same for the lift up hatch for the engine compartment is a symbol of what looks like 3 sails in 3 squares.

Does anyone have information on where to get the correct struts. The pressure on the fridge strut is 300N and the overall length is 410mm.

Much appreciate any assistance.

Regards

Barry and Penny
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54. #17
Marina di Ragusa   Sicily


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gas struts for fridge/freezer lid and engine hatch

Barry Connor
 

Hi Jeff,
Yes, mine is also 6.5mm without the twist. (Just kidding, I feel for you). I remember looking at yours and I immediately checked mine. My boat has been across the pond and back before I bought. Just been around the Med since. I have thought about this and will be very conscious of the pressure on this from now. The replacement furlong systems all have space for a 20mm stem. I just had discussions at the Dusseldorf show with Profurl about this and the answer was to bush out my 6.5mm stem with spacers to upgrade to Profurl and Barmar. AMEL are using Profurl on the new 50 and soon to be released 60. Both of these are now going to be sloops. No more ketch rigs from AMEL. No more 55’s.  No more C-Drive keel propellers either. They both will have a through hull shaft drive.
Regarding the struts. I just spoke to a UK company StrutsDirect, very helpful. Replacement for the galley fridge strut -
 “F-SD02-150” E2. Eye Ends. About £20 but shipping to Sicily is £60. I might get it delivered to friend in UK.

Regards

Barry and Penny
“Lady Penelope II”
AMEL 54. #17
Marina di Ragusa. Sicily


On Feb 6, 2019, at 16:21, jmkraus jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

It is the fitting protruding thru the deck which the headsail furler mechanization is attached to. It is a vertical stainless fitting with a 3/4 inch pin that secures the bae of the furler mechanization. Mine was 6.5mm amel "modified" the fitting to 20mm soon after #14, my hull#. 



Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S7.

-------- Original message --------
From: "Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 2/6/19 11:11 AM (GMT-04:00)
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gas struts for fridge/freezer lid and engine hatch

 

Hi Jeff,


Sorry, I don’t understand your question about the ‘stem’ fitting. Is this on the bow for the furler?

Barry


On Feb 6, 2019, at 15:54, JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Barry,
I was able to get the strut in Martinique at the refrigeration specialist's store. He had a selection of them. Perhaps you could find one at a similar refrigeration outlet locally.

On a separate subject, I see you are 54 #17. I wonder if your stem fitting is the thin 6.5mm version that my 54 #14 had, or if it was built with the "modified" 20mm fitting that Amel installed in later versions. Could you let me know? I'd like to pin down when the change to the 20mm stem fitting begins.
Thanks.
Best Regards,
Jeff Spirit Amel 54 #14


On Wed, Feb 06, 2019 at 09:46 AM, Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

I am wanting to replace the gas strut for the lift up lid on the galley fridge/freezer.

The original unit does not have a maker name - brand name printed on the strut. On the strut and the same for the lift up hatch for the engine compartment is a symbol of what looks like 3 sails in 3 squares.

Does anyone have information on where to get the correct struts. The pressure on the fridge strut is 300N and the overall length is 410mm.

Much appreciate any assistance.

Regards

Barry and Penny
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54. #17
Marina di Ragusa   Sicily


Re: AGM battery equalisation

greatketch@...
 

Paul,

I won't comment on the West Marine brand specifically, but MOST AGM batteries can not be safely equalized.

But... you are likely being mislead by your instruments.  Your battery meter measures the [Amps into the battery] and [Amps out] multiplies by an [efficiency factor] and subtracts to calculate [Amps used], and then divides by the size of the battery bank that was entered when it was setup.  Very small errors in this calculation can add up over time to cause the meter to miss report the state of charge. There is no way this kind of meter will actually measure a decline in capacity of the batteries, in its calculation it ALWAYS uses the battery capacity that was initially entered into its memory.

Best thing to do is to fully charge the batteries. Plug in to shore power and run the battery charger overnight at least, if that is possible. Then reset the meter to read 100% charge.  Your only real way to measure the capacity of the batteries is to draw them down, and watch the voltage drop.  If the voltage is lower than it used to be when the meter reports a "50%" state of charge, then that reflects a decline in capacity.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Georgetown, Great Exuma Is., Bahamas


---In amelyachtowners@..., <sharongbrown@...> wrote :

Hi all,

I have what seems to be a charging issue with my West Marine AGM92 batteries. They do not seem to be accepting a charge past about 75% capacity. They are 4.5 years old. Am I correct in that these batteries can be equalised? Would this solve the problem? If so would anyone know for how long equalisation should be carried out for and at wht voltage?

Cheers,
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gas struts for fridge/freezer lid and engine hatch

JEFFREY KRAUS
 

It is the fitting protruding thru the deck which the headsail furler mechanization is attached to. It is a vertical stainless fitting with a 3/4 inch pin that secures the bae of the furler mechanization. Mine was 6.5mm amel "modified" the fitting to 20mm soon after #14, my hull#. 



Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S7.

-------- Original message --------
From: "Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 2/6/19 11:11 AM (GMT-04:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gas struts for fridge/freezer lid and engine hatch

 

Hi Jeff,


Sorry, I don’t understand your question about the ‘stem’ fitting. Is this on the bow for the furler?

Barry


On Feb 6, 2019, at 15:54, JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Barry,
I was able to get the strut in Martinique at the refrigeration specialist's store. He had a selection of them. Perhaps you could find one at a similar refrigeration outlet locally.

On a separate subject, I see you are 54 #17. I wonder if your stem fitting is the thin 6.5mm version that my 54 #14 had, or if it was built with the "modified" 20mm fitting that Amel installed in later versions. Could you let me know? I'd like to pin down when the change to the 20mm stem fitting begins.
Thanks.
Best Regards,
Jeff Spirit Amel 54 #14


On Wed, Feb 06, 2019 at 09:46 AM, Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

I am wanting to replace the gas strut for the lift up lid on the galley fridge/freezer.

The original unit does not have a maker name - brand name printed on the strut. On the strut and the same for the lift up hatch for the engine compartment is a symbol of what looks like 3 sails in 3 squares.

Does anyone have information on where to get the correct struts. The pressure on the fridge strut is 300N and the overall length is 410mm.

Much appreciate any assistance.

Regards

Barry and Penny
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54. #17
Marina di Ragusa   Sicily


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gas struts for fridge/freezer lid and engine hatch

Barry Connor
 

Hi Jeff,

Sorry, I don’t understand your question about the ‘stem’ fitting. Is this on the bow for the furler?

Barry


On Feb 6, 2019, at 15:54, JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Barry,
I was able to get the strut in Martinique at the refrigeration specialist's store. He had a selection of them. Perhaps you could find one at a similar refrigeration outlet locally.

On a separate subject, I see you are 54 #17. I wonder if your stem fitting is the thin 6.5mm version that my 54 #14 had, or if it was built with the "modified" 20mm fitting that Amel installed in later versions. Could you let me know? I'd like to pin down when the change to the 20mm stem fitting begins.
Thanks.
Best Regards,
Jeff Spirit Amel 54 #14


On Wed, Feb 06, 2019 at 09:46 AM, Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

I am wanting to replace the gas strut for the lift up lid on the galley fridge/freezer.

The original unit does not have a maker name - brand name printed on the strut. On the strut and the same for the lift up hatch for the engine compartment is a symbol of what looks like 3 sails in 3 squares.

Does anyone have information on where to get the correct struts. The pressure on the fridge strut is 300N and the overall length is 410mm.

Much appreciate any assistance.

Regards

Barry and Penny
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54. #17
Marina di Ragusa   Sicily


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gas struts for fridge/freezer lid and engine hatch

JEFFREY KRAUS
 


Gas struts for fridge/freezer lid and engine hatch

Barry Connor
 

I am wanting to replace the gas strut for the lift up lid on the galley fridge/freezer.

The original unit does not have a maker name - brand name printed on the strut. On the strut and the same for the lift up hatch for the engine compartment is a symbol of what looks like 3 sails in 3 squares.

Does anyone have information on where to get the correct struts. The pressure on the fridge strut is 300N and the overall length is 410mm.

Much appreciate any assistance.

Regards

Barry and Penny
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54. #17
Marina di Ragusa   Sicily


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] hemple antifouling paint

tony wells
 

Hemple (self polishing) is popular at my marina chandler yesterday - Cleopatra, Preveza, Greece. At €126 per 2.5 litres it is as popular as Micron 350 (€132 per 2.5 litre) (which I’m told is the new generation to ‘EU’ and the tin was noticeably heavier than a tin of old ‘EU’ they had in stock. Copper content!?)

Tony Wells
New owner of A54 #102 Catriona R (to be renamed Balthazar, it’s original name) and an Amel School client
Preveza, Ionian, Greece

On 6 Feb 2019, at 14:46, Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Jeff

I learned of Hemple when we were in Cartagena in 2006. What I learned then was that Hemple is a Spanish manufacturer of antifouling. It is used commercially and on pleasure boats. They had two types, ablative and hard. In the hard antifouling line they had an antifouling for power boats that would go 20kts and they had a line for slower boats. I do not remember any of the product names. I used the hard type antifouling for slower boats to touch up some of the Micron 66. We painted it over a small area that had been scraped, and since we had a gallon we painted the keel and ballast, skeg and rudder. It performed as good as the Micron 66. As I remember it, I believe it cost more than I had paid for Micron 66 in St Martin, but that may have been because of Colombia duty.

All of the above said, my experience with Hemple was long enough ago to be completely invalid today.

Best,

Bill Rouse
Amel School  
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 5:26 AM jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Good morning Amelians!

Anyone try this stuff.

Apparently it's used quite regularly in Puerto Rico. I'm hauled at present, and need to roll out some antifouling before I launch in a couple weeks. I have micron 66 on her now. 

Hauling every 2 years.

Thanks!

Spirit Amel 54 #14 hauled out in Ponce PR


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] hemple antifouling paint

 

Jeff,

Just be careful that they are not offering the Hemple product for fast powerboats...they have a lot of those in PR.

Best,

Bill Rouse
Amel School  
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 8:10 AM JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill,
I'll check on the "type" that they are offering, but I've been told that it is comparable to, and actually better then, micron 66, and it is cheaper. Perhaps the manufacturing in Spain allows for it to be produced more reasonably then in the US, with more stringent manufacturing guidelines and so on.
Thanks for the info.
Best Regards,
Jeff
 


On Wed, Feb 06, 2019 at 07:46 AM, Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Jeff

I learned of Hemple when we were in Cartagena in 2006. What I learned then was that Hemple is a Spanish manufacturer of antifouling. It is used commercially and on pleasure boats. They had two types, ablative and hard. In the hard antifouling line they had an antifouling for power boats that would go 20kts and they had a line for slower boats. I do not remember any of the product names. I used the hard type antifouling for slower boats to touch up some of the Micron 66. We painted it over a small area that had been scraped, and since we had a gallon we painted the keel and ballast, skeg and rudder. It performed as good as the Micron 66. As I remember it, I believe it cost more than I had paid for Micron 66 in St Martin, but that may have been because of Colombia duty.

All of the above said, my experience with Hemple was long enough ago to be completely invalid today.

Best,

Bill Rouse
Amel School  
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

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On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 5:26 AM jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Good morning Amelians!

Anyone try this stuff.

Apparently it's used quite regularly in Puerto Rico. I'm hauled at present, and need to roll out some antifouling before I launch in a couple weeks. I have micron 66 on her now. 

Hauling every 2 years.

Thanks!

Spirit Amel 54 #14 hauled out in Ponce PR


AGM battery equalisation

ya_fohi
 

Hi all,

I have what seems to be a charging issue with my West Marine AGM92 batteries. They do not seem to be accepting a charge past about 75% capacity. They are 4.5 years old. Am I correct in that these batteries can be equalised? Would this solve the problem? If so would anyone know for how long equalisation should be carried out for and at wht voltage?

Cheers,
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


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