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Re: Main Sail Furler

Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL
 

Thanks Pat for the info and thanks Duane for the great pictures you posted - really helpful ! 

I just tackled mine and have a couple of updates: There's a third Oil Seal that's on the Winch handle gear shaft after you remove the plastic housing. It is 30-40-6.  Also the top oil seal on the pictures is mislabled as 58-46-7.  It is actually the 60-45-7 that Pat notes below (usually labeled Shaft Diameter-Bore Dia-Width, or 45-60-7).

Btw, the seals should be easily sourced from a myriad of manufacturers like SKF, NOK etc., unless you're really in the boonies.

Cheers, Craig SN68


---In amelyachtowners@..., <sailw32@...> wrote :

For some time in heavy air while furling the main , the motor did not seem strong enough. I now believe it may have been that the furler had a bearing that was near seizing . Last fall the main would not roll out , assuming it was the motor , I used a winch handle  and the it would not budge , eventually I broke it free and sailed on. At the end of the season I dismantled the gearbox and found the tapered bearing was completely seized. So if you think your furler is a littlle slow/weak , you may want to have a look inside. Duane posted some pics that were helpful . It took me longer to find the seals than the bearings, so I thought I would post the bearing and seal info and sources.

Bearings: Source , Motion Industries - Tapered bearing item # 32009xm-90kmi   , Bore 45mm, OD. 75mm, Width 20mm , Manufacturer Timken

Ball Bearing , item # 9105k Bore 25mm, OD. 47mm, Width 12mm  Manufacturer Fafnir 

Oil Seals : Source , Metric Seals Inc. 45mmX60mmX7mm    25mmX33mm X6mm  

You will need one each of bearings and seals

Pat

SM Shenanigans

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel logo

Ryan Meador
 

A JPEG will not scale cleanly -- you'll get pixilation and other distortion.  You want to use a vector format, especially since whatever CNC machine the sail shop is likely going to use to cut the design out of fabric probably takes a vector format as input.  A human designer might have to re-design it by hand if you send them a JPEG.  If Photoshop format doesn't work for you, SVG should.  I've been meaning to convert the PSD to SVG and upload it, but I haven't had time.  There is a free program called Inkscape that I believe can do the conversion, if anyone wants to try it.

Thanks,
Ryan
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA


On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 12:54 PM, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill Kinney helpfully posted an Amel Vector Logo file in photoshop format.  I don't have photoshop software so coverted it to .jpg format and posted it, too. The original file Bill posted had an underline as the first character so you'll have to scroll way down in the files section to find it, or just search for "logo".

Craig SN68

-----Original Message-----
From: greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Mar 19, 2018 1:17 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel logo
 Pat (or anyone else interested)

If it would help, I have a vector graphic file of the Amel Logo that should be way easier for someone to work with than a photo.

Bill Kinney
SM#160, Harmonie
Moraine Cay, Abacos, Bahamas


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster spinning

ya_fohi
 

Joel,

Thanks.On further investigation I may have answered my own question. It looks like the flexible coupling is accessable from inside the boat. I'd still be interested in any advice in how best to go about changing it.

Cheers,
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster spinning

amelforme
 

Hi Paul. Previously a client and now a friend, Mark on CREAMPUFF might not have noticed that you have an Amel 54 and not a Super Maramu 53. The bow thrusters on these boats are entirely different from one another and I do not believe there is a tool for the 54 that allows one to remove the propeller leg while in the water. My SM 53 had this tool and I made use of it on more than one occasion. My 54 didn’t have a water service tool or mention of this in the manual as far as I can remember. Anyone out there with an Amel 54, please feel free to correct me if I am in error. Wouldn’t be the only time…

 

All The Best, Joel

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2018 12:15 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster spinning

 

 

Hi all,

My sidepower bowthruster has lost the linkage to the props and just spins. According to the manual a probable cause could be rope getting sucked in which causes the "flexible coupling" to break. My question is: is it possible to check this, and even replace it, with the boat in the water?

