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A54 Refrigeration Water Pump - Brushless Motor Update

Jamie Wendell
 

I just wanted to let the Amel group know that I have been successful in installing a fully operational brushless motor to power my A54 refrigeration system. I understand there were previous discussions on this subject that went on and on without any final resolution or workable solution - more or less shrouded in mystery and frustration - so I will not dwell on any of the issues raised and discussed in those threads. Suffice to say that I was having enormous problems with the standard Flowjet pumps used in the system and was determined to adapt a brushless motor to the original pump body - ditching the regular motor provided.

Simply put, I would be happy to share my solution with anyone interested, either in this group or by private off-line email. I can provide a list of parts needed, etc.

I will, however, offer the caveat that installing a brushless DC motor for the refrigeration system is not for the faint of heart, and it is a bit expensive (although part of my expense was essentially research and development if you will). But compared to the countless Frigoboat pumps I have chewed through over the years and lost food in the freezer, it was worth it to me. I have a display that shows runtime and the number of pump starts, and I can adjust the speed of the pump at any time. So far it has performed flawlessly.

Unfortunately, I did have to replace the original Frigoboat Pump Interface. The one I had was giving me erratic pump output voltages, the plastic case was falling apart, and corrosion was getting into the circuit board. I used the relay approach that Coastal Climate Controls recommended.

Again, if anyone would like to hear what I did and perhaps attempt a similar installation, I will be more than happy to help,
Thanks,
Jamie
Phantom, A54 #44


Re: Forward cabin leak

Miles
 

I had this problem.  the leak was from the side trim forward of the windows.  I fixed it temporarily with sealant around the trim.  A proper fix will require removing the large wooden trim forward of the windows and tightening and sealing the trough bolts.  
Regards,
Miles Ladybug, sm216


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John Babot
 

Sounds reasonable to me.

Thanks,

John


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Nick Fowle SM 404 Rascal <svrascal@...>
 

100% agree …. The forum should be used to voice both good and bad experiences with vendors, preferred or otherwise 

SV Rascal
Sm 404
En route Rodney Bay

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On Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 08:46, Paul Harries via groups.io <Pharries@...> wrote:
As a potential buyer I study this forum with great care. There are two sides to this.
I fully agree with Bill's approach of preventing someone from using the forum to grind an ax.
On the other hand poor workmanship, incompetence and dishonesty amongst vendors cannot be tolerated. Striking the balance is very hard.
I understand the arguments from both a buyer and vendor perspective. 
One option would be to open a subforum on vendors, each vendor entered as a topic. If all users posted their experiences both positive and negative then decency should prevail. The key is to prevent one angry voice from being the sole reference for a vendor.


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Paul Harries
Prospective Amel Buyer



Re: Where can I buy a New lock for the freezer A54?

Arno Luijten
 

You can order them from Maud at Amel, I did exactly that a few months ago.

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: Air Conditioning issues

Peter de Groot
 

John,

The photo sent by Bill (of the charred pump motor windings) looks like the one I sent him from SM#207.  I also experienced intermittent problems prior to the complete failure of the pump.  My episode confused me because the pump would work when powered by the generator but not from the North American shore power. ( In hindsight it makes complete sense)  What I learned from my episode is that I could have saved a lot of time and frustration by checking to resistance of the motor winding leads to ground.

 

Good Luck

 

Peter de Groot

La Querida SM#207

 


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Paul Harries
 

As a potential buyer I study this forum with great care. There are two sides to this.
I fully agree with Bill's approach of preventing someone from using the forum to grind an ax.
On the other hand poor workmanship, incompetence and dishonesty amongst vendors cannot be tolerated. Striking the balance is very hard.
I understand the arguments from both a buyer and vendor perspective. 
One option would be to open a subforum on vendors, each vendor entered as a topic. If all users posted their experiences both positive and negative then decency should prevail. The key is to prevent one angry voice from being the sole reference for a vendor.


--
Paul Harries
Prospective Amel Buyer


Re: Forward cabin leak

Thomas Peacock
 

Hi John,

We had a similar problem. It turned out to be some loosening of the forward-most screw holding the metal strip above the glass (outside). I’m not on the boat and don’t know for sure if that is forward from your leak is.

Tom Peacock
SM 240 Aletes
Chesapeake Bay

On Jul 3, 2021, at 11:23 PM, John Facci <john@...> wrote:

I have slight moisture ingress into the top of the port cupboards in the forward cabin.
I don't think its the windows as the leak is forward (and uphill) of them. moisture is evident from open cupboard holding the circuit breakers  to the open shelf between the two sets of cupboards.
Has anyone had this issue before?

Regards
John SM 332


--
Tom Peacock
SM 240 Aletes
Chesapeake Bay


Re: Where can I buy a New lock for the freezer A54?

Vladan SV PAME
 

Hi Carina,

Try this company. https://froid-regis.fr/index1200-eng.html

Web page is a bit chaotic so good luck with search. I found there fridge lock.

Best Regards,

--
Vladan

A54 #157
SV PAME


Where can I buy a New lock for the freezer A54?

CARINA HAMMARLUND
 

Does anyone know where I can buy a new lock for  the freezer in our Amel 54
--
Carina
SV Ultimo
Amel 54 No 165


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Orion Martin
 

Hi guys,

I remember a while back when Ken had an issue with a contractor I believe somewhere in the Caribbean and he proceeded to mention it here to the forum. At the time I didn’t think anything other than it was good to know for future reference. However, I think Bill said politely that members should refrain from commentary on services rendered that could have an negative impact on the community you’re cruising in. I agreed with that, there would be numerous locations around the world where economic circumstances are hard and people need all the business they can get. This is a bit of a conundrum, how do you not negatively impact that community (for example a local marine mechanic unable to afford things for his family because his work has been disparaged by cruisers who are likely doing ok themselves financially)? As I’m yet to buy an Amel (hopefully shortly), I try to approach it from how I’d feel should I be faced with similar circumstances. I suppose discretion is the order of the day, if I’m not blatantly ripped off or I am less than impressed with work done on my future boat yet we will get by, l’d probably avoid ever going there again or finding a better alternative the next time around. Should I tell other people? All things considered, if it was an extreme case I’d most likely inform other Amel members. If it’s one of those unfortunate incidents where the poor mechanic wasn’t up to date with his level of skill required for the job or I could see he was trying his best but still mangled the job then you’d have to give him a pass. The point being I didn’t believe it’s necessary to point out all the faults in people across the world on this site, but I do think it’s appropriate to call out blatant behaviour that is both unprofessional and potentially dangerous. If someone tried to pull a fast one on me or they were lax in carrying out their duties (an example being the rigger Delos hired in Malaysia (?) to look over their rigging but did a very average inspection) then I’d probably call that out because that is potentially life threatening. Again, discretion is advised. But since I don’t yet have an Amel, maybe my tune will change when I’m out on the highs seas spending big dollars to maintain her. But I’ll always keep in the back of my mind that wherever I go, I will be very grateful that community has allowed me to sail into their world for an experience that is priceless. I will owe them that gratitude, which will hopefully temper any grievances I encounter with a local.


On 4 Jul 2021, at 8:24 pm, Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond via groups.io <southernadventurer@...> wrote:

 I also agree with Ken,

Feedback is important both positive and where a company/contractor may learn. It’s ok to put this feedback out on personal blogs, YouTube etc but not ok to provide the information on the Amel forum.  I’m sure that Amel owners coming to Turkey would appreciate how I have been treated by several so called reliable/recommended Amel group contractors here in Turkey costing months of time, expense and total unprofessional. This information I see is vital to our forum members. Those recommended companies that know that only positive comments can be made about them in the forum does not assist in Amel owners knowing the true picture and keep those companies honest to provide our group with the best service that we should expect.

As COVID bites around the world and economies are hurting, people that may have been reliable in the past may not be so reliable now. I believe that most of the time it is not mistakes that have been made by Amel owners, it is mistakes being made by so called professionals working on our yachts. 

Maybe as a member we can advise Amel group members to contact us personally through the forum if they wish to be advised of certain unsatisfactory performance and what to be aware of. 

Otherwise we will be forced to find other methods to publish this information because it is important that we share this information amounts to our members. Buyer beware.

I can’t help that not being able to provide open feedback benefits a few, but not many.

Regards
Ross Hickey
SV Intrepid Kiwi
SM2K #356
Cruising Cyprus


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On Sunday, July 4, 2021, 12:38 pm, Davi Rozgonyi <davi.rozgonyi@...> wrote:


Let me preface by saying, of course, massive thanks to Bill for the incredible work that he does to run this forum and promote Amel in general. 

I gotta say I agree with Ken. One of the (if not THE) best thing about a group like this is to exchange information. So we learn from others' mistakes rather than make them ourselves first, if possible. As long as critiques and reports of poor service are kept in a "gentlemanly" manner, a fair accounting of the negative experience, I would like to read it to avoid the problem if I can, rather than experiencing the problem for myself. Or at least go into the situation with caution. I fail to see how this conflicts with us Amel owners helping each other, nor how it is not simply putting the owners interests first (as an owners' group should do). 


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Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond
 

I also agree with Ken,

Feedback is important both positive and where a company/contractor may learn. It’s ok to put this feedback out on personal blogs, YouTube etc but not ok to provide the information on the Amel forum.  I’m sure that Amel owners coming to Turkey would appreciate how I have been treated by several so called reliable/recommended Amel group contractors here in Turkey costing months of time, expense and total unprofessional. This information I see is vital to our forum members. Those recommended companies that know that only positive comments can be made about them in the forum does not assist in Amel owners knowing the true picture and keep those companies honest to provide our group with the best service that we should expect.

As COVID bites around the world and economies are hurting, people that may have been reliable in the past may not be so reliable now. I believe that most of the time it is not mistakes that have been made by Amel owners, it is mistakes being made by so called professionals working on our yachts. 

Maybe as a member we can advise Amel group members to contact us personally through the forum if they wish to be advised of certain unsatisfactory performance and what to be aware of. 

Otherwise we will be forced to find other methods to publish this information because it is important that we share this information amounts to our members. Buyer beware.

I can’t help that not being able to provide open feedback benefits a few, but not many.

Regards
Ross Hickey
SV Intrepid Kiwi
SM2K #356

On Sunday, July 4, 2021, 12:38 pm, Davi Rozgonyi <davi.rozgonyi@...> wrote:


Let me preface by saying, of course, massive thanks to Bill for the incredible work that he does to run this forum and promote Amel in general. 

I gotta say I agree with Ken. One of the (if not THE) best thing about a group like this is to exchange information. So we learn from others' mistakes rather than make them ourselves first, if possible. As long as critiques and reports of poor service are kept in a "gentlemanly" manner, a fair accounting of the negative experience, I would like to read it to avoid the problem if I can, rather than experiencing the problem for myself. Or at least go into the situation with caution. I fail to see how this conflicts with us Amel owners helping each other, nor how it is not simply putting the owners interests first (as an owners' group should do). 


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Davi Rozgonyi
 


Let me preface by saying, of course, massive thanks to Bill for the incredible work that he does to run this forum and promote Amel in general. 

I gotta say I agree with Ken. One of the (if not THE) best thing about a group like this is to exchange information. So we learn from others' mistakes rather than make them ourselves first, if possible. As long as critiques and reports of poor service are kept in a "gentlemanly" manner, a fair accounting of the negative experience, I would like to read it to avoid the problem if I can, rather than experiencing the problem for myself. Or at least go into the situation with caution. I fail to see how this conflicts with us Amel owners helping each other, nor how it is not simply putting the owners interests first (as an owners' group should do). 


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Ralf Schroeder
 

Hi Bill,
you do a great job in this wonderfully and 
helpfully board.

And yes, I‘m completly with your post.

Best wishes
Ralf
Sharki Baghira #42



Am 03.07.2021 um 20:59 schrieb CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>:


All,

I am really proud to be a member of this group and very happy to be associated with each of you. Today marks my 16th year with the Amel Yacht Owners Group. There are plenty of members who will soon mark their 20th anniversary with our group. I believe that I speak for the vast majority in saying that the Amel Yacht Owners Group has made owning an Amel much more rewarding. I think it is extremely difficult to find a social media group without disruptive members and without drama caused by personal affronts. Thank all of you for making this what it is.  

Today I need to speak to you about the following, which is on our homepage. "Please refrain from criticism of persons or businesses in which you may have experienced unsatisfactory results, because it would be one-sided, without the ability of the other side to respond." Although I do not like to remind members, today I found myself in the unfortunate position of having to remind one member of the above. 

At 74-years old, I have certainly been around long enough to understand the frustration caused when my expectations are not met. As in most disagreements, the dispute between this member and the vendor has plenty of mitigating factors and not much is cut and dry. I am very saddened that this happened and wish that our fellow member was never disappointed because his expectations were not met. However, for as long as I own it, our group will not be the place to post these issues.

I am very thankful that many of you have given a lot to this group without asking anything in return. I trust that every member will continue to respect each other and our limited suggestions for posting.

Bill

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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Re: Forward cabin leak

Alan Leslie
 

I think it comes from the hole for the security rope for the forward locker...your locker seals are not sealing.....
Ask me how I know this!
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Forward cabin leak

Ralf Schroeder
 

Hello John,
 I had a problem on my Sharki, that sounds like yours.
 It was a tube for the cable from the windlass and navigation lights to the electronic board on the portside.
This tube wasn‘t completely closed with silicone.  And so, drops of rain or waves came into the same cupboard.

Best wishes
Ralf
Sharki Baghira #42

Am 04.07.2021 um 05:23 schrieb John Facci <john@...>:

I have slight moisture ingress into the top of the port cupboards in the forward cabin.
I don't think its the windows as the leak is forward (and uphill) of them. moisture is evident from open cupboard holding the circuit breakers  to the open shelf between the two sets of cupboards.
Has anyone had this issue before?

Regards
John SM 332
AUGUST KUHFUSS Nachf. Ohlendorf GmbH, Münchenstrasse 9, 38118 Braunschweig - Eingetragen beim Amtsgericht Braunschweig, HRB 2502 - Geschäftsführer: Rolf- G. Ohlendorf und Martin Ohlendorf - Sitz der Gesellschaft: Braunschweig Gerichtsstand ist Braunschweig. Es gelten grundsätzlich nur unsere Allgemeinen Ein- und Verkaufsbedingungen. Diese Information ist für den Gebrauch durch die Person oder die Firma/Organisation bestimmt, die in der Empfängeradresse benannt ist und unterliegt u. U. dem Betriebsgeheimnis, dem Schutz von Arbeitsergebnissen oder anderweitigem rechtlichen Schutz. Wenn Sie nicht der angegebene Empfänger sind, nehmen Sie bitte zur Kenntnis, dass Weitergabe, Kopieren, Verteilung oder Nutzung des Inhalts dieser E-Mail-Übertragung unzulässig ist. Falls Sie diese E-Mail irrtümlich erhalten haben, benachrichtigen Sie bitte den Absender unverzüglich telefonisch oder durch eine E-Mail und löschen Sie diese Information aus Ihrem EDV-System.

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Re: Anti fouling. Copper Coat versus Silicone

VICTOR MOLERO
 

Good advice, as always, Bill.
Thanks.
Victor


Forward cabin leak

John Facci
 

I have slight moisture ingress into the top of the port cupboards in the forward cabin.
I don't think its the windows as the leak is forward (and uphill) of them. moisture is evident from open cupboard holding the circuit breakers  to the open shelf between the two sets of cupboards.
Has anyone had this issue before?

Regards
John SM 332


Re: Air Conditioning issues

 

John,

It could be so many things. 

Let's try the most common cause of a short or ground fault.

Is there any sign of saltwater leaks around the Saltwater pump?
That may look like this inside the green circle, or possibly somewhere nearby because the slinger washer will throw salt water up to 50cm:
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If there are signs of leak or rust, it may be possible that saltwater has entered the pump because the mechanical seal on the pump needs replacing. You might try using an ohmmeter to see if there is any continuity between the metal case and the load (brown) wire to the pump. Obviously with the breaker OFF.

This is what can happen, shorting out everything:
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Good luck, like I said, it could be many different things.

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Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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On Sat, Jul 3, 2021 at 11:31 AM John Clanton <clanton@...> wrote:
I must confess that I feel embarrassed to ask for help a second time in less than 8 hours, but there is no better place to go for direction.

I have been on shore power for the last few weeks as I have been completing deferred maintenance on the boat and dinghy.  I have had the air conditioning on because it makes me a more pleasant fellow when it gets hot or sticky outside.  Today, for the first time, I arrived back at the boat and it was more humid inside than outside.  Sometimes I have needed to turn off the entire Air Conditioning system, let it think its thoughts for a moment, then turn it back on and all is well.  Today, after leaving it off, and restarting, it did not come back to life.  

After a bit of investigation, it seems that there is no power getting to the big brain, the seawater pump or the compressor.  There is power to the three A/C units in the fore, aft, and mid cabin areas, and the fans and thermostats are working as usual.  The breaker for the Climma system seems to be tripped and will not reset.  It is as if the breaker itself is broken as it can be pushed back into position, but it doesn't stay, and there is no connection made in the brief period that it is pushed back into the normal position.  There are not lights or indicators on the display above the compressor.  It clearly isn't getting power.

I tried switching off shore power and starting the genset, but had the same results.  I tried turning off all AC power and restoring, but had the same results.

I have shoreside guests arriving on Wednesday, and am worried about getting the A/C system back on line before they get here.  Any thoughts, experiences, or suggestions would be appreciated.


Thank you,

John W. Clanton
S/V Devereux, A55, No. 65
sweating it out in Antibes, France


Re: fuel additives & tank cleaning

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

I had my fuel polished by a dock side filter operator. He circulated all the fuel though his truck mounted filters. He used three grades of filter, course, moderate and fine progressively removing sludge. I could not believe how much filth was in the fuel. Buckets of it. Recommend the system.

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 04 July 2021 at 00:39 John Clanton <clanton@...> wrote:

Thanks all for responses! Here is my plan and a couple of take aways from the responses. I would appreciate any contrary opinions or additional suggestions.

A special thanks to Billy for providing photos and location of the inspection hatch for the 55 fuel tank, this takes half the worry out of it for me.

Tomorrow I plan to open the inspection hatch and see what I can see. I would be surprised if it is clean based on what I have seen in the Racors the last two years. So I am wagering that I will need a professional tank cleaner.

There is a local vendor who will suck out all the fuel, clean the tank completely, polish the fuel while out of the tank, then put it back in. So I will use him unless my inspection suggests it is not needed.

Once clean, I will change out the Racor so I have a baseline for subsequent filter changes. Then, plan to use the Grotomar additive religiously. It has several quality endorsements from sailors, and based on the fact it is very difficult to find, it must be good.

In my unofficial research, the StarBrite treatment received a good number of positive mentions, and importantly, I see it often in the Med chandleries.

Once all clean and full, I plan on a three year visual tank inspection interval.

I will provide an update when the work is done.

Again, thanks to the group for all responses and suggestions.


John W. Clanton
S/V Devereux, A55, No.65
Antibes, France


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