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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo D3-110 won't start - instruments won't even light up?

 

Scott,

Unfortunately, you will need a Volvo certified mechanic with the latest Volvo software on his laptop.

Hopefully it is not a dead Volvo computer, or two.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 12:36 PM, cpp_berkeley <no_reply@...> wrote:
 

After a nice short day sail today, we were approaching Katakolo, Greece and I started the Volvo D3-110 (rev c) on my A54 and after a few minutes at idle, engaged into forward gear and about 30 seconds later, the motor died.


I tried to start it again but neither the EVC System Tachometer nor the Alarm Display lit up. So effectively the motor is not responding at all to the ignition key. Both of the 20 amp fuses on the motor are intact.


The starting battery is showing 12.9v and the genset, which I believe uses the same battery, started fine. 


Any ideas how I can start diagnosing this? 


Scott

SV Tengah

A54 #69

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Repower questions

amelforme
 

Hello Everyone. No one asked me but that never seems to stop me...

A. Dry major consideration when repowering is to be sure and get a diesel that has an isolated negative electrical system. Also called a full floating or a full earth return electrical system, it is essential to not to change to a power plant with a conventional grounding systems. Some companies have a “kit” they supply to convert the grounding to an isolated negative, while others supply new diesels with the isolated negative system built in.
If you put a conventional grounded diesel, you will corrupt the electrical system and suffer the attendant problems this will cause.

JOEL F. POTTER
CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
Office 954-462-5869 

On Jun 1, 2018, at 2:17 PM, Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Bill,


I can answer all your questions in about two weeks time.  I am now 71 ( Judy is of course much younger) and hope to have at least ten more years afloat. You will have seen from past posts that we had an unhappy experience at the hands of the Volvo agent in Hyeres, leaving us with a large bill and an unhappy engine. We could persevere with our TMD but we want to go sailing rather than spending  time in marinas and money on mechanics so we have taken the plunge and as I write a new Volvo D2-75 is being installed in Piraeus by a guy whom I trust. He was originally trained by the Englishman who designed the TMD and when Volvo acquired the selling rights from Perkins he was sent to Sweden to show them how it worked.

 He was shocked by the work and cost carried out in Hyeres and encouraged me to complain to Volvo central from whom I hope to get some satisfaction.


The new engine is marginally smaller in size but with a 2.2 litre capacity ( 2 litre for the TMD) and 75hp at lower revs so NO SMOKE ! ( I am promised !). The exhaust is on the starboard side but the filters, to port , are more accessible. Rather than a marinised car engine ( TMD) it was built as a marine engine. Meets EU pollution regs.


 It does have a turbo, alas, but not the electronics that its bigger sister has, so you don't have to reach for a computer to fix it.  It comes with a choice of three gearboxes--I think the straight shaft exit one has been chosen.  The guy checked with Autoprop in the UK who  confirmed that it's a match. He has worked on Amels and I think he will do a good job.


 The engine comes with a standard instrument panel which is probably adequate, but as I like to have instruments showing engine temperature and 12v output I may fit the de luxe panel which has both of those plus oil pressure at an extra 300 euros or so. The total costs will be approaching 20,000 Euros.


It should do the trick. We will know in a couple of weeks time.


 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Piraeus

 


From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...> on behalf of greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: 01 June 2018 15:57:26
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Repower questions
 
A few questions for those of you who have repowered a Super Maramu—especially those who swapped out a Volvo TMD22.

What new engine did you use?
Did you use the same Hurth 250 transmission?
Are you happy with the new installation?
Where there any serious issues or complications?
Approximate cost?

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Central Chesapeake Bay, USA

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Heat Exchanger

Patrick McAneny
 

Mark, Reading your reply, I realized that I left out an important fact ,that my engine is a Volvo TMD22a . So my exchanger may be different from yours. I suspect it is, I see no where ,where a O ring would reside.All my small tubes were clear , what was partially block were two of the four larger holes in the bronze housing where antifreeze passes through.On my H/E there is two rubber boots on either end where the water enters and leaves from and they are secured with s.s.clamps. If they should leak ,and they are under pressure raw water could mix with the antifreeze.So if anyone with a TMD22a could tell me if there is Orings or silicone ,I would appreciate it.
Thanks,
Pat
SM3123


-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Fri, Jun 1, 2018 5:13 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Heat Exchanger

 
Hi Pat,
 
It sounds as though you are on the right track.
 
The ends should be sealed with a rubber o-ring. Depending on the engine type there are sometimes 2 o-rings. There should not be silicone. You should be able to look through the tubes and see nothing but air. Any obstruction is going to cause you grief especially near the ends as this is where the sea-water changes direction. If you look at the design of the HE, you will see the how the seawater changes direction two times before moving on.
 
While you are in there, also check the after-cooler, if you have a turbo charger. This can be another are where the copper tubes become blocked and foul the flow of sea-water.
 
The anti freeze is moved along the outside of the tubes by the engine’s fresh water pump. The sea water is moved by the sea-water pump impeller on the inside of the tubes. The anti-freeze is cooled as it makes contact with the other side of the copper tube.
 
Hope this helps you.
 
 
With best regards,
 
Mark
 
Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2018 1:23 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Heat Exchanger
 
 
I have had my heat exchanger off several times over the years ,and reinstalled it as the previous owner had and not questioned it ,until now. I have had an overheating issue for years and am resolved to solve it . The previous owner applied silicone on the end caps to seal them. Is this normally done? When I just removed the H/E I found that as I pushed the cap on the last time ,the silicone was pushed back and covered better than 50% of one of the four holes and about 25%of another. Which brings me to another question. Is the antifreeze forced through the holes or does it just come into contact with the tubes as it moves along with the flow,I assume the later.
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans #123


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Heat Exchanger

Mark Erdos
 

Hi Pat,

 

It sounds as though you are on the right track.

 

The ends should be sealed with a rubber o-ring. Depending on the engine type there are sometimes 2 o-rings. There should not be silicone. You should be able to look through the tubes and see nothing but air. Any obstruction is going to cause you grief especially near the ends as this is where the sea-water changes direction. If you look at the design of the HE, you will see the how the seawater changes direction two times before moving on.

 

While you are in there, also check the after-cooler, if you have a turbo charger. This can be another are where the copper tubes become blocked and foul the flow of sea-water.

 

The anti freeze is moved along the outside of the tubes by the engine’s fresh water pump. The sea water is moved by the sea-water pump impeller on the inside of the tubes. The anti-freeze is cooled as it makes contact with the other side of the copper tube.

 

Hope this helps you.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2018 1:23 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Heat Exchanger

 

 

I have had my heat exchanger off several times over the years ,and reinstalled it as the previous owner had and not questioned it ,until now. I have had an overheating issue for years and am resolved to solve it . The previous owner applied silicone on the end caps to seal them. Is this normally done? When I just removed the H/E I found that as I pushed the cap on the last time ,the silicone was pushed back and covered better than 50% of one of the four holes and about 25%of another. Which brings me to another question. Is the antifreeze forced through the holes or does it just come into contact with the tubes as it moves along with the flow,I assume the later.

Thanks,

Pat

SM Shenanigans #123


Re: Two questions

Thomas Peacock
 

We have also put some Raymarine instruments in the past 2 or 3 years. You only asked two questions, but I may drone on and give you more answers; I can only hope that at least two of them are correct.

We first replaced the original RM autohelm electronics with RM ACU-400, but left both mechanical drives in place. I used the Raymarine suggestion of hooking up the new fluxgate (also has an inertial system) and the main computer box using their proprietary SeaTalk-NG network. My understanding is that STNG uses the same communication protocols as NMEA 2000, just different connectors and cables. There is nothing to suggest that STNG needs to be grounded. I did not replace the rudder sensor that resides in the aft berth, it looked identical to the one that shipped with the new unit. Everything went fine for a year; I then updated the software, and the autohelm began to continuously turn the boat in circles. Changing the “A” and “B” power connections in the ACU-400 seemed to fix the problem (we were in blue water at the time). Later, the problem came back, I then disconnected the rudder sensor from the ACU-400, and things have been fine since then. I hope to get around to putting the new rudder sensor on, hopefully that will work, perhaps the old one was not compatible with the software update. However, the system functions quite well without the sensor.

The clutches are indeed 12V; the ACU-400 has a switch that allows you to choose. The computer can be powered by either 12V or 24 V. It also feeds 12V to the STNG.

We then installed a RM chart plotter, eS series, which works both by knobs and well as pinch-screen (like a smart phone). Very happy with it. 

Shortly before departing to the Caribbean, the original B&G instruments were fried (long story). I would have gone with RM instruments, but was concerned about the depth sensor fitting exactly into the through-hull for the old unit. Hence, I went with new B&G instruments. The B&G uses NMEA-2000; Raymarine sells an adapter so that STNG and NMEA-2000 can co-exist on one network. The NMEA-2000 is powered by the STNG, which gets its power from the ACU-400. All instruments play together very well, and display each other’s data. All power for the B&G instruments comes from the network alone.

We then added a RM AIS transceiver, using the “Marocain” labeled VHF antenna inside the mizzen mast. No problems. 

Finally, the original Furuno radar died three months ago at the age of 18 years. The new Raymarine CHIRP unit, which is all solid state, no warm-up needed, with some modifications of the original Furuno brackets, fit on the mizzen. It feeds right into the RM chart plotter, so there is no radar display down by the nav station.

Hope some of this is of use.

Tom Peacock
SM 240 Aletes
Rock Hall, MD  USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Repower questions

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Bill,

we replaced the TMD 22 with the Volvo D2 75. We retained the same Hurth (ZF)  gearbox and it was a perfect fit. The engine mounts were in exactly the same place so bolted to the Amel rail without re-drilling. We had to slightly modify the packers for height for bolting to the rail but it was no issue. We didn't touch the mounts for the c drive and when the motor was installed it just slid into the gearbox with no alignment issues at all. The exhaust is on the opposite side and my installers brought the exhaust across the engine and entered it to the existing muffler and exhaust. It would have been possible to route it up the other side of the engine by moving the muffler to the other side. That was my choice but the installers disagreed. There was no room to mount the 24 volt alternator where it was on the TMD 22 so the installer built a bracket for it on the  front of the engine. We used the same alternator. New wiring looms and instrument panel were part of the motor package. It is a push rod engine not overhead camshaft The motor is rated for max 3000 rpm and unlike the TMD that is the max under load or no load while the TMD used to rev to over 4000 no load. Another interesting rpm issue is that it will cheerfully pull 3000 rpm with the auto prop covered in barnacles. .

Cost. I will have to check that but I saved a lot by disassembling the old motor and doing as much of the install as possible myself leaving the technical and electronic to the installers. I was told by someone with a lot of experience that usually you should budget the installed cost to be double the on the floor motor cost. My cost was nothing like that so my efforts paid. The install was done by Ovlov marine in Auckland New Zealand.

Negatives. The heat exchanger is much harder to access for servicing. The waste gate on the turbo is harder to access for checking freedom of movement. The turbo began leaking oil within the warranty period and was replaced. Volvo offer an extended warranty period for a fee. Probably a good idea to take that. Remember any warranty relies on full proper and officially recorded maintenance.

We are happy with the motor after 800 hours.

I would suggest you talk to an engine re-conditioner and compare the cost a full top to bottom overhaul of the TMD. By the time we got to the replacement we had already done overhaul on all the external ancillary equipment, injectors injector pump turbo etc so the overhaul may have been a good option..

Hope this helps

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 02 June 2018 at 03:57 "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

A few questions for those of you who have repowered a Super Maramu—especially those who swapped out a Volvo TMD22.

What new engine did you use?
Did you use the same Hurth 250 transmission?
Are you happy with the new installation?
Where there any serious issues or complications?
Approximate cost?

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Central Chesapeake Bay, USA


 


 


Re: Repower questions

karkauai
 

One more thing about the Yanmar 4JH4HTE...
When talking to Yanmar in Ft Lauderdale, and New Jersey(?) I couldn’t find anyone who had a clue about a “floating” ground like Amel uses. Temp and oil pressure sensors and senders were difficult to find. If you decide on a 4JH4HTE, I can get those part numbers for you. The alternator has a ground wire that was connected to the block. It was rerouted to the battery negative and now there is no ground connection between the alternator and the block.I did post a drawing from Amel showing how the engine isolation is done.

Kent
SM243
Kristy
St Michaels MD


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gas shut off [1 Attachment]

Patrick McAneny
 

Bill , I assumed the thread would be metric,Thanks for the info. 
Pat
SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners ; Pat and Diane S/V Shenanigans
Sent: Fri, Jun 1, 2018 3:18 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gas shut off [1 Attachment]

 
[Attachment(s) from Bill Rouse included below]
Pat,

I believe  that all electro-solenoid gas installations on SMs and 54s that I have seen are 3/8" pipe thread with a Burkert 6013 series solenoid valve.

See the attached.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970





On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 12:02 PM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Bill, I have been trying to see a photo of the galley area on another SM of my vintage,no luck. I think cannot find the power source and think I will just replace the switch and solenoid with 24v . Getting the right thread size may be a problem.
Thanks,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Jun 1, 2018 12:02 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gas shut off

 
Pat,

I believe your SM was modified. Other SMs the same vintage that I have seen had a manual valve. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018, 08:01 Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
Kent, The solenoid is stamped 12v, originally I assumed it was 24v. I bought a more expensive tracer , but I can not get it to beep running the sensor all around the wires coming up into the compartment above the galley. I really wish all the wiring had been labeled. Is there a central point where 12v equipment is powered, like a buss bar somewhere. 
Thanks,
Pat SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Jun 1, 2018 8:13 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gas shut off

 
Do you have power at the breaker on the 24v panel?  On Kristy the solenoid is 24v.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On May 31, 2018, at 8:18 AM, sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
I am not getting any power to my propane switch. I bought a wire tracer and cannot trace the wire. The solenoid is 12v . Does anyone know where the 12v power source would originate? I could not find a 12v buss bar ... The solenoid works , I jumped it across the starter battery , with a meter I cannot find any voltage at the switch. It could be as simple as a blown fuse.
Thanks,
Pat SM#123


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Repower questions

karkauai
 

Hi Bill, I repowered 4 1/2 years ago replaced Volvo TMD22 78 HP with Yanmar 4JH4HTE 110HP (the 4JH3 100HP was replaced by the 4JH4).  The new engine dropped right in, required new mounting holes in the angle-iron engine bed,  and needed risers between the angle iron and the engine to fit well.  The forward risers were ~2” high and the aft ones ~4”.  The vertical side of the inboard angle iron had to be cut to fit around the oil filter.
I still have the original transmission.  Amel apparently beefed up the drive train sometime before SM243, they said that I could use the same transmission and that the  C drive is beefy enough for the 110.

The raw water pump and starter are on the outboard side and difficult but not impossible to get to.  I’m considering a separate raw water pump in the intake line so that the impeller can be changed quickly if necessary.

I am using the same MaxProp I had with the old Volvo, repitched for the Yanmar.  I cruise at 6 kts at 2200rpm.  Plenty of power to spare!  I haven’t run it long enough to have an accurate idea of efficiency, but it seems I burn just a little more with the Yanmar.

Sound and vibration are less with the new engine, presumably because the old engine mounts were on their last legs.  Yamaha said you need to use Yamaha engine mounts or the warranty is void.  I installed the new mounts one at a time using the old mounts and angle iron frame to get them mounted in the right place.  It was a good fit and not difficult.

I love Yanni Yamaha Sr, wouldn’t go back to Victor Volvo for any amount of money.  For what it’s worth, I traded in Harry Honda 4-stroke outboard for Yanni Yamaha Jr 2-stroke at about the same time and love how he cranks first pull every time for 4+ years now.

Hope that helps, ask if you need to know something else.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
SM 243
karkauai at yahoo.com
USA 8282346819

On Jun 1, 2018, at 11:57 AM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

A few questions for those of you who have repowered a Super Maramu—especially those who swapped out a Volvo TMD22.

What new engine did you use?
Did you use the same Hurth 250 transmission?
Are you happy with the new installation?
Where there any serious issues or complications?
Approximate cost?

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Central Chesapeake Bay, USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Two questions

 

Ryan,

Let me give you the short answer:
The AC "Earth" is not part of the Amel Bonding system. The two systems were designed to stand alone. However, when Amel chose the Calpeda 220VAC Saltwater pump for Climma AC, an unintended connection between the two was created because AC Current safety necessitates that the steel pump case to be connected to Earth and electrolysis necessitates that the steel saltwater pump be connected to Bonding. Since the pump and motor are steel and connected to one another, there is a crossover between the two systems.

This situation is a good reason to install a March Mag-Drive Pump rather that a pump like the Capelda 220VAC pump. Coose that March pump wisely because of the normal unpainted steel on most of their pumps. If you buy one of these do something to mitigate rust/oxidation.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970





On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 12:29 PM, Ryan Meador ryan.d.meador@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Bill,

Your post makes me wonder if I am misinformed.  I thought the AC ground (not the neutral) from the shore power cable was connected to the bonding system (possibly via a galvanic isolator, if your boat is so equipped).  Is that not the case?

Thanks,
Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA



On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 12:41 PM, Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Alan,

Good points.

All,

This "ground issue" gets very confusing to most people. Let me add to the confusion, or maybe add some humor...you be the judge:
  • The Amel Bonding System is NOT a GROUND.
  • Amel did not connect any electronic ground posts to the Amel Bonding system.
  • Further confusing the issue, Pouchon (Amel's electronics subcontractor) on some Amels connected a yellow/green wire to the ground terminal on some instruments, but terminated the other end without connection to anything. I have known some owners and some "expert" technicians to connect this yellow/green wire to the Amel Bonding System.
  • Raymarine has no idea what an Amel Bonding System is and really never defines "Ground" in any manual I have.
  • As someone who at a very young age (vacuum tube) built electronic radios, stereos, etc., I would connect the cases ("ground") of components together to reduce RFI.
  • I have no idea what Raymarine wishes to accomplish, but I assume that since they have to write manuals that are universal, they don't want a customer service issue for RFI. I have seen some RFI Floating Platforms disguised as cruising boats and when anchored nearby have been affected by the RFI they broadcast.. I assume Raymarine develops an installation manual that reduces customer service issues from even these RFI floating platforms.
I hope the above helps more than it hurts...if not, maybe it was entertaining.


On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 11:13 AM, osterberg.paul.l@gmail..com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:
 

Herbert and Alan

Thank you, I will start by not connecting the shield then if I run into problem I know where to start digging
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gas shut off

 

Pat,

I believe  that all electro-solenoid gas installations on SMs and 54s that I have seen are 3/8" pipe thread with a Burkert 6013 series solenoid valve.

See the attached.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970





On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 12:02 PM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill, I have been trying to see a photo of the galley area on another SM of my vintage,no luck. I think cannot find the power source and think I will just replace the switch and solenoid with 24v . Getting the right thread size may be a problem.

Thanks,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Jun 1, 2018 12:02 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gas shut off

 
Pat,

I believe your SM was modified. Other SMs the same vintage that I have seen had a manual valve. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018, 08:01 Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
Kent, The solenoid is stamped 12v, originally I assumed it was 24v. I bought a more expensive tracer , but I can not get it to beep running the sensor all around the wires coming up into the compartment above the galley. I really wish all the wiring had been labeled. Is there a central point where 12v equipment is powered, like a buss bar somewhere. 
Thanks,
Pat SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Jun 1, 2018 8:13 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gas shut off

 
Do you have power at the breaker on the 24v panel?  On Kristy the solenoid is 24v.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On May 31, 2018, at 8:18 AM, sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
I am not getting any power to my propane switch. I bought a wire tracer and cannot trace the wire. The solenoid is 12v . Does anyone know where the 12v power source would originate? I could not find a 12v buss bar .. The solenoid works , I jumped it across the starter battery , with a meter I cannot find any voltage at the switch. It could be as simple as a blown fuse.
Thanks,
Pat SM#123



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Repower questions

greatketch@...
 

Ian,  

Thanks for that!  Hope the install goes smoothly and come in below budget!

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Solomon’s Is, MD, USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 54007: Gear Box Part Number

kurt.wetzel@...
 

Thank you very much Bill.
@SAV has nothing in stock at the moment.
As informed by Amel La Rochelle there is a delay in production.
That being the reason I posted this message on the forum.
Regards
Kurt
Hemera
AML54007E506


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Repower questions

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Bill,


I can answer all your questions in about two weeks time.  I am now 71 ( Judy is of course much younger) and hope to have at least ten more years afloat. You will have seen from past posts that we had an unhappy experience at the hands of the Volvo agent in Hyeres, leaving us with a large bill and an unhappy engine. We could persevere with our TMD but we want to go sailing rather than spending  time in marinas and money on mechanics so we have taken the plunge and as I write a new Volvo D2-75 is being installed in Piraeus by a guy whom I trust. He was originally trained by the Englishman who designed the TMD and when Volvo acquired the selling rights from Perkins he was sent to Sweden to show them how it worked.

 He was shocked by the work and cost carried out in Hyeres and encouraged me to complain to Volvo central from whom I hope to get some satisfaction.


The new engine is marginally smaller in size but with a 2.2 litre capacity ( 2 litre for the TMD) and 75hp at lower revs so NO SMOKE ! ( I am promised !). The exhaust is on the starboard side but the filters, to port , are more accessible. Rather than a marinised car engine ( TMD) it was built as a marine engine. Meets EU pollution regs.


 It does have a turbo, alas, but not the electronics that its bigger sister has, so you don't have to reach for a computer to fix it.  It comes with a choice of three gearboxes--I think the straight shaft exit one has been chosen.  The guy checked with Autoprop in the UK who  confirmed that it's a match. He has worked on Amels and I think he will do a good job.


 The engine comes with a standard instrument panel which is probably adequate, but as I like to have instruments showing engine temperature and 12v output I may fit the de luxe panel which has both of those plus oil pressure at an extra 300 euros or so. The total costs will be approaching 20,000 Euros.


It should do the trick. We will know in a couple of weeks time.


 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Piraeus

 


From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 01 June 2018 15:57:26
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Repower questions
 
A few questions for those of you who have repowered a Super Maramu—especially those who swapped out a Volvo TMD22.

What new engine did you use?
Did you use the same Hurth 250 transmission?
Are you happy with the new installation?
Where there any serious issues or complications?
Approximate cost?

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Central Chesapeake Bay, USA

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Volvo D3-110 won't start - instruments won't even light up?

cpp_berkeley <no_reply@...>
 

After a nice short day sail today, we were approaching Katakolo, Greece and I started the Volvo D3-110 (rev c) on my A54 and after a few minutes at idle, engaged into forward gear and about 30 seconds later, the motor died.


I tried to start it again but neither the EVC System Tachometer nor the Alarm Display lit up. So effectively the motor is not responding at all to the ignition key. Both of the 20 amp fuses on the motor are intact.


The starting battery is showing 12.9v and the genset, which I believe uses the same battery, started fine. 


Any ideas how I can start diagnosing this? 


Scott

SV Tengah

A54 #69


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Two questions

Ryan Meador
 

Hi Bill,

Your post makes me wonder if I am misinformed.  I thought the AC ground (not the neutral) from the shore power cable was connected to the bonding system (possibly via a galvanic isolator, if your boat is so equipped).  Is that not the case?

Thanks,
Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA



On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 12:41 PM, Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Alan,

Good points.

All,

This "ground issue" gets very confusing to most people. Let me add to the confusion, or maybe add some humor...you be the judge:
  • The Amel Bonding System is NOT a GROUND.
  • Amel did not connect any electronic ground posts to the Amel Bonding system.
  • Further confusing the issue, Pouchon (Amel's electronics subcontractor) on some Amels connected a yellow/green wire to the ground terminal on some instruments, but terminated the other end without connection to anything. I have known some owners and some "expert" technicians to connect this yellow/green wire to the Amel Bonding System.
  • Raymarine has no idea what an Amel Bonding System is and really never defines "Ground" in any manual I have.
  • As someone who at a very young age (vacuum tube) built electronic radios, stereos, etc., I would connect the cases ("ground") of components together to reduce RFI.
  • I have no idea what Raymarine wishes to accomplish, but I assume that since they have to write manuals that are universal, they don't want a customer service issue for RFI. I have seen some RFI Floating Platforms disguised as cruising boats and when anchored nearby have been affected by the RFI they broadcast. I assume Raymarine develops an installation manual that reduces customer service issues from even these RFI floating platforms.
I hope the above helps more than it hurts...if not, maybe it was entertaining.


On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 11:13 AM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Herbert and Alan

Thank you, I will start by not connecting the shield then if I run into problem I know where to start digging
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259




Heat Exchanger

Patrick McAneny
 

I have had my heat exchanger off several times over the years ,and reinstalled it as the previous owner had and not questioned it ,until now. I have had an overheating issue for years and am resolved to solve it . The previous owner applied silicone on the end caps to seal them. Is this normally done? When I just removed the H/E I found that as I pushed the cap on the last time ,the silicone was pushed back and covered better than 50% of one of the four holes and about 25%of another. Which brings me to another question. Is the antifreeze forced through the holes or does it just come into contact with the tubes as it moves along with the flow,I assume the later.

Thanks,

Pat

SM Shenanigans #123


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gas shut off [1 Attachment]

Patrick McAneny
 

Mark, As Bill just suggested ,this may have been installed by the previous owner. There is no 12 or 24 breaker that I can find, just going to redo it in 24v.,moving on to other problems.
Thanks,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: mfmcgovern@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners Sent: Fri, Jun 1, 2018 12:13 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gas shut off [1 Attachment]

 
[Attachment(s) from mfmcgovern@... [amelyachtowners] included below]
Pat,

For what it's worth, I was poking around my propane locker last weekend and took some pics of the gas shutoff solenoid.  I have attached a picture of the Burkert part number 125301 solenoid label below.  The solenoid on my SM (Hull #440) is definitely a 24 Volt solenoid and is powered from the main 24V breaker panel.  It would seem very odd to me that Amel would have ever used a 12V solenoid for the gas shut off solenoid at any point in the building of SMs as I think they were built as 24V boats from the very beginning.  Someone with more knowledge/experience can correct me if I am wrong in that.

Regardless of whether it is 12v or 24V solenoid, Amel would have been required to put in some kind of switch in the galley in proximity to the stove to control the gas shutoff solenoid.  Does your main 24V panel have a breaker for the gas solenoid?  If so, that is where it gets it's power from and it would appear that someone replaced the 24V solenoid with a 12V solenoid.  That would obviously be bad as it would likely draw significantly more current than a 24V solenoid would assuming a similar coil resistance.

Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gas shut off

Patrick McAneny
 

Bill, I have been trying to see a photo of the galley area on another SM of my vintage,no luck. I think cannot find the power source and think I will just replace the switch and solenoid with 24v . Getting the right thread size may be a problem.
Thanks,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Fri, Jun 1, 2018 12:02 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gas shut off

 
Pat,

I believe your SM was modified. Other SMs the same vintage that I have seen had a manual valve. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018, 08:01 Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Kent, The solenoid is stamped 12v, originally I assumed it was 24v. I bought a more expensive tracer , but I can not get it to beep running the sensor all around the wires coming up into the compartment above the galley. I really wish all the wiring had been labeled. Is there a central point where 12v equipment is powered, like a buss bar somewhere. 
Thanks,
Pat SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Fri, Jun 1, 2018 8:13 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gas shut off

 
Do you have power at the breaker on the 24v panel?  On Kristy the solenoid is 24v.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On May 31, 2018, at 8:18 AM, sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
I am not getting any power to my propane switch. I bought a wire tracer and cannot trace the wire. The solenoid is 12v . Does anyone know where the 12v power source would originate? I could not find a 12v buss bar .. The solenoid works , I jumped it across the starter battery , with a meter I cannot find any voltage at the switch. It could be as simple as a blown fuse.
Thanks,
Pat SM#123


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Two questions

 

Alan,

Good points.

All,

This "ground issue" gets very confusing to most people. Let me add to the confusion, or maybe add some humor...you be the judge:
  • The Amel Bonding System is NOT a GROUND.
  • Amel did not connect any electronic ground posts to the Amel Bonding system.
  • Further confusing the issue, Pouchon (Amel's electronics subcontractor) on some Amels connected a yellow/green wire to the ground terminal on some instruments, but terminated the other end without connection to anything. I have known some owners and some "expert" technicians to connect this yellow/green wire to the Amel Bonding System.
  • Raymarine has no idea what an Amel Bonding System is and really never defines "Ground" in any manual I have.
  • As someone who at a very young age (vacuum tube) built electronic radios, stereos, etc., I would connect the cases ("ground") of components together to reduce RFI.
  • I have no idea what Raymarine wishes to accomplish, but I assume that since they have to write manuals that are universal, they don't want a customer service issue for RFI. I have seen some RFI Floating Platforms disguised as cruising boats and when anchored nearby have been affected by the RFI they broadcast. I assume Raymarine develops an installation manual that reduces customer service issues from even these RFI floating platforms.
I hope the above helps more than it hurts...if not, maybe it was entertaining.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970





On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 11:13 AM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Herbert and Alan

Thank you, I will start by not connecting the shield then if I run into problem I know where to start digging
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259