Thabnks,
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

Re: Amel logo

Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL
 

Bill Kinney helpfully posted an Amel Vector Logo file in photoshop format.  I don't have photoshop software so coverted it to .jpg format and posted it, too. The original file Bill posted had an underline as the first character so you'll have to scroll way down in the files section to find it, or just search for "logo".
Craig SN68

-----Original Message-----
From: greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Mon, Mar 19, 2018 1:17 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel logo
 Pat (or anyone else interested)

If it would help, I have a vector graphic file of the Amel Logo that should be way easier for someone to work with than a photo.

Bill Kinney
SM#160, Harmonie
Moraine Cay, Abacos, Bahamas

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster spinning

Mark Erdos
 

Yes it is possible to remove the assembly while in the water using the special Amel tool – there is a file on this in the FILES section written by Gary Silver and Bill Rouse

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Guadeloupe

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2018 12:15 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster spinning

 

 

Hi all,

My sidepower bowthruster has lost the linkage to the props and just spins. According to the manual a probable cause could be rope getting sucked in which causes the "flexible coupling" to break. My question is: is it possible to check this, and even replace it, with the boat in the water?

Thabnks,
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

Bowthruster spinning

ya_fohi
 

Hi all,

My sidepower bowthruster has lost the linkage to the props and just spins. According to the manual a probable cause could be rope getting sucked in which causes the "flexible coupling" to break. My question is: is it possible to check this, and even replace it, with the boat in the water?

Thabnks,
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


Upper furler bearings, Nirvana Mast

James Alton
 

Hello,

   The upper furler bearings for my Genoa,  Main and Mizzen seem a little stiff.  I washed them out with warm soapy water which helped but they still feel a bit too stiff to me.  Can anyone tell me what bearings are used in these furlers?  Any advice on servicing these units would also be appreciated.


Thanks,

James


SV Sueño

Maramu #220  (1987)

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: St Martin

Courtney Gorman
 

Hi Porter
I am heading to Martinique on Saturday I'm in Marin on the fuel dock Look me up if you have a chance
Courtney
Trippin'
Marin


-----Original Message-----
From: Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Thu, Mar 22, 2018 7:46 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: St Martin

 
David!  
Hello. We’re over in the IWW Marina. Provisioning and deciding on new sails. 
Looks like you’re wearing out your Visa card!!
Went to FKG yesterday. Looks like a serious outfit!!

What wind gen are you thinking?  

Please stop by if you’re  around. 
We leave probably sat or Sunday for Martinique and a haulout Tuesday. 

What are your Sailing plans after the refit?
Good to hear from you

Porter

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Mar 21, 2018, at 4:01 PM, dbv_au@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Hi Porter, 

Where are you?  We are in anchored the lagoon, Dutch side, awaiting our standing rigging, which we are doing with FKG.  Plus a host of other projects kicking in while the masts will be off (wind gen on mizzen, VHF & AIS aerials,  N2K wind sensors, cabling, new A/P, and so on).

Cheers,

David
Perigee, SM#396

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Bowthruster unit - cost and in-stock?

islandpearl2_sm2k332
 

Thank you everyone for helpful comments.

Just to close this post off, we can report that Amel have been extremely helpful to us. They did not have any SM53 bowthruster units in stock, but given our urgency, started manufacturing a new one for us immediately. We will have it in 2 weeks at a cost of 3500 euro excl freight to Maldives.

I must say, after 6 or so years of ownership, Amel continues to impress me with their quality, responsiveness and service! Incredible.

Colin
Amel 53 #332, Maldives now, and soon sailing on across the Sth Indian Ocean


On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 1:12 AM, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Colin,


   With respect to just sealing the hole in a secure fashion with easily available materials.  I would probably remove the rest of the damaged shaft and use two pcs. of 3/4” plywood (1” if you can find it or laminate as needed),  one pc. inside and one outside with a good sized bolt passing through the center of both pcs.  If you have some large  washers it will help spread out the load needed to compress a gasket (neoprene wet suit type rubber should work) or you might be able to use caulking.  I would prefer the gasket since additional compression could be applied by tightening the bolt if needed.  I would put some caulking around the bolt shaft where it passes through the pc. of plywood on the outside of the hull but the wood will swell some and seal this part pretty well if the hole is a snug fit for the bolt.  This will of course leave the hull cutout exposed which will cause some drag but at least you could be sure that there would not be any leakage.  You should be able to install this temporary seal with the boat still in the water and it could be removed without any major cleanup to reinstall the bow thruster.

Best of luck,

James
SV Sueño
Maramu #220


On Mar 19, 2018, at 10:01 AM, Sailing Island Pearl colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Hi Eric

Thank you for your kind advice.

I have since been in touch with both Amel, and Alexandre.'

What a helpful forum this always is!

Best regards

Colin

On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 7:52 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@optonline.net [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Colin,

I would somehow get the thruster area out of the water and glass it over.

I would then put some expanding foam in the thruster cavity.

Finally I would silicone and screw some sort of cover at the top of the 

thruster trunk.

 

I had to replace my bow thruster due to a lightning strike which blew the propeller off of the bow thruster assembly.

 

It was probably 8 years ago.

 

I received the thruster from Amel  in 2 pieces the entire thruster assembly and a v shaped piece of fiberglass that had to be trimmed and fiber glassed to the bow thruster assembly which created the hull portion of the bow thruster.

 

Were you able to recover the bow thruster? You might contact Alexandre in Sint Maarten and ask if he can salvage the bow thruster from Nikimat and ship it to you. You will probably have to replace the bearings an gears. Knowing Alexandre, he might even have a new set of bearings..

 

I believe you might have a long wait for a new bow thruster from Amel. That is why I suggest making a semi-permanent closure of the bow thruster area.

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 4:23 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Bowthruster unit - cost and in-stock?

 

  

Hi sorry to hear of your troubles but as you rightly say it could have been much worse. 

 

I reckon that when pounding to windward there will be considerable pressure put on the seals with no plate there to take the impact. Going to windward in open ocean is not much fun at the best of times but with a niggling worry or a steady stream of water pouring in it could easily get out of hand. So you should do something. I made a similar passage in the 1990’s and Cap D’hombre on the north tip of Madagascar permanently blows at gale force. The southern Indian Ocean is a windy place, the trades tend to crank so even broad reaching the bow area will take a damn good hammering at times.

 

I would consider;

 

fitting a block of rubber/wood into the hole with silicon. The problem with wood is that it will swell and be difficult to extract.

filling the cavity with closed cell expanding foam.

How about, fitting plastic sheet to isolate the hole and then use expanding foam to fill the whole cavity, then cut it to shape and glass over the whole aperture area with epoxy and fibre glass. Then when you next haul out just grind it off  and pick out the foam and fit the new thruster, fill and prime and paint. You would need to get the bow out of the water to do the work. Perhaps going aground alongside somewhere and letting the tide drop a couple of feet to expose the area. 

 

I am sure that with a bit of lateral thinking you could blank off the aperture such that you would not need to worry about water ingress. Just make sure that you can extract and clean up what ever you do when you are ready to replace the thruster.

 

The above solution would be more watertight than the original!

 

You could also look at doing something on the inside but ………

 

 

 

Nick 

Amelia #54

On 19 Mar 2018, at 06:17, colin.d.streeter@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:

 

 

This morning we accidentally nudged a reef here in Maldives. Fortunately we were only doiing 2.5kts so no hull damage, but in getting off we sheered the bowthruster unit completely off! By this I mean it snapped at the base of the shaft where the shaft gear meets the rotary gear.

 

I dived and we fortunately have absolutely no damage, other than needing a full new Bowthruster unit from the shaft top down - ie just the removable unit. Just some paint scratches at bottom of keel which are no problem.

 

All in all, we were fortunate to be going slowly, and to get off quickly as the tide was dropping, or we would be high and dry right now, with real potential for hull damage as the water dropped and the boat rested on the rocks.

 

I am waiting to get in touch with Maud at Amel when they open today, however have two quick questions for the group in the interim:

 

1) Anyone know what the bowthruster unit costs new and if Amel have them in stock?

 

2) We just have the shaft in the water, no cover plate as that is sheered off.. In current flat water at 3 - 7kts boat speed tested, we have no water coming in through the bowthruster unit at all. Has anyone had experience sailing without the cover plate in big seas? Did you take on water?

 

Having departed from Australia almost a year ago, and enjoyed cruising all of Indonesia and SE Asia with absolute trouble free cruising in this boat, we are now half way across the North Indian Ocean, and next about to cross the Southern Indian Ocean, so have every chance of big wild seas ahead. From here in the Maldives we head to Chagos next mid April till mid May, then head south to Rodriguez (June), Mauritius (July), then Reunion (July/Aug), and back up and around the top of Madagascar (NosyB - Aug/Sept) and down to Cape Town.

 

Our current intentions are to return to Male, the capital of Maldives, to h ave a new bowthruster shipped here from Amel. Depending on how long that may take Amel, and the levels of import duty in the various Indian Ocean countries,  we may need to attempt the balance of Indian Ocean crossing without it, but that worries me a lot.



This is the reason I seek the wisdom of this group, from those of you who know best, and possibly even some who may have even experienced the same issue of cruising on without the bowthruster foot and cover plate in place?

 

Many thanks

 

Colin Streeter

SV Island Pearl II, Amel 53 #332

svislandpearl.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

 





-- 
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445





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Colin Streeter
0411 016 445

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: St Martin

Porter McRoberts
 

David!  
Hello. We’re over in the IWW Marina. Provisioning and deciding on new sails. 
Looks like you’re wearing out your Visa card!!
Went to FKG yesterday. Looks like a serious outfit!!

What wind gen are you thinking?  

Please stop by if you’re  around. 
We leave probably sat or Sunday for Martinique and a haulout Tuesday. 

What are your Sailing plans after the refit?
Good to hear from you

Porter

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Mar 21, 2018, at 4:01 PM, dbv_au@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Porter, 

Where are you?  We are in anchored the lagoon, Dutch side, awaiting our standing rigging, which we are doing with FKG.  Plus a host of other projects kicking in while the masts will be off (wind gen on mizzen, VHF & AIS aerials,  N2K wind sensors, cabling, new A/P, and so on).

Cheers,

David
Perigee, SM#396

Re: B&G Hydra 2000, analogue MHU (wind sensors) and helm instruments for sale

Duane Siegfri
 

David,

I was looking at the DX900+, which does depth and speed as well but is electromagnetic.  I finally called Airmar and talked to them about it, and the gentleman told me it would not fit in the P17 housing I have.  Too bad, it would have been the easiest and best thing. 

I finally went with the UST850S-P17-N2, but that only does speed and temperature, so I'm also putting in an in-hull P79 for depth.

I wanted to avoid a paddle wheel if I could.

Best of luck with your project,
Duane

Wanderer, SM#477
West Palm Beach

Re: St Martin

SV Perigee
 

Hi Porter, 

Where are you?  We are in anchored the lagoon, Dutch side, awaiting our standing rigging, which we are doing with FKG.  Plus a host of other projects kicking in while the masts will be off (wind gen on mizzen, VHF & AIS aerials,  N2K wind sensors, cabling, new A/P, and so on).

Cheers,

David
Perigee, SM#396

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: St Martin

SV Perigee
 

Hi John,

Lagoonies was, in essence, undamaged.

The machine shop behind Lagoonies is up and running, as is the sail loft above.

Cheers,

David
Perigee, SM#396
Sint Maarten

Re: B&G Hydra 2000, analogue MHU (wind sensors) and helm instruments for sale

SV Perigee
 

Greetings Duane,

I used the Airmar DST800 NMEA2000 version, plastic; it was a direct drop-in replacement for existing depth-sensor (located in bilge outside the FWD head).

Downside: paddle wheel = cleaning, and exposed location.

Upside: no extra hole for speed+depth; plus temp.  Was incrementally rolling out the N2K backbone (which presently ends at the sensor).  Next: will run the backbone up the mast to terminate at the Wind Sensor, which I will do in 3 wks time, when I pull the masts to replace the standing rigging (ACMO).

Cheers,

David
Perigee, SM#396
St Maarten

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hauling boat in the SW Carribean

karkauai
 

Shelter Bay Marina across from Colon, Panama is a well-run facility that can haul an SM.

Kent
S/V Kristy

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: St Martin

Porter McRoberts
 

I’m here now and will have a look John. 
And agree with David. This place is amazing! They have everything!  

Porter. 

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Mar 21, 2018, at 1:20 PM, John Clark john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi David,
   thanks for the update.  We are headed that way....slowly taking our time though the Bahamas at the moment.  By any chance would you know the status of the machine shop behind Lagoonies?   It is called E&MSC.   I commissioned parts(end caps) for the water maker last summer and wound up sailing to Lauderdale before they were completed.  They were done in September and I paid the fellow via his US bank account.  I had planned to sail back to the islands shortly so he held them for me....then the hurricains happened and we sailed north to the Pamlico Sound instead.  

I tried calling and emailing but since Irma there has been no response.  Curious if he and my parts survived.

                Regards,  John
John Clark
SV Annie SM 37
Rock Sound Harbor Eleuthera....until tomorrow.

On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 7:24 PM, dbv_au@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Greetings all,

Many of the water-side suppliers are well up and running again.

- FKG, the rigging and stainless fabrication outfit, is running at full capacity.

- The chandleries Island Water World and Budget Marine, are fully stocked.
 
- Alternator work with Electec, all good.

- Haul-out facilities around the Simpsons Bay Lagoon, all working well - take your pick.

- Many other services - Yamaha, B&G & Raymarine agents, for example - are getting regular shipments, and  deliver with duty-free prices.

David
SV Perigee, SM#396


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Acmo

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Thanks James. I'll try her

Kind regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 21 March 2018 at 10:30 "James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Danny,


   I purchased new rigging from ACMO for my Maramu last year and had it delivered with no problems to Sardinia.  My contact at ACMO was Sylvie and her email address is: sylvie@...  .  

Best,

James

SV Sueño
Maramu #220

On Mar 20, 2018, at 4:26 PM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hi all,

I'm investigating options for re rigging. I recall that some of you bought pre cut and rigged wire to Amel SM specifications from Acmo and had it delivered to where you were. I emailed Acmo through their web site and have not had a reply. Does some one have a contact for them.

Thanks in advance.

Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl


 

 


 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Acmo

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Thanks Craig, I'll try her.

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 21 March 2018 at 10:17 "sangaris@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Danny,

I dealt with Sylvie Gazzurelli and her email was sylvie at acmo dot fr.  Very helpful and responsive.
I'd recommend the original design for your SM but switch to right-handed turnbuckles to save a lot. Why AMEL used left handed ones is a mystery.
Cheers, Craig SN68 Sangaris


---In amelyachtowners@..., <simms@...> wrote :

Hi all,

I'm investigating options for re rigging. I recall that some of you bought pre cut and rigged wire to Amel SM specifications from Acmo and had it delivered to where you were. I emailed Acmo through their web site and have not had a reply. Does some one have a contact for them.

Thanks in advance.

Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl