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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge Continuous Running

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi. Is there water coming out of the discharge pipe. If not is there water in the sump up to the level of float switch activation. If no to the first and yes to the second your problem is the pump is not priming and of course then the float switch is activating the pump. This can be caused by a leak in the suction pipe, a faulty valve or a valve with something caught in it, or a hole in the diaphragm. ( in order of probability) As to the switches.  If you put it on manual it will run regardless until you switch it off manual. On auto the float switch controls on and off.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

 

On 07 July 2018 at 16:41 "mgarver@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

I tried searching for this, but couldn’t find the answer. My wife and I just returned to our boat and today I noticed that the bilge is running non-stop. I went to the engine room and noticed that the bilge switch appears to be turned on, but am unsure if I turn it to the lower position if I am turning off the auto-bilge or not. When I turn the switch off, obviously the bilge ceases to run, but not sure if it will kick in if water builds up again. Question is if turned to the botttom position, does that turn off the bilge pump including automatic?


THanks,


Mark

 


 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] engine cruising RPM

rossirossix4
 

Hi Mark,
Regarding "Running a lower RPMs without load will shorten the life of the engine unless it is pushed up at least once per hour for about 5 minutes. This is outlinede in the Yanmar operation manual."

This is not to challenge the veracity of your statement but I cannot find that in my Yanmar manual. Maybe you have a different manual and it would be helpful (really) to have you quote what it says. 

What my 4JH3-HTE Operation Manual says (on page 30 section 4.6) is: 

"When operating the engine at low speed ffor long periods of time, race the engine once every 2 hours"..."Racing the Engine, Morse Remote Control Handle Pull out the handle lever...and shift the engine speed from high to low several times...Racing the engine removes carbon built up in the compustion chamber around the fuel injection valve.  Neglecting to race tthe engine will cause the exhaust to turn black and lower the efficiency of the engine".

In other words it says to gun the engine several times while it is in neutral.

Like others, we vary my speed between 1600 and 2200 for cruising and can cruise up to 2400 rpm.  We also run it at say 2800 for 5 minutes or so periodically.  However, I cannot find where Yanmar recommends this.  There are postings in this group (not yours) that say to run it full out for 5 minutes, even full out fo 30 minutes but I don't think that is advisable. Seems that vibration is higher and it might be hard on the transmission and c drive as well.  Like most of us we vary the speed and run it harder at times but we also do the "Racing" procedure that is in our manual.

Bob and Suzanne, KAIMI #429
La Maddalena, Sardegna

 


Re: engine cruising RPM

Ian Park
 

Ryan and Kelly,
Again I think there is no answer. It depends on the length of the voyage to the next opportunity to fill the tank, and this must take into account sea conditions and wind strength and direction.

We are just finishing the final leg from Antigua to UK and had unusual conditions all the way. From flat calms to 25 knots on the nose. We stopped in Horta. On both legs we had to nurse the fuel. We have a Santorin - 400 litres plus an extra 40 in cans.
We dipped the tank every 24 hours and recorded our miles per litre at, engine revs and sailing conditions. The results show that you cannot give a set figure for cruising consumption. What I am getting is a good feel for what I can expect from the engine in the conditions I am in.

E.G. In a flat sea, f2 sailing 2.8 knots, 1500 revs used 1.3l per hour and put the boat up to 5.2 knots. Do the math on how far you can travel.
Then do the same again as conditions change and build up a profile.

We had the flattest, calmest conditions getting no to Horta, Azores and ended up with 160 litres left because we carefully managed the fuel and got a good breeze for the last few days.

We are 80 miles from home now, down to 60 litres with light wind on the nose, but we know now that we can ‘hit the gas’.

All our figures are recorded in the back of the log book. It was a good lesson we learnt on the way across.

Good sailing.

Ian and Lind

Ocean Hobo SN96


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge Continuous Running

Mark Garver
 

Jean-Pierre,

Thanks! You and I both have older SM’s and the only manual I could find is for SM2000 which does not help much with the earlier ones!

Mark


On Jul 7, 2018, at 2:13 AM, Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

OK.  If the switch is down,  the pump should not run as the float ball/switch is at the bottom of the travel.


The pump starts when the float ball/switch reaches the top of its stroke.

Also, on the left side in the cabinet above the galley, you will find the Manual/AUTO switch referred to in my original reply.

Cheers,

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM009
Tahiti

On 6 Jul 2018, at 19:25, Mark Garver mgarver@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

The switch is in the engine compartment on the forward bulkhead. 


Boat Name: S/V It’s Good
Super Maramu
Number 105
Built 1993


On Jul 7, 2018, at 1:14 AM, Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Mark,


Let’s start at the beginning.  

Is the switch located in the cabinet containing the autopilot above the galley sinks?

Also, please include the boat name, type and hull number.

Cheers,



On 6 Jul 2018, at 19:11, Mark Garver mgarver@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Jean-Pierre,


Thanks. Is manual in the up position? As my switch is not labeled that I can see anyway.

Best,
Mark


On Jul 7, 2018, at 1:09 AM, Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Mark,


On my boat, the function is labeled AUTO or Manual.

In MANUAL, the pump operates full time.  In AUTO, the level switch activates the pump and empties the “sewer” until the  level reaches a predetermined position.

Good luck,

Jean-Pierre Germain,
SY Eleuthera, SM 007, Tahiti.

On 6 Jul 2018, at 18:41, mgarver@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


I tried searching for this, but couldn’t find the answer. My wife and I just returned to our boat and today I noticed that the bilge is running non-stop. I went to the engine room and noticed that the bilge switch appears to be turned on, but am unsure if I turn it to the lower position if I am turning off the auto-bilge or not. When I turn the switch off, obviously the bilge ceases to run, but not sure if it will kick in if water builds up again. Question is if turned to the botttom position, does that turn off the bilge pump including automatic?


THanks,


Mark










Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge Continuous Running

Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air <jgermain@...>
 

OK.  If the switch is down,  the pump should not run as the float ball/switch is at the bottom of the travel.

The pump starts when the float ball/switch reaches the top of its stroke.

Also, on the left side in the cabinet above the galley, you will find the Manual/AUTO switch referred to in my original reply.

Cheers,

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM009
Tahiti

On 6 Jul 2018, at 19:25, Mark Garver mgarver@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

The switch is in the engine compartment on the forward bulkhead. 


Boat Name: S/V It’s Good
Super Maramu
Number 105
Built 1993


On Jul 7, 2018, at 1:14 AM, Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Mark,


Let’s start at the beginning.  

Is the switch located in the cabinet containing the autopilot above the galley sinks?

Also, please include the boat name, type and hull number.

Cheers,



On 6 Jul 2018, at 19:11, Mark Garver mgarver@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Jean-Pierre,


Thanks. Is manual in the up position? As my switch is not labeled that I can see anyway.

Best,
Mark


On Jul 7, 2018, at 1:09 AM, Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Mark,


On my boat, the function is labeled AUTO or Manual.

In MANUAL, the pump operates full time.  In AUTO, the level switch activates the pump and empties the “sewer” until the  level reaches a predetermined position.

Good luck,

Jean-Pierre Germain,
SY Eleuthera, SM 007, Tahiti.

On 6 Jul 2018, at 18:41, mgarver@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


I tried searching for this, but couldn’t find the answer. My wife and I just returned to our boat and today I noticed that the bilge is running non-stop. I went to the engine room and noticed that the bilge switch appears to be turned on, but am unsure if I turn it to the lower position if I am turning off the auto-bilge or not. When I turn the switch off, obviously the bilge ceases to run, but not sure if it will kick in if water builds up again. Question is if turned to the botttom position, does that turn off the bilge pump including automatic?


THanks,


Mark










Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge Continuous Running

Mark Garver
 

The switch is in the engine compartment on the forward bulkhead. 

Boat Name: S/V It’s Good
Super Maramu
Number 105
Built 1993


On Jul 7, 2018, at 1:14 AM, Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Mark,


Let’s start at the beginning.  

Is the switch located in the cabinet containing the autopilot above the galley sinks?

Also, please include the boat name, type and hull number.

Cheers,



On 6 Jul 2018, at 19:11, Mark Garver mgarver@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Jean-Pierre,


Thanks. Is manual in the up position? As my switch is not labeled that I can see anyway.

Best,
Mark


On Jul 7, 2018, at 1:09 AM, Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Mark,


On my boat, the function is labeled AUTO or Manual.

In MANUAL, the pump operates full time.  In AUTO, the level switch activates the pump and empties the “sewer” until the  level reaches a predetermined position.

Good luck,

Jean-Pierre Germain,
SY Eleuthera, SM 007, Tahiti.

On 6 Jul 2018, at 18:41, mgarver@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


I tried searching for this, but couldn’t find the answer. My wife and I just returned to our boat and today I noticed that the bilge is running non-stop. I went to the engine room and noticed that the bilge switch appears to be turned on, but am unsure if I turn it to the lower position if I am turning off the auto-bilge or not. When I turn the switch off, obviously the bilge ceases to run, but not sure if it will kick in if water builds up again. Question is if turned to the botttom position, does that turn off the bilge pump including automatic?


THanks,


Mark







Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge Continuous Running

Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air <jgermain@...>
 

Hi Mark,

Let’s start at the beginning.  

Is the switch located in the cabinet containing the autopilot above the galley sinks?

Also, please include the boat name, type and hull number.

Cheers,



On 6 Jul 2018, at 19:11, Mark Garver mgarver@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Jean-Pierre,


Thanks. Is manual in the up position? As my switch is not labeled that I can see anyway.

Best,
Mark


On Jul 7, 2018, at 1:09 AM, Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Mark,


On my boat, the function is labeled AUTO or Manual.

In MANUAL, the pump operates full time.  In AUTO, the level switch activates the pump and empties the “sewer” until the  level reaches a predetermined position.

Good luck,

Jean-Pierre Germain,
SY Eleuthera, SM 007, Tahiti.

On 6 Jul 2018, at 18:41, mgarver@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


I tried searching for this, but couldn’t find the answer. My wife and I just returned to our boat and today I noticed that the bilge is running non-stop. I went to the engine room and noticed that the bilge switch appears to be turned on, but am unsure if I turn it to the lower position if I am turning off the auto-bilge or not. When I turn the switch off, obviously the bilge ceases to run, but not sure if it will kick in if water builds up again. Question is if turned to the botttom position, does that turn off the bilge pump including automatic?


THanks,


Mark







Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge Continuous Running

Mark Garver
 

Jean-Pierre,

Thanks. Is manual in the up position? As my switch is not labeled that I can see anyway.

Best,
Mark


On Jul 7, 2018, at 1:09 AM, Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Mark,


On my boat, the function is labeled AUTO or Manual.

In MANUAL, the pump operates full time.  In AUTO, the level switch activates the pump and empties the “sewer” until the  level reaches a predetermined position.

Good luck,

Jean-Pierre Germain,
SY Eleuthera, SM 007, Tahiti.

On 6 Jul 2018, at 18:41, mgarver@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


I tried searching for this, but couldn’t find the answer. My wife and I just returned to our boat and today I noticed that the bilge is running non-stop. I went to the engine room and noticed that the bilge switch appears to be turned on, but am unsure if I turn it to the lower position if I am turning off the auto-bilge or not. When I turn the switch off, obviously the bilge ceases to run, but not sure if it will kick in if water builds up again. Question is if turned to the botttom position, does that turn off the bilge pump including automatic?


THanks,


Mark




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge Continuous Running

Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air <jgermain@...>
 

Hi Mark,

On my boat, the function is labeled AUTO or Manual.

In MANUAL, the pump operates full time.  In AUTO, the level switch activates the pump and empties the “sewer” until the  level reaches a predetermined position.

Good luck,

Jean-Pierre Germain,
SY Eleuthera, SM 007, Tahiti.

On 6 Jul 2018, at 18:41, mgarver@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


I tried searching for this, but couldn’t find the answer. My wife and I just returned to our boat and today I noticed that the bilge is running non-stop. I went to the engine room and noticed that the bilge switch appears to be turned on, but am unsure if I turn it to the lower position if I am turning off the auto-bilge or not. When I turn the switch off, obviously the bilge ceases to run, but not sure if it will kick in if water builds up again. Question is if turned to the botttom position, does that turn off the bilge pump including automatic?


THanks,


Mark




Bilge Continuous Running

Mark Garver
 

I tried searching for this, but couldn’t find the answer. My wife and I just returned to our boat and today I noticed that the bilge is running non-stop. I went to the engine room and noticed that the bilge switch appears to be turned on, but am unsure if I turn it to the lower position if I am turning off the auto-bilge or not. When I turn the switch off, obviously the bilge ceases to run, but not sure if it will kick in if water builds up again. Question is if turned to the botttom position, does that turn off the bilge pump including automatic?


THanks,


Mark


Re: Onan Water Pump

Alan Leslie
 

I replaced the original Onan pump with the Sherwood some years ago.
It has a one piece casting instead of a detachable end plate.
I thought its construction may help to extend the life of the impeller.
At that time I also changed to run dry globe impellers....they didn't make any difference...the impellers where still failing at around 170 hours.
But at the last change I put in a standard impeller and it's up to 240 hours now!
Is that just luck? I don't know...I don't think anyone else does either !
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Onan Water Pump

 

Yes

Like I said, the bearing in the rebuild kit is pressed ON & OFF with a hydraulic press.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Fri, Jul 6, 2018, 18:36 sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill R.,


Thank for your post.  I actually had a rebuild kit on board (memory is an occasional thing for me these days it seems) and though easi-peasi, just rebuild the pump!  But it will take a shop to get this one apart.

I agree with you, another pump is the way to go.

Duane


Re: Onan Water Pump

Duane Siegfri
 

Mark,

You're absolutely right, the Sherwood pump is the G702.  It looks exactly like the one on the engine and some on-line sellers list the Onan part number with the Sherwood part number.

Thanks!
Duane


Re: Onan Water Pump

Duane Siegfri
 

Bill R.,

Thank for your post.  I actually had a rebuild kit on board (memory is an occasional thing for me these days it seems) and though easi-peasi, just rebuild the pump!  But it will take a shop to get this one apart.

I agree with you, another pump is the way to go.

Duane


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Onan Water Pump

 

Duane,

I looked at your illustration. When water exits where you illustrated, the internal seal is leaking  and the pump has to be rebuilt. I had 2 water pumps and switched them when the impeller timetable called for a new impeller. I also had the rebuild kit for this pump, but never rebuilt it. I believe the bearing is pressed on with a hydraulic press. Hence, the reason that I had two pumps.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

Any opinions and conclusions expressed in this message are solely those of the author and should not be construed as representing the opinion of an expert. Manufacturers' and Expert's precautions must be taken when dealing with mechanical and/or electrical systems to ensure that you are NOT harmed, and/or the device and/or system is NOT ruined. If in doubt, do not touch any referred to mechanical and/or electrical device or system.




On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 1:42 PM sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill,



Is there anything complex about rebuilding the pump?  It looks like I would order parts 4 thru 12 and a simple matter of replacements.  

Can the shaft (part 1) be removed without worrying about orientation?  Would you also replace the Body (part 3)?

The local West Marine rep told me I'd probably have to go to Annapolis for the parts, since you're in Annapolis any suggestions?  I'm now in Lewes, DE on our way to Marthas V ineyard and Cape Cod.

Thanks for your replies!
Duane
Wanderer, SM#477
Currently in Lewes, DE
 


Re: Drawer/cupboard pulls

Miles
 

I would be very interested in getting 4 or 5.

 

Miles

 

s/y Ladybug, sm 216, Newport, RI


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] engine cruising RPM

Mark Erdos
 

Barry,

 

Rather than just trash another member’s post, perhaps you could support your argument with some cold hard facts. After all, this isn’t FaceBook.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Curacao

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, July 6, 2018 5:41 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] engine cruising RPM

 

 

I would not do what Pat suggests, that’s rubbish.

 

Kind regards

Barry & Robyn

Tradwinds III SM 171

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Kind Regards
Barry Ferguson

Email: seagasm@...
Mobile/cell: +61 477 652 046
PO Box 1339
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] engine cruising RPM

Patrick McAneny
 

Barry, " Rubbish" , that was a bit harsh, all I suggested was to run it at a rpm that sounded good,in other words not laboring too hard, and then once in awhile run it a little harder to blow out carbon deposits. Sounds like what you do. Go back to bed mate, and get up on the other side.
Pat
SM #123


-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Ferguson seagasm@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Fri, Jul 6, 2018 5:40 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] engine cruising RPM

 
I would not do what Pat suggests, that’s rubbish.

Kind regards
Barry & Robyn
Tradwinds III SM 171
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Kind Regards
Barry Ferguson

Email: seagasm@...
Mobile/cell: +61 477 652 046
PO Box 1339
Hervey Bay Qld 4655
Australia


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] engine cruising RPM

seagasm
 

I would not do what Pat suggests, that’s rubbish.

Kind regards
Barry & Robyn
Tradwinds III SM 171
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Kind Regards
Barry Ferguson

Email: seagasm@...
Mobile/cell: +61 477 652 046
PO Box 1339
Hervey Bay Qld 4655
Australia


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] engine cruising RPM

Patrick McAneny
 

Ryan , I have a Volvo TMD22A ,I also have a fixed prop for now,soon going to purchase a feathering prop, and I max out at 3100 rpm @ 8.3 kts., 2200 sounds good and gets me 6.5 kts. However max rpm on this engine is 4500 and I have been wrestling with how I should pitch my new prop. The prop manufacturers believe I should be able to attain 4500, otherwise I am leaving HP. on the table. But 80% of that would be 3600 RPM and I don't want to run the engine at those rpms all day, fuel/noise and wear. Your in one of those gray areas ,where there is no correct or incorrect answer. Take her up until you hear a sweet spot and run her there ,then once in awhile take her up to a full gallop. 
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Meador ryan.d.meador@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Fri, Jul 6, 2018 2:36 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] engine cruising RPM

 
Hi all,

I've dug through the forum history on the topic of the "correct" RPM range for the Super Maramu, and I haven't quite found what I want.  What I have learned is there probably is no single, correct answer -- it depends on the engine and the prop.  But what I really want to know is not what RPM I should be seeing at wide open throttle, but what RPM I should be cruising at?  By this I mean the RPM you would use if you needed to motor for a long period of time.  If the max RPM is different for everyone, it stands to reason that cruising RPM should also be different for everyone.  Is there some way of calculating this RPM from the max?  I've heard a rule of thumb of 80% of max RPM, but given that some of our engines are "over-propped" by design, I don't know if it applies, or even if it's a good rule in the first place.  Should we rev to whatever is necessary to go a certain speed?  Is there any harm in operating the engine close to/at wide open throttle for extended periods of time?

For the record, I have a Volvo TMD22 (B?)..  I typically cruise at around 2400rpm, which yields a boat speed of about 6.5kts.  I have a fixed three-blade prop (probably the original spare).  I think the boat went faster at this RPM last year when I first bought her, but that could be me misremembering the RPM, or the tachometer going out of calibration, or the fact that I badly need a bottom job (though I had it scraped only a couple weeks ago).  I do not know my max RPM; my engine needs a new timing belt and I don't think it's prudent to stress it until that is replaced.  The fastest I've gone is about 2600 and I'm sure it can go higher.  I saw around 7.2kts STW at that speed.

Thanks,
Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